View Full Version : Mutational Alchemy in a Nutshell...
m1thr0s
07-27-2006, 04:59 AM
Overview
Despite the fact that the term Mutational Alchemy is not very well known, it derives from very traditional sources and constitutes a very clear implications once these are understood. Mutational Alchemy is a branch of Hermetic Alchemy that specializes in the analysis and manipulation of *elements* as defined in very simple geomantic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomantic) terms...most notably the binary and ternary mathematics of the I Ching (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching) and the more complex (and more obscure) Tai Hsuan Ching (http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/ichgene6.html#TaiHsuanChing) in particular. Our reasons for focusing on this specific area of elemental continuum are rooted in a number of things at once, but it should be remembered that Hermeticism is particularly interested in the most efficient means of altering *vibration* rates and ratios both in psyche and in matter. While many other branches of esotericism have ventured off into complex variations on this same essential theme, Hermeticism is distinguished by having stuck very close to its own core assumptions and has thus managed to become more specialized in the "transmutation of lead into gold", which, for a Hermetic Alchemist, is pure metaphor for the transformation of "base" mind and matter into something considerably more "pure" and refined. There are, in fact, all kinds of ways one might attempt to achieve this. Mutational Alchemy is aimed at the most efficient means possible given the shortest span of time. It attempts to "hack away the inessentials" as the I Ching paraphrases it and go directly to the physics involved.
Hermeticism has alway held a special allegiance to the Ogdoad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad) and the Ennead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennead) as constituting a central principle in its own philosophy of mind and matter, yet the reasons for this have never been entirely clear. The binary and ternary mathematics of the far east provide the clearest explanation for this possible at this time, yet have generally been treated as a quaint curiosity at best by most western thinkers, until more recently when it became recognized that the underscoring mathematics of DNA and the I Ching are identical. It has taken the unexpected emergence of Genetics Science to return us full circle to the clarity and the universiality of these ancient metaphysical constructs.
In order to get a clear understanding of how this works it is usually best to begin with the binary system and examine how it operates. Most of us by now have at least heard of the four-elemental universe somewhere, comprised of Fire, Air, Earth and Water, which unite in Aether, or Spirit, synonymously. The Western system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_element) is commonly assigned to pre-socratic philosophy but the Ayurvedic model clearly came much earlier and The Chinese have long had their version of this as well. In all cases the development of these ideas played a huge role in the advance of medical science from very early times. We hear a lot about the psychological aspects of all of this, but what we do not often hear is why these systems might have any basis in physics and it is generally maintained that this whole elemental logic is pseudo-scientific and only pertains to the mind anyway. Hermeticists have typically turned a blind eye to this criticism since, for them, mind and matter are an integrated whole anyway, but it nevertheless leaves a general misconception lying about that will eventually have to be put right.
Binary Elements
In defining the chronological manifestation of all rungs of mind and matter from the highest to the lowest, the Tao Te Ching stipulates: From the Nothing cometh the One: From the One cometh the Two: From the Two cometh the Three: From the Three cometh the Miriad (ten thousand) Things. Each of these categories comes to represent its own distinct principle.
Wu Chi
http://abrahadabra.com/images/wuchi.sm.jpg
Technically, the Tao forever remains that which cannot be understood. This is a vital ingredient in Taoist thought so that it is the Wu Chi - The Formless Infinite Nothingness from which Yin and Yang derive that best represents *Nothing* and which can, at length, be properly understood.
Tai Chi
http://abrahadabra.com/images/taichi.sm.jpg
The Tai Chi is preeminently the symbol of Unity in the Binary Elemental System and defines Yin and Yang in a state of perfect equilibrium virtually indistinguishable at the altitude of the Tai Chi itself. It is that property best qualified to be called *The One* and is equivalent to the *Monad* in Greek thought.
Yin
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Two outstanding principles account for the ebb & flow of all matter and mind in the binary system. The first of these is called the Yin which is called the feminine principle in nature and is assigned the values of receptivity, formation, contraction, and is identified as a recessive flux. The Chinese sages were in general agreement that the Yin manifests before the Yang and assigned it the general numerical value of 2.
