New Planets

[Okazaki Castle]

We've had a lot of these in the last four years or so. Funnily enough. Maybe the humans' scientists are seeing better... or maybe someone's playing with this solar system, and throwing things into it that weren't there to be seen before. What do you think, which possibility is the strongest?

We'll talk about these new planets on this thread... from an astrological perspective. Astrologically, planets have characters. And Names, too...

The first planet I'd like to look at briefly here, to start with, is 2003 UB313, now known as Eris. Originally, it was first called Xena. Then you had the IAU meeting where they decided that neither Eris nor Pluto were planets, but rather dwarf planets. This is different to what scientists thought before about Pluto. They're always changing their classfications, or 'Mind', like that, scientists. Sometimes, as in the case of Pluto, it takes them over 70 years to do so. Of course, the other way to look at that is that Eris caused Pluto's demotion to Dwarf status. This probably makes Eris a troublemaker of some sort.

Funnily enough, Eris has a Moon. Her Moon is called Dysnomia. Dysnomia, is the Goddess of Lawlessness. Lucy's involved too there, via Xena a former Name. Mike Brown, one of the team who discovered Eris on scientific terms, likes that similarity in Names, and talks of it on his website in the matter (http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~mbrown/planetlila/).

There's two Erises, btw. One of them was the daughter of Zeus (Jupiter) and Juno and the sister of Ares (Mars). In antiquity, nobody loved this Eris because she was harsh and cruel and liked to spur people on to war, and then she relished the carnage which followed. So she also had another form, where she was the daughter of Nyx (Night) and Khronos (Saturn). This Eris was respected by most people, and they liked her, because she urged them on to compete with each other in non-combative ways, eg to be a better potter than one's neighbour. Personally, I think Eris B is a bit of a peasant, and prefer Eris A. Maybe Eris B was killed in some way anyway, dunno can you do that with mythological entities, or planets' characters?

Anyway, do you remember Pandora's box? The kakodaimones (evil spirits) inside that box were all said to be Eris's children. Namely:

But abhorred Eris ('Strife') bare painful Ponos ('Toil/Labor'), Lethe (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethe) ('Forgetfulness') and Limos ('Famine') and tearful Algea (Pains/Sorrows), Hysminai ('Fightings/Combats') also, Malchai ('Battles'), Phonoi ('Murders/Slaughterings'), Androctasiai ('Manslaughters'), Neikea ('Quarrels'), Pseudea ('Lies/Falsehoods'), Amphillogiai ('Disputes'), Dysnomia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dysnomia_%28mythology%29) ('Lawlessness') and Ate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ate) ('Ruin/Folly'), all of one nature, and Horkos ('Oath') who most troubles men upon earth when anyone wilfully swears a false oath.

Presumably, Lawlessness is her favourite child, as she's taken it for a Moon.

Eris has a high methane content, as frozen surface ice. Funnily enough, Pluto is the only other planet to do this. And Eris caused Pluto's demotion on Earth, remember. To me, therefore, Eris was doing 'harmonize and pass thru' on Pluto, who was her target. This makes her similar, for me, to Christina Loken, aka the T-X, from the Terminator 3 film:

http://movies.radiofree.com/reviews/images/theterm3_1.jpg

Funnily enough, Eris was for a while reffered to as 'Planet X', or 'The Tenth Planet', early on it's history. Where does the T enter into then? Well, she did Terminate Pluto's status as a Real Planet and made him a Dwarf. And heck, she's got a moon called Lawlessness.

The entirety of this post is factual, and may be refferred to scientific and nomenclature research/progress on this matter as carried out by scientific circles. Those who think it's silly, think it's silly. The Planets don't, and they are considerably bigger and more potent than human physical forms. They can throw their weight around, and do. It's called Gravity, with a big G.

Eris is not a planet to mess with, I'd say. Part of her character. Even the Lord of the Underworld, Pluto, knows that now. From a certain point of view, to quite Obi-Wan Kenobi.

Regards all,
Oazaki.

[Okazaki Castle]

Sedna was known as 'The Flying Dutchman' before being called Sedna. Does that connect to Opera then, or Amsterdam? Or does language and Names not work in that way?

