A.'.A.'. Book Question

[fiat_lvx_777]

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Hi All,

I'd like to ask forum reader's opinions, if I may. I'm looking to place my copy of Eshelman's "Mystical & Magical System of the A.'.A.'." on Ebay and was wanting to ask those who are more of a bibliophile than myself what sort of value to place on it? Just did a search on Amazon and there is only one copy available, going for $749 USD!!! Opinions and help sought please!

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Todd

[Fio Praeter Humanus]

The AA book is a real bear to find. The one on amazon has been on sale for awhile now and no one has bitten yet. If you place it for fifty to one hundred cheaper you might get a few nibbles. You never really know.

Demand might be down as well due to a pdf of the text is now floating around. What I would do is pick a number you are comfortable letting it go for, say around five or six hundred. Then lock it in ebay as your retainer or whatever they call it and start the bidding around a hundred or so to make sure only serious people will bid. The worst thing that will happen is it won't sell and you'll be out ten bucks and have to relist it again for a lower price. This is basically what I did when I sold my first edition Necronomicon.

I would love to own a hard copy but don't have near the green to swing it. But there is always someone out there who will and does.


BTW, it is GREAT to see you again! :D

[fiat_lvx_777]

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Thanks for this - I had no idea that it was so hard to find - did a search this morning merely on a whim and almost feel out of the chair when I saw that Amazon listing....the eyes lit up and greed overtook me ;)

Good to see you again too!

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Todd

[fiat_lvx_777]

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Okay - I think I got the hang of this EBay thing - the listing is here (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300088368326), but I don't understand why, when I do a search for it, I get no results? I realise this is kinda off-topic, but I'd appreciate some help from more knowledgeable souls!

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Todd

[emeraldhanael]

If there is a Pdf floating around would someone point me in its direction??? Im something of a bibliophile myself I don't have the cash to shell out for that volume :( I bought a copy of the ritual romanum instead damn.

[m1thr0s]

anybody try torrent sites on this? seems like a wash with mainstream searches so far...now I'm fixated...must-find-pdf-or-die...

I need a new torrent client though...wireless uplinks suck in some areas and that seems to be one of them...

keep us posted folks...legit or not a lot of us would very much like to scan the crap out of this one...

m1thr0s

[Oroc]

The only pdf floating around seems to be the one at sacred-magick...(am I the only one hating them?wish I could crack the site and put every Pdf online!)

:sad:

[Coyote426]

*cough**cough* (http://rapidshare.com/files/45159767/TheMysticalandMagicalSystemoftheAA.pdf)

"Information is currency. Rob the bank!" -Old TOPY saying

"Information is currency. Share the wealth" -Coyote426

[m1thr0s]

you rock Coyote426. thanks for staying on it like that.

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

Yeah thanks for that! :bluegenie:

[Coyote426]

No problem, glad I could help.

[m1thr0s]

interesting quote:

http://abrahadabra.com/snapshots/vivekananda001.gif

the really weird thing is that if anyone were to actually come along and fulfill these requirements...who the hell among these enlightened *masters* do you think would have the wherewithal to recognize this fact?

In my experience, the answer to this is a resounding none...which is puzzling, yet somehow not really surprizing.

It's really great to have access to this document but I'm afraid it's really just another rehash of the same old shit. Still...some interesting perspectives running through it at points...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Yeah that's a little morbid. But would such a religion care for recognition?

[m1thr0s]

well...to tell you the truth, I think the term "universal religion" is an oxymoron. I'm overlooking that in this instance and replacing it with the idea of the "universal solvent", or "philosopher's stone" of alchemy, since the same essential concept applies here. This idea has been around a very long time...that what achieves what we might call *practical universality* inherently cuts through dogmatic borders on all sides, more or less scooping them all up in its overriding principles. What is not commonly understood is that this can only be achieved at the level of physics. It cannot be achieved at the level of *religion* at all. This was never possible and never will be possible. In a very real sense...you simply cannot afford to impune on people's own individualized interpretations of the All and expect to have any kind of useful doctrine capable of integrating infinite variations upon its own themes. This can only be achieved at the level of physics because the physics is what we all share in common on a purely physical level. As soon as you start trying to assert what that physics means in any kind of personal sense you're screwed and the construct has reached its logical limits.

