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Izabael
04-09-2007, 01:03 AM
Hello,

My name is Izabael. Some of you may be familiar with the demon of that name. I am her current High Priestess if you allow me the somewhat pompous appellation.

In my blog (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.ListAll&friendID=89439205&MyToken=0f713a30-e4fb-4c63-b73c-6abe4d8a8da4ML), which is not always about magickal subjects, I am going to be doing a series of blogs related to magick. I thought some of you here might find it interesting or have things to contribute.

I'm writing to a less hardcore and more mainstream audience than you guys here, so don't kill me for some of the oversimplifications. I tried my best to reach a happy middle ground as far as having a scholarly vs. conversational tone.

This first one is probably way too simple for you guys here, but my next one will be a little more challenging. There's probably still even typos in it since it's pretty fresh and I haven't tweaked it completely.

In case any one is wondering why I'm doing these: It's because I have to. It's part of my magickal training. Magister Pamphage will kick my ass if don't.

Also I have a feeling some people might want this in Chaos Magick or somewhere else. I'd like a to make a case for it here as I've been Thelemically trained, but know very little about Chaos Magick even if some of the ideas seem like they are good fit there.

xoxo,
Izabael


Izabael's Magickal Discussions Vol I: A Simple Evocation

Some people are confused about how to evoke (or invoke) Izabael the genie. Even though the FAQ (http://izabael.com/faq.html) is pretty exhaustive, I thought I would run through a simple example of an evocation. This will be the first part of a series of small, but relatively easy instructional blogs on practical magick.


THE DEFINITIONS:


evocation -- The act of summoning a spirit into a mirror, crystal ball, or into our mind's eye. Any time a demon is summoned to any sort of manifestation it is an evocation, so long as it's not into another human being. That would instead be an:


invocation – The act of summoning a spirit into oneself or another willing participant.


genie – a hidden aspect of our subconscious that functions like a real spirit or daemon when called upon.



sigil – The specific symbol for contacting any single genie. It is the truest representation of a spirit's nature even more so than its name.

THE THEORY:


So how does genie invocation/evocation work? There is no 100% common acceptance of how or why spirits, demons, and genies work. The traditional thought process was that they were fallen angels and therefore had an external validity separate from the human invoking/evoking them.
This way of thinking seems a bit outdated, and I find more modern magicians feel that genies are aspects of our subconscious, similar to Jungian archetypes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archetype), and if you put energy into building up the connection between your conscious mind and these subconscious "entities" one is rewarded with inspiration, thoughts, ideas and even spontaneous "accidents" that lead us to our most desired goals.


I personally go so far as to say that genies only affect the material plane through the intermediary of humans. This makes quite a lot of sense if one thinks it through, so let's go into this in a little more detail:


I think to most rational human beings the thought of demons running around with the ability to move objects, slam doors, and steal gold and the like is pretty absurd. So how can I claim to be a rational human being and still believe wholeheartedly in the power of genies?
I have found through experience that:


a) Our subconscious is vastly more powerful than most people give it credit for,


b) Most human minds are far weaker and susceptible to foreign influence than most people would like to admit.
This can be most easily illustrated through the power of media and advertising. Say what you will about advertising and commercials, the billions of dollars spent on it each year attest to the fact that it works and that humans are *easily* swayed by immaterial influences.


"Advertising" has no soul or physical body any more than a spirit or genie, and yet it affects millions, perhaps billions of humans every single day. It is ideas, colors, sounds, and music, twisted by media "black magicians" into a commercial or advertisement which then stirs our emotions and moves our heart, and once our heart is moved, we are only too willing to do the physical work of opening our purse (or wallet) and dishing out our hard-earned money because these incorporeal "demons" of media have persuaded us to do so.


