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Kuroyagi

05-06-2007, 01:50 PM

Is it ok in poetry, I hope? Id like to collect some sayings and thoughts I have strewn all over the net here...and will add if I feel like it:

Realism is the art of creating reality: Necessity to develop strategies to break out of entropic systems like solar systems or galaxies and make oneself independent of them.

Nature as a concept was invented in the 18th century and destroyed in the 21st century.

The freer human beings deem themselves, the easier it is to indoctrinate them.(I had posted this already on the forum somewhere ;))

Truth is necessity’s glamour.

It irritates the plebeian soul if a thing is defended by its beauty.

Mankind thinks it can correct its mistakes by repetition.

Being young means: to be afraid to be thought of as stupid. Being old means: to be afraid to be stupid.

The deeper a conviction, the more trivial is the formula of its expression.

The audience applauds a work of art if it is obviously good or obviously bad.

I don’t refute capitalism because it furthers inequality but because it facilitates the rise of cretins into positions of power.

The only gate into eternity is Immediacy!

The result of a purely aesthetic science is diversity in method and disciplines (as it obviously is in today’s world).

Postmodern art: while artists try to fulfill beauty or art in their being the artwork itself is often degraded to an embellishing life-style trinket.
True art which we will make access to has these two characteristics:
- It will be recognized as a valid tool of cognition
- It will fully manifest itself in reality and be a tool for production of reality and not merely a representation or depiction of it.
Thereby it will have a position that it hadn’t had since the archaic era of ancient Greece, yet more powerful.

The innermost chagrin of most demons is that they can know everything but cannot create anything.

Kuroyagi

05-06-2007, 02:01 PM

The mortal enemy of the Christian God is the non-believer who knows respect.

Culture is everything that they dont teach you at university!

We can praise things that we admire by resisting the urge to imitate them.

Mathematic axioms and religious dogmas can neither be confirmed nor disproved by experiment.

A hierarchically ordered society doesnt necessarily educate its members but a society based on complete equality never does.

Etcetc I'll add later maybe...

deviadah

05-07-2007, 08:38 AM

Nature as a concept was invented in the 18th century and destroyed in the 21st century

:laugh:

Kuroyagi

05-28-2007, 07:07 PM

Yeah that was also my first reaction when I thought about it. The reason I laughed was because of course this is not what we mean when we usually say "nature".

In order to better understand the usage and meaning of a fuzzy concept it can be helpful to narrow it down starting from its "negative" side.

Kuroyagi

07-22-2007, 10:04 AM

I just learned this through some experience in a poetry challenge today: if your work of art is applauded or lauded, then theres a high possibility of it being mediocre, if it is received benevolently or if others seem to be giving you good advice (and be as cold and objective torwards yourself as you can- magical training!!) then it was maybe bad...after all nobody hates a pathetic idiotic beginner or ignorant. but if it is met with outright hatred by your colleagues one has to become cautious and some euphoria can be allowed in, especially if they cant conjure up any convincing argumentation other than their general dislike and hatred of it, if they are too emotional: cause then its likely that you are onto something! "Confused but hateful": the best sign that people are faced with a new paradigm!

p.s. fortunately "being ignored" was no option there, but people like Schopenhauer can attest to that too.

deviadah

07-22-2007, 10:21 AM

I agree with you (mostly because I am often met with hatred :laugh:)!

But I guess I have had experiences with all of the above...

Kuroyagi

07-22-2007, 10:32 AM

Yeah so have I...

But its funny isnt it? How profoundly artists can actually hate one another...we here may be best friends, but if we were competing in the same category its more difficult sometimes...(of course there are exceptions and great cooperations too), but maybe very few in the poetic genre Id say...maybe in music this is very different.

Wonder how this is in the magical world...maybe the fact that I dont consider myself primarily as a magician or alchemist is one reason why I have no problem of accepting others if they are better...or maybe Im just a man of very little jealousy haha :rolleyes:....maybe magics a bit different cause its not ONLY art but more holistic, and also includes personal integrity and development as well as more scientific approaches too ("ideally"), yet if one looks at the bickerings of the various groups and orders and the enmity between different magicians its all the same...humans are humans...

deviadah

07-22-2007, 10:42 AM

Well that is why I practice SciArt and nothing else!

