Wild Dagga?

[Luciftias]

How many people here experiment with Entheogens and/or psychoactive plants? Has anyone experienced the effects of Wild Dagga (Leonotis Leonurus)? It's a legal herb originating from Africa. It is supposed to be a mild sedative and intoxicant.

Apparently the preferred method of use is to smoke the dried flowers or if you only have leaves, to chew the leaves. From what I've read, the extracts tend not to be as effective as the actual plant. Some people compare the effects to marijuana, but others say that it is quite different. I think every Erowid trip record (http://www.erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Leonotis_leonurus.shtml) I've read has said that it is more mild than marijuana as well. It makes me wonder how much of their perceived results are from the placebo effect, how much is from smoke inhalation and how much is genuinely derived from consuming (smoking or eating) active components of the plant.

I've decided to order some wild dagga flowers so that I can experience it for myself. I'll try and be as objective as possible and I'll let you all know what my results are.

In Darkness Visible,
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[m1thr0s]

never heard of it till just now Luciftias...but I will be very interested in your follow-up report...

don't forget the golden rule: "close cover before striking"...rofl...

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

Any update on this yet?

[Luciftias]

Sorry, I haven't even ordered it yet. I've been living without a credit card forever and I haven't found any places selling wild dagga that accept paypal. I'm going to get a pre-paid credit card next week and use that. I'll definitely be posting my experience report here when I get it and try it.

Jeremy Crow

[Luke Saint]

In my opinion it's almost entirely placebo. My experiments with the dagga were reminiscent of my trials with smoking catnip (which is NO GOOD). The closest I've come to a good legal herbal high was with nutmeg. But that's another topic so I digress... Hopefully you have more luck than I did. Peace.

[Luciftias]

Hey, thanks for reminding me of this thread.

I did end up ordering some stuff from iamshaman (https://www.iamshaman.net/affiliatewiz/aw.aspx?A=931&Task=Click), including wild dagga flowers. The day it arrived, my gf and I tried it out. Here is my report:

May 4/2007

6:00pm: each started drinking a bottle of Sleeman's Honey Brown Lager (341mL @ 5.2% alcohol)


6:15pm: rolled a ciggarette of 0.4 grams "Blueberry Bud" and 0.2 grams of Whisker City Premium Catnip in a Juicy Jay's Blueberry flavored paper (1 1/4")
6:21pm: started smoking
6:30pm: finished smoking cig and drinking 2/3rd of beer

6:36pm: definitely feel something. Mild narcotic effect, plus slight physical tingle. No visuals, even with eyes closed. Tasted ok.

6:50pm: started smoking wild lettuce resin in a pipe and already feel something.

7:00pm: I am feeling quite stoned. Stood up to grab my sweater (was sitting close to the air conditioner) and felt a strong head rush - even saw a few stars! I am aware of my heart beating.

7:15pm: rolled a cig containing wild dagga flowers and a small amount of catnip and tobacco. Total weight of cig is .5 grams

7:35pm: smoked cig and finished first bottle of beer. Cig was a little bit harsh. I feel a standard intoxicating effect. The beer may have helped, but considering how slow I drank it, I'm sure it is minimal.

That was the last entry.

Conclusions: Didn't really separate each product out, so I can't really say how much each thing had an effect. However, we did feel quite stoned after the wild lettuce resin, and further experiments have convinced me that it has the strongest effect. Catnip on it's own does give a mild buzz that isn't just placebo. Wild dagga flowers weren't that impressive. The "Blueberry bud" product, a blend of about 5 different legal herbs, was pretty good, although mild. Smoking a lot of it does have a very real effect. I would buy the blueberry bud again. If you are a marijuana smoker and have a limited supply, mixing with the blueberry bud is a great way to stretch it out - much better than tobacco for mixing in my opinion. I also liked the catnip, however it gives my gf a headache.

I've got a small sample of salvia divinorum extract (10x strength, if I remember correctly) but haven't gotten up the guts to try it yet. The friend I got it from claimed a very intense and somewhat disturbing experience.

