Unique Geomantic Shields

[Frater Pyramidatus]

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I have just spent the last four hours reading abrahadabra.com and I am very impressed by your dedication, indeed - Perserverance Furthers.

I would be very surprised if you had not covered Geomancy (vide Liber 96) in your researches. I am not sure if you know about the fact that certain Geomantic sheilds contain all of the Figures once, that being the fifteen Figures except Populus. I am admittedly not the first to know this, I guess, but I did work them out for myself using Microsoft Excel. Sadly the software used is no longer extant (drive problems). The other thing I do not know is if there are more than 12 such U.G.S.s - if not I suppose they could be tied in with the 12 'Sephira' of the ABRAHADABRA system.

So starting with the first 'Mother' proceeding to the fourth they are:

1 - Acquisitio/Puella/Albus/Fortuna Major
2 - Caput Draconis/Amissio/Fortuna Major/Tristitia
3 - Cauda Draconis/Caput Draconis/Tristitia/Albus
4 - Conjunctio/Puella/Fortuna Major/Tristitia
5 - Fortuna Minor/Rubeus/Puer/Amissio
6 - Laetitia/Fortuna Minor/Puer/Conjunctio
7 - Puella/Puer/Tristitia/Albus
8 - Puella/Cauda Draconis/Tristitia/Albus
9 - Puer/Caput Dracons/Tristitia/Albus
10 - Rubeus/Laetitia/Cauda Draconis/Caput Draconis
11 - Rubeus/Laetitia/Puella/Puer
12 - Rubeus/Latititia/Cauda Draconis/Puella

I hope this is useful for you.

There is another useful arrangement as well:

GEOMANTIC QEMEA

Caput Draconis Populus Carcer Cauda Draconis

Puella Acquisitio Fortuna Minor Rubeu
Albus Fortuna Major Amissio Puer

Tristitia Via Conjunctio Laetitia


This arrangement places the sixteen figures in such a way that we get 24 points on each horizontal/vertical/diagonal cross section, as well as 24 points in the central four figures, and also on the outer four squares.

Let me know what you think!

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[m1thr0s]

9³ Frater Pyramidatus,

thank you very much for your comments. the whole point of bringing this work forward at this time is based on a strong sense that certain very key elements of Abrahadabra have been overlooked and need to be examined by those exploring these possibilities sooner than later. Certainly Crowley's own work was very strong but I can only imagine that Ra Hoor Khut is stronger. For an archetype of this magnitude to do service to a word which has been lying around in the dirt for over a thousand years (that we know of) has always suggested to me that there must be mysteries surrounding it that we may have missed. One has to wonder what kind of magickal word would really be of much interest to a god of war (and science). By assuming the form as well as I was able I arrived at the idea that such a word would have to hold the keys to an entire stellar technology of some remarkable kind not clearly understood by most, or even any necessarily, at this time. Thus far those initial impressions seem to have led me into profitable territory indeed... One has to be very careful of course...advances of this sort have a great many tests to pass through before we can confidently conclude anything at all. So far, so good I think...

I am not specifically aware of the geomantic applications you have outlined. It would be very helpful to see an actual image if you happen to have one on file or might be able to piece one together. I have of course explored a range of issues with respect to geomancy but time has always been a bit of an issue so that I have stayed fairly close to my own areas of investigation, those being urgent enough and dynamic enough to warrant my full attention.

It's great to see another code-cracker on the case! Welcome to the Forums and I hope you find that your participation here advances your own path in things...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Hello Frater Pyramidatus,

Your Glossary of Thelema looks great...

Maybe it could be 'hosted' (and archived) here...?

[Frater Pyramidatus]

Firstly, I have not got any actual decent diagrams of the Unique Geomantic Shields,or the Geomantic Qemea, but give me couple of weeks and maybe I could spend the time (and also buy a scanner), to come up with something. Again I should state that I don't know if there are more than 12 permutations out of 65 536, so anything like that could potentially be grossly mistaken; but I just think if you wait for everything to be perfect then nothing would ever get done! And I extend my gratitude to the site host for such a quick response to my thread.