The problem with the world is that artists and scientists focus on a narrow field. For example a poet only does poetry and may dabble in paintings... a scientist only works with Cancer cells and nothing else... instead of writing poetry, doing DNA research and writing operatic music. If one did those three things the subjects would cross-over naturally and, perhaps, new discoveries in Science - and Art - might come.

It is well known that Einstein used artistic imagination to come up with scientific ideas... but this technique is not that common, not as common as it should be.

Also the reason I think there is less problems in poetry is that so many do it - but very few read it. Actually most poetry is boring. I don't think another artform is more smitten with cliches than poetry. Dada was the last time something happened... but I really don't know what the fuck I am talking about because I am not really that into poetry. Although I call all I write poetry - it is really not if compared to what the collective view as poetry. A long sunday with drips of rain on my window, the flowers are singing in my garden etc etc

I think Austin Osmond Spare is a great poet (but then again it is more than poetry).

Kuroyagi

07-22-2007, 11:15 AM

Yes thats partly also what I'm experimenting with!, cause all those designatons like: artist, poet scientist are unimportant when it comes down to it...who cares? In such mundane challenges as I meantioned and in contributions to magazines I use understandable normal topics and themes- also a few magical references- but I have also been writing "poetry" heavily using scientific termini for example, heck I have jokingly replaced "revered" quotations by guys like Goethe or Shakespeare with lines from movies and written theoretical essays about poetology, art history and literature in the FORM of fictional short stories, things that I probably couldnt publish...one can also use poetry (like music or all art) as spells of course and consider them more meta-paradigmatical...now if they also happen to be artistically good its even the better,they become much more powerful on all levels then, so one can refine ones arts skills and magical techniques both at the same time.

...yes if youre looking at those fulgurations, the processes that enabled the trailblazing discoveries in science by ppl like Newton Einstein Pauli then you always come upon things like intuition, dreams, "channeling", correlating ones everyday experiences and applying them to strange areas like quantum level spin theory (in this connection check eg the Jung Pauli dialogue)...it falls apart and is drawn together, interconnected...science and the stories it tells "of the big bang" the universe" etc, are basically nothing but very complex modern mythologies...natural "laws" are but approximations to the Great Mystery itself that are to be replaced if others seem better (20th century)...there are still people and also most artists who dont see that at all, but the classical categories are simply "out" in certain contexts, cause they are too restricting..

deviadah

07-22-2007, 11:22 AM

Yes, true...

And that is why I have a dream that has been going now for nine years. I want to create a haven for Scientists and Artists so they can live together - free from the obligations/restrictions from society - and create/discover and invent. To take SciArt to the next level.

I have talked to a lot of people about this and many like the idea (even more hate it... which proves that I am on the right track :p), but few will commit.

I have written things about it on forums before and people attack me, get really angry, call it Sect and Cult, Communist Commune and what not...

It is just a haven! One day it will happen, hopefully, even if I won't live to see it.

Note:
Art also includes esoteric subjects of course...

Kuroyagi

07-22-2007, 11:36 AM

While I dont hate that idea at all I must admit that Im somewhat very skeptical of it...but I myself am a bit of a loner...I mean as I said: "humans are humans"...well but maybe youre right and can come up with something good! I would want that to be realizable but I have lost "faith" in such ideas...I dont say: "never", if you have a good outline etc for it- then bring it up! I hope it could be realized too.

deviadah

07-22-2007, 11:48 AM

but I have lost "faith" in such ideas...
Don't do that, then the claws of plastic society wins!

I have an outline and you are welcome to read it. I am aware of the loner aspect, and there will be room for this. I have been thinking about this for a decade so it is not a spur of the moment idea.

Also some artforms need more people like music and film, and science does too.

Before you read the link I want you to be aware that it is not Dogma. It is just an idea - that can be changed - got to start with something...

Also there may seem to be rules, but the idea is not to have any, but certain rules need to be there (just as the spam rule here on AF for example.)

Also there is a segment concerning MEAT which maybe should be taken out - when it was written I dreamed of a vegetarian world... but people eat what they eat I guess. The idea is for this place to be self-sustainable though and who wants to breed animals and kill them themselves? As I have said what you will read is not the Law, just a proposal.

