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Darin Hamel
05-08-2007, 04:12 PM
This is a combination of many ideas and especially the Heroes Journey. I put it in comparative mythology because I have been trying to find the common thread. If a moderator wants to move this go ahead. I am new and havent really got a feel for these forums yet.

PURGATION:

The Call- The spiritual journey begins with the instinctive call to become more than we are. Intuitively we know there is more to life and the universe than we can see and we begin to search for it blindly. This is normally after a period of great loss.


The False Start- The call is heard but we don’t seem up to the task and often fail, backslide or retreat from the call because of our spiritual immaturity.
The world is just so big and we seem so small and the destination seems so far away.

The Male Guide- We meet a male guide who teaches us a strict ethical code and the basics of meditation.

Testing the Will- We must surrender to the will of the universe as we are purified by an internal fire. It is a harsh first step, but the uncreated light destroys those not prepared for it.

Crossing the First Threshold- After a while of strict ascetic practice we breach the first veil of the universe and appear outside of our physical body in another intangible body.

ILLUMINATION:

The Road of Trials- At first the new spiritual reality we are exposed to is overwhelming. New challenges and ordeals strengthen the inner man. Out of body experiences are common at this stage but are an unhealthy aberration and not to be encouraged or sought.

The Conflict with the Material- Through the practice of meditation our priorities fall away from things of the world and begin to center on eternal things to the detriment of all else in our lives.

The Female Guide- The Lady in white makes her first visionary appearances speaking to us the most sublime truths to guide us to relax, trust our feelings and open ourselves to the wisdom deep within us.

The Testing of the Feelings- This is the experience of being drawn above yourself and feeling a sort of high speed flight through a tunnel until we reach its end and light blazes before our inner vision.

Crossing the Second Threshold- While actively going about your day you un-expectantly enter the vision of the universal uncreated light. Basking in this light fulfills every desire, heals every wound and proves that all living things are connected.

DARK NIGHT:

Refusal of Return- After seeing the ultimate and experiencing perfect contentment, all the pleasures in this perishable world becomes worthless and we do not wish to return to the toil and suffering of everyday life.

The Escape- We withdraw from the world because we lose the ability to interact with it in any meaningful way because the uncreated light is remaking our entire being. Homelessness is common at this stage.

The Angel Guide- While we may have withdrawn into the wilderness a messenger is sent by the universe to convince us to return to the world.

Testing the Intellect- Remaining true to natural law, perennial philosophy and overcoming the desert tests of presumption, doubt and despair, is the intellectual testing.

Crossing the Return Threshold- This period is one of great introspection and the creation of a magnum opus that is in true accord with the eternal Art and Way.

ASCENSION:

Master of Two Worlds- This stage begins with an entrance into the unknowable, unfathomable and unexplainable during meditation. Levitations and bio-luminescence are common in this stage.

Becoming the Guide- This is a period of intense activity and now we teach the wisdom gained often with the ability to work miracles as proof of spiritual accomplishment. Because our message is contrary to what the world at large teaches, the powers of the world usually strike out at us to destroy our work and message.

The Ascended Guide- Now we meet with some of those who have gone before us into ascension, to guide, support and encourage us towards the final test.

The Test of Death- The final test is to fully accept our own death, unto death. This test along with the others is a chrysalis for us to become more than what we were before.

Crossing the Third Threshold- The last threshold is the final one where our bodies become glorified and we ascend into the radiant non-physical realms.

Naomi
05-08-2007, 04:37 PM
I find it very intriguing how you have this knack for analyzing and mapping pathways. I'm really terrible at keeping track of dates and orders of events. I somehow feel if I was able to put them in order the right way things would suddenly make more sense. It's been troubling me more and more lately.

Did you make this list from your own studies or is it from a book somewhere?

All the best,

Naomi

Darin Hamel
05-08-2007, 07:48 PM
I find it very intriguing how you have this knack for analyzing and mapping pathways. I'm really terrible at keeping track of dates and orders of events. I somehow feel if I was able to put them in order the right way things would suddenly make more sense. It's been troubling me more and more lately.

Did you make this list from your own studies or is it from a book somewhere?