[m1thr0s]

I've got a small sample of salvia divinorum extract (10x strength, if I remember correctly) but haven't gotten up the guts to try it yet. The friend I got it from claimed a very intense and somewhat disturbing experience.
Salvia seems to be very unpredictable that way...some get very strong reactions, others hardly any. There's a very good chance that cultivating it yourself is the only way to go. Storebought Salvia seems to be lacking something for whatever reason...

m1thr0s

[Oblio]

Yeah, there's not much way to tell whether the 10x is actually 10x... might I recommend DMT?

Oh, and you're probably aware, but with DMT (and probably Salvia as well) you need to draw deeply and consistently (can't really puff puff give :laugh:)

[Luke Saint]

I apologize, I am a high tolerance person who knows too much for his own good about such matters. Try datura, just make sure you do enough and are prepared to be "gone" for three whole days straight.

[Koningkaas]

Dagga is pretty much a overbreeded weedplant that live's by the roads in south africa, it is FAR less strong Marijuana , and ofcourse the other stronger psychedelics
Out of eveything ive smoken, it was the weakest of all..
Better to take a herb mix, or get some mary..
Stuff is legal here, can buy 5 grams for 15$.

Also google Erowid, its the biggest drugs-database online

Also salvia too , is a bit(a bit!?!) hyped by the people, i have tryed it three times now, some 5X 10X en 15X (yes i all bought it myself , and made good proportions for smoking) , trough a straight hitting pipe, without tobbaco or anything, and i couldnt get stoneder then i get off a joint...

If u want to space, buy Shrooms, Aya or some pills and have fun haha.

[Luke Saint]

Dagga is pretty much a overbreeded weedplant that live's by the roads in south africa, it is FAR less strong Marijuana , and ofcourse the other stronger psychedelics
Out of eveything ive smoken, it was the weakest of all..
Better to take a herb mix, or get some mary..
Stuff is legal here, can buy 5 grams for 15$.

Also google Erowid, its the biggest drugs-database online

Also salvia too , is a bit(a bit!?!) hyped by the people, i have tryed it three times now, some 5X 10X en 15X (yes i all bought it myself , and made good proportions for smoking) , trough a straight hitting pipe, without tobbaco or anything, and i couldnt get stoneder then i get off a joint...

If u want to space, buy Shrooms, Aya or some pills and have fun haha.

I agree about the salvia. I tried that Emerald Sage Goddess crap that's supposed to be the 'Queen 'O Salvia' and I didn't get shit!! I still will try the extracts but I prefer herb too. Alcohol and herb mixed is the best too!! Just make sure you get a surly buzz on the alcohol, then smoke a bowl... bam! Like magick everytime. I also like... heroin and/or oxycontin with herb. Not that I would recommend it!!! Coke sucks but base is good. Never, ever try datura! That and diphenhydramine and/or dimenhydrinate. Bad bad. Peace.

[Neshamah]

Salvia and I are old friends. Be careful with extracts (10x and higher) if you've never had Salvia before as the experience can be overwhelming.

I have my own method of using Salvia which involves 190 proof Everclear and some papertowels. If anyone is interested, let me know.

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,

Neshamah

PS: I don't care much for Wild Dagga. The results of using it are not worth the effort, in my opinion.

Edit: I thought I'd add that I don't use the Shamanic substances to "get high;" I use them for the visionary experience, so that might help you understand where I'm coming from here. I don't drink alcohol (since I'm an alcoholic) and I don't use cannabis (because I don't like it). I do like psylocibin mushrooms, Amanita Muscara, Wormwood, Salvia, and a few other psychoactive herbs. Maybe that will help you undestand my approach to the whole issue. -- Neshamah

[Koningkaas]

Salvia and I are old friends. Be careful with extracts (10x and higher) if you've never had Salvia before as the experience can be overwhelming.

I have my own method of using Salvia which involves 190 proof Everclear and some papertowels. If anyone is interested, let me know.