Well, funnily enough, all the planet's previous Names corresponded to their astrological character pretty well. You know, Jupiter, Neptune, Venus and so on. Of course, if you don't like that because you think it's silly, then criticise the planets, aka The Olympian Gods, for it because it's their sense of humour, not mine. To be consistent in the rejection of such a position as regards Names you also have to reject the entirety of astrology as a discipline, or science, or whatever you want to classify it as.

However, the Olympian Gods, they choose to be perceived as they choose to be perceived. Mortals' opinions on the matter don't tend to matter to them... ultimately speaking. Long-term planning, sort of thing. Planets, they're good at Time Loops, and Cycles. Makes cycles easier when you're incarnacting in this system if you stay on their friendly side. Unless you're bigger and nastier than them, on all levels, of course. Physical form is physical form, it is wise to bear this in mind. Physically, planets are bigger. Even Eris, which is quite a small planet, Olympically speaking...

regards all,
Oazaki.

[Naomi]

::giggles::

[Naomi]

where she was the daughter of Nyx (Night) and Khronos (Saturn)

M. Night Shyalman's Lady In the Water

we smoked the chronic though...

Now there is only Ma'at....

Here have a hot dog.

[Frater Yechidah]

We've had a lot of these in the last four years or so. Funnily enough. Maybe the humans' scientists are seeing better... or maybe someone's playing with this solar system, and throwing things into it that weren't there to be seen before. What do you think, which possibility is the strongest?

Technology is advancing very rapidly, and we have had new discoveries of planets in the past (due to new technology), so it doesn't surprise me that we have a lot more now that we have better equipment to help us "see".

Very interesting thoughts on Eris :)

LLLSHJ,
Yechidah.

[Naomi]

Persephone is worth mentioning here - she's queen of the City of Dis, one of several 'fractured' underworld goddesses. Though not the same in function or responsibility, Persephone shares one trait with Eris in that she is "fractured" or "broken" - Lilith, another underworld goddess, is traditionally depicted this way as well.

For example, A snippet from Wikipedia, underlining her importance:

"In Hesiod (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hesiod)'s Works and Days (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_and_Days) 11–24, two different goddesses named Eris "Strife" are distinguished:

So, after all, there was not one kind of Strife alone, but all over the earth there are two. As for the one, a man would praise her when he came to understand her; but the other is blameworthy: and they are wholly different in nature.For one fosters evil war and battle, being cruel: her no man loves; but perforce, through the will of the deathless gods, men pay harsh Strife her honour due.

But the other is the elder daughter of dark Night (Nyx (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyx_%28mythology%29)), and the son of Cronus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cronus) who sits above and dwells in the aether (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether), set her in the roots of the earth: and she is far kinder to men. She stirs up even the shiftless to toil; for a man grows eager to work when he considers his neighbour, a rich man who hastens to plough and plant and put his house in good order; and neighbour vies with his neighbour as he hurries after wealth. This Strife is wholesome for men."

Eris may be closely related to Anubis, given my experiences with her up close in invocation. Persephone has a neat role in the Matrix, - one of my favorite hobbies is examining popular media for clues about the major archetypes, if they're named right, all the better! The connection between T-X Seb has made here has fascinated the hell out of me, I didn't pick up on that at the time but it makes perfect sense.

http://www.thetengu.com/abrahadabra/persephone.jpg
I want this dress.

Traditional depiction of Eris...note the partitioned and star filled gown, and the black wings:

http://www.thetengu.com/abrahadabra/eris.jpg574

Eris in the animated film, Sinbad:

http://www.fantasykat.com/ch/dg/eris.html

http://www.fantasykat.com/ch/Images/en/eris5.jpg

[deviadah]

Persephone is worth mentioning here...
Some additional information (perhaps semi-OT, yet interesting all the same):

Persephone and the Mysteries
The Mysteries were a recognized public institution, in a way much like modern Freemasonry, in the ancient world and according to Cicero taught men how to live and how to die. There were thus two rites of Eleusis, the Lesser and the Greater, the former celebrated in the spring and the latter in the fall.

The Lesser Mysteries, dedicated to Persephone, teaches therefore that man must depart from his desire for material possessions and rise above ignorance or he is doomed to wander forever making the same mistakes again and again. He will pass into death no wiser than how he passed into life and will sleep for all eternity just as he slept through his existence.