Genies work in a somewhat similar fashion. They are like "balls" of experience in the subconscious that have been found over the centuries to respond to the use of certain sigils. These sigils are like a trigger, or perhaps a better analogy is a doorway, into communication with these very specific aspects of our subconscious. The more we communicate with these aspects, the easier the communication becomes and the more energy flows from us to them and vice versa. The changes they make are not physical, but psychological, and we ourselves carry out the tiny changes, which results in a butterfly effect (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butterfly_effect) that ultimately manifests our deepest desire. In other words, sensitive dependence upon initial conditions is what genies excel at exploiting.


That then is a nutshell of how genies work. So how do we meet Izabael?


http://izabael.com/random/izabael_summon.gif





THE PRACTICE:


Let's run through a very simple *evocation* (as opposed to an invocation which is a much more powerful and more intimate way of summoning Izabael.)


I will explain this method, not because it is the best or most powerful method, but because it is the simplest and easiest and should not frighten even the most timid of magickal students. For the more adventurous, I refer to the aforementioned FAQ.


Clear your mind. Take a bath, or go for a long walk. Whatever works best for you. If you know how to "Banish," or otherwise ceremonially clear your space, then now is the time to do it.


Take some pen and paper and start drawing Izabael. Try to memorize her, but if you can't it doesn't matter. Draw her, doodle her, let her ideas branch out into other "doodlings" perhaps unrelated. Be open to stray impulses while you work with her sigil. Be open to stray thoughts. Be open to the experience. You can close your eyes and try to see her, or hear her, or for the truly kinesthetic, you might even feel her presence. You can alternate doodling with chanting her name, or dancing to an unheard song, or whatever else you find appropriate. There are no rules. You can ask her questions and quietly wait for her response in whatever way you feel you can connect with her. Izabael speaks with symbols, and so called "accidental occurrences."
For your first time don't expect too much. She may only come across like a vague feeling. Don't shrug it off; instead just assume that "vague" feeling is Izabael trying to make contact.



Belief alters reality. Don't be afraid to "fake it till you make it." A big part of magick, and success in life in general, is just believing what you want is possible and to start assuming it already. You may call it placebo, but if it gets the ball rolling, then so much the better. Sooner or later, as it was with me when I first met Izabael, you get to the point where the accidental occurrences stack up higher than could reasonably be possible, and your results are so fantastic and perfectly suited to your true desires that you have no choice but to consider Izabael just as real as the girl next door--but after an entirely different manner.
When you are done working with Izabael you can invite her to stay in your presence or you can ask her to leave. Either way is fine. Just do what you are comfortable with. When you are ready, you can always contact her again. Sooner or later she will start giving you clues on how to better work with her.



So much of working with magick is just breaking away from worn out patterns of thinking. Reality is not only the material plane. A key to powerful magick is trying to reconnect with the subtler realms. Many of us can probably still remember when as very young children those realms were a lot closer than they are now.


If you get nothing else out of my writings, I hope you at least get that you should never, ever take what someone else has told you is impossible as the way it has to be. Never let anyone impose limitations on YOUR reality. Expand your belief system and your joy will expand right along with it.


Hail Nuith,
Izabael



P.S. In the next Discussion I will be getting a little more technical and I will discuss the Ego's place in magick. This will include a discussion of the Abyss, and will also help shed some light on what Izabael's relationship is to our personality and why she is a much more "fool-proof" spirit to work with than those of the traditional Goetia. It will also help to answer a common question I get, "Where does your personality end and where does Izabael the spirit's begin?"

P.P.S. I also find the idea of Memes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme) germane to this conversation, but it was just too complicated for the scope of my blog. I mention it here for those so inclined to further research in these matters:

The term "meme" (IPA (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet): /mi?m/, rhyming with "theme". Commonly pronounced in the US as /m?m/, rhyming with "gem"), coined in 1976[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme#_note-0) by the biologist Richard Dawkins (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Dawkins), refers to a "unit of cultural information (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Information)" which can propagate from one mind to another in a manner analogous to genes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene) (i.e., the units of genetic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics) information).

Naomi
04-09-2007, 05:03 AM
Wow, Izabael, that brings back memories....interesting thread, look forward to reading further....