Yang
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The second outstanding principle is called the Yang which is the masculine principle in nature and assigned the value of creativity, extension, expansion, and is identified as an active flux. It should be noted that Yin and Yang are not so much a duality as they are an innate polarity extant throughout all of nature. The Yin is sometimes defined as *light in the dark* as opposing the *banners in the light* paraphrasing of the Yang. The point of this really is to hyphenate that Yin and Yang are not really dualistic opposites so much as they are interactive polarities, found at all levels of mind and matter. The Chinese sages assigned the Yang a standing value of 3.
The Four Forces
http://abrahadabra.com/images/binary.bigrams.jpg
The Chinese sages did not assign the Four Forces the conventional Hermetic values of Fire, Air, Earth and Water as a rule, but there is no reason not to do so so long as you understand that this is an extrapolation based upon what the physics itself allows...not a true representation of Chinese philosophy itself. Rather they begin their discussion of *elements* with the Eight Principal Trigrams, which I will not present in this immediate article. In general, bigrams constitute the most basic compound structures possible and can justifiably be regarded as core elemental constituents. Historically, binary structures tend to group primarily in pairs of bigrams or trigrams above and below. Though it would be technically possible to continue this kind of stacking indefinitely, The Chinese confined themselves primarily to bigrams, trigrams, tetragrams and hexagrams. Curiously, this is precisely how DNA/RNA codification operates as well.
Ternary Elements
Probably the first thing that needs to be said about the ternary system of the bigrams (referred to elsewhere as Bigrammaton) is that we don't really have a clear idea just how old it really is. We know it is at least as old as the King Wen version of the I Ching but beyond that the facts are unclear. What we have of it is assigned to Yang Hsiung (also Yang Xiong (http://www.iep.utm.edu/y/yangxion.htm)), completed in about 2BCE, yet according to Yang Hsiung's own account this was actually a restoration project he undertook to recover what was already an ancient book of wisdom in his own time. It differs from the binary I Ching in a number of important ways but the single most important difference is that it includes a third primordial principle called the *Jen* principal which translates into *Intelligence*, *Spirit*, and *Mankind*, predominently. It's structure is such that it mainly unfolds as layered bigrams corresponding to the positions of Heaven (above), Man (middle) and Earth (below) to yield 9 principal bigrams, 81 tetragrams or 729 hexagrams in total. The mean of 729 (middle number) is 365 and it happens that this system is able to track the 365 day year with great precision, being internally flexible enough to also pick an additional day every four years. Had it not been for political upheavals in Yang Hsiung's own time we have every good reason to think that China very nearly opted for this calender system which had already been devised and was ready to be launched...something which never did finally happen in the end. In any case the mathematics remains intact and the system's relationship to time in general is especially strong on a number of important fronts.
Tai Hsuan
http://abrahadabra.com/images/taihsuan.sm.jpg
Returning to the Tao Te Ching, it is the principle of the Tai Hsuan (the Great Mystery) which occupies the position of *Nothing*in the chronological unfolding of mind and matter from the highest to the lowest rungs. We might be inclined to position it at Crown (like the Tai Chi) but Abrahadabra itself ultimately overrules this, which I will attempt to show as this manifesto unfolds. The Tai Hsuan principle must occupy the position of Apex in Abrahadabra or the entire logic collapses into gibberish. By its very nature, the Tai Hsuan governs over all ebbs and flows of mind and matter...its comings, its goings, and all manner of courses it may take. Because it incorporates the element of *intelligence* itself, it must necessarily reside at the highest seat accessable to intelligence, which in the final analysis is called Ain Soph Aur (sometimes simply Ain Soph) relative to the Qabbalistic Tree of Life. Though this assertion should not be accepted at face value, there is at this time simply no other proper conclusion I can assert and is the position I will be maintaining throughout, pending proof positive of any superior conclusion.