Also I call the thing the LAB, this does not mean that it will be its name. But it has to be called something so I can speak about it...

Finally the aim of this thing is to enlighten mankind, not get rich - and to live doing what one loves to do: create and/or discover!

If interested READ (http://thelablogblog.blogspot.com/)

Kuroyagi

07-22-2007, 12:10 PM

Thanks did you know that I have actually looked at your blog before (saw your pic- the guy with shaved hair..or no! maybe I saw something on youtube by you?)

Well Im not a veg at all but Im very aware of many aspects of this consumption circle...also my great grandfather once had a big well..farm to say it humbly and Im used to seeing animals killed on this "small" rural level (meaning not animal "factories") and hunts etc....

The biggest problem though is that science and the business world have the near monopoly on the instruments most of the best gear, and papers...I myself am not a natural scientist and all I know of it I ve learned through intro books...the form of m1thr0sian high power occultism is the only thing that gets close to it (and supercedes it even in form of its "realistic" aim)...but good that you think of it...hm if youre interested in such social models, I just saw on tv and recommended to another guy a link to some industrial tycoon who actually proposed a basic income for all ppl "who are alive" independant of whether they workor not...getiing additional income for working...he had some very good arguments going...http://www.unternimm-die-zukunft.de/index.php?id=76

Having said all that I was never that much into this political stuff..but check it if you like...;)...

deviadah

07-22-2007, 12:17 PM

I will check it out tonight when I am alone (at work now). But I have done several financial plans myself in order to finance these things...

Also the guy you saw was not me - but he and I are both working to get this LAB going. You will not have seen me... I try to keep my face in the shadows...

I am a loner too so I understand you. I fucking hate politics.

Shit, we've really Off Topic now... but I guess this is what aphorims do. You should post more of them. I like them (not meaning they are shit :laugh:)

As a closure to this post I will write, not really an aphorism more my personal maxim: Fuck the World!

:twisted:

Kuroyagi

07-22-2007, 03:39 PM

Shit, we've really Off Topic now... but I guess this is what aphorims do. You should post more of them. I like them (not meaning they are shit :laugh:)
Well, what I wrote about love & hatred etc is to be especially applied to that "duelling" situation where artists have to evaluate others in direct confrontation, and only in respect to my experience there- its not to be generalized into eternity, but thanks for the thumbs up. I do realize though that those aphorisms are not intended for this crowd here-they are more mainstream, generally philosophical, yeah you could call them "popular"...and its ok to be OT if the mods dont object, I dont mind at all...speaking of, I also wanted to tell you in connection with the magical application that the poem that I recited today and that had generated such hatred (as none of mine had ever before, actually)- is from a group of pieces with the working title that translates as: Songs of Saturn (though nothing in its content points to it). But it was written in the morning with a very special intent and it certainly has this kind of powerful energy: generating despair all around while I myself remained absolutely calm, "pleasurably" cold Id even say...hahaha! The training I received by the sorceress NC in the last months has paid off...

Well "fuck the world":if you took that litterally it sounded like an AOS quote! But Id never propagate such!- Im too light-hearted you know. ;)

Ok, so I'll also check out your model when having some time...dont work too much hehehe...:)

Naomi

07-22-2007, 06:35 PM

God did you post that here somewhere? I want to hear it you know I love anything Saturnian.

I trained you?! What did I do?!

I guess I don't mean to generate despair. I'm just comfortable with nihilism, the end of the world means very little to me in the long run - I've seen it and remember it. It would be a fact to state I remember a time when the end of the universe was not only nigh, it came about, and then, the GREAT REBOOT happened.

I was too silly then to know anything about such things so it felt like a dream - not real. Thus there is no suffering in the destruction. Death is one of a magician's true friends - destruction a puppet. SOmething about terror follows in the wake of those two but it's just a misunderstanding on a huge scale.

Anyways I just had a nap and there was a dream I had about about Mithras First I was in this sewer wandering down some wretched tunnels through a maze of swampy or radioactive water, this went on for probably an hour, some parts I don't remember. Then I found myself in military barracks under the ground it was very cramped and uncomfortable, I had t oget pretty flexible to navigate some of the crawlspaces - good thing I am not claustrophobic. After I rested in a really uncomfortable and cramped little bed space for about 20 seconds, suddenly I found the exit! I pulled myself out and up and dropped down onto the hard dirt floor.