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,


Well it gets you what the descriptions say it should do, i would like to know your method, since it should be a real strong drug, i really couldnt get very high off it trough a screened sraight pipe...

If im correct it should give you some feelings and some-times visions like shrooms/aya do , only not that strong ofcourse, and not long lasting.

So i would like to try ur method.

[Luke Saint]

Well it gets you what the descriptions say it should do, i would like to know your method, since it should be a real strong drug, i really couldnt get very high off it trough a screened sraight pipe...

If im correct it should give you some feelings and some-times visions like shrooms/aya do , only not that strong ofcourse, and not long lasting.

So i would like to try ur method.
Just beware you are not what is termed a "Salvia hardhead".

[Koningkaas]

Well i think i am lol..

Im gonna try it again in a week, was in a headshop just n hour ago and they had the 10x and 15x in stock so i bought both.
Ive found some links for using Salvia in different ways for hardheads, so ill post my experience's if i have any.

http://www.evenmo.com/salviabreakthrough.html

[Luke Saint]

Sounds like fun. Let us know as I am most interested in obtaining a meaningful experience with Salvia. Peace.

[Neshamah]

The main thing to remember about Salvia is the way that the Mazatec Indians used it - they make a "quid" out of 12-20 leaves and leave that in their mouths for at least 30 minutes (under the tongue when it is not being chewed). If you want to get the best experience from Salvia, use it the way the Mazatecs did.

This is the way I prepare it:

First, the ingredients:
You'll need one ounce of dried Salvia leaves (I get mine from IAMShaman).
You'll need a 750ml bottle of 190 proof grain alcohol (if you use anything with less alcohol content you won't get as strong a product).
You'll need some high quality paper towels cut into long strips. Don't use low quality paper towels as the result will be pathetic. Get something like "Viva" brand, something that feels almost like cloth. The higher quality the better your product.
You'll need a long glass pan, such as a Pyrex cooking pan.

Now, grind most of the leaves into a powder using a coffee grinder, or a food processor. Put the rest of the leaves aside, for soaking later, or for smoking.

Put the powdered leaves into the bottle of alcohol (you'll have to take some of the alcohol out first to make room for the powder). Let this stand for at least a week, shaking the bottle at least once a day (up to three times a day, if you think of it). The end of the week, let the bottle sit all day long, to allow all the powder to settle to the bottom of the bottle.

Take the paper towels, one sheet at a time, and cut the sheet into 5 strips, about 1-2" in width.

Place these strips in the glass pan (so they lie flat in the pan), then gently pour some of the alcohol into the pan being careful to get as little powder as possible. Straighten out the strips and adjust the level of the liquid so it is completely covering the strips, but just barely (pour any excess back into the bottle).

Now, let the strips soak up all the liquid and then dry. In order to facilitate this, you can use a fan, blowing over the pan (not directly into it). This will cause the alcohol to evaporate fairly quickly.

When the strips are dry (they should be a nice color green) pour more liquid over them, as before. Let the alcohol dry as before. Continue doing this 4 or 5 times, or until the strips are absolutely saturated with the green residue (not wet). They should feel almost greasy to the touch (from the residue of the leaves, essential oils, etc.).

Now, roll the paper towels into rolls and wet them slightly with water. Place them in your mouth, under your tounge (for best absorption into the blood strem) and leave them there for 30 - 35 minutes. Occasionally, you can gently chew the rolls to help release the residue into your mouth. You can swallow or spit it out, it doesn't really matter since Salvinorum A isn't absorbed by the stomach or intestines (only by the lining of the mouth).

If there are any questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,

Neshamah

PS: Salvinorum A isn't transferred to the lungs unless the leaf is burned at a VERY high temperature. This is why most smokers of Salvia use water pipes or hookas, in order to cool the smoke.

[Luke Saint]

But the extracts are so much more convenient... Oh, I see. One must never look for convenience in spirtual endeavors. You are most right in stating that quid form is the best way to experience what the ancients felt. I just am against anything that isn't smoked or drinkin down in a second. Shine on!!

