Amur
02-14-2007, 10:25 AM
Channeled information from Shrii Shrii Anandamurti:
Subtle Body Theory
November 1997
So that brings us to our next topic which is subtle body theory. Now
I have spoken about this previously, so I will not go into the same
subjects which were covered at that time. But I will continue on with
explanation regarding the kun'd'alinii which Pankaj seems to feel is a most
mysterious substance. [laughter]
The kulakun'd'alinii lies coiled at the base of the spine. It is the
primordial force of this universe. The Shakti, Citishakti, the power of
Lord Shiva is bound in the material universe and in advanced vertebrates it
is present as kun'd'alinii. And in the human structure, since all of the
kos'as are present, all the stratums of the mind are there, and so there is
the capability for the liberation of consciousness from its bindings within
the material universe. Unit existence is present because mind is bound in
and with matter. In a vertebrate structure, there is the presence of the
neurological and subtle body capacities for the liberation of Citishakti
from its bound position. So kun'd'alinii is bound in three coils, and she
must be freed in order to traverse the journey to Param Shiva. And in
svayambhu'liunga, the fundamental negativity, meaning - what? What is the
fundamental negativity? What is on the opposite, you know Brahmacakra?
[solid factor] Solid factor, material universe. So she is bound, she is in
her aspect. Param Shiva is in the aspect of fundamental negativity bound in
the material universe, bound in matter, bound in body, embodied.
Now that does not mean that unit consciousness resides in mula'dha'ra
cakra. It means that Param Shiva is bound in an embodied state in the
material universe. So this is svayambhu'liunga. And kulakun'd'alinii must
pierce through this granthi - granthi means what? [knot] knot - must pierce
the granthi and come up to another stratum away from, apart from the
material universe. So the first granthi lies at the head of
svayambhu'liunga and is a constriction of the psychic world. When
kulakun'd'alinii is awakened by the call of Parama Shiva, it will pierce
this granthi, open, and begin to rise upward through Brahma na'd'ii. If
there are many desires left in the mind of a person, the force, the mighty
force which rises upward will spring a few leaks through these vrttis, and
does it leaks out through the vrttis, the vrttis may become very activated.
A person may feel extreme fear, extreme rage, extreme sexual feelings,
maddening jealousy, complete self doubt, overwhelming happiness, ecstatic
joy. They may bark like a dog, nay like a horse, strut like a peacock. They
have leaks. They have a leaky kun'd'alinii. [laughter]
So they need a plumber, yes, to fix the leaks and that is why they
should have a Guru. Without Guru to say, "Hey come. Do some a'sanas. Do
some pra'n'a'ya'ma. Look here, this is the way," a person may get very
confused and they may have quite some difficulty. There are people who
spontaneously awaken kun'd'alinii, it happens. In fact it happens quite
frequently, and they will be having an intimate situation, or out in
nature, or they have attended some yoga classes, hatha yoga, some
pranayamas, it was very invigorating. Next week, they are lying on the
beach and suddenly things are quite abnormal. Perhaps they are just doing
an ordinary task and [Ba'ba' clicks the fingers] like that they are
overcome by a state. And after that they may experience so many problems:
heat in the body, rushings of energies up and down the spine, all of the
pra'n'as, the va'yus may become imbalanced.
You see, the problem is, if kulakun'd'alinii begins to rise and the
physical body is not prepared and the energy will sprout up, it will leak
through the vrttis, this means when it sprouts up there is Brahma na'd'ii
and surrounding Brahma na'd'ii is citrani na'd'ii, surrounding that is
vajra na'd'ii. Citrani na'd'ii has the basic vibrations of the elements,
the kos'as. Surrounding that is vajra na'd'ii which has the propensities of
mind. So as this force moves upwards, this force of Shakti carrying - as if
you imagine a fountain, like a geyser, like Old Faithful, right - and it
comes up. And what is on the top of the geyser being nicely carried? It is
the a'tman, the consciousness, jiiva'tman is on the top of the geyser being
nicely carried upward. This is conscious awareness, the cognitive function,
the consciousness, awareness of the living being, the jiiva'tman which has
been associated with mind locked into material existence, material world.
It is stuck in bhu'rloka. But kulakun'd'alinii, she became active and
pierced the granthi, and she should shots like a geyser upwards carrying on
top of her jiiva'tman. And she is Shakti, she has the force of creation,
she pushes upwards.
And with all of the shakti activated, if the kos'as and the elements
have various, what would I call, impurities - the person eats only
unsentient foods, watches the TV, orders the pizza every night, pepperoni
pizza every night, sits in front of the TV, exercises to go get the beer
from the refrigerator - then there may be some problem. In citrani na'd'ii
there will be a kind of a clouding, element will not be crisp, pure in
wave. It will be a little clouded. I do not know how to say. And as this
energy enlivens, vibrates, it goes up, it vibrates out, and then into vajra
na'd'ii, the backwash may go out. If the person is very singular in their
ideation, if their longing for the Great is extreme, if they exercise and
take good care for the body, eats sentient foods so that the frequency of
the body is not misaligned with the frequency of the subtle realms coming
into embodiment in that body, then more than likely kun'd'a'linii will rise
up without a lot of spread. But if there is sluggishness in the physical
structure - tamogun'a is too dominant - and kun'd'alinii cannot rise in a
clear fashion, it will, if the citrani na'd'ii is constrictive around the
Brahma na'd'ii, cannot go, it will spread into the vrttis, out through
citrani na'd'ii into vajra na'd'ii and the vrttis.
