Memes & Anti-Memes...

[m1thr0s]

this word gets tossed about a lot and for some reason I have never really stopped to think about it that much so I took a look at Wiki: Meme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme)

this sentence struck me as especially startling:
"Meme-theorists contend that memes most beneficial to their hosts will not necessarily survive; rather, those memes which replicate the most effectively spread best; which allows for the possibility that successful memes might prove detrimental to their hosts."

Considering that Memes have a lot to do with the evolution of knowledge itself, assuming that this theory is correct, I wonder that this might not be informing us of the existence of an extremely dangerous peril we face with the advance of modern knowledge.

The Chinese sometimes refer to our times as being represented by an overabundance of Yin to which the Yang flux, or energy, is seeking to find some way to balance. I see a lot of an attempt at returning to more ancient times in modern esotericism and wonder if this may not be linked to some instinctive sense of being poisoned with a kind of Meme-Overload of some kind.

Are we in danger of becoming extinct at the hand of our own out-of-control memeplexes?

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

I'm just going to post some memes :mad:err:o...resources to prompt some meditation before adding my 2 coppers...

I think it is also important to take the viral theory (http://memetics.chielens.net/master/index.html) of language into consideration when discussing this: here is a great site (http://memetics.chielens.net/index.html)

The Selfish Gene by Richard Dawkins is a good resource for this too.


Language is a virus from outer space ---William Burroughs.

A virus (http://acjournal.org/www.med.sc.edu/mayer/vir-host2000.htm) operates autonomously, without human intervention (http://acjournal.org/www.gwu.edu/%7Ensarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB43/index.htm). It attaches itself to a host and feeds off of it, growing and spreading from host to host. Language (http://acjournal.org/www.ilovelanguages.com/index.php@category=Languages-257CFree+Translation) infects us; its power derives not from its straightforward ability to communicate or persuade but rather from this infectious (http://acjournal.org/www.cdc.gov/ncidod/EID/vol9no2/aboutcover.htm) nature, this power of bits of language to graft itself onto other bits of language, spreading and reproducing, using human beings as hosts.The notion of the meme (http://acjournal.org/pespmc1.vub.ac.be/MEMIN.html) -- coined in 1976 by Richard Dawkins (http://acjournal.org/www.world-of-dawkins.com/default.asp) to illustrate the field of memetics (http://acjournal.org/143.236.107.53/authors/kkitow/memetics/index.htm) -- crystallizes this view of the communication process. Georges Bataille (http://acjournal.org/www.mediamatic.net/cwolk/view/13280) similarly argued that communication was best understood from the perspective of contagion (http://acjournal.org/www.thoughtcontagion.com/index.htm). In Bataille any human being is no more than a conduit for communicative process, a channel for ideas which pass through him/her."If, as it appears to me, a book (http://acjournal.org/www.iath.virginia.edu/elab/hfl0248.html) is communication, then the author (http://acjournal.org/foucault.info/documents/foucault.authorFunction.en.html) is only a link among many readings."* (http://acjournal.org/holdings/vol6/iss3/responses/attias/notes.html#Bataille) The author (http://acjournal.org/www.eiu.edu/%7Eliterary/4950/barthes.htm) is simply a node on a network (http://acjournal.org/www.rand.org/publications/RM/baran.list.html), through which ideas pass.


At stake in such a conception is a radical reworking of the notion of the subject (http://acjournal.org/www.louisville.edu/a-s/english/babo/snyder/bounsubject.html) in communicative experience. Bataille writes:a man is only a particle (http://acjournal.org/particleadventure.org/particleadventure/index.htm) inserted in unstable and entangled wholes. These wholes are composed in personal life in the form of multiple possibilities, starting with a knowledge that is crossed like a threshold - and the existence of the particle can in no way be isolated from this composition.... This extreme instability (http://acjournal.org/lists.completeis.com/pipermail/all/2001/000028.html) of connections alone permits one to introduce, as a puerile (http://acjournal.org/www.geocities.com/area51/omega/1159/Consid.html) but convenient illusion, a representation of isolated existence turning in on itself. ("The Labyrinth," 174). Subjectivity is an illusion, one that allows us to operate comfortably in this plane of existence, but which nonetheless masks true reality, in which there is no division between subject and object: "There is no longer subject-object, but a 'yawning (http://acjournal.org/muttaqun.com/yawning.html) gap (http://acjournal.org/www.softwar.net/ma31.html)' between the one and the other and, in the gap (http://acjournal.org/www.globalexchange.org/economy/corporations/gap/index.htm), the subject, the object are dissolved; there is passage, communication, but not from one to the other: the one and the other have lost their separate existence" ("The Torment," 89). from here (http://acjournal.org/holdings/vol6/iss3/responses/attias/virus.html)
(very much worth reading that entire site, actually; fits well with several of our recent threads)