[Neshamah]

Salvia is definitely not a "party drug," as the best results are obtained in complete silence and subdued lighting. However, if one is interested in opening spiritual pathways and speaking to entities that are a part of the spiritual dimensions above our own, Savlia Divinorum is one of the best herbs available.

There is nothing like Salvia; there aren't any other drugs or herbs that have the same effect. But, it does have to be approached with a certain amount of "reverence."

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,

Neshamah

[Luke Saint]

Salvia is definitely not a "party drug," as the best results are obtained in complete silence and subdued lighting. However, if one is interested in opening spiritual pathways and speaking to entities that are a part of the spiritual dimensions above our own, Savlia Divinorum is one of the best herbs available.

There is nothing like Salvia; there aren't any other drugs or herbs that have the same effect. But, it does have to be approached with a certain amount of "reverence."

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,

Neshamah
I envy you. I have taken salvia in all its forms. 5x, 10x, and 15x extracts. Plus the Sage Goddess crap of a tincture. I just want to know what it's like to trip that hard. I suppose that I shall have to get DMT. But someone said that LSA is in the tryptamine family, not true, and I will try 5-HTP. It is good for boosting Serotonin. If you want to discuss drugs on a rational level, I'm your man. Just know that I like crack much more than coke... Peace.

[Naomi]

Datura is the shit it is taking over my rosebush out front.

I havn't smoked it though, lol

Do you guys ever look at flowers instead of just smoking them? :\

[Neshamah]

I use Shamanic herbs rarely and with purpose.

There was a time (about 30 years ago) when I used everything available (and in 1977, believe me a LOT was available). I no longer have the desire nor the energy to use drugs like that.

And, I absolutely LOVE to smell the flowers, NaomiChan. I have a wife with a green thumb and flowers all over my yard. :)

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,

Neshamah

[Luke Saint]

Datura is the shit it is taking over my rosebush out front.

I havn't smoked it though, lol

Do you guys ever look at flowers instead of just smoking them? :\
I never tried smoking them. The flowers do look like satan's trumpets and if you ever took the drug you would know why. It does take over all it sees. I advise nobody to EVER take it. It is death. You wanna know what it's like to be dead? Take Datura. You wanna be a lost soul? Take datura. Peace.

[Luke Saint]

"blind as a bat, mad as a hatter, red as a beet, hot as a hare, dry as a bone, the bowel and bladder lose their tone, and the heart runs alone"
I took an entire seedpod of the drug and tried to kill my step-dad with a screwdriver. If you want to know I am a most unviolent person. Never take datura. I say that as a drugee, a drinker, a philosopher and a live human being.

[Koningkaas]

LSA is really cool, i chewed a bunch of those seeds and it hitted me pretty hard, i dont do crack nor coke, although ive tried coke.

[Luke Saint]

LSA is pussy to datura. http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_info5.shtml
Go fly a kite. Pot is pussy drug comapred to datura.

[Luke Saint]

LSA is pussy to datura. http://www.erowid.org/plants/datura/datura_info5.shtml
Go fly a kite. Pot is pussy drug comapred to datura.
Oh, for the record this post is not aimed at anyone here. My writings are at times inflected with suicidal tendencies. Translation: I was thinking out loud when I wrote this. Peace people.

[Neshamah]

I agree that Datura is best left for those with a LOT of experience with entheogens and psychoactive plants in general.

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,

Neshamah

[Naomi]

I love suicide girls. They rule. <eg>

[Koningkaas]

Well.. if u take the time, u dont need that many diff drugs, just let it get out of your system *wich can take weeks/months* and have fun again, it should hit you pretty hard again hehe its what i mostly do with XTC around here , u can get pills from 1$ a piece, so its pretty hard to not take more every now and then.... but i do alright..

I havent tryed datura, wouldnt think of trying it either hehe.