Hosting the Glossary would be cool, it is already in the public domain - it is kind of like my thesis, or Crowley PhD or something - it is just a compilation of other work. I begun it as part of an OTO obligation - I never joined the OTO but I did finish the book, lol. It is a Microsoft Word file with about 17 different font files that you will need to install to view it properly - I am not a computer whizz and I don't know if it could be hosted or whatever. I have tried in vain to find a PDF converter that actually works with it.

I just hope someone can give me some ideas on how to use the U.G.S.s. Gimme a little while and I will try to put it into a more diagrammatic format; apart from that all I can say is read Liber 96 in the Thelemic syllabus.

The will to love is the law to live.

Frater Pyramidatus.

[m1thr0s]

Here the .pdf file if anybody needs it.

Good to have this one on tap anyway...

Liber XCVI (96) (http://abrahadabra.com/pdf/liber.xcvi.pdf)

m1thr0s

[Kain]

Thanks for adding that m1thr0s.

Frater Pyramidatus, welcome to Abrahadabra Forums, very good to have you among us!

Kain

[Frater Pyramidatus]

Here is a jpeg that illustrates the Geomantic Qemea that I outlined a week ago.

[m1thr0s]

that's interesting Frater Pyramidatus.
I guess I have worked with this stuff more than I thought.
I think the language has been throwing me a little...

Here's one that's sort of a staple in my own collection...

http://abrahadabra.com/images/koj.basic.jpg

I actually have maybe a dozen or more variations on this. In the Chinese system, the 16 geomantic characters correspond to the 16 binary tetragrams. If you are unfamiliar with this, these are traditional looking I-Ching characters but instead of 6 lines yin or yang, there are only 4, hence tetra-grams... The advantage of that system is that these characters can be arranged numerically chronologically, as can the geomantic characters themselves once you know the method. So here, in the traditional Kamea of Jupiter, the characters are aligned chronologically but placed in their magickal square positions. This can be used either as a very dynamic shield or as an invokation/evokation tool...

I don't think this is quite the same thing you are exploring but it may yield a clue to something you could utilize...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I have a difficult time with the idea of pulling 12 out of the 16 just to accomodate astrological houses. The problem is that geomancy is a whole numerical system so if you just use parts of it and omit other parts you really have something entirely different going on. I don't care for the idea of using partials on stuff like this...there are other ways we can go...like Banners for instance...that happen to fit the twelve houses exactly.

Who decides which 12 of the 16 are more deserving than the others and why? I fail to see a clear logic distinguishing 12 from 16 here. It's always possible I may have missed something but my gut feeling is that it will be an arbitrary selection process and I simply don't find these to be reliable.

edit: I realize there is a certain historical precedent though so I am attempting to withhold judgment until I can determine how the selection process has been done in the past. On the face of it it strikes me as a classic example of trying to force square pegs into round holes.

m1thr0s

[Frater Pyramidatus]

Actually I am not sure if there are only 12 Shields like this, as I said earlier. And who says that you have to get 12 from 16? I thought it would be better to tie them in with the 12 'Sephira' of ABRAHADABRA - but who knows. As promised I have put the actual figures into jpgs (a friend told my about the 'PrtScSysRq' button yesterday). Oh, it looks like I will have to post another two replies because the maximum file attachment is five files...

[Frater Pyramidatus]

Some more files...

[Frater Pyramidatus]

And the last two...

[m1thr0s]

Actually I am not sure if there are only 12 Shields like this, as I said earlier. And who says that you have to get 12 from 16? I thought it would be better to tie them in with the 12 'Sephira' of ABRAHADABRA - but who knows.ok...I guess I am not quite seeing what you are after here then. In general, my own preference with closed mathematical systems such as the geomantic characters is to use all the characters together in one form or another. Particularly if we are talking shields...why would you want any mathematical holes in your shielding? The system is at its strongest when all parts are present and accounted for.

This type of matrix, for instance, would tend to be my first choice in things...

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because it utilizes all of the characters working as one... there are also 16 chambers both in the triangles and the square.

m1thr0s

[Frater Pyramidatus]

I suppose it would be better if all the geomantic figures were used - in some ways. In sharing this data I was not trying to supplement the diagrams in abrahadabra.com as such - I just thought my discoveries were quite original (I have never seen them anywhere else) and that it was the spirit of 'mutational alchemy' (ie. new ideas essentially) rather than adhering to what I am beginning to perceive as a kind of geometrical totalitarianism (ie. more pseudo-discoveries that 'fit in' with the corpus of material in abrahadabra.com).