Then there for some reason Mithras was being featured on a TV special and they were talking about the similarities between Mithras and Jesus Christ, the typical fare really - but then they started getting into stuff about how maybe there never really was a god at all, and man had the entire universe within him the whole time. The final thoughts of the show were something like - if only we had picked up on this sooner we may have captured the true spirit of xmas and not some clever trick, but now evening approaches and it looks like there's absolutely no hope.

But I could see on my ceiling (I guess in the astral) that there was a picture of Mithras being drawn on there by an invisible hand in gold leaf. Then I got up in my house - it was dark and twilight, and locked the doors and closed the blinds. Then I heard some guy say "Time to wake up.."

And so, I woke up, and I was surprised to find the sun still shining...lol..I felt really peaceful, and that was nice...

deviadah

07-23-2007, 10:34 AM

dont work too much hehehe...:)
Obviously I don't since I am posting a lot here... :laugh:

Kuroyagi

07-23-2007, 02:06 PM

I trained you?! What did I do?!
Not much, only communicating, basically; but you know...I'm a very good student at times.

Kuroyagi

08-08-2007, 06:32 PM

Here is some more of my half philosophic, half poetic madness:

Lerne dich selbst zu verachten im Spiegel derer, die dich bewundern! (Learn to despise yourself in the mirror of those who admire you!)

He who entered died and begat himself.

To remain in the Nothing means to create yet another prison.

If there is something that I hate its idiots, and when I have hated them enough they will start to bore me and then I hate them even more. ;)

Freedom can unfold itself only fully when fighting necessity.

Every new idea is at first declared contrary to reason, then contrary to religion and when it has overcome those two obstacles it is finally declared to be "old hat".

Invent types, fit them to the characters of nature, improve them incessantly and print them on the world!

A text is syncopic if it repeatedly contradicts itself but still flows undisturbed ahead.

(...) le devoir de l'homme est d'etre toujours pret a mourir obscurément pour ses dieux. (Banville)

With the passing of time the works of the comedian turn into a classic whereas the dramatist's will become ridiculous.

Wisdom is nothing else than common sense and (life) experience; yet idealism is the irrestistable urge to believe in a better future.

A parvenu may be cunning and even intelligent but if there is one thing that he is immune to, it is honest and pointed critique of the thing or person he aspires to copy. Since his opinions are not his own to begin with he is forced into a relentlessly dogmatic standpoint. This is so because if he gave it up he would automatically loose the fundaments of his existence as well. That’s why he must be unforgiving to any transgressor or else he would have to admit that his life is not his own.

deviadah

08-08-2007, 06:37 PM

If there is something that I hate its idiots, and when I have hated them enough they will start to bore me and then I hate them even more.
Very nice...

Hate is an underestimated emotion. There is a lot of this LOVE shit going around, especially in New Age circles. I am aware of the fact that if you keep hate and anger within it weakens you, and love does the opposite. I know I have experienced it. But there is a beauty in the darkness... and when I am angry I feel more creative. I get a fire!

I love hate and I love love... and I sincerely hate everything inbetween. Either or, nothing more!

Ci Celli Ddu

08-08-2007, 06:40 PM

The crow sees her chick as being white.

Kuroyagi

08-08-2007, 07:34 PM

Very nice...

Hate is an underestimated emotion. There is a lot of this LOVE shit going around, especially in New Age circles. I am aware of the fact that if you keep hate and anger within it weakens you, and love does the opposite. I know I have experienced it. But there is a beauty in the darkness... and when I am angry I feel more creative. I get a fire!

I love hate and I love love... and I sincerely hate everything inbetween. Either or, nothing more!
Hey Im quite with you there. Maybe folllowing anecodete is not quite up your alley but when a French noble dame was asked to go underground for the time of the Revolution she said: "well...I could imagine to pose as a farmer, possible yes, but bourgeoise (mediocrity)- NEVER!" :laugh:

No, but you're right: hate is a taboo in today's society (for a good reason of course)...