And with this activation of citrani na'd'ii and vajra na'd'ii, so
many different jerks and movements and sounds and difficulties, and
suddenly the person has a bowel problem and they have very bad pain in the
lower back and they have so many problems. Many problems may arise. And the
body may become quite sick if the opening is very dramatic and the body is
very unprepared, it is not subtle, sufficiently subtle for the
consciousness, the stratum of consciousness which is activated. They will
lose psycho-physical parallelism. In these cases it is very important that
parallelism is brought back as soon as possible.
There are those who advise eat the meat, crudify the mind so that
there is parallelism. But I think this is a backward approach. Better to
make the body more subtle and attain parallelism in this way. So in these
cases the person may experience fear, because there is a sense of danger to
the body. The body experiences the danger, and so the person becomes
afraid. In such a case you must reassure them. And then you must also give
them practical solutions to their problems, helping them to integrate their
consciousness with their physiological structure and their psychological
structure, or material mind. So you will want to have them do things to
make the body feels safe, to balance the doshas in the body. Frequently the
person will be needing to have some nice oils and nice massage, to do
physical work with the physical body to bring the energies into the body,
to make the body strong, to do a'sanas, and to eat a sentient diet.
And on this point you may get some resistance. And if they are
smoking cigars and drinking alcohol, if the experience is minimal, perhaps
they will be alright. But if this experience they are having is dramatic,
they must stop all these habits, otherwise they may lose parallelism and it
is quite dangerous. The yogic diet, yogic life style is designed to make
the body subtle so that it may contain the intuitional waves of the Cosmic
Mind. So, in this way, mind becomes concentrated and if person takes
devotional approach, they can experience the presence of Parama Purus'a in
a devotional stance, then many problems will be solved.
Q: Ba'ba', if there is no leaks, still is it possible that spiritual energy
leaks through, going to the na'd'iis and to the different parts of the body
so instead of feeling back pain or bowel things, it will be beneficial to
the organs and through the body and the person will have a healing kind of
experience?
The energies will go throughout the physical structure. It is only
that they will go out throughout the subtle structure and the physical
structure. The problems comes because they are at the certain frequency,
sattva, and the structure is dominated by rajas or tamas, then there will
be clash. They don't go together and one burns through the other, and that
is why physical and psychic symptoms occur. But if there is a harmony of
vibratory frequency, then . . .
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. . . brings healing to you rather than pain. Have you noticed? But
if there is some incompatibility of vibration between this shakti, this
subtle flow of divine nectar, mind and body, then there will be some
manifestation of this distortion. It will rise to the surface. sam'ska'ra
is matured through this process, is it not? So another way to put it is
that the sam'ska'ra will be matured. That is to say the blockage in the
mind, in the body will rise to the surface and a problem will be there. But
if there is no blockage, if the subtle channels, the na'd'iis and the nerve
fibers are all clean and pure and able to vibrate with the sweet frequency
of sattvagun'a, then the sweet bliss will emanate through the body and you
will feel invigorated, like taking a very lovely warm bath. You will feel
that your body is completely pure, like a pristine temple, and bliss will
emanate through the body.
Q: What is the most effective way to purify the channels?
It is sentient diet, do a'sanas, do service work, and cultivate
devotion. These are the best approaches. Do we incorporate this in our
sa'dhana'?
Q: Fasting also?
Fasting is beneficial as well, but in moderation.
Q: For years, many of us have felt that sensations in cakras without
corresponding deep experiences of ecstasy and have wondered if the
kun'd'alinii force can be experienced in cakras without its full rising?
Yes. It is not kun'd'alinii, it is merely the vibrating. There are
many experiences apart from kun'd'alinii. The cakra itself may be
stimulated, the pra'n'endriya may be affected, the na'd'iis may be
stimulated. So there are many different types of experiences. When
kun'd'alinii rises, many people experience sensations up the spine. There
are those people who experience no sensation at all, they just experience
the mystical states of the arousal without any physiological symptoms
because they do not have those types of difficulties. Because, in fact,
through the arousal of kulakun'd'alinii, what do you want? You want the
transmutation of consciousness, do you not? You want that you should feel
the divine flow of infinite love permeating your being and that your
individuality dissolves into the ocean of blessedness. Is this not what you
want? You do not want to go "Hmm" and feel the kulakun'd'alinii rising.
Like, "Today I will go to the carnival and ride the rides, round and round
and tomorrow I will sit for sa'dhana' and feel the kulakun'd'alinii
rising," - right? It is a joy ride. But the alteration of consciousness is
far more than a joy ride.