By the way I use the term 'shield' as a conventional term found in other books on geomancy rather than a metaphor for an astral defense.

In some ways I am very much to blame for the weak way I potray the Unique Geomantic Sheilds - I am the first to admit that I am hoping to collaborate with more experienced Qabalists and mathematicians to make up for my lack of imagination - I mean what did I do apart from spend two weeks with Microsoft Excel do discover these 12 permutations? So I admit that I am only providing an incomplete skeleton, and that I have not thought through any 'correspondences' that slot into place as such. I must admit that I have not even memorised the configurations themselves. Perhaps I should go back to the drawing board, I really dont know.

93.

[m1thr0s]

I want to rephrase my last response here Frater Pyramidatus, because I think we are possibly gravitating in an unprofitable direction in general.

I need you to explain what you mean by the term *geometrical totalitarianism* since this is an inherently confrontational sounding term and I want to make sure I understand what you are trying to say.

Thus far, I have only been trying to ascertain what exactly you are trying to do with geomantic shielding. I have no interest in whether you are or are not in compliance with anything I happen to do per se. Honestly, I couldn't care less, save only as a matter of understanding differences and similarities in modes of thought. I should have thought that was obvious but you seem to be accusing me, or perhaps this site in general, of having a very different agenda than is actually the case.

You have not been very clear thus far. Your language has been obscure and your examples sketchy. I have only been trying to get clear with you what you are shooting at. I don't give a rats ass if you do as I do per se...why should I? The entire tone of my conversation with you has been peer-to-peer...not teacher to student, nor am I concerned at all if your model is the same as mine. I explain my priorities in the expectation that you will clarify your own...no other strings attached.

It is possible you are simply not accustomed to this caliber of intellectual exchange and thus imagine I am trying to convince you of something. People make this mistake with me more than I would like because I have very strong opinions and they are often very well developed, involving a lot of research time and so on. In point of fact I assume that you are only interested in following your own star to the best of your ability and I am not interested in judging or superseding that in any way. There is simply no profit in that either to me or to you. This discussion can only possibly achieve a certain amount of clarification of principles in general...it cannot determine the course of either of our paths in and of itself.

so...what kind of godamm *totalitarianism* is rooted in this approach to things? I think you have very possibly misread a few things about me and about the purpose of this site. We are all free-thinking individuals around here that enjoy a certain synchronistic interaction. Nobody is leading anybody around by the nose and no one is interested in being thus led.

You are perhaps aware of the phrase "As brothers fight ye!" (?). Well that's what's going on with these forums.

m1thr0s

[Frater Pyramidatus]

Sorry for upsetting you, I suspect we are both more 'obsessed' with our own slants on the numerical mathemagical whatevers.

Give me another couple of weeks to read some more of the posts on abrahadabra.com; I admit I have only read the original material that you came up with...

Anyway I don't want to argue - I posted my stuff on Unique Geomantic Shields in the hope that someone else would have heard of them and point me in the right direction. I have every respect for this website - but like I said I still have to read the posts on the forum to form a more mature opinion, but then again we all know the inherent dangers in being opinionated.

Maybe the term 'totalitarian' was harsh - I think the real psychology was that I didn't have scores of people rushing into the thread to tell me how wonderful my Unique Geomantic Sheilds were!

But like I say give me a couple of weeks to read up and I'll get back to you.

[m1thr0s]

We're still a small forum Frater Pyramidatus, despite appearances (many posts etc). Original work takes time for people to respond to and the more background they have on your ideas the sooner you will get responses. Many of my own ideas are only just now becoming clear to people who have been following my rants for years...literally.

I just want you to understand that no one is expecting you to cow-tow to anybody else's ideas...not mine or anybody else's. At the same time, people with strong ideas shouldn't have to pussy-foot around in some sort of apologetic manner either.

Give it some time. You are certainly welcome here in any case.

m1thr0s