T'ien (Heaven)
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Because we are dealing with time moreso than matter in the ternary system and how time itself unfolds, it is T'ien (Heaven), the Active Principle, that comes to occupy the relationship of *One*. Just as Aries (cardinal fire) marks the 1st House in Astrology and sets the whole house system in motion, so too does the ternary system ignite with T'ien.
Jen (Man)
http://abrahadabra.com/images/yinline.sm.jpg
Just as T'ien occupies the relationship of the Above in the ternary system, it is the Jen (Man) Principle that occupies the position of the Middle. The ternary system has a unique relation to chronologies in general and throughout all of hexagrammal logic it is always maintained that Heaven resides in the Above, Earth in the Below, and Man in the Middle. Therefor the Jen aquires the value of the "Two" in logical succession.
Ti (Earth)
http://abrahadabra.com/images/tiline.sm.jpg
It is easy enough to remember these numerical assignments just by looking at their glyphs and in the ternary system the Ti (Earth) Principle comes out last and carries the numerical assignment of the "Three". It will be obvious to most that the Yang and Yin bear a striking resemblance to the T'ien and Ti and are in many ways exactly the same, but there remains a difference of context to be observed at all times so that in truth they are only very similar properties. They are not the same in all respects and here we see that the Ti is necessarily expressed differently than the Yin, while the Yang and T'ien are visually identical. This may serve as a reminder that we have both similarities and differences to be aware of at all times in balancing these two great engineries together.
Lo Shu (Bigrammaton)
http://abrahadabra.com/images/ternary.bigrams.jpg
Just as the Yin and Yang combine to produce the Four Forces which can also be identified as the 4 cardinal elements, The T'ien-Jen-Ti combine to produce the 9 Principal Bigrams, which further combine to produce the 81 Tetragrams (called Shou = Chiefs), finally extending to 729 Hexagrammal structures in total. That the 9 Principal Bigrams (or Bigrammaton) conform exactly to the Lo Shu Square, generally identified in mathematics as the first true magical square possible in numbers is no incidental boon by half. This fact resolves the Hermetic Ogdoad - Ennead like it has never been resolved before and opens up whole new vistas in transmutational technology. What we have going on here is no quaint collection of symbolisms and metaphors but a bona fide mathematics of vibrational principle itself uniting all parts mind + matter by strict definition, awaiting only the proper kinds of applications to change our collective understanding of human potential forever.
I will be delving much deeper into these principles and their practical applications in other articles to follow. For the moment it is simply my objective to lay down the starting assumptions and core ingredients upon which Mutational Alchemy itself is founded. People who study the traditional hexagrams and how they weave together are called *mutationists* so the term *Mutational Alchemy* is not just some fancified term I came up with on-the-fly but is rather a very correct, very precise description of a very specific branch of Hermetic Alchemy itself...one whose long range potential is flat astonishing since the most immediate application we will be looking at is how to build controlled mind-energy vibrational fields based upon the rules and protocols observable in this immediate logic. What has been superficially coined a "divination" system is in fact a powerful diagnostic tool that can both identify which fields most need attention and inform us how to maintenance those fields as well. That this occurs on a genetic level is mathematically undeniable, even though we do not yet know the fullest possible implications of this. But we are looking at a biofeedback enginery here that has only just begun to be recognized for what it has to offer.
m1thr0s
For those who are auditive, I recommend trying how the relationships of yin/yang sound when played in notes. Yin -> 2 notes and Yang -> 1 note. Then play through the elements to get a feel from of the 'archetypes'. For myself Fire and Water really sounds like the beginning 'building-stone' archetypes and an interesting correlation between the 'playness' of Earth and Air is noticable. But of course this is all highly personal.