Q: Sometimes, if there is a leakage, that it opens up a gateway for
kun'd'alinii to come through . . .
The sam'ska'ras are matured. You see, if it is in a minor way, it is
very good, but if it is in a major way it can be a serious problem because
parallelism can be lost. But this is correct. sam'ska'ras are matured as
the kun'd'alinii rises, sam'ska'ras become ripened and they will come to
the surface. As they become matured and you work through the problem, you
make subtle what was crude. Of course there will be a clearing and then the
process will proceed all the more easily until you find that your whole
body feels subtle, pure, peaceful, your nerves are calm, your mind at ease,
you feel a sweet purity and fragrance of sweetness in your body. And then
you sit for sa'dhana' and do you have good sa'dhana'? Then you have good
sa'dhana'. Immediately the mind is focuses, immediately a sweet pure
feeling comes and permeates mind and body, and you may not even notice the
kulakun'd'alinii as she rises upwards. You just notice that a shower of
bliss descends upon you and you feel the grace of Parama Purus'a falling
upon you in endless waves of love. This is a proper rising of
kulakun'd'alinii.
Q: There are some healers that claim that they are purifying or opening the
cakras of others. What do you think about this?
I think there are many people who like to play with such things. Some
may do. But unless they themselves have opened these centers, they will
have a very hard time in opening them in others. Can you lead others where
you have not gone? It is not possible. But among those people there are
some who have experienced much, and indeed they can. But there are many who
like to go to the carnival and ride the rides.
Q: Could there be some danger if the person goes to a healer who is not
proficient but who claims to work with the cakras. Can there be any harm in
this?
I would not say it cannot happen. You know there are those who play
with energies and use them for many purposes. Avidya tantrics play with
these energies, black magicians play with these energies, do they not? But
they have certain purposes in mind. The intent of a person is exceedingly
important. There are those who are very pure souls, very subtle in their
own development due to their devotion to Parama Purus'a and they may do
very good healing. If you know of such people you know of what I speak.
They are devotional people, their devotion is very strong. And when they do
healing, they are selfless in what they do, they do not charge you $400 for
the initial consultation. They are not in the big business of healing, they
are doing for a different reason. There are those who serve in this way,
but there are others who have different motives or who are capitalists and
this is their business. Alright?
Q: Can you say something more about the granthis? What is it that is doing
the block?
Granthis are classically known as knots which constrict the na'd'iis
and prevent the rising upwards of the kulakun'd'alinii. These granthis are
located at the base of the spine, at the head of svayambhu'liunga is one
granthi, another is at ana'hata cakra, another is located at the throat
center and again at a'jina. They are constrictions caused by psycho-
physical barriers. These are glandular biochemical modulators of
consciousness relating to the pineal gland, the pituitary gland, the
thymus, and the sexual organs. If biochemistry is not adjusted, the
kulakun'd'alinii can not rise. It will be blocked and is blocked at each of
these points unless opened. Opening of granthi means the subtle body and
the crude body are both transmuted. When kulakun'd'alinii pierces the
ana'hata cakra, what happens? Bhakti develops. Do you feel sensation in the
heart? Do you feel the capacity to love? Do you feel all the barriers to
love break away, all of the pain, grief, sorrow? All of the limitations of
love must be dissolved, so there is a constriction of love, a constriction
of mind, isn't it? Your concepts of reality, your beliefs. "I know who I
am, I am a psychologist." "I am a business man." "I am a free spirit."
There are so many definitions in the mind, it is a barrier, a knot. The
mind is a knot of concepts, the heart is a knot of sentiments and the
sexual organs are a knot of desire. Do you see?
Q: If someone experiences kun'd'alinii coming up through the spine and
coming out a'jina cakra, does this mean that all the cakras below this have
opened?
This is a very good question. Kun'd'alinii may temporarily rise up, a
little spurt. That way it may get through the granthis without too much
trouble. It comes up in a very narrow column, a little spurt like a small
geyser so that it may get through the knots in the sentiments and the knots
in the mind and the knots in the passions. And it will come up and it may
pierce the cakra and some sama'dhi state will be there, kind of like on the
4th of July, the rocket is sent up and explodes in a beautiful light and
everyone goes "Ahhhh". But then it is gone. So then it does not precisely
go back down. It goes up in a spurt and then dissipates. But, it may rise
more fully, more completely, and then it may settle in different stratums
and you may not even know that your kulakun'd'alinii is quite awake at a
different stratum. You only know because you take that for granted. But
when it rises beyond a certain point, then there is distinct alteration of
consciousness. When the heart and the mind become unknotted.
Q: In Patanjali's sutras, it is said that sometimes you can get sparks and
spurts of kun'd'alinii flying up to ana'hata cakra and then you can see
different sights appear.