Okazaki Castle
04-09-2007, 09:09 AM
Hey Izabael,

So you're the High Priestess of a Demon Goddess? That is soo cool. Are you a babe, or ugly, if I might ask? I ask because on my path I tend to make snap assessments based on superficial appearance very often (Temple of Venus). This distinction between superficiality (Reality) and mindgrid, or energies (the deeper levels) is something that being a channel, or conduit, for higher godforms (or demonforms) teaches very well I think. I'd be very interested in hearing more about your practices there, like do you totally become Izabael at times? Where do 'you' go whilst Izabael is occupying you / running your form for you?

Anyways, on this:


Belief alters reality. Don't be afraid to "fake it till you make it." A big part of magick, and success in life in general, is just believing what you want is possible and to start assuming it already. You may call it placebo, but if it gets the ball rolling, then so much the better.


People often say this, but I think it's simply a question of 'Just do it!'. It's not faking, it's not making it, it's just doing what it is you want to do. For example, if you want to rule the world, you don't do that by working towards it in the hope of someday making it. You do it instantly, and then continuously... and the world warps around you and eventually catches up. Likewise for every other goal. And, as you keep on just doing it, you become better and more externally masterful at it, abd people begin to get used to where you're coming from, see you're serious about it, and begin to come to view it as a possibility or something they respect and can understand also.

So not faking for the general audience. It's just doing, the Path of Action. Invocation is a very good way to get started on that... particularly if you find this world's pyramid-climbing process to the top boring! :laugh:

all the best,
Oazaki.

Kuroyagi
04-09-2007, 10:03 AM
Ah this is enjoyable! :laugh:

This spirit has become quite strong, very lovely...and from a prince. I have good connections to Venus, too. You like this dont you?


http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/341791860_816a0e3b11.jpg

Looking forward to your posts!

fr.novumorganum
04-09-2007, 12:31 PM
Ok, this thread is re-opened for general discussion of this magickal system. Welcome to our new members.

Izabael
04-17-2007, 07:33 PM
I have a discussion to go with this diagram of the Four Worlds. I will post it soon.



In the meantime, a few words on this diagram:

http://izabael.com/izabael_four_worlds.jpg
http://izabael.com/random/izabael_four_worlds.jpg


This diagram illustrates two different things that are tightly related:

1) It shows two different ways of representing the Four Worlds. The one on the left with the four worlds connected, and the single Tree of Life representation on the right.

2) It shows Nuith's, Babalon's, Izabael's and the Priestess's relationship to each of the two Four World representations, and also which specific Sphere they most correspond to (which is designated by the arrows). (Nuith is probably more appropriately assigned to one of the rings of the Ain [or all three], but I'm trying to keep things simple since there will be no reason to go deeper for the gist of my conversation.)

Everything else should be explained when I post my discussion, entitled "Four Planes, Four Goddesses."


xoxo
iZaBAeL:.: :.. . .

KCh
04-18-2007, 12:13 AM
What leads you to place Nuith where you did?

m1thr0s
04-18-2007, 05:19 AM
Babalon in Binah is equally as curious I think...

m1thr0s

BrotherM
04-18-2007, 06:15 AM
m1th0s - you new avatar is seriously cool!

Sorry to not add to the conversation, but how do I see the pics? the appear as little red X's in white squares...

Is IzaBael not the servitor created by pAmpAge? (Sorry man if you are here, I could never spell your name. And how the hell are you BTW!)

Bear in mind that one of the major things that Izabael did was to bring Babalon energy / cycle into pAmp's life, so it may be a personal attribution (speculation)

BrotherM

m1thr0s
04-18-2007, 12:51 PM
m1th0s - you new avatar is seriously cool!dizzying...lol...we have Anibis to thank for this actually...his recent explosion into 4th dimensional geometry is contagious!

m1thr0s

Izabael
04-18-2007, 01:06 PM
Thank you guys for the interest. I will try to explain as best I can. This may still be a little rough around the edges:


Four Planes, Four Goddesses

By Izabael DaJinn




Nuith - A beautiful symbol, and the goal of it all. Nuith is the light that guides all our magick and inspires all our love. But she is very abstract, and indeed can best be represented by a circle. In her connection to the highest of the four planes, she is the spark that ignites all movement, all action, but she needs the help of other goddesses to manifest properly here on her little sister the Earth.