[fr.novumorganum]

Overall, I feel that the issue here is the same as in other areas we discuss at AF: evolution versus willed evolution. In other words, the application of our true will to consciously direct evolution, whether it be evolution of memes, society, a species, or of the very self (which if I'm not mistaken is the overall purpose of this star technology---to will our own transformation/evolution !?!)

I tend to think that the trends m1thr0s has noted regarding a certain 'back-to-basics' in modern communities is a nostalgia for an imagined past in which people lived in harmony with nature/tao/godess/what-ever, which is really a utopian longing for some element of human control/agency over lifeworlds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifeworld). (This is in no way a bad impulse---indeed, I believe it is our utopian impulse that drives progress)

This leads to what I believe is the true value of the 93 meme (can't help using that term now!!!). Crowley's reception and circulation of 93 injected the idea of willed control/direction over life and one's place in the universe. (willed, conscious evolution/progress). Leave aside the childish ego inflation ideas of 93, and think instead of the school of thought which postulates true will as very much being with the dao, living in accordance with the dao, and you'll get the idea I'm driving at here.

So in answer to m1thr0s' question, yes, we are in danger, the same way we are in danger from the overall unconscious, 'asleep' nature of evolution now.

[m1thr0s]

this is all very intriguing to me, especially inasmuch as Abrahadabra would appear to be a meme that outlines an entire anti-meme technology! It does this primarily through the balancing of opposites...the whole 0=2 technique, which, by the time it moves into Trigrammal Fields (also built upon memes) is literally collecting all language possibilities and reprocessing them through its powerful zeroing methodology...

It would seem to me that classical mantra as well as barbarous names of magick etc are all sort of hitting on the same essential technique...the suspension of Meme-Addicted Mind through the use of calculated Anti-Memes!

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

To add to the mix: memes which connect with and support certain other memes (particularly the ones which are advantageous to the organism). Abrahadabra seems to do that: setting up a 'cultivation space' or kind of controlled memetic greenhouse such that contaminative memes are checked at the door. Calendars are of course complex memetic organisms as well...
-Anibis

[fr.novumorganum]

All communication, of course, operates on this level, but not all communication attempts to interrupt the level of signification with this appeal to the multiple and interconnected nature of subjectivity. "[H]umanity is not constituted of isolated beings (http://acjournal.org/www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/marriott1.html), but made up of communications among them; we are never given, even to ourselves, except in a network (http://acjournal.org/collection.nlc-bnc.ca/100/202/300/mediatribe/mtribe94/cybertribe.html) of communications with others: we bathe (http://acjournal.org/www.datejesus.com/bathe/index.htm) in communication, we can be reduced to this incessant communication, whose absence we feel in the very depths of our solitude" (Bataille, 250-2). There are no subjects; there is only the network, and it is us.perhaps the result of anti-meme technology----destroy the illusion of the isolated abstraction, the reification (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reification_%28Marxism%29) of language and we return to multiple human agency in language....or willed creation.

or put much better:

"the ending of the words is the word abrahadabra"

this thing just keeps knocking me on me arse.

[deviadah]

Isn't meme just another term or variation of the Collective Subconscious or Akashic Records?

I see a lot of an attempt at returning to more ancient times in modern esotericism and wonder if this may not be linked to some instinctive sense of being poisoned with a kind of Meme-Overload of some kind.

There are more people alive today than there ever was before, and meme needs brains, so there are more brains/thoughts pumped into the collective subconscious causing this overload!

Could this be a valuable argument?