[Naomi]

...and that's why you're smart than me isn't it?

[Koningkaas]

yes?

(wtf)

[Naomi]

:D

[Koningkaas]

YEAAHEAAH

YEEHEAAHH


WHATTT

WHATTT

little pills - Kabosh

MY GOD

ITS RAINING IN MY MIND, ANOTHER STORM ANOTHER DAYYY, THESE LIL PILLS THEY CHANGE MY MIND, CUZ THEY DONT MAKE IT GOO AWAYY, ITS RAINING IN MY HEADD, ANOTHER STORM ANOTHER DAYYYY.

(Tech N9ne)
Let's find a way to run away from life full of pain and strife
What direction I'm goin I can't tell now
Mr. 720 N9na tells me I'm hellbound
The IRS is on my ass for the check that I didn't cash
And the levy from child support feel like I fell down
So I'm lookin for ecstacy pills, Tech is the next to be thrilled
Seconds from method we ill daily
My brain's cookin the recipe will beckon the best in me kill
Sections of steppin I feel crazy
Hit the club in the night, with a little bit of drug in my life
But I'ma show lovin in real hy--phy I'm deliverin
Put my seed out my sight, separated from my wife
In the middle of a crisis, I'm high, shakin and shiverin
Rollin balls, I'm elated I'm goin dumb now
Drinkin liquor, I'm faded and havin fun now
Loaded gun and I'm trippin with everyone around
Keep me stuck in the sky I never wanna come down

KRATOM is de shizzznit haha!

When u do drugs, ull see the world in a diff perspective, FACT!

[Luke Saint]

YEAAHEAAH

YEEHEAAHH


WHATTT

WHATTT

little pills - Kabosh

MY GOD

ITS RAINING IN MY MIND, ANOTHER STORM ANOTHER DAYYY, THESE LIL PILLS THEY CHANGE MY MIND, CUZ THEY DONT MAKE IT GOO AWAYY, ITS RAINING IN MY HEADD, ANOTHER STORM ANOTHER DAYYYY.

(Tech N9ne)
Let's find a way to run away from life full of pain and strife
What direction I'm goin I can't tell now
Mr. 720 N9na tells me I'm hellbound
The IRS is on my ass for the check that I didn't cash
And the levy from child support feel like I fell down
So I'm lookin for ecstacy pills, Tech is the next to be thrilled
Seconds from method we ill daily
My brain's cookin the recipe will beckon the best in me kill
Sections of steppin I feel crazy
Hit the club in the night, with a little bit of drug in my life
But I'ma show lovin in real hy--phy I'm deliverin
Put my seed out my sight, separated from my wife
In the middle of a crisis, I'm high, shakin and shiverin
Rollin balls, I'm elated I'm goin dumb now
Drinkin liquor, I'm faded and havin fun now
Loaded gun and I'm trippin with everyone around
Keep me stuck in the sky I never wanna come down

KRATOM is de shizzznit haha!

When u do drugs, ull see the world in a diff perspective, FACT!
*bangs gavel*
This meeting is adjourned.

[Luciftias]

I've read in a couple places, and was told by the couple who gave me a sample of 10x extract, that Salvia, if smoked, should be burned in a pipe or hookah with a butane torch style lighter. The flame gets much hotter than a standard match or lighter flame and will volatize certain active components with higher vaporization temperatures. The heater of a cigarette rolled of the leaves is two cold and so is the flame of a standard bic lighter, a zippo or a match. Apparently you can get some strong results with the colder flame, but you aren't getting all of the alkaloids. These two friends smoked the extract with a mini-blowtorch type lighter and got a very intense and quite difficult at times. Both forgot they had taken the entheogen, both had OBE's from it and one had a whole death-rebirth experience. Funny thing is that the guy who had the rebirth was smoking Salvia for the first time and didn't know that it could be anywhere near as intense.