All the best,

Naomi
Its my own invention but I drew heavily on Joseph Campbell. I have had so many crazy things happen to me over the years that now I am trying to figure out the pattern of what I have gone through to try and predict what might happen next.

I think there is an archtypical pattern to all human experience like the common growth stages of our physical bodies, the psychological growth of our minds which are a little more varied and then the stages of spiritual growth that are even more varied than psychological growth.

I also think that each reflects the others so if you understand the basic underlying principles of physical growth you can see the patterns in both psychological and spiritual growth.

Naomi
05-08-2007, 09:34 PM
Awesome. I'm going to try looking at this from my own perspective and maybe post my results. It beats what I've been trying to do so far with my written timeline, I'm already seeing a couple of similarities.

I read Joseph Campbell in college for game design actually, so I know what you're talking about. I never thought of applying it to spiritual processes, though fractally that makes sense.

MythMath
05-08-2007, 09:53 PM
I read Joseph Campbell in college for game design actually....
What do you mean by this...?

Naomi
05-08-2007, 10:27 PM
Apparently most game designers follow Joseph Campbell's work in designing storylines for games, especially adventure/roleplaying games. There's a whole book based on his work geared towards the game design audience. I don't recall the name or anything, but I was made to write several papers on it tailored to my own fictional games. I lent my books to my brother who is studying programming for game design. We were working on an indie project together but it's on the backburner for now while he finishes school. (im not even interested in it atm tho)

If I ever get it back I can mail it to you or whatever, I don't really want it.

Darin Hamel
05-08-2007, 11:12 PM
Awesome. I'm going to try looking at this from my own perspective and maybe post my results. It beats what I've been trying to do so far with my written timeline, I'm already seeing a couple of similarities.

I read Joseph Campbell in college for game design actually, so I know what you're talking about. I never thought of applying it to spiritual processes, though fractally that makes sense.
You've made your own timeline? I have another with purely Christian symbolism plus one for the Chakras but they both revolve around the concept of 7 year cycles. I am dying to see someone elses.

Naomi
05-09-2007, 07:19 AM
Yeah well I am polishing it up as we speak, trying to figure some things out, so when I finish I'll post it here and you can analyze it. I would be interested in seeing your opinions. Mine doesn't revolve around concepts, just my own experiences and ones I picked up on as more human than human. :)

Darin Hamel
03-11-2008, 06:19 PM
Yeah well I am polishing it up as we speak, trying to figure some things out, so when I finish I'll post it here and you can analyze it. I would be interested in seeing your opinions. Mine doesn't revolve around concepts, just my own experiences and ones I picked up on as more human than human. :)
Did you post it yet?

m1thr0s
03-11-2008, 11:58 PM
You always seem to me to have a great ability at filling in the gaps Darin...something I am horribly deficient in myself...I do sometimes wish it were more possible to pool some of these skills together in real time...I can just smell a ferocious mystical training program emerging...

ah well...steady as she goes for now...

m1thr0s

Darin Hamel
03-13-2008, 09:16 AM
You always seem to me to have a great ability at filling in the gaps Darin...something I am horribly deficient in myself...I do sometimes wish it were more possible to pool some of these skills together in real time...I can just smell a ferocious mystical training program emerging...

ah well...steady as she goes for now...

m1thr0s
Thanks, where do you live? PM me if thats too personal and you dont want the entire world to know.

I think the hardest part of such a program is determining exactly where someone was on the tree to start them out. They would need to write a detailed autobio first.

Dang it! You got me started on it! :mad:

Naomi
03-13-2008, 02:25 PM
Lamed 6 years ago, that's when I fired up the Iktomi archetype person....

I will write detailed autobiography later tonight ok? Maybe not tonight, so much to do around here, oy....

I didn't post anything yet because I Still can't make heads or tails of it and a good portion of the stuff is still labeled Top Secret so to speak, as I am going through the process much of it is just not available to reveal to everyone, not trying to be coy, I just don't have any unrisky way of conveying it all...maybe later...

m1thr0s
03-17-2008, 02:19 PM
Thanks, where do you live? PM me if thats too personal and you dont want the entire world to know.Olympia Washington for the last couple of years...nowhere near as cool as Seattle but affordable...

m1