If you have a good martial arts teacher then he'll lead you through your hatred..normally one would only be told to "calm oneself, or do some sports etc. to get rid of it", but if you really are given the chance to act it out, then it can be very fulfilling and satisfying...fun things can happen like: after you keep up your *anger* and shout it out in the face of a "tough"/well trained person you will start to even laugh or instead of being powered out (as normally) you feel more *knowledgeable* about it, "cooy" knowing a part of yourself that you havent realized up to that point...thanks for making me think about it, dev.!

deviadah

08-08-2007, 07:42 PM

I keep it stored up, and save it for when I need it. Then after a few weeks some stupid woman says tells me I am in the way or some trainconductor wants to see my ticket: and I let all that anger and hate out through my eyes + some dark poetry.

What happens is FEAR! And I leave the scene victorious... I guess it is a form of magic, because I am aware of what I am doing.

Also I have learned that if you ever get in a fight situation, and you know you can't win, but you don't want to loose the best thing to do is start hitting yourself very hard in the face saying: come on let's go - or something of that kind. This creates utter fear in your opponent and they back away!

You will not suffer much pain, becuase even though you hit yourself very hard it is still by your own hand. And it is fun to watch the other guys expression!

Also it is very effective because you get yourself worked up, your body ready, so if the opponent attacks anyway you are better equipped to receieve his or her blows. Which could aid you in defeating the individual!

Here endeth the lesson!

:cool:

Kuroyagi

08-08-2007, 07:55 PM

A good lesson sensei! I'm with you- of course its different with different characters (persons. dev, K. etc), we have to work with what we have and can. But I also use some of that craziness for sure- I apply it for *distraction* and confusion of the opponent, as you said dev-sensei.

If I am in a situation where someone gets on my nerves or wants to offend/attack me (street level), I have found out that its very profitable to at first let out your utmost hatred and then *suddenly* re-focus and be very very calm- this seems to be incredibly disturbing or fear-inspiring to most ppl...yeah and: "learn to dogde" and "mind your surroundings" is also an all time favourite...

deviadah

08-08-2007, 08:33 PM

Interesting, never tried it...

I enjoy this thread... it is an interesting discussion going all over the place yet it somehow follows a pattern...

:cool:

Kuroyagi

08-08-2007, 09:42 PM

Most amazing synchronicity just happen: I went outside for a stroll to smoke a cig (was about 2:30 a.m.) and got into a small fight with two youths, they were quite aggressive, wanted to have my cigs etc...one of them hit me on the side of head, I let it happen to de-esaclate, just dodged unobtrusively to the side, but then I got annoyed...nothing bad happened, in the end I chased them away...lol..well probably a sign from the universe: "stop smoking, you idiot!!!" :laugh: amazingly I never have fights, maybe last one over ten years ago...

thanks for the kind words dev., yeah who knows where this thread will lead us yet! :)

deviadah

08-08-2007, 09:54 PM

That is amazing... maybe you should stop smoking (or smoke other things),

It is nice to have someone in the same timezone!

:cool:

Got to sleep now... not that I am tired, but have to work tomorrow (and sell some of my time)!

Kuroyagi

11-02-2007, 07:09 PM

The Secret (of the Philosopher's Stone) :

Is: There is no secret.
Is: Ha, Ha, Ha.
Is: "Just do it"

It's three-mixed.

re-Mixed.

Kuroyagi

11-02-2007, 07:11 PM

(Errare humanum est) "To err" is human, "to lie" is democratic!

The machine of society requires immorality as a lubricant.

Rich men are most disturbed by those who do not envy them.

The French Revolution was the high peak of the Gnostic flood.

A technician often talks to the layman with the arrogance of a sorcerer.

Kuroyagi

11-02-2007, 07:13 PM

That is amazing... maybe you should stop smoking (or smoke other things),

It is nice to have someone in the same timezone!

:cool:I stopped smoking actually since then. :P (yeah Im very strong willed and powerful ;))- also I have never smoked *anything*- I dont need it I think....

deviadah

11-08-2007, 08:18 AM

(Errare humanum est) "To err" is human, "to lie" is democratic!

Rich men are most disturbed by those who do not envy them.