Yes, a'jina cakra, not ana'hata. There is reflection at different
stages. You may see something at different stages. But in the a'jina cakra
there is the appearance of saints and sages. But that does not mean that
kun'd'alinii has fully risen to a'jina cakra because if that were the case
and it were remaining there, the sense of "I"-ness would get dissolved, the
sense of separation, lost. But it may pierce upwards, move upwards. And it
will rise and fall, rise and fall until what? Until it crosses what? Guru
cakra. Then it is permanent. It will not go back down once it has passed
through this one way valve.
Q: Ba'ba', after this happens, one must enter a state of bliss, but is that
it? Is that the end?
Would you like to go somewhere else? If you come back into a physical
body, if the person, having crossed in a permanent way, not only attain
nirvikalpa sama'dhi and then kun'd'alinii goes again down to some stage,
but kulakun'd'alinii has fully risen with all of her full force, and
pierced Shrii, then if the body, mind, and if it is the will of Parama
Brahma that this entity should live in the world, then they will come again
into the physical body and they will take residence in hridayam. It is the
final abode. They will live in hridayam. So all of the saints and sages who
have raised the kulakun'd'alinii to its culminating home with Parama Shiva
reside in hridayam. Then kulakun'd'alinii finds her home base.
Q: Can someone with another belief system, who doesn't do meditation, and
whose diet isn't completely sentient and so on, if their longing for the
Supreme is really great, how does the process work for their liberation?
Does it still involve kun'd'alinii, or does Parama Purus'a pull them all
the way without their effort?
Do you know those of Christian religion who have great devotion? Do
you think their kulakun'd'alinii has risen? When the great saints of the
past have levitated off of the floor, do you think they have active
kulakun'd'alinii? It can happen anywhere.
Q: So liberation is a sure guarantee if we perform sa'dhana' twice a day?
There are many forms of sa'dhana'. So these people, in their
devotions, you know many of these saints and sages of different traditions,
if you look into their lives, you will see that they have done a great deal
of sa'dhana'. Maybe they have spent five years in silence in the monastery
doing devotional contemplation prayer. They have dedicated themselves,
body, mind and spirit in complete surrender to Parama Purus'a. Is that not
yoga?
Q: What about in Buddhist tradition where there is no concept of Parama
Purus'a.
What is the concept? You do not mean Vajra school, you mean Zen or .
. .
Q: In some schools isn't it atheistic?
I would not say that. Buddhism, in Mahayana and [Tarava?] and Vajra,
all have the concept of the enlightened state. In the development of the
schools in China and Japan, this conceptualization of enlightenment became
very abstract. There is no devotional element, but nonetheless it is there.
There is not the tendency to personalize, there is the tendency to conceive
of divinity as a void. But even in this, where awareness itself . . . you
see, in these schools they have attempted to simplify the philosophy and
simply state that awareness itself is the goal, to become self-aware. Is
there a difference? But the approach is different. The use of contemplation
is there, but as I have said some nights ago, the types of states which are
induced are different. The final culminating point will be the same, all
roads lead to one home, but it is conceived of by the mind with all its
beliefs with a different set of beliefs. And so there are a different set
of experiences . . . .
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Q: . . . many of us have felt a real different experience in our sa'dhana'
which has something to do with heart cakra, like the opening of heart cakra
which has changed our whole approach in our lives. Can you say something
about that?
Each opens their expression, their relationship to Divinity in their
own time, in their own way. Upon the departure of the physical guru, for
those who are devoted to him, a crisis occurs, and to that crises there
have been many different responses. One has been to become independent, to
try to go it alone so to speak, to try to find the path alone. Another has
been to attempt to preserve what was. Some have felt that guru is closer to
them, others have missed his physical presence a great deal. Some have felt
that now it is up to them to find a way, others have felt abandoned. There
are no right feelings, no wrong feelings, there are many feelings. You have
taken time to listen to your own feelings. These too will change, all
things change. All things change. Never is anything in this material
universe of a permanent nature, it is all relative. I think I have strayed
from this subject.
Q: Can psychedelic drugs like LSD stimulate the arousal of
kulakun'd'alinii?
Yes, most definitely. In one whose sam'ska'ras are there for this
arousal. It may release the sam'ska'ras. It is a dangerous path.
Q: Can you confirm what you have said that kun'd'alinii can rise in varying
degrees?
Yes, but for kun'd'alinii to rise there will be alteration in
consciousness. If there is no alteration in consciousness, then I do not
think kun'd'alinii is rising. A person may not experience bliss if they are
terrified of the alterations in consciousness. It may not necessarily be
bliss, but there will be alterations in consciousness.
Q: Is it possible for heart cakra to be open before other cakras are open?
No, not kun'd'alinii. Kun'd'alinii cannot skip over. It will just hop
from here to here and in the middle there is some void. No, it doesn't go
like this. But you can clarify the petals around the cakra. You can have a
great deal of purification of a center without the arousal of kun'd'alinii.
Q: What happened to me Ba'ba'?
Kun'd'alinii rose. It was kun'd'alinii, my son. Now you must work a
little bit to keep it there.
Alright, I think the time grows late. I like very much your bhajans.