Ternaries are also easily played out with 1, 2 and 3 notes.
m1thr0s
08-29-2006, 11:21 PM
There's a lot of really interesting sound possibilities. I am especially interested in the Bija Mantras (http://www.shrifreedom.com/yogachakrabijas.shtml) for instance, since these are already elemental in scope and have a long history of application in Chakra workings. They are typically applied 6 rungs high corresponding to chakras, and, coincidentally, hexagrams. There is no bija assignment to the 7th chakra in most presentations although I have seen "AH" assigned to the 7th in a few instances.
m1thr0s
omniprosopus
09-05-2006, 05:51 AM
I get the feeling I'm gonna need a calculator for this stuff.
still, it seems to generate really cool images.
-omni
I get the feeling I'm gonna need a calculator for this stuff.
still, it seems to generate really cool images.
-omniLol...sure does omniprosopus...
Kain
Seipiriz
09-19-2006, 01:51 PM
I get the feeling I'm gonna need a calculator for this stuffCalculator??? The calculator is too primitive for I-Ching...:D
Phoenix
11-01-2006, 11:15 AM
Calculator??? The calculator is too primitive for I-Ching...:D
Indeed, very primitive for every single possible calculation obtained thought it.
You should use an ABACUS
Nuhad418
12-01-2006, 09:22 AM
M1thr0s (pain in the ass to type your name...thank you soooo much!)
I read over this article yesterday. I found it difficult on a personal level as I was unsure how I was going to approach it. On one level I was approaching it as a basic overview of complex ideas. In other words, I was trying to learn or understand something. At the same time I was reading from the perspective of trying to apply the thoughts being conveyed to my own practice. These two factions are constantly at odds within me so this was no supprise. However, I soon realised that it is the former rather than the latter approach that is likely the most useful for me; with that in mind I have a few questions and observations. The following questions should be taken from the perspective of an external reader of a thesis who may know some aspects of the field of work at hand but not and expert (as is the author). The majority of the questions are on the use of terms and the request for citations. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just think adding a few points would make the work that much stronger. Finally, I realise that you mention that certain topics will be dealt with in more detail in other articles. If I have not yet got to them (but they do exist) then please excuse the comments. However, if they do not exist perhaps this will be helpful in some minor way.
Overview
Despite the fact that the term Mutational Alchemy is not very well known, it derives from very traditional sources and constitutes a very clear implications once these are understood. Mutational Alchemy is a branch of Hermetic Alchemy that specializes in the analysis and manipulation of *elements* as defined in very simple geomantic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomantic) terms...most notably the binary and ternary mathematics of the I Ching (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Ching) and the more complex (and more obscure) Tai Hsuan Ching (http://www.valdostamuseum.org/hamsmith/ichgene6.html#TaiHsuanChing) in particular. Our reasons for focusing on this specific area of elemental continuum are rooted in a number of things at once, but it should be remembered that Hermeticism is particularly interested in the most efficient means of altering *vibration* rates and ratios both in psyche and in matter. While many other branches of esotericism have ventured off into complex variations on this same essential theme, Hermeticism is distinguished by having stuck very close to its own core assumptions and has thus managed to become more specialized in the "transmutation of lead into gold", which, for a Hermetic Alchemist, is pure metaphor for the transformation of "base" mind and matter into something considerably more "pure" and refined. There are, in fact, all kinds of ways one might attempt to achieve this. Mutational Alchemy is aimed at the most efficient means possible given the shortest span of time. It attempts to "hack away the inessentials" as the I Ching paraphrases it and go directly to the physics involved.
I am curious as to how you define and understand these terms. Also, what are the connections you see between them? Are you using psyche in the literal sense as soul or in the biological sense as brain?
Hermeticism has alway held a special allegiance to the Ogdoad (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ogdoad) and the Ennead (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ennead) as constituting a central principle in its own philosophy of mind and matter, yet the reasons for this have never been entirely clear. The binary and ternary mathematics of the far east provide the clearest explanation for this possible at this time, yet have generally been treated as a quaint curiosity at best by most western thinkers, until more recently when it became recognized that the underscoring mathematics of DNA and the I Ching are identical. It has taken the unexpected emergence of Genetics Science to return us full circle to the clarity and the universiality of these ancient metaphysical constructs.