(Since Nuith is the highest thing we can really be aware of I placed her in Kether. The veils of negative existence are really not something I think any of us can be directly aware of, but rather only postulate based on what we do know—like unreal numbers in math.)

Babalon – Babalon is potentially the most complex of all the four goddesses due to her relationship to Binah and the Abyss. In many ways she holds the key to all true magick for she is the bridge between the idealized and the actual. The Great Whore, she gives birth to all manifestations and loves them all equally.

(I put Babalon in Binah because of the Great Mother connotations and because of the City of Pyramids with all the little piles of dust from what’s left of the destroyed Magisters. In many ways, however, I would also put her in Da’ath as her septagram feels like a yoke around my neck, keeping me tied to the will of Nuith. Also Babalon’s grail would be Binah.)

This is the greatest lesson to be learned from her: to be able to give into any experience fully. If we are able to do so we foil the machinations of Choronzon, for he is nothing but the Ego, i.e. the dead shells of what we used to be. This is the past. Our true self exists only in the moment.

We must kill our old notions of who and what we are in every second. Give up your blood to Babalon and give birth to perfect joy in every second. If we cling to things we’ve already done, places we’ve already been, people we’ve already loved, or even worse, spend all our time in the “future” obsessing over things we ought to do but don’t bother to actually put into motion, we give power to Choronzon and instead of being a harmless shadow, he becomes a true horror that menaces and drives us to feed our ego and inflame our vanity.

As powerful as Babalon is, she is still, however, quite symbolic and not always so easy to communicate directly with. It is also counterintuitive to go to her with our wants and needs. Her function is not to manifest our desires, but to make sure we submit to our TRUEST desires as sprung forth from Nuith, and not succumb to ego-lust and desire inspired by Choronzon.

Babalon is Briah. She is the emotional, watery plane, and here you must free yourself of all attachments. You want your dreams to come true and your desires filled? That’s not a problem, but do it on the right plane: Let’s move along down into Yetzirah and see what we find there.


Izabael – Here we get a powerful spirit, descended from “low magick” spirits with the uncanny ability to affect the material plane.

Izabael is airy by all accounts and fits happily into Tiphareth because she can branch out with airy, wispy tendrils and connect to the rest of the tree of life, bringing harmony and proper function to our magickal system. Like the air, Izabael is always present and yet never there at all, like a breeze rustling through a room, or a whispered soliloquy borne upon the scented night wind.

Izabael’s symbol is a butterfly flying upwards and her antennae always poke just beyond the confines of Babalon’s septagram, showing that she herself has a connection to the Divine (Nuith) directly, though like other spirits, humans, and everything else, she cannot fully cross the Abyss. She is of this world, and thereby she understands us more intimately than Nuith and Babalon can ever hope to.

Indeed if she sounds a little like an HGA, indeed she is close to it. Izabael’s symbolism is so pure, her sigil so perfectly symbolic of her position on the tree of life, that she has no choice but to lead us to our truest self and not away from it. This is a trait of Izabael that I do not necessarily find with traditional Goetics. Izabael is higher functioning than they are. If necessary, she can easily guide any other demons for you and keep a group of them harmonized. I do feel you should make initial contact with each spirit separately but so long as you get a good feeling, there is really no more reason to address any other Goetic than Izabael.

Izabael is more actual than Nuith or Babalon. She has more human qualities; she is more familiar with the ways of humans. Indeed her desire is to feel what humans feel, taste what humans taste. She is only too helpful to manifest any desire into the physical realm because she is truly Thelemic: to her all experiences are equal. She lusts after them all. (The film Wings of Desire illustrates this pretty well with angels falling down to earth to be human for the pleasure of sensation.)