In a very real sense, advanced spiritual matters are much too important to be left to the devices of spiritual masters, whose training is ultimately all wrong to be able to achieve the goals which they aspire to.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

you're right about that. However, I don't think I've ever seen it phrased quite like that. Alchemy has always been excessively careful not to rock the boat, and perhaps the time has come to change all of that. Alchemy as a replacement for religion would be humankind's inheritance. It was produced under extreme duress throughout all of the ages and continents mankind has dwelled upon. The word, alchemy, transcends language.

[m1thr0s]

I run into this all the time...even the language of "stars" is suspect and fraught with underlying hazards. It only works so long as you are constantly qualifying it as a term of convenience...or...as in the case of Abrahadabra...you can qualify it as juxtaposed to *Trees*, for instance...since the model is clearly operating along two demonstrably distinct levels this way.

In either case, we are defining *stars* on a purely physical level, not a rhetorical level so much at all...We can actually point to what we are talking about and this makes a huge difference in our use of the term itself.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I'm noticing more and more the validity of what you were saying about the human body including the body of light being a complete universe. It's true. Totally. Everything a practitioner needs to transcend and reconnect with original source is already right here and accessible to a very high degree. So universe is a more accurate term but the idea of actual stars being complete universes may as yet also be true.

[Oblio]

Absolutely, we have what we need to reconnect already, we just have to forget all of the bullshit that we learn on the way. No systems are necessary, but they can help to systematically break through our veils of illusion. Ultimately (at least on my path) the system also has to be forgotten, or else it becomes another groove which we run along on.

It's not religion that has to change, it's people, although, shaking up the status quo can help people to realise it - if they're capable of realising at all that is!

Oh, and Coyote, thanks for sharing man, but would you happen to know why I can't download the link - it tells me that the file is corrupted or not a proper pdf... Cheers.

[m1thr0s]

the more you explore it, the truer it gets...

I've been watching this Rome series you know and I always see these things through the eyes of Abrahadabra somehow. It just strikes me as almost comical how intensely people define themselves at the physical level yet keep falling for the same bullshit trick over and over again of short-changing themselves...of only being willing to accept what society has already defined as to what that physicality actually amounts to. This is a programming glitch essentially. If you assume you're a fucking baboon then you'll do everything in your power to be an effective baboon and you'll probably even meet with a certain amount of success. But it's ultimately going to fall apart because even though you do in fact share certain characteristics in common with baboons...that's not actually what you are.

People have been carrying on like they were fucking baboons for thousands of years without a whole lot of success. I'm one of the few monkeys in circulation that is really questioning whether the whole baboon construct might actually be incomplete. What if people aren't baboons at all? What if they are something much more powerful than baboons?

nah...

m1thr0s

[Oblio]

couldn't be, you're talking crazy man :rofl:

[m1thr0s]

ain't it the truth...that's crazy talk for sure...

they'll even accept the idea as a spiritualistic sort of maybe...but if you try to insist that the whole misdirection is actually happening at the physical level...yeah...that's just gotta be some crazy talkin' shit man...

stranger than fiction...

m1thr0s

[Oblio]

Well, all is physical, just as much as all is spiritual - all is just, well all.

Sounds a bit banal, but the truth is quite simple (in principle, although, as you say, extremely difficult to reconcile into language).

[m1thr0s]

you know...to an alchemist...spirit is just another element. that's its edge really and that's also the general gist of what still needs to be squarely established here...

but we do require various models to test these things out correctly. I've been at this stuff so long I don't even give a shit anymore if my whole model falls flat on its face. It's already established 1000 times over it'll just pick itself up, make a few adjustments and go again...

Sooner or later the dots are gonna connect when your basic strategy is that resilient...

m1thr0s

[Coyote426]

Oh, and Coyote, thanks for sharing man, but would you happen to know why I can't download the link - it tells me that the file is corrupted or not a proper pdf... Cheers.

Hmm..dunno. Did you just right-click the link or did you go to the rapidshare site via the link?

[Oblio]

Funny, I should have noticed that! Clicking the link triggered my browsers pdf reader to try and open it as a pdf (cause of the .pdf at the end of the address). Just had to copy the link location into my browser directly :D

Thanks!

[Nuhad418]

I feel all warm inside...and this time not in a bad way! Thanks for this!

[m1thr0s]

One thing that's very cool is the layout in grades which I have wondered how effectively this could be done.

Good to have an example on tap...

m1thr0s