Evoking dead drug dealers

[Copuldaemon]

No I haven't done it but pondered the idea for it could be very informative. Any thoughts??

[fr.novumorganum]

what would one hope to gain from this? Then again, if you can find one who has a good cid connection send his ghost this way

[m1thr0s]

this is a tad morbid for my taste. I also wouldn't trust any information I got from a dead drug dealer. How would you know it wasn't some pesky demon taking advantage of an easy portal?

m1thr0s

[hitman777]

what would one hope to gain from this? Then again, if you can find one who has a good cid connection send his ghost this way
I tend to agree, what do you want out of evoking dead drug dealers? It seems to me that there is probably some unresolved issue between you and some dead drug dealer. Do you need to find something out from him? I guess I don't see the point, as a dead drug dealer, other than information, wouldn't really be good for much, except maybe to power a servitor that you are creating for money or to help you with either getting or moving drugs of a type the dead dude had traffic with.
If you're just trying to learn about the drug trade in your area and how to get into it, your best bet would probably just be to befriend some seniors in your local highschool once you have gotten hold of enough of whatever you're selling to start out with, and then find out from them who you could make some money off of. Make sure that the little bastards are terrified of you, act nice the first few times you meet them, then at some point scare the shit out of them. While you can't trust them to move your shit for you, at least you have raised the chances that they will stay quiet. Then, you just start selling your shit to highschool kids, who will always keep coming back and introducing you to new customers. Of course, try and limit the amount of people who know where you live, and if you can, have your initial high school gophers start spreading a fake name in relation to you. Also, become a big bullshitter, so that if any of the little punks ever get caught, and tell their stories, they won't make any sense when looked at together, and the cops will think that they are more than likely just making things up to try and stay out of trouble.

[Aodh]

I think this discussion topic was a bit too close-ended to be very worthwhile. The larger question here is, "Can I evoke any 'dead' person for reliable information (pertaining to the world we are materialized in)?”

Personally, my opinion on that is that it depends totally on your skill set and experiences. I've done quite a few workings of causal interference the past few years and fewer and fewer information gathering operations, for me, evoking any spirit right now would probably be quite worthless as far as gaining intelligence from them goes. In the past however, I have done such things with moderate success (and for certain operations, other parties can vouch I at least gained interesting information*).

In any situation where you are looking for a specific result, you can always tweak your plan of attack to get better results based on your personal strengths and weakness-- magic is a field just like any other, you have to play strategically to reach your goals. If you have more "oomph" with workings that cause results or changes in the physical state of things, then figure out a way to make the information materialize in a roundabout series of events. If you have highly developed astral senses but very little Will to shove onto the physical state of things, then a standard evocation and questioning of appropriate spirits would be more productive. There are various other strategies of course, but I don't like to ramble endlessly, especially about things one should be able to figure out on their own.

Any response?

[m1thr0s]

the only problem with pushing this topic to a higher ground is that it becomes an altogether different topic. Ancestor worship, just to begin, comprises a huge chunk of religious affiliation the world over. Indeed, there may not be a major religion of any kind in this world that is not in some way based upon the idea of being able to communicate with some dead person.

There are as many ways of approaching it as there are forms of magick itself. I don't place much stock in it personally. I think it ultimately lends itself to superstitious thinking in one way or another and is more accurately based upon emotionalism than sound rational thinking of any kind. I don't say it cannot be done. I simply maintain that it is unreliable in the extreme. It can, however, serve a certain inspirational good in certain cases, approached in just the right ways. Beyond this, I think we are mainly dealing with a fetish rooted deep in the human psyche that refuses to process death for what it really is.

I believe in the so-called Akashic Records though since I think that life remembers everything it does in some fashion or another. I believe in the principle of morphogenetic resonance, though I don't presume to grasp its whole dynamic. But when we draw to these things we are nevertheless drawing to something more akin to a holographic "imprint" than anything else. The actual souls of the departed move on in my view and do not sit around waiting for the phone to ring.

There is however the "undead" yet to consider...ghosts and things that have not altogether died for whatever reasons. I haven't really decided what I think of that so much but again I think the vast majority of it is unhealthy and distortional.

m1thr0s

[Copuldaemon]

I disagree with those who disagree because one, it's a new concept to further challenge those who're supposed "necromancers" in a modern sense and two, the information could be very valuable and three, I DOUBT it would be a demon in my case sense I see demons are only dishonest as far as one is dishonest with his or herself.
I'm not surprised that many wouldn't agree to this idea but nevertheless I am confident that it's a refreshing thought that would be very informative and fun.
Don't tell me that I'm the first in occult history to of thought of such, hehe.

[m1thr0s]

well there you have it then...
if you are strongly motivated to fire it up...fire it up.
the force of one's convictions is all that is required to justify any magickal experiment so far as I know...

good hunting in that case!

m1thr0s

[Copuldaemon]

nah, i have no intention of doing it but it may be sometime down the road.

I'm still thinking about this as a concept. I don't know, it could be very challenging for a necromancer. Although I have some experience there I wouldn't consider myself one. But the benefits (as asked earlier) that it could serve is for those who sell drugs to avoid the deceased pitfalls and or to avenge his or her death. BUt yeah, I suppose the convo can't be put to highter ground unless it is actually carried out. Who knows we shall see.