For this reason Izabael will always seek out and find as many ways to “incarnate” as she can. This then brings us down to the fourth and final plane, that of the Assiah, the material world:


The Priestess

This is the easiest one of all to explain. A Priestess is a physical embodiment of the above qualities. A true “whore of experience,” if you will.

Izabael craves carnality and will find as many Priestesses as possible to incarnate into. Since the experience of invoking Izabael is entirely beneficial for Izabael and Priestess alike, Nuith (after filtering through the intermediaries of Babalon and Izabael) finds true expression in the Priestess and in her ability to enjoy all things of sense and rapture to their utmost.

The only difference between a Priestess and a High Priestess is that there is only one High Priestess at a time. The honorary title of High Priestess allows all works published with her consent to be labeled as such, and therefore are the truest approximation of Izabael the spirit’s actual thoughts and wishes.

The title of Priestess is given directly by Izabael to anyone working with her whoso feels fit to take that title upon themself. There are no limits as to who can be a Priestess of Izabael, nor is their a limit on the number of Priestesses there may be. Each case is entirely between Izabael and the aspirant. (Males may then consider themselves “Priests,” but the formula would be different than that given here for Nuith-Babalon-Izabael-Priestess because for a male practitioner, Izabael tends to take on qualities of his Anima and is therefore a little different to work with.)

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BrotherM
04-18-2007, 01:50 PM
Napsteria - sounds like your kind of spirit!

m1thr0s
04-18-2007, 02:36 PM
thanks for your explanation Izabael. Not meaning to derail anything here but I have a personal sort of question to ask. I am very taken with Lillith and have been for a long time. Where would you place her in this whole context? One of the reasons I ask is that her relation to the Tree of Life is pretty well documented historically...my own take on this is that Lillith (also iconographically linked to Ereshkigal) would be a classical Priestess emblem and is intimately linked to Earth & Moon...

Lillith / Ereshkigal

http://abrahadabra.com/images/ereshkigal01.jpg

m1thr0s

KCh
04-20-2007, 11:18 PM
I would certainly be inclined to place Nuit in the Negative veils of existance, along with Hadit; as these are un-manifest. Ra Hoor Khuit takes his seat in Kether, Hoor-paar-kraat the third negative veil.

I agree with the correlation of Babalon with Binah, and Izabel in Tephereth...at least in the sense of your explanation. I would certainly urge 'your' communication with this entity. Record what she has to communicate in detail.

I do not agree that everyone should attach themselves to this working you describe. I understand that you have had such a taste of honey from this Izabel and you wish only to share that exquisiteness, but all must be allowed to pursue their own will towards their own Angel.(Or Demon, if you so prefer)

BrotherM
04-24-2007, 01:15 PM
m1thr0s,

I have had some quite personal experiences (both good and very bad) with Lilith and Ereshkigal (and Nergal) and I can't say that I associate the energy, entities or attributes of these two - assuming my objective view of the spirit world. Do you mean that they fill similar functions or that they are the same thing?

Many thanks,

BrotherM

Sorry if this is OT, I'll make a topic if it is too OT, please advise

hitman777
04-24-2007, 03:39 PM
I've worked with Lilith both in and out of a Necronomicon framework, and Ereshkigal only through astral work somewhat Nec related. I have to say that I don't see these two entities as being synonomous, and actually as having very different functions, energies, and personalities. However, it's not like I know everything, maybe there is some hidden link. Just in my experience, they don't seem to be one and the same at all.

Izabael
04-24-2007, 06:26 PM
thanks for your explanation Izabael. Not meaning to derail anything here but I have a personal sort of question to ask. I am very taken with Lillith and have been for a long time. Where would you place her in this whole context? One of the reasons I ask is that her relation to the Tree of Life is pretty well documented historically...my own take on this is that Lillith (also iconographically linked to Ereshkigal) would be a classical Priestess emblem and is intimately linked to Earth & Moon...