[Kuroyagi]

Yes, there is also this trend to even greater specification and (group) fragmentation in our culture. The actualization of the Archaic (as in abras "mirror gazing" methods, for example) can in my view not be explained anymore solely by a "Daoist" or Rousseauian urge for a more natural state (in a direct re-action to technology), but it may rather be the beginning of becoming more and more "unconscious" of our culture (and of: "culture") itself and thereby becoming more "natural" in that we do not see many things anymore (cause there is too much too see!), so that we merge with technology. Thereby it could be that we are not only yearning for the archaic anymore, like the Romantics, but we simply intuitively already feel to *become*, to BE more "archaic" again,and also lose our concept of "nature" in the romantic sense, that becomes more and more relative in face of genetic engineering, chronobiology and AI technologies.

p.s. Baitailles thoughts about human clusters/"net works" and the suspension of subject-object relations sound very Buddhist! (some sort of a social transcendentialism :p)

[deviadah]

It is the great irony... Science kills God, and with Science we discover a more mysterious and mystical God (within ourselves and out there - in micro/macrocosm). There should be a macrowave if there is a microwave though!

Quantum Mechanics would not have been liked by the Church if it had surfaced only a hundred years earlier.

At least some lives were saved with the slow growth of the collective human consciousness!

By the way do you think a thread on the collective consciousness of animals (and animalism/magnetism/mesmer) could be of value?

[m1thr0s]

the over-population thing combined with the nuclear power situation sets off certain internal alarms on a genetic level in my opinion...so yeah...this is some kind of factor...and media and information science and assorted other things all just sort of line up behind that stuff so i do think you wind up with a higher percentage of anti-meme experts bouncing off the walls looking for some way to dismantle the bullshit...

Leary used to talk about this stuff...

m1thr0s

[Apopheros]

What I'm interested in when it comes to meme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meme)is the medium through which information is shared between organism. In my mind, strange attractors are involved and they are more effective when we grow as an embrio because it's easier to focus on a tiny intelligent design when you retinal cells lenghts less. I guess there is an harmonic cycle involved somewhere

if you can build a binary code with this, you're a champ!!!

later

[Amur]

Hmm... Interesting you, m1thr0s, mention that the world is in a state of Yin energy. As I did try to link the planet state to my own body / consciousness, and currently have kundalini flowing only into the ying part but not at all into the yang part as the yang part is nearly destroyed. The more interesting part is that when I've gotten cleansing experiences while using drugs, "they" have wanted to infest their own energies into my kundalini so that it does not come directly from the planet consciousness itself. Replied something like "Subtle energies come first", but to my knowledge subtle energies can also be controlled easiest of all, so I'm not so trusty over those.

Another interesting thing to notice is that I got thrown from 10 meters and broke my feet, knee, and back, so perhaps humanity is not so grounded as they should be. But of course I broke them because I didn't do my 'spiritual' work as I was prescribed to do by the finnish spirits.

Anyway, I've been thinking of imposing new memes into the system that somehow repairs the whole thing. Not sure what they are or how to create them but it would be neat to do this. What I would like most, is a meme, or piece of knowledge on how to contact every persons real spirit/soul, and draw that contact to their current consciousness and connect the two. After this one could flood the entire population with this formula and get amazing results. I know alot of people who can influence people's thoughts directly, so resonating the two would be quite straightforward in a sense. But the only problem is that it would need to be done in a state of superior purity which I seem to be drifting away from(probably because of too much / little knowledge which 'they' don't like). For some reason the same 'they' don't like to give me too much intelligence so they keep me in a deprived state and want me to go work with something simple. Perhaps they are only consciousness units of my own mind but still I wonder. Will have to electrocute them also, just to be certain :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

Hmm... Interesting you, m1thr0s, mention that the world is in a state of Yin energy.I can't remember where I read that comment but it was an eastern source that just happened to correspond very neatly with the Tree of Life. Viewing Binah as the root Yin and Chokmah the root Yang in the Tree of Life, we can translate this to mean that the world today is overloaded with Understanding at the expense of Wisdom...an extremely dangerous situation to say the least...probably fatal in many cases.