Will you sing? Sudeva will be leaving. He must sing bhajans. Will you sing
bhajans?
Subtle Body Theory
November 1997
So that brings us to our next topic which is subtle body theory. Now
I have spoken about this previously, so I will not go into the same
subjects which were covered at that time. But I will continue on with
explanation regarding the kun'd'alinii which Pankaj seems to feel is a most
mysterious substance. [laughter]
The kulakun'd'alinii lies coiled at the base of the spine. It is the
primordial force of this universe. The Shakti, Citishakti, the power of
Lord Shiva is bound in the material universe and in advanced vertebrates it
is present as kun'd'alinii. And in the human structure, since all of the
kos'as are present, all the stratums of the mind are there, and so there is
the capability for the liberation of consciousness from its bindings within
the material universe. Unit existence is present because mind is bound in
and with matter. In a vertebrate structure, there is the presence of the
neurological and subtle body capacities for the liberation of Citishakti
from its bound position. So kun'd'alinii is bound in three coils, and she
must be freed in order to traverse the journey to Param Shiva. And in
svayambhu'liunga, the fundamental negativity, meaning - what? What is the
fundamental negativity? What is on the opposite, you know Brahmacakra?
[solid factor] Solid factor, material universe. So she is bound, she is in
her aspect. Param Shiva is in the aspect of fundamental negativity bound in
the material universe, bound in matter, bound in body, embodied.
Now that does not mean that unit consciousness resides in mula'dha'ra
cakra. It means that Param Shiva is bound in an embodied state in the
material universe. So this is svayambhu'liunga. And kulakun'd'alinii must
pierce through this granthi - granthi means what? [knot] knot - must pierce
the granthi and come up to another stratum away from, apart from the
material universe. So the first granthi lies at the head of
svayambhu'liunga and is a constriction of the psychic world. When
kulakun'd'alinii is awakened by the call of Parama Shiva, it will pierce
this granthi, open, and begin to rise upward through Brahma na'd'ii. If
there are many desires left in the mind of a person, the force, the mighty
force which rises upward will spring a few leaks through these vrttis, and
does it leaks out through the vrttis, the vrttis may become very activated.
A person may feel extreme fear, extreme rage, extreme sexual feelings,
maddening jealousy, complete self doubt, overwhelming happiness, ecstatic
joy. They may bark like a dog, nay like a horse, strut like a peacock. They
have leaks. They have a leaky kun'd'alinii. [laughter]
So they need a plumber, yes, to fix the leaks and that is why they
should have a Guru. Without Guru to say, "Hey come. Do some a'sanas. Do
some pra'n'a'ya'ma. Look here, this is the way," a person may get very
confused and they may have quite some difficulty. There are people who
spontaneously awaken kun'd'alinii, it happens. In fact it happens quite
frequently, and they will be having an intimate situation, or out in
nature, or they have attended some yoga classes, hatha yoga, some
pranayamas, it was very invigorating. Next week, they are lying on the
beach and suddenly things are quite abnormal. Perhaps they are just doing
an ordinary task and [Ba'ba' clicks the fingers] like that they are
overcome by a state. And after that they may experience so many problems:
heat in the body, rushings of energies up and down the spine, all of the
pra'n'as, the va'yus may become imbalanced.
You see, the problem is, if kulakun'd'alinii begins to rise and the
physical body is not prepared and the energy will sprout up, it will leak
through the vrttis, this means when it sprouts up there is Brahma na'd'ii
and surrounding Brahma na'd'ii is citrani na'd'ii, surrounding that is
vajra na'd'ii. Citrani na'd'ii has the basic vibrations of the elements,
the kos'as. Surrounding that is vajra na'd'ii which has the propensities of
mind. So as this force moves upwards, this force of Shakti carrying - as if
you imagine a fountain, like a geyser, like Old Faithful, right - and it
comes up. And what is on the top of the geyser being nicely carried? It is
the a'tman, the consciousness, jiiva'tman is on the top of the geyser being
nicely carried upward. This is conscious awareness, the cognitive function,
the consciousness, awareness of the living being, the jiiva'tman which has
been associated with mind locked into material existence, material world.
It is stuck in bhu'rloka. But kulakun'd'alinii, she became active and
pierced the granthi, and she should shots like a geyser upwards carrying on
top of her jiiva'tman. And she is Shakti, she has the force of creation,
she pushes upwards.
And with all of the shakti activated, if the kos'as and the elements
have various, what would I call, impurities - the person eats only
unsentient foods, watches the TV, orders the pizza every night, pepperoni
pizza every night, sits in front of the TV, exercises to go get the beer
from the refrigerator - then there may be some problem. In citrani na'd'ii
there will be a kind of a clouding, element will not be crisp, pure in
wave. It will be a little clouded. I do not know how to say. And as this
energy enlivens, vibrates, it goes up, it vibrates out, and then into vajra
na'd'ii, the backwash may go out. If the person is very singular in their
ideation, if their longing for the Great is extreme, if they exercise and
take good care for the body, eats sentient foods so that the frequency of
the body is not misaligned with the frequency of the subtle realms coming
into embodiment in that body, then more than likely kun'd'a'linii will rise
up without a lot of spread. But if there is sluggishness in the physical
structure - tamogun'a is too dominant - and kun'd'alinii cannot rise in a
clear fashion, it will, if the citrani na'd'ii is constrictive around the
Brahma na'd'ii, cannot go, it will spread into the vrttis, out through
citrani na'd'ii into vajra na'd'ii and the vrttis.