Lillith / Ereshkigal

http://abrahadabra.com/images/ereshkigal01.jpg

m1thr0s


Total derailment! Check out the posts between ours :-)

Seriously though, I don't know much about Lilith/Ereshkigal other than the rudimentary. I assume that because you brought it up in this particular thread though that perhaps your deeper question is, "Could another god/goddess such as Lilith/Erishkigal be plugged into this paradigm?" I say most certainly.

In a way that's the point, as KCh touched on. Certainly Izabael is powerful and highly seductive, but just as Thelema is an open-ended system so is Izabael's. You can build-up, dismantle any parts as you see fit and plug in something else. I feel at home in what Crowley has created with Nuit and Babalon, and Izabael fills an intermediary role between us and those lofty dieties in a way that I think is keeping with the true spirit of Thelema, and in that same spirit people are free to adapt Izabael.

The idea of imagination as a magician's most powerful weapon cannot be overstated enough. Tiphareth asserts its dominance by being the center of the tree. Imagination is therefore central (and perhaps centripetal, maybe even centrifugal??) to the entire tree.

iZaBaeL.:.::. . : .. : .. .....

hitman777
04-24-2007, 09:45 PM
In light of that post, I now see why it was brought up better, using them as archetypical figures rather than as individual goddesses or demons. Sorry!

m1thr0s
04-28-2007, 03:40 AM
m1thr0s,

I have had some quite personal experiences (both good and very bad) with Lilith and Ereshkigal (and Nergal) and I can't say that I associate the energy, entities or attributes of these two - assuming my objective view of the spirit world. Do you mean that they fill similar functions or that they are the same thing?similar functions. It would be irresponsible to call them the same thing in my view...one originates in Sumerian cosmology and the other stems from the Hebrew creation mythos, though considering that Abraham hailed from Ur (capital city in ancient Sumer) it's never really all that clear where the one stops and the other begins. You can Google both names together and find all kinds of links discussing their shared attributes though. Even at the level of iconography they are at times completely indistinguishable...

m1thr0s

MythMath
04-28-2007, 05:59 PM
Twin daughters from different mothers...

Naomi
05-06-2007, 10:53 PM
(Heh, MythMath: OS ERIS):rofl:

Izabael, you really feel Tiphareth is a dominant sphere? My view that it was more like the playground of neutrality, incapable of doing little else but intoxicating its residents with unbelievable beauty. We see beauty destroyed constantly and tragically here on earth.

But then, I really know next to nothing about the Sephiroth.

Imagination? What about will?

It seems to me like your tree is a miniature version of the sephiroth arising out of Tiphareth, very similar to the Temple of Venus mode of operation. The idea of the deadly tropical garden of illusion, fraught with nymphs and poisonous flowers.

I'm not complaining in the slightest, don't allow me to give that impression. Your writing has gotten me thinking on what other slants we could give to the other Sephiroth if we created miniature fractal branches based on the full tree of life for each sphere.

I put Nuit in Da'ath in one of my recent napkin diagrams, and Draco in Kether....it seems entirely appropriate to me that Nuit would crown the Kether of a microcosmic tree of Tiphareth, however.

I'm not well read on any of these terms however, if you'll forgive my lack of purchase on the subject, which is seemingly immense in scope as I am learning.

Izabael
06-03-2007, 04:38 PM
(Heh, MythMath: OS ERIS):rofl:

Izabael, you really feel Tiphareth is a dominant sphere?


Indeed I do, for Magicians at least. True mystics are hardly concerned with anything below the abyss save their alms bowl and flip flops. Magicians, however, are concerned with results. If something our Will desires isn't going to be manifested in Malkuth then what was the point of our incarnation into physical form to begin with? Tiphareth reigns supreme as our imagination. All great works of fiction fall here, and who doubts they don't shape our culture at least as much, if not moreso, than even say medical advances?

Tiphareth for a Magician is home because it's the highest our mind can go without crossing into the Abyss, and thereby leaving "normal" consciousness behind. In other words, one can't (usually) pay the checkbook or drive a car while in Samadhi, and even if we could, Tiphareth is the center...it's a very balanced place to be, and takes in nourishment from all the other spheres.