The eastern angle on this goes quite a bit further however and addresses technology itself. Our take on technology...our own built-in bias as to what this word implies and does not imply is at the heart of the imbalance, since we have come to reject without question the notion that technology must necessarily be mechanical in nature and cannot include such stuff as consciousness. So long as we persist in this we are ultimately writing and implementing our own death sentence...but who will believe this until it is already too late?

What I would like most, is a meme, or piece of knowledge on how to contact every persons real spirit/soul, and draw that contact to their current consciousness and connect the two. After this one could flood the entire population with this formula and get amazing results.I think I understand what you are shooting at here. I'm afraid I can't agree that it would ever work. As difficult as it may seem in many respects, I don't think we can hope to impact others in ways that they must ultimately impact themselves. I think we can only work on ourselves and share what we may have learned on-the-fly but I believe there exist certain immutable laws preventing us from being able to push any button or strike any bell that will elevate human consciousness en masse. If this were possible at all it would have to come about as a cooperative paradigm shift as can in many cases be achieved with the introduction of hidden knowledge that is proven in some way to displace older models of reality...so again we are back to working on ourselves and sharing what can be shared and letting the chips land where they will...

Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't think so.

m1thr0s

[Amur]

I can't remember where I read that comment but it was an eastern source that just happened to correspond very neatly with the Tree of Life. Viewing Binah as the root Yin and Chokmah the root Yang in the Tree of Life, we can translate this to mean that the world today is overloaded with Understanding at the expense of Wisdom...an extremely dangerous situation to say the least...probably fatal in many cases.

The eastern angle on this goes quite a bit further however and addresses technology itself. Our take on technology...our own built-in bias as to what this word implies and does not imply is at the heart of the imbalance, since we have come to reject without question the notion that technology must necessarily be mechanical in nature and cannot include such stuff as consciousness. So long as we persist in this we are ultimately writing and implementing our own death sentence...but who will believe this until it is already too late?

I think I understand what you are shooting at here. I'm afraid I can't agree that it would ever work. As difficult as it may seem in many respects, I don't think we can hope to impact others in ways that they must ultimately impact themselves. I think we can only work on ourselves and share what we may have learned on-the-fly but I believe there exist certain immutable laws preventing us from being able to push any button or strike any bell that will elevate human consciousness en masse. If this were possible at all it would have to come about as a cooperative paradigm shift as can in many cases be achieved with the introduction of hidden knowledge that is proven in some way to displace older models of reality...so again we are back to working on ourselves and sharing what can be shared and letting the chips land where they will...

Perhaps I am wrong, but I don't think so.

m1thr0s

Hmm... I believe that the original direction and evolution for human Technology and so on was this technology of Consciousness itself and thus also God, or let's say it that people were all the same connected to God and thus not separated from themselves like they are now.

Learned from the article I read that before the takeover humans actually already were in telepathical contact with each other and with Nature. This is exactly the same kind of contact that I've seen children take to me. One infant asked me very fearfully in spirit "What the hell is wrong here?" and I all I could answer was that "it will soon be alright". At another spiritual thing at Amma's house another child asked me why he can not connect to my spirit/soul with love like is natural to humans, can't really remember what I replied to him.

Anyway, I'm glad to inform that I strongly strongly and strongly believe that the universe has provided me with the necessary technology in providing these changes of consciousness, unfortunately the race 'governing' the Earth currently are fighting against me in all ways. If things go too bad I might well have to remove ALL ALIEN influences from the planet and connect this planet again to the universe as it used to be. This might or might not involve around removing the ones living this life, as I see that there are very many that simply shouldn't just be here, unfortunately... But of course they would return Home in the process of it. With probably a regrettable sign to their being that they even had to come here.

The funny thing is that all the the time I come closer to the point of Time, something called God tries to stop me. So would someone already remove this Royal Dog? No offense nor pun intended. But this is Nature talking. Of course I am true in all my causes to the true Creator which is embedded in Nature itself and of course our True Being....

Wonder why I only can ramble these things when I'm in a state of 'psychosis'. It's even funnier to start to notice how people start to oppose me in all kinds of ways when I'm in this state. Almost like it would be dangeroussss to someone.... Pffft :)

Perhaps we should let the unified consciousness of Children or better yet INFANTS judge this world. For one. Perhaps they are closer to the truth of than we are. I know some others that would like to judge this world ;) Of course I have no connection with children anymore in the way I used to have, got this weird slime all over my soul sucking on it's energy, think I might throw up soon or something *grin*.