The Greater Mysteries, dedicated to their patron Ceres, tells the legend of how Persephone is abducted by Pluto , also known as Hades, and brought to the underworld to become his queen. Ceres wanders the world in quest for her daughter carrying two torches, one for intuition the other for reason, and when she finally finds her pleads to Pluto, the god of the souls of the dead, to allow her daughter to return to her. Pluto at first refuses because Persephone has eaten of the pomegranate, the fruit of mortality, but then agrees to let her live in the upper world half of the year and in the lower the other half. The solar energy, which in the winter months lives under the earth with Pluto and in the summer returns with the goddess of productiveness was what the Greeks saw Persephone as a manifestation of.

In other words the Soul is abducted and chained to the darkness of the underworld and refused its freedom because it has accepted, tasted, mortality. Freedom can only come if reason and truth is applied to the bondage of material ignorance. The soul need to enter into the light of understanding and, like the teachings of Buddha, end the cycle of rebirth to achieve a nirvana after death and in this life.

It’s only in sleep that we abandon the physical prison and enter a domain where we are free although mostly not in control i.e. we spend our waking hours in the lower world and our sleeping in the upper. Of course dreams and journeys to other worlds and dimensions can be achieved without the need of sleep in a process known as astral travel.

The Eleusinian Mysteries performed many of their ceremonies at midnight because they felt that it was at a time when the invisible worlds were the closest to the visible. Perhaps also because it was at a time when the brain was supposed to be asleep and thus nearer to that state of receptiveness. It is in the dream, and more so in the waking dream, that we are closest to the threshold of our own consciousness.

Hades and Persephone
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/haifa/h05.jpg

[Kuroyagi]

she wears a very well cut dress....

[Luke Saint]

Some additional information (perhaps semi-OT, yet interesting all the same):

Persephone and the Mysteries
The Mysteries were a recognized public institution, in a way much like modern Freemasonry, in the ancient world and according to Cicero taught men how to live and how to die. There were thus two rites of Eleusis, the Lesser and the Greater, the former celebrated in the spring and the latter in the fall.

The Lesser Mysteries, dedicated to Persephone, teaches therefore that man must depart from his desire for material possessions and rise above ignorance or he is doomed to wander forever making the same mistakes again and again. He will pass into death no wiser than how he passed into life and will sleep for all eternity just as he slept through his existence.

The Greater Mysteries, dedicated to their patron Ceres, tells the legend of how Persephone is abducted by Pluto , also known as Hades, and brought to the underworld to become his queen. Ceres wanders the world in quest for her daughter carrying two torches, one for intuition the other for reason, and when she finally finds her pleads to Pluto, the god of the souls of the dead, to allow her daughter to return to her. Pluto at first refuses because Persephone has eaten of the pomegranate, the fruit of mortality, but then agrees to let her live in the upper world half of the year and in the lower the other half. The solar energy, which in the winter months lives under the earth with Pluto and in the summer returns with the goddess of productiveness was what the Greeks saw Persephone as a manifestation of.

In other words the Soul is abducted and chained to the darkness of the underworld and refused its freedom because it has accepted, tasted, mortality. Freedom can only come if reason and truth is applied to the bondage of material ignorance. The soul need to enter into the light of understanding and, like the teachings of Buddha, end the cycle of rebirth to achieve a nirvana after death and in this life.

It’s only in sleep that we abandon the physical prison and enter a domain where we are free although mostly not in control i.e. we spend our waking hours in the lower world and our sleeping in the upper. Of course dreams and journeys to other worlds and dimensions can be achieved without the need of sleep in a process known as astral travel.

The Eleusinian Mysteries performed many of their ceremonies at midnight because they felt that it was at a time when the invisible worlds were the closest to the visible. Perhaps also because it was at a time when the brain was supposed to be asleep and thus nearer to that state of receptiveness. It is in the dream, and more so in the waking dream, that we are closest to the threshold of our own consciousness.

Hades and Persephone
http://web.uvic.ca/grs/bowman/myth/images/haifa/h05.jpg
Very educational my friend. Thanks for the wisdom. Peace.