My view that it was more like the playground of neutrality, incapable of doing little else but intoxicating its residents with unbelievable beauty. We see beauty destroyed constantly and tragically here on earth.


Certainly the balanced neutrality of Lamed flowing in from path 22 is a critical component of what makes Tiphareth tick. And once again, being the center, gives it a certain neutrality as well.



But then, I really know next to nothing about the Sephiroth.



Seem to be doing fine to me.



Imagination? What about will?



The "Will" I think of will to be more like the lightning bolt of creation than I do any one Sephiroth (ie. hitting all the Sephiroth on the way down), but if I was forced I'd place it in Geburah because of the pentagram (man and his arms out)--that's a fine symbol of the Will as any. And the color red is the color of fire, which is of course the Will as well.




It seems to me like your tree is a miniature version of the sephiroth arising out of Tiphareth, very similar to the Temple of Venus mode of operation. The idea of the deadly tropical garden of illusion, fraught with nymphs and poisonous flowers.

I'm not complaining in the slightest, don't allow me to give that impression. Your writing has gotten me thinking on what other slants we could give to the other Sephiroth if we created miniature fractal branches based on the full tree of life for each sphere.

I put Nuit in Da'ath in one of my recent napkin diagrams, and Draco in Kether....it seems entirely appropriate to me that Nuit would crown the Kether of a microcosmic tree of Tiphareth, however.



Opening up throught and more varied, and practical, ways of using the Tree of Life is a wonderful thing in itself!

Da'ath is an interesting case truly and and could easily fill a book (probably has?). Da'ath is probably the most amorphous (non-)Sephiroth in all its varied uses and symbolism so I suppose it's not suprising it's most often known by the bogeyman Choronzon or the menacing appelation, "They Abyss."

The truth is, well, it indeed has characteristics of these, but in a lot of ways Da'ath itself is just an extension of Tiphareth, being a dark shadow to our waking imaginings. It houses things not always horrible, but often mysterious and insprining as well. Also, for me, it's a "finishing line," in that if I can drag one single solitary idea across the Abyss it will manifest purely and beautifully down below.

Putting Nuit there makes a lot of sense as not only is Nuit everywhere in a very real sense, i.e. the "omnipresence of her body," but the very idea of a black rolling abyss is very menstruum-like.








I'm not well read on any of these terms however, if you'll forgive my lack of purchase on the subject, which is seemingly immense in scope as I am learning.

Funny you are apologizing for your "lack of purchase on the subject," because I found your post to be the most insightful and interesting posted thus far.

X0x(),
iZaBaeL

Naomi
06-04-2007, 11:22 AM
Ah I see, very good points. But it's true - I don't know much about the Sephiroth, for instance, I couldn't begin to tell you a single name of a pathway, or even what Netzach or Binah are (even though I keep hearing the names in my head), or where they are located on the tree - once I discovered Geburah was the gateway to Gehenna I trashed all of my Kabbalah work to memorize the shells of the underworld and do my work there. I'm an information retrieval specialist - I have no interest in memorizing established systems - as far as I'm concerned that is the job of everyone else on the internet who play their own parts. My part was plumbing the depths of hell as far as I could take it. This was my goal for hmm...almost 12 years now. Kind of risky seeming you know, because absolutely no one out there sees any use in it - they're even dreadfully paranoid of it, probably for good cause. If it wern't for a few key people thrown in my path and Durante Alghiere's testimony I probably would have abandoned the search. Though I assume you're probably quite comfortable with such ideas IzaBael.

I've theorized, and I think, proven to myself that Da'ath is both the exit from hell and the entrance to true heaven - the supreme "brahma", and not the crap brahma principal of the zone girdling the solar system. I havn't gone down that far yet, not on my own at least....

So if Da'ath is the vagina of Nuit and Tiphareth her assets, perhaps we can get it to cough up other things besides menstruum? ^_^ Like, new baby creations, perhaps?

Great thread iZaBael, I'm enjoying it...and learning alot