[m1thr0s]

I do wonder sometimes Amur why it is that you seem to miss the fact that all of this is provided for in the Abra System itself...the removal of the Royal Dog (as you say)...the restoration of True, or Elemental God by virtue of an entire mathematics geared to this very effort...

I can only imagine that it is not yet time for you to recognize this...or perhaps you feel you have left it in some other form that may somehow serve you better...I really don't know.

What I do know is that there is nothing you have spoken of that is not immediately doable within the very system you seem unable to fully recognize...and that's ok...I'm not pushing it like some sort of unwanted candy or anything...it's just that I don't know of anything else in this whole damn world that can actually do these things!

In which case...I can only wish you luck in your endeavors I think...

My best guess is that you have problems with the math aspect of things...which is too bad because this is all actually minimalized to the point that a child could easily assimilate it...it does expand into vast and incomprehensible technical parameters but it also reduces to a very simple system of building blocks virtually anybody can manage if they are willing to try.

I am committed to diversity but that doesn't mean that everything I find is really equal to the Abra System itself...this simply is not possible. Rather what I find is that just as the gods are all facets of the Body of Ra in egyptian cosmology...most other systems I have explored finally reduce to one or another aspects of Trigrammaton itself, of which even Abrahadabra is but one expression...upholding as it does the integrity of a certain "glyph" of the great work in completion...

Abrahadabra is just a Key. Trigrammaton is the Engine and Trigrammaton can take out this "Royal Dog" Amur! I can tell you all kinds of things about this entity...how it has manipulated the Mind of Man...how it masquerades as True God and has even assumed its very name...how the key to taking it out is to turn that Name against it and literally consume it by fire...that doesn't make the task easy, but the way itself is fairly clear...

Are these "beliefs"? well sure...if you prefer...but a very rigorous caliber of beliefs rooted in all available data...little by little it begins to become more clear to more people. I never expected it would be so difficult to explain all of this. But that's a researchers lot I guess...one loses track after many years of just how many issues have been addressed and resolved. I used to believe the only way to deal with it was just to keep silent until the very last scrap were successfully concluded but this no longer seems the wisest course of action...people do hold keys in their own right and I can't necessarily second-guess it all...

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

m1thr0s: could you give me the link or source for that "yin" dominance? Without wanting to be polemic (for once - "once out of a 10 000 times" as the Japanese saying goes ;)) but I find that to be false. We even have a yang misbalance in todays world in my view. Cause even women are attratced to male principles like "competition"; war and modern economics are all yang based (democracy is maybe yin in theory but in todays practice its utterly yang- only look at the male dominated orders who further it- all those Masons and Popes and world leaders and parties)- also the majority of the world doesnt even live under these democratic principles- only see India; and yin is closer to Tao also traditionally so if wed have a yin "imbalance" the world should be more balanced, actually. But those things are mere theories of us...its true...

Also killing God or not: if the god or a god is getting in ones way or if one is impeded by it or has a bad conscious or whatever then the abra sys can take care of it- but if one has not the need to do so or have a conception of a man-god or a very theoretical "greater than all" god then it is under this god that one can operate it and gain all insight. Its basic philosophy stuff...the sys is good, though- with any of both beliefs.

[m1thr0s]

sorry...no link on that one...some article or book or something I was reading at some point. Didn't really think to bookmark it at the time.

I actually don't care much for the "God" language personally and would opt for Godhead over God almost always, since the former reminds us of the principle at play I think and does not belabor the "person" so much...

We do however find abundant evidence of "False God" all over the map. Sooner or later that mess has to be mopped up somehow but I don't think one needs to emphasize it necessarily...a lot depends on where one finds oneself in the struggle I guess.

m1

[Kuroyagi]

Well, thats ok. Yeah I think so too: that this mess has to be cleaned up somehow (internally and externally), but I cant even say on which side I am (God no God?),frankly I dont care: so maybe I am very sympathetic to the "no god" guys...and recognize the bright ones of the god guys too.