I could have written these two (in terms of their spirit)!

Very funny too!

:laugh:

Nalyd Khezr Bey

11-14-2007, 06:33 PM

A technician often talks to the layman with the arrogance of a sorcerer.I dig this one a lot.:cool:

Kuroyagi

11-15-2007, 02:27 PM

Thanks Nalyd, I like the (literary) form of the aphorism a lot, and also people who "practice" it, like Nietzsche, Spare or La Rochefoucault. Somehow it is a certain perspective on life these people share, a certain "savoir faire", or "how to", though I must admit that many also very educated people look down on it. (a question of taste).

CCD: what you posted on the other hand sounds (to me) not like an aphorism but like an adage or a saying (depending on whether you penned it or not, did you?- its great btw!):

The crow sees her chick as being white.
While a saying is also "wise" and true, the difference is that it is anonymous (coming from "a people" or folktradition, a tribe etc.), while the aphorism is authored by a certain person. Both are very polished. Former maybe because of long telling and retelling and later cause of a (often subconscious) "thinking process" (gestation); of pondering and mulling things over. Thereby it is a very alchemistic method one applies here.

My English may lack here and there so that the translations are not as good as my original intention, but just imagine how much above sentence (A technician often talks to the layman with the arrogance of a sorcerer.)
would lose if you wrote "A technician often talks to the layman like a sorcerer" or even: "A technician is a sorcerer"...these latter two sentences are mere aspects that are intuited in the "original", and thereby contained in it.

Nalyd Khezr Bey

11-19-2007, 02:03 PM

"A technician is a sorcerer"You seemed to have known why I liked that particular aphorism. You obviously also remember those old discussions we all had about techne logos and magick.;)

So K, have you perused The Logomachy of Zos (http://www.hermetic.com/spare/logomachy.html)? On one level you could call that the aphorisms of Spare. It's also where I got my "cool art quote", assuming you meant my signature here on AF. Took me a while to figure out what quote you might be referring to.

Kuroyagi

11-19-2007, 03:20 PM

Yes, many of those discussions had much worth to me.

I have read those aphorisms once and they impressed me- though I couldnt remember that "art quote". I will certainly read them again.

Yes, sorry, next time I'll be more explicit- "wordier" :p- in my references...:)

Here some- any- spontaeous quote I picked up from that Zos-text, right now. It#s only the one my eye fell on, at first:
Birth and death begin, like everything else, before the event.

They are all pretty good. Even now I'm starting to think: "A revolution reaches its end at its (physical, violent) outbreak...", that's I Ching stuff!, the motorics of Changes. Spare simply had "IT", in my opinion. Well, just wait till I'll buy all those Grant books, then! :)

Nalyd Khezr Bey

11-19-2007, 08:55 PM

Yeah that "cool art quote" was evoked in much the same way; my eyes just fell on it and I thought I should make a signature out of it. I also like "A mystic is one who experiences more of himself than he can articulate."

Kuroyagi

11-19-2007, 09:32 PM

Hey I need to banish some delusions of grandeur it seems cause for a few seconds I thought: is that one by him or by me? :p

No, but that's also inspiring to me, as most of Spare's aphorisms. It instantly lets me see what is often wrong with the pseudo materialistic society and worldview, namely also that there "ought not" be things that can be *not* explained, anymore. Yet human beings- IMO- need things that cannot be explained, too..."and what might those be" (for me?) et cetera...an inspiring/enlightened man, indeed.

Nalyd Khezr Bey

12-05-2007, 01:13 PM

Do what you love and the money will come - after you’re dead.

m1thr0s

12-05-2007, 05:59 PM

Do what you love and the money will come - after you’re dead.oh xst...I think you're right. :(

m1

Nalyd Khezr Bey

12-05-2007, 06:23 PM

Sorry m1thr0s, I didn't mean to squash all of your dreams.:laugh: I just thought that was kind of funny so I stuck it in here where K seems to be collecting these little things.

Ci Celli Ddu

12-05-2007, 08:34 PM

A mugger is a sorcerer. Unless he's holding a banana, in which case he is merely an optimist.