And with this activation of citrani na'd'ii and vajra na'd'ii, so
many different jerks and movements and sounds and difficulties, and
suddenly the person has a bowel problem and they have very bad pain in the
lower back and they have so many problems. Many problems may arise. And the
body may become quite sick if the opening is very dramatic and the body is
very unprepared, it is not subtle, sufficiently subtle for the
consciousness, the stratum of consciousness which is activated. They will
lose psycho-physical parallelism. In these cases it is very important that
parallelism is brought back as soon as possible.
There are those who advise eat the meat, crudify the mind so that
there is parallelism. But I think this is a backward approach. Better to
make the body more subtle and attain parallelism in this way. So in these
cases the person may experience fear, because there is a sense of danger to
the body. The body experiences the danger, and so the person becomes
afraid. In such a case you must reassure them. And then you must also give
them practical solutions to their problems, helping them to integrate their
consciousness with their physiological structure and their psychological
structure, or material mind. So you will want to have them do things to
make the body feels safe, to balance the doshas in the body. Frequently the
person will be needing to have some nice oils and nice massage, to do
physical work with the physical body to bring the energies into the body,
to make the body strong, to do a'sanas, and to eat a sentient diet.
And on this point you may get some resistance. And if they are
smoking cigars and drinking alcohol, if the experience is minimal, perhaps
they will be alright. But if this experience they are having is dramatic,
they must stop all these habits, otherwise they may lose parallelism and it
is quite dangerous. The yogic diet, yogic life style is designed to make
the body subtle so that it may contain the intuitional waves of the Cosmic
Mind. So, in this way, mind becomes concentrated and if person takes
devotional approach, they can experience the presence of Parama Purus'a in
a devotional stance, then many problems will be solved.
Q: Ba'ba', if there is no leaks, still is it possible that spiritual energy
leaks through, going to the na'd'iis and to the different parts of the body
so instead of feeling back pain or bowel things, it will be beneficial to
the organs and through the body and the person will have a healing kind of
experience?
The energies will go throughout the physical structure. It is only
that they will go out throughout the subtle structure and the physical
structure. The problems comes because they are at the certain frequency,
sattva, and the structure is dominated by rajas or tamas, then there will
be clash. They don't go together and one burns through the other, and that
is why physical and psychic symptoms occur. But if there is a harmony of
vibratory frequency, then . . .
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. . . brings healing to you rather than pain. Have you noticed? But
if there is some incompatibility of vibration between this shakti, this
subtle flow of divine nectar, mind and body, then there will be some
manifestation of this distortion. It will rise to the surface. sam'ska'ra
is matured through this process, is it not? So another way to put it is
that the sam'ska'ra will be matured. That is to say the blockage in the
mind, in the body will rise to the surface and a problem will be there. But
if there is no blockage, if the subtle channels, the na'd'iis and the nerve
fibers are all clean and pure and able to vibrate with the sweet frequency
of sattvagun'a, then the sweet bliss will emanate through the body and you
will feel invigorated, like taking a very lovely warm bath. You will feel
that your body is completely pure, like a pristine temple, and bliss will
emanate through the body.
Q: What is the most effective way to purify the channels?
It is sentient diet, do a'sanas, do service work, and cultivate
devotion. These are the best approaches. Do we incorporate this in our
sa'dhana'?
Q: Fasting also?
Fasting is beneficial as well, but in moderation.
Q: For years, many of us have felt that sensations in cakras without
corresponding deep experiences of ecstasy and have wondered if the
kun'd'alinii force can be experienced in cakras without its full rising?
Yes. It is not kun'd'alinii, it is merely the vibrating. There are
many experiences apart from kun'd'alinii. The cakra itself may be
stimulated, the pra'n'endriya may be affected, the na'd'iis may be
stimulated. So there are many different types of experiences. When
kun'd'alinii rises, many people experience sensations up the spine. There
are those people who experience no sensation at all, they just experience
the mystical states of the arousal without any physiological symptoms
because they do not have those types of difficulties. Because, in fact,
through the arousal of kulakun'd'alinii, what do you want? You want the
transmutation of consciousness, do you not? You want that you should feel
the divine flow of infinite love permeating your being and that your
individuality dissolves into the ocean of blessedness. Is this not what you
want? You do not want to go "Hmm" and feel the kulakun'd'alinii rising.
Like, "Today I will go to the carnival and ride the rides, round and round
and tomorrow I will sit for sa'dhana' and feel the kulakun'd'alinii
rising," - right? It is a joy ride. But the alteration of consciousness is
far more than a joy ride.