Again, this may be obvious to everyone else but what do you mean by this? Can you giver some references so I can edumacate (I know what I wrote!! :laugh: )
The Four Forces
http://abrahadabra.com/images/binary.bigrams.jpg
The Chinese sages did not assign the Four Forces the conventional Hermetic values of Fire, Air, Earth and Water as a rule, but there is no reason not to do so so long as you understand that this is an extrapolation based upon what the physics itself allows...not a true representation of Chinese philosophy itself. Rather they begin their discussion of *elements* with the Eight Principal Trigrams, which I will not present in this immediate article. In general, bigrams constitute the most basic compound structures possible and can justifiably be regarded as core elemental constituents. Historically, binary structures tend to group primarily in pairs of bigrams or trigrams above and below. Though it would be technically possible to continue this kind of stacking indefinitely, The Chinese confined themselves primarily to bigrams, trigrams, tetragrams and hexagrams. Curiously, this is precisely how DNA/RNA codification operates as well.
Could you elaborate a little on this claim?
Returning to the Tao Te Ching, it is the principle of the Tai Hsuan (the Great Mystery) which occupies the position of *Nothing*in the chronological unfolding of mind and matter from the highest to the lowest rungs. We might be inclined to position it at Crown (like the Tai Chi) but Abrahadabra itself ultimately overrules this, which I will attempt to show as this manifesto unfolds. The Tai Hsuan principle must occupy the position of Apex in Abrahadabra or the entire logic collapses into gibberish. By its very nature, the Tai Hsuan governs over all ebbs and flows of mind and matter...its comings, its goings, and all manner of courses it may take. Because it incorporates the element of *intelligence* itself, it must necessarily reside at the highest seat accessable to intelligence, which in the final analysis is called Ain Soph Aur (sometimes simply Ain Soph) relative to the Qabbalistic Tree of Life. Though this assertion should not be accepted at face value, there is at this time simply no other proper conclusion I can assert and is the position I will be maintaining throughout, pending proof positive of any superior conclusion.
For me there is a subtle difference, at least in the occult Kabbalah, between Ain, Ain sof, and Ain sof aur. Ain sof aur implies there is a substance, of whatever make up, that is limitlessness. That substance is Light (that always reminds me of how light was used by Grosseteste (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Grosseteste)). From the "substance" we move to something more abstract, Limitlessness itself; again implying that there is still something that can be limitlessness, even if more subtle than ASA. Then, in Ain, we have a complete absorption in a state of non-duality. Does this apply to your model as well?
I will be delving much deeper into these principles and their practical applications in other articles to follow. For the moment it is simply my objective to lay down the starting assumptions and core ingredients upon which Mutational Alchemy itself is founded. People who study the traditional hexagrams and how they weave together are called *mutationists* so the term *Mutational Alchemy* is not just some fancified term I came up with on-the-fly but is rather a very correct, very precise description of a very specific branch of Hermetic Alchemy itself...one whose long range potential is flat astonishing since the most immediate application we will be looking at is how to build controlled mind-energy vibrational fields based upon the rules and protocols observable in this immediate logic. What has been superficially coined a "divination" system is in fact a powerful diagnostic tool that can both identify which fields most need attention and inform us how to maintenance those fields as well. That this occurs on a genetic level is mathematically undeniable, even though we do not yet know the fullest possible implications of this. But we are looking at a biofeedback enginery here that has only just begun to be recognized for what it has to offer.
What exactly is mind-energy vibrational fields? Something akin to morphogenetic (http://www.sheldrake.org/homepage.html) fileds? or more along the lines of electromagnetic discharge? Or perhaps this is metaphorical in the grandest sense of the word? Also, what do you mean by build? I know I use similar terms and I know what they mean and others in of like mind will get a similar notion when talking about it but I have stopped assuming anything as it is easy to drop into a subjective universe while projecting truth onto everything around me. I'm not saying you are at risk of doing this but since I am I want as much detail as possible! lol
This is a great article m1thr0s, I really enjoyed it. However, I would ask on thing more...where are YOU in all of this? Do we get some biography or has this been relayed elsewhere?
