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Kain
03-30-2007, 03:53 PM
Due to a request (http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=16583#post16583) for a divert thread discussing the particulars of Tantric theory on utilizing different sources of energy, I figured this thread would prove informative.

In Tantric cosmology, much like Samkhya cosmology, the Universe functions simultaneously both in a microcosmic and macrocosmic level, one level closely following the processes of the other. It is due to this that the Tantric saying goes: "What is here, is elsewhere. What is not here, is nowhere". Due to this existance of two main layers, the various manifested principles appear both in a universal (macrocosmic) and also in a particularised (microcosmic) aspect, the latter being a manifestation of it's own that stems from the former.

As creation theory goes, the first individuation of the process of manifestation is Purusha (the inactive spectator of creation, consciousness) and Prakriti (Unmanifest, primordial "matter"). Prakriti soon after differentiates in the 3 gunas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guna), namely Sattva, Rajas and Tamas.

Buddhi (also called intellective, or higher mind) then manifests from Prakriti, with Ahamkara (literally, "I-making principle") after it. At this point, the 3 gunas influence Ahamkara so that a simultaneous yet differentiated process of manifestation takes place. Through the influence of Sattva (the principle that reveals consciousness), the five senses evolve while through the influence of Tamas, their respective objects of sensation also evolve, both initially in a universal and later on in a particularised sense.

The universal objects of sensation or "elements" are called tanmatras, and constitute the prototypes of the gross elements of matter (Bhutas, namely Akasha or emptiness, Vayu or Air, Tejas or Fire, Ap or Water and Prthivi or Earth) as they are later evolved in the manifestational process. The Tanmatras are in the form of a point, thus their spatial dimensions are zero, occupying no space in themselves, yet also being adjacent to all space.

The Tantric practitioner does not pay much attention to external sources of energy through one's work, but rather focuses on the cultivation of purity and the harnessing of the original state of the chakras in one's own body. Each of the 5 lower Chakras has a presiding element of the 5 mentioned (with a bija-mantra representative of that element), through which not only the functions of the body relative to that element are controlled but also the tanmatra related to it. Thus, for instance, through contemplating on Manipura chakra, where the element Tejas has it's seat, both the processes of digestion and ultimately the element of Tejas itself are mastered, allowing the practitioner to evoke or control the properties of the element in all it's forms as it is found henceforth. It is based on such practice that it is said that after sufficient training, the mere utterance of a bija-mantra is sufficient to directly evoke the effects of it's respective element, in this case bring about the direct manifestation of fire.

So the Tantric approach towards energy 'sources' tends to focus on the inside in order to find the essential link with all that lies outside. Through mastery of one's own subtle body, the whole universe is thus mastered, with no regard to subtly interracting with particularized aspects of that external environment until that power is attained. So, unlike other paths where the practitioner is said to draw on energy of certain 'types' or from certain 'sources', the Tantric practitioner utilizes the prana (life-force) of one's body along with mantric incantation (japa) in awakening very specific correspondances of the external world in parts of one's own body, which in turn allow for manipulation of the external environment along with the internal.

This type of appraoch, although inherent in the Tantras, is also found in yogic applications throughout the spectrum of Hinduism and I think is representative of an underlying understanding of the common origin and essential relationship of the internal and external, thus not having oneself interract with the multiplicity in ways more than required but rather attend to realizing the essential unity of the two and of practically attaining the altitude and loftiness of that common origin.

Kain

Naomi
03-30-2007, 03:59 PM
The universal objects of sensation or "elements" are called tanmatras, and constitute the prototypes of the gross elements of matter (Bhutas, namely Akasha or emptiness, Vayu or Air, Tejas or Fire, Ap or Water and Prthivi or Earth) as they are later evolved in the manifestational process. The Tanmatras are in the form of a point, thus their spatial dimensions are zero, occupying no space in themselves, yet also being adjacent to all space.


That's a good bit right there.

But you refer to these as different energy types...I was under the impression the elements produce different kinds of energy when combined. In this system, elements=energy?

Kain
03-30-2007, 05:13 PM
That's a good bit right there.

But you refer to these as different energy types...I was under the impression the elements produce different kinds of energy when combined. In this system, elements=energy?Good question Naomi...

No, not really. The closest we have to the term 'energy' in this system is the flow of Prana itself, both universally and within one's own body. The various tanmatras or subtle elements are not so much different types of energy but rather *states of matter*. The most defining characteristics setting them apart form each other are their differences in density, and also their behavior due to their respective density. This behavioral pattern that distinguishes each of them could, in a sense, be described as the feel of their 'elemental' energy yet it's important to keep in mind that we're dealing with varying densities of the same essential substance in all cases. Still, since different patterns of behavior and different densities are mastered in stages, this also accounts as to why a certain element could be mastered prior to another (even if the energy they all share is essentially the same).

Kain

Okazaki Castle
03-30-2007, 06:28 PM
Very interesting Khain, helps me understand a lot about the Aghori stuff a good friend of mine talks on. Appreciated :)

Now this different density matter which is controlled by the practitioner by focusing on it, am I right in speculating that the focus is directed inwards to a specific chakra to control, move and change the external state of matter in the density corresponding to the charka being focused upon? So, for example, focusing on Manipura you control fire element. Would that include control of physical fire, eg pyrokinesis? Or, if not, how would that control of the element manifest/express in the physically-lived and commonly-observed occurring physical reality on this world?

thanks in advance.

all da best,
Oazaki.

Kain
03-31-2007, 08:58 AM
Now this different density matter which is controlled by the practitioner by focusing on it, am I right in speculating that the focus is directed inwards to a specific chakra to control, move and change the external state of matter in the density corresponding to the charka being focused upon? So, for example, focusing on Manipura you control fire element. Would that include control of physical fire, eg pyrokinesis? You're right in that speculation Okazaki. Mastery of the external or manifest forces is achieved through the innevitable resonance such forces have with the internal and subtle element (or tanmatra) they relate to. So, by focusing on Manipura and by realizing (and fascilitating in yourself) the nature of the Tejas Tanmatra and it's assorted bija-mantra, by default you have forged a link with something a lot more universal than physical fire but also a lot more all-pervasive too. This means that through that mastered principle, all denser principles that have emanated from it are also instantly mastered (so one has mastered physical fire as well in all it's forms, and can proceed to manipulating it due to the inherent resonance that I previously described). And so the texts speak of an attained immunity to fire and also direct materialization of fire etc...

For instance, it is said that by mastering the principle of mantric sound (a lot higher up the chain of the manifestation hierarchy) one is also immune to all actions towards oneself that one does not desire to be part in. This is due to the fact that any action or manifestation is viewed in the sense of a sound phenomenon in Tantric doctrine, and if the medium of sound is mastered, selective interraction with it can be fascilitated. There is a verse in the Sat-Chakra-Nirupana (Description of the 5 Centres) that describes this attainance as becoming a "Master of Speech", and through such a becoming, one can safely ground unwanted mantras (here: 'actions') directed towards oneself without any further effects. So, in short, Sound could be said to be the most primordial form that the Manifest world assumes, which then further differentiates in the various afforementioned principles and Tanmatras (which have a specified sound to themselves) and later on Bhutas which are even more dense and particularized (their sound even more contrived).

Kain