Q: Sometimes, if there is a leakage, that it opens up a gateway for
kun'd'alinii to come through . . .
The sam'ska'ras are matured. You see, if it is in a minor way, it is
very good, but if it is in a major way it can be a serious problem because
parallelism can be lost. But this is correct. sam'ska'ras are matured as
the kun'd'alinii rises, sam'ska'ras become ripened and they will come to
the surface. As they become matured and you work through the problem, you
make subtle what was crude. Of course there will be a clearing and then the
process will proceed all the more easily until you find that your whole
body feels subtle, pure, peaceful, your nerves are calm, your mind at ease,
you feel a sweet purity and fragrance of sweetness in your body. And then
you sit for sa'dhana' and do you have good sa'dhana'? Then you have good
sa'dhana'. Immediately the mind is focuses, immediately a sweet pure
feeling comes and permeates mind and body, and you may not even notice the
kulakun'd'alinii as she rises upwards. You just notice that a shower of
bliss descends upon you and you feel the grace of Parama Purus'a falling
upon you in endless waves of love. This is a proper rising of
kulakun'd'alinii.
Q: There are some healers that claim that they are purifying or opening the
cakras of others. What do you think about this?
I think there are many people who like to play with such things. Some
may do. But unless they themselves have opened these centers, they will
have a very hard time in opening them in others. Can you lead others where
you have not gone? It is not possible. But among those people there are
some who have experienced much, and indeed they can. But there are many who
like to go to the carnival and ride the rides.
Q: Could there be some danger if the person goes to a healer who is not
proficient but who claims to work with the cakras. Can there be any harm in
this?
I would not say it cannot happen. You know there are those who play
with energies and use them for many purposes. Avidya tantrics play with
these energies, black magicians play with these energies, do they not? But
they have certain purposes in mind. The intent of a person is exceedingly
important. There are those who are very pure souls, very subtle in their
own development due to their devotion to Parama Purus'a and they may do
very good healing. If you know of such people you know of what I speak.
They are devotional people, their devotion is very strong. And when they do
healing, they are selfless in what they do, they do not charge you $400 for
the initial consultation. They are not in the big business of healing, they
are doing for a different reason. There are those who serve in this way,
but there are others who have different motives or who are capitalists and
this is their business. Alright?
Q: Can you say something more about the granthis? What is it that is doing
the block?
Granthis are classically known as knots which constrict the na'd'iis
and prevent the rising upwards of the kulakun'd'alinii. These granthis are
located at the base of the spine, at the head of svayambhu'liunga is one
granthi, another is at ana'hata cakra, another is located at the throat
center and again at a'jina. They are constrictions caused by psycho-
physical barriers. These are glandular biochemical modulators of
consciousness relating to the pineal gland, the pituitary gland, the
thymus, and the sexual organs. If biochemistry is not adjusted, the
kulakun'd'alinii can not rise. It will be blocked and is blocked at each of
these points unless opened. Opening of granthi means the subtle body and
the crude body are both transmuted. When kulakun'd'alinii pierces the
ana'hata cakra, what happens? Bhakti develops. Do you feel sensation in the
heart? Do you feel the capacity to love? Do you feel all the barriers to
love break away, all of the pain, grief, sorrow? All of the limitations of
love must be dissolved, so there is a constriction of love, a constriction
of mind, isn't it? Your concepts of reality, your beliefs. "I know who I
am, I am a psychologist." "I am a business man." "I am a free spirit."
There are so many definitions in the mind, it is a barrier, a knot. The
mind is a knot of concepts, the heart is a knot of sentiments and the
sexual organs are a knot of desire. Do you see?
Q: If someone experiences kun'd'alinii coming up through the spine and
coming out a'jina cakra, does this mean that all the cakras below this have
opened?
This is a very good question. Kun'd'alinii may temporarily rise up, a
little spurt. That way it may get through the granthis without too much
trouble. It comes up in a very narrow column, a little spurt like a small
geyser so that it may get through the knots in the sentiments and the knots
in the mind and the knots in the passions. And it will come up and it may
pierce the cakra and some sama'dhi state will be there, kind of like on the
4th of July, the rocket is sent up and explodes in a beautiful light and
everyone goes "Ahhhh". But then it is gone. So then it does not precisely
go back down. It goes up in a spurt and then dissipates. But, it may rise
more fully, more completely, and then it may settle in different stratums
and you may not even know that your kulakun'd'alinii is quite awake at a
different stratum. You only know because you take that for granted. But
when it rises beyond a certain point, then there is distinct alteration of
consciousness. When the heart and the mind become unknotted.
Q: In Patanjali's sutras, it is said that sometimes you can get sparks and
spurts of kun'd'alinii flying up to ana'hata cakra and then you can see
different sights appear.