NH418
m1thr0s
12-01-2006, 10:34 AM
good lord...haven't even had my coffee yet!
thank you for your insightful questions Nuhad418. This chaos comes from wearing too many hats and I hope to plug all these gaps over time but in the meantime, people coming forward with questions is an enormous help to me, as well I think to themselves and others. Let me try to take your questions in the order you have raised them:
1) by *psyche* I think I mostly mean *mind* but from a Hermetic perspective this might also mean *spirit*. I do not take it to mean *soul* in the Platonic sense, since I am more of the opinion that Mind is actually more akin to *Khabs*, or central essence, spark of life/consciousness etc. *Khu*, I take to be more akin to Soul and this I link to matter, and degrees of subtlety within matter. For those unfamiliar with the language of Khabs and Khu, these have their origins in Egyptian lore, the particular spelling of which appears in Liber Al vel Legis. In any case my usage is in this vein.
2) by *physics* I am referring to the actual anatomical and/or topological properties of the Body of Light itself, as typlified through numerous *models* that have passed down through time. Abrahadabra classes as one of these models, the Tree of Life another, the Chakras system a third, the Meridians a forth and so on.
3) The mathematical parallel between the binary mathematics of the I Ching and the binary mathematics of the DNA/RNA codes were (thankfully) not discovered by me. Several books and scores of articles have been written of this discovery, most notably The I Ching and the Genetic Code by Martin Schonberger, followed up some years later by the more scientifically accurate DNA and the I Ching (The Tao of Life) by Johnson F. Yan. What was discovered still baffles many and most do not seem to know what to make of it exactly but it turns out that the I Ching and the DNA/RNA codes are employing an identical mathematical matrixes. This has profound implications for Occultists, Hermeticists, Magicians etc as the I Ching is a highly accessable elemental language which can be used both to invoke or evoke following established guidelines of mantra/yantra (sound/light) practises.
4) The triune aspects of Ain, Ain Soph, Ain Soph Aur are not being specifically debated in Mutational Alchemy itself, which is to say, they are most often treated as one essential anatomical *position* relative to whatever map we might be employing. There are also cultural differences I have encountered that persuade me to not get too far down that particular path when referencing these coordinates with respect to the Abrahadabra Grid or the Tree of Life etc. It is their relative location that is in some ways more pertinent than their technical composition, in the above cases, positioned exactly one rung up from Crown following the geometry of the Abrahadabra Grid. In the Book of Thoth, Crowley demonstrates these similarly positioned just above Crown proper. In the Eastern systems this would normally be the place of Wu Chi which has come to symbolize the idea of "Nothingness". I don't disagree that their composition matters, but only stipulate that this is a different conversation than the more *geometrical* discussion of where this *Nothing* resides on the map, so to speak.
5) The phrase *mind-energy vibrational fields* is perhaps a strained way of attempting to dummy down what is perhaps left un-dummied...lol. But yes, absolutely, so-called morphogenetic resonance is definitely a good parallel language here. In the more traditional Hermetic lingo we are really still talking about mind/matter synthesis utilizing the vehicle of thought to manipulate energy creation, channeling and so on.
6) So here we come to what is perhaps the crux of the issue itself, ie, what are we actually trying to do with any of this? The whole answer to this is just a wee bit bigger than I am so I will confine myself to what I have learned and what I have done which is to implement this whole *physics* tantrically. This all forms the basis of a startlingly powerful and precise visualization practise in itself and this is primarily the application I have been tracking in my own situation. It goes beyond just this however. I cannot even begin to assess the range of applications possible here. If this is, as I suspect, a whole *hidden* dimension of mind/matter physics itself...well...it could be ultimately boundless the ways it might be put to productive purposes.
Ok...I think that's about it for round one at least. There is so much going on with this stuff I get lost sometimes in all the possibilities. Good questions bring me back to task. Anything true