Nalyd Khezr Bey

12-05-2007, 10:24 PM

Thanks for that. I'm not sure what I found funny in it but it did make me burst into some much needed laughter.:rofl:

Kuroyagi

12-06-2007, 10:44 AM

Thanks for your contributions! If the magical mindset has taught me anything then its how to "die in life"; things like changing perspective and be cool and stoic about my own "suffering". About that topic it has told me much more than about metaphysics.

Also Bananas is a word that bears many associations.

In fact every sentence here and also of Spare etc is worth a whole topic; so much could be said about e.g. the one Nalyd posted, about money and death, "dead matter" vs alchemical gold -active money and passive-, no lust for result and facing things you are most loath to face and thereby (if you dare do them) often magically can fulfill your "dreams" (that probably werent worth striving for to begin with ;))...

Kuroyagi

12-13-2007, 12:01 PM

Optimistic ideologies start out by shooting (bad) people out of love for all others:
In order to heal humankind.
At the end they are shooting people cause of retribution-
For the fact that humankind has turned out to be incurable.
(inspired by O.)

The rational mind in its spontaneous aspect is always aristocratic, because it is constituted by the ability to discern differences and establish ranks of importance.
(inspired by eradark & m1. on OF)

Cultures are a Work of those who assign to humankind a perspective beyond the mundane. Their destruction is a work of those who restrict the human being to the mundane sphere. (inspired by us all who are building a new, strong culture)

m1thr0s

12-18-2007, 11:08 PM

The rational mind in its spontaneous aspect is always aristocratic, because it is constituted by the ability to discern differences and establish ranks of importance.(inspired by eradark & m1. on OF)a fact entirely lost on certain mediating *influences* as we have seen...serves me right though...I've known all along where the real problem lies at that site...my new year's resolution is to cease and desist investing time and energy where it cannot possibly come to any good...

m1

m1thr0s

12-18-2007, 11:21 PM

MythMath

12-18-2007, 11:39 PM

sound bites, dammit... :mad:

m1thr0s

12-18-2007, 11:52 PM

yeah? is my form way off then?

I'm just playing along with this hoping to sort out the proper asana...

m1

MythMath

12-19-2007, 12:09 AM

Nah, I'm just being ornery... :yes:

Better than me razzing you about
the jeebus/einstein complex... :laugh:

m1thr0s

12-19-2007, 12:27 AM

I do see that technically I should be sticking to single sentences...although apparently run-on sentences are ok. For someone as addicted to...as I seem to be...that shouldn't be too hard to...perfect...lol

I like this form though...very alchemical...very *distillation* oriented... I just began with some familiar themes but I think I'll play around more with this...

m1

m1thr0s

12-19-2007, 12:44 AM

a stitch in time saves nothing - time is no respecter of fabrics.

hehe...

m1thr0s

m1thr0s

12-20-2007, 03:46 AM

Students Copy - Masters Steal: Perfection was never the province of the timid.

*roughly plagiarized from somebody...Picasso maybe? can't seem to find it...

m1thr0s

Nalyd Khezr Bey

12-20-2007, 04:17 PM

That's pretty close to Picasso's quote. Actually it's "Good artists copy. Great artists steal."

deviadah

12-20-2007, 05:06 PM

I favour Paul Gauguin:

There are only two kinds of artists: the plagiarist and the revolutionaries.

:cool:

m1thr0s

12-22-2007, 04:15 PM

This one's a paraphrased from T McKenna who paraphrased from someone else...again I am not certain who...

When something is controversial it is discussed: when it is revolutionary it is ignored.

m1thr0s

deviadah

12-22-2007, 04:40 PM

Kind of reminds me of Gandhi's words:

First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
:cool:

Kuroyagi

12-23-2007, 08:12 PM

a fact entirely lost on certain mediating *influences* as we have seen...serves me right though...I've known all along where the real problem lies at that site...my new year's resolution is to cease and desist investing time and energy where it cannot possibly come to any good...