Yes, a'jina cakra, not ana'hata. There is reflection at different
stages. You may see something at different stages. But in the a'jina cakra
there is the appearance of saints and sages. But that does not mean that
kun'd'alinii has fully risen to a'jina cakra because if that were the case
and it were remaining there, the sense of "I"-ness would get dissolved, the
sense of separation, lost. But it may pierce upwards, move upwards. And it
will rise and fall, rise and fall until what? Until it crosses what? Guru
cakra. Then it is permanent. It will not go back down once it has passed
through this one way valve.
Q: Ba'ba', after this happens, one must enter a state of bliss, but is that
it? Is that the end?
Would you like to go somewhere else? If you come back into a physical
body, if the person, having crossed in a permanent way, not only attain
nirvikalpa sama'dhi and then kun'd'alinii goes again down to some stage,
but kulakun'd'alinii has fully risen with all of her full force, and
pierced Shrii, then if the body, mind, and if it is the will of Parama
Brahma that this entity should live in the world, then they will come again
into the physical body and they will take residence in hridayam. It is the
final abode. They will live in hridayam. So all of the saints and sages who
have raised the kulakun'd'alinii to its culminating home with Parama Shiva
reside in hridayam. Then kulakun'd'alinii finds her home base.
Q: Can someone with another belief system, who doesn't do meditation, and
whose diet isn't completely sentient and so on, if their longing for the
Supreme is really great, how does the process work for their liberation?
Does it still involve kun'd'alinii, or does Parama Purus'a pull them all
the way without their effort?
Do you know those of Christian religion who have great devotion? Do
you think their kulakun'd'alinii has risen? When the great saints of the
past have levitated off of the floor, do you think they have active
kulakun'd'alinii? It can happen anywhere.
Q: So liberation is a sure guarantee if we perform sa'dhana' twice a day?
There are many forms of sa'dhana'. So these people, in their
devotions, you know many of these saints and sages of different traditions,
if you look into their lives, you will see that they have done a great deal
of sa'dhana'. Maybe they have spent five years in silence in the monastery
doing devotional contemplation prayer. They have dedicated themselves,
body, mind and spirit in complete surrender to Parama Purus'a. Is that not
yoga?
Q: What about in Buddhist tradition where there is no concept of Parama
Purus'a.
What is the concept? You do not mean Vajra school, you mean Zen or .
. .
Q: In some schools isn't it atheistic?
I would not say that. Buddhism, in Mahayana and [Tarava?] and Vajra,
all have the concept of the enlightened state. In the development of the
schools in China and Japan, this conceptualization of enlightenment became
very abstract. There is no devotional element, but nonetheless it is there.
There is not the tendency to personalize, there is the tendency to conceive
of divinity as a void. But even in this, where awareness itself . . . you
see, in these schools they have attempted to simplify the philosophy and
simply state that awareness itself is the goal, to become self-aware. Is
there a difference? But the approach is different. The use of contemplation
is there, but as I have said some nights ago, the types of states which are
induced are different. The final culminating point will be the same, all
roads lead to one home, but it is conceived of by the mind with all its
beliefs with a different set of beliefs. And so there are a different set
of experiences . . . .
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Q: . . . many of us have felt a real different experience in our sa'dhana'
which has something to do with heart cakra, like the opening of heart cakra
which has changed our whole approach in our lives. Can you say something
about that?
Each opens their expression, their relationship to Divinity in their
own time, in their own way. Upon the departure of the physical guru, for
those who are devoted to him, a crisis occurs, and to that crises there
have been many different responses. One has been to become independent, to
try to go it alone so to speak, to try to find the path alone. Another has
been to attempt to preserve what was. Some have felt that guru is closer to
them, others have missed his physical presence a great deal. Some have felt
that now it is up to them to find a way, others have felt abandoned. There
are no right feelings, no wrong feelings, there are many feelings. You have
taken time to listen to your own feelings. These too will change, all
things change. All things change. Never is anything in this material
universe of a permanent nature, it is all relative. I think I have strayed
from this subject.
Q: Can psychedelic drugs like LSD stimulate the arousal of
kulakun'd'alinii?
Yes, most definitely. In one whose sam'ska'ras are there for this
arousal. It may release the sam'ska'ras. It is a dangerous path.
Q: Can you confirm what you have said that kun'd'alinii can rise in varying
degrees?
Yes, but for kun'd'alinii to rise there will be alteration in
consciousness. If there is no alteration in consciousness, then I do not
think kun'd'alinii is rising. A person may not experience bliss if they are
terrified of the alterations in consciousness. It may not necessarily be
bliss, but there will be alterations in consciousness.
Q: Is it possible for heart cakra to be open before other cakras are open?
No, not kun'd'alinii. Kun'd'alinii cannot skip over. It will just hop
from here to here and in the middle there is some void. No, it doesn't go
like this. But you can clarify the petals around the cakra. You can have a
great deal of purification of a center without the arousal of kun'd'alinii.
Q: What happened to me Ba'ba'?
Kun'd'alinii rose. It was kun'd'alinii, my son. Now you must work a
little bit to keep it there.
Alright, I think the time grows late. I like very much your bhajans.
Will you sing? Sudeva will be leaving. He must sing bhajans. Will you sing
bhajans?