[Luke Saint]

I've read in a couple places, and was told by the couple who gave me a sample of 10x extract, that Salvia, if smoked, should be burned in a pipe or hookah with a butane torch style lighter. The flame gets much hotter than a standard match or lighter flame and will volatize certain active components with higher vaporization temperatures. The heater of a cigarette rolled of the leaves is two cold and so is the flame of a standard bic lighter, a zippo or a match. Apparently you can get some strong results with the colder flame, but you aren't getting all of the alkaloids. These two friends smoked the extract with a mini-blowtorch type lighter and got a very intense and quite difficult at times. Both forgot they had taken the entheogen, both had OBE's from it and one had a whole death-rebirth experience. Funny thing is that the guy who had the rebirth was smoking Salvia for the first time and didn't know that it could be anywhere near as intense.
Very true my friend. A mini blowtorch is needed to get the full Salvia experience. And yes, I agree that it is funny when someone takes a drug and gets more out of it then they ever thought possible. As long as they don't get hurt it's a pretty cool thing. Try using a vaporizer for salvia and cannabis. You can get them for a decent price online. Peace.

[Naomi]

I just put a leaf of Datura with a sprig of chinese wisteria on it - it's the only flower in bloom in my garden atm. Very pretty. It gives me great mental satisfaction to look at as I write.

Salvia has a very yang feel to it. I remember that salvia amongst the native people I know more about is used for cleansing strictly, while sweet grass, on the other hand, is used to beckon entities. It is much more pleasing to the scent as well. Just a hint for those who ever mix smoke and magic (of course I know you guys do) I would go so far as to say the importance of Salvia and Hierochloe (sweetgrass) stand as the sort of Yang and Yin of native american lore - though you'll get asswipes who typically won't even go near drawing associations to any parallells because it taints the ancestral religions (both religion and ancestors are dead, and only one has any say in my life lol)

This isn't continent wide though, they've adopted Salvia in the NW they mainly use male cedar for cleansing - fresh, not burnt, also....(the male trees have branches that move diagonally up away from the trunk) We don't have cedars here though.

just some random native stuff since I usually don't reveal much of it...

[Luke Saint]

One time I ate an entire seedpod of Datura Stramonium and went to work... The next thing I remembered was waking up at home and was soaked in urine. I went to work that night and was told I was fired. I have no clue what I did or how I got home... Datura sure is a pretty flower. Peace.

[Koningkaas]

Geez

I aint hitting that stuff...

I got some nice MDMA capsules, wich will be my drug for tommorow :D

[Luke Saint]

Geez

I aint hitting that stuff...

I got some nice MDMA capsules, wich will be my drug for tommorow :D
I'm glad that you will never touch Datura, I am upset that you have MethyleneDiOxyMethAmphetamine and I do not... Peace.

[Naomi]

Arn't you worried about damaging your brains? I'm the kind of person who won't even touch a tylenol if I can avoid it.

Seriously guys. Meth? What the hell. I mean what the hell!

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/drugs/methamphetamine/

[Luke Saint]

Arn't you worried about damaging your brains? I'm the kind of person who won't even touch a tylenol if I can avoid it.

Seriously guys. Meth? What the hell. I mean what the hell!

http://www.rotten.com/library/crime/drugs/methamphetamine/

Naomi, I assure you that Meth does hurt your brain. I will also assure that I have never done E in my life. I would do it in a heartbeat, but have never done it. That is the honest, swear to Bob (As the Rugrats used to say) truth!!! Long live legalization of 'good drugs'!!! (oxymoron)

[Luke Saint]

Listen to "Put You Down" by Alice In Chains...

[Neshamah]

Update: Since my earlier post on Wild Dagga I tried some 25x Wild Dagga resin. I am therefore revising my opinion to say that Dagga is very good for achieving a mental state condusive to meditation (focused, calm, euphoric, etc.). I added the resin to a bowl of Sacred Blue Lily Flowers and resin (10x) and then meditated for the next hour and a half. It was certainly functional as a meditative aid, and quite pleasurable, as well. ;)

Love and Light for a Peace Profound,

Ab. Neshamah