m1Yeah m1, thanks for investing your time here then! (also in this thread)...I'd say you have paid your dues and done much "teaching" there already so you neednt feel bad for leaving or anyhting...you have given the forum a lot, and I myself also dont feel too inclined to invest much thought there, anymore...also I (for myself) have found confirmed here what I suspected about various established systems and am glad that I didnt -as many others- "waste" too much time (or lives) on them...its not a theoretical *elitist* statement but a practical cause I have tested this sys. against the others too. In certain aspects Im only at a very basic level still (and others who have more occult experience than me are better) but in others I have some great depth obviously that facilitates my forthcoming/advancement a lot. Thats also the reason why I will not anymore "bash" any others (also here) whose methods I consider as inferior but rather will strive to learn from them what I can, respectively wont ignore them in toto (holisticallly) but rather certain of their interests. (thats MY new years resolution then.)

best regards, K. :)

Kuroyagi

12-23-2007, 09:27 PM

at risk to repeating myself, maybe I can try a few of these...I'm assuming we are trying to stick to originals, correct?

there is not a lot of value in asserting that "every man and every woman is a star", unless one is intending to stipulate that every man and every woman is not a rock, a cactus, or a tree...

the phrase "there is no god but man" is technically incontrovertible, but this is not necessarily a good report: It renders god rather up to its eyeballs (?) in internal inconsistency that may or may not be able to redeem itself in time.

where is it written that the Tao must necessarily be passionless? In the Stars? On the Wind? In the Oceans? At the very core of Earth itself? All that is very certain is that it is not governed by that same caliber of passions that routinely undo men.

*that middle one may be too long...not sure...sort of a mini-essay I fear...maybe they all are...

m1thr0sI think as pertaining lenght its still all very short...if you look at Nietzsches writings then you can have "aphorisms" that will turn into little essays and prose poetry...the middle one is hard for me to understand cause of the English...but Im very sleazy and fucked up right now over the holidays (of course I dont have a regular job but Im going with the flow of society here, still in this respect ;))...the last sentence is very very good in my view: especially the conclusio (just as it should be): "that routinely undo men"...thats so good and true, not only the routine (that suggests "by routine") but also the general meaning: thats very High magickal/mystical there also from experience: "to be stoic" or "to neither love nor hate" does (in my view) NOT mean to not love or hate but to "not be affected beyond a certain point by ones loves and hates"; that meaning of "to act" in that Indian/tantric- or Zen- sense, indeed. And yet again theres the general meaning of the whole of it, too that is also a good insight by itself: that the TAO neednt be passionless.

You have very many good aphorisms also hidden in your general prose, too. It only needs a deep soul that is able to extricate them. Yes, there was the thread by Naomi about your "favourite quotes"...that was insightful in this respect, yet too possesive of the others being: this way is the opposite: its not ripping something out of anothers work but rather letting everyone do it himself: thats the difference between me and her in character basically. I have to say that I view it as highly offensive to be quoted (esp. out of context) whereas I think its inspirational to contribute out of my free volition and read others quotes that are given freely, too.

m1thr0s

12-25-2007, 01:10 AM

I haven't seen the "favorite quotes" thread...maybe I'd better not go looking for it...

this form is very interesting...I do think I may actually think in this way somehow already...but it would take a little work to hone it...get past all the obvious stuff and delve a little more deeply into pronged metaphors and so on...

m1thr0s

Ci Celli Ddu

12-29-2007, 08:11 AM

All work and no play makes Jack a sociopath

m1thr0s

12-30-2007, 03:55 AM

cats are sociopathic - dogs are just plain dumb...

m1

Naomi

02-03-2008, 03:27 AM

am I a space alien? YES, I AM OUTERSPACE

- ananta

is that right? or am I doing this all wrong?

how about

chaos makes absolutely no sense. thats what I love about her....

Kuroyagi

02-03-2008, 06:34 AM

A Work of art is not predictable: it has to manifest in order to prove its concrete possibilities.

The necessity of strict criticism in art is made evident by the fact that the artist can overcome his weaknesses but cannot acquire a new "genius".

Being praised we may at times doubt the sincerity of the one who praises us yet never do we doubt the truth of the praise itself.

Two persons of intelligence never contradict one another without secretly smiling.

He who makes presents should be grateful to him who accepts them and not vice versa for the reason that by accepting a gift the receiver either allows the giver a future boon or secures him his benevolence (in case of superiority) or acknowledges by his accepting it a status of equality between them.

Deep convictions are usually transmitted silently.