[m1thr0s]

yeah...that seems to be the ticket K...individuals area lot more dynamic than their accustomed rhetorics as a rule...kind of keeps us on our toes cuz you might find unexpected genius coming from any lameass paradigm at all really...we're all just passing through this shit anyway I think.

m1thr0s

[Amur]

I do wonder sometimes Amur why it is that you seem to miss the fact that all of this is provided for in the Abra System itself...the removal of the Royal Dog (as you say)...the restoration of True, or Elemental God by virtue of an entire mathematics geared to this very effort...

I can only imagine that it is not yet time for you to recognize this...or perhaps you feel you have left it in some other form that may somehow serve you better...I really don't know.

What I do know is that there is nothing you have spoken of that is not immediately doable within the very system you seem unable to fully recognize...and that's ok...I'm not pushing it like some sort of unwanted candy or anything...it's just that I don't know of anything else in this whole damn world that can actually do these things!



Funny you mention that. As when I wrote the reply I felt that some part of me actually resisted the Abrahadabra system and then you reply like that. It's making me glad that you actually reply like that and make the resistance inside me go away.

Actually I've been working on other levels. I'm not yet sure what I'm doing myself, but apparently it is something very big. Might be that I'm truly insane, but I know that I've been following something which I'm not yet sure at all what it is. It's given great and terrible experiences with alot of different things. All I know is that it has something to do with restoring Unity inside people and making the people go in contact with their own God/Soul through Nature alone. To do that I must remove the upper God and the lower 'Satan'. I really do not like what some people have written into this planet, which is this odd dualism with so called spirituality. Funny someone mentioned that spirituality is actually our lost own Nature. Another tribe in Siberia mentioned that when man looses contact with Nature he dies spiritually. This is why I'm actually trying to make the Unique God signal come from Below instead of Above. Seems like many agencies do not actually like this deal as they would loose their power over the people. I actually thought about removing all Above signals and make them come from the real Below instead(the core of the planet consciousness itself for example).

Not sure what I'm doing but all I know is that I'm certainly quite insane and have a very messed up inner life. For some reason my brain hemispheres are polarized from each other, so that when one side answers with yes, the other answers with no. And this is almost in everything I do or feel. When one feels one thing, the other feels exact the opposite thing. Seems like God&Satan(Doing the opposite of God) is really embedded in this heh.

I actually can't wait to start looking at things mathematically, as by nature I am very mathematical and like all kinds of mathematical things very much. Since I have these emotional problems and this weird dualism thing along with alot of weird spirits harrasing and alot of agencies that wouldn't like to see me too intelligent as I would be a threat to them. It might all be different parts of my own psyche or consciousness that has become too scared to actually take this intuitive Knowledge of within. Actually has felt like this body has been in a state of panic since I saw all the odd things when awakening. Certainly gotten very paranoid about alot of things and it hasn't helped to see and feel how energies work. At the same time I've gathered alot of experience about different things and actually know how many things do work. Unfortunately much of this is forbidden to speak about as it would ruin peoples experiences in this dimension.

Feels like I actually haven't seen my own dreams for many many years, which means that it seems that my own connection to my own soul is somehow broken up by something. Anyway it will probably heal with time and nature.

[m1thr0s]

I'm glad you aren't upset over my (slight) frustration Amur...it certainly isn't directed at you in any kind of personal way.

I am somewhat in the dark as to the physical element involved here. You obviously have a unique situation of some kind going on here.

The Abrahadabra Meditation System is all about balancing opposites so I would venture to guess that if anything of this sort can help things...it would be one of them. Dualities can very often be converted into Polarities that coordinate with each other instead of pulling away from each other. Opposite ends can be balanced at the middle at the level of visualization but if there are physical obstructions beyond the norm, these may have to addressed separately. In all instances I know of, the two approaches can still be applied together.

You've seen a lot of doctors...is that correct? Are they in any kind of agreement what is going on with you? It's not that I would take their opinion for gospel or anything but I assume they have run tests and have access to information I have not seen. Perhaps they should be involved in any visualization practices you take on...perhaps not...I suppose you will have to be the judge of that.

Let me know if there is anything I can do to be of any use if you do decide to begin working in these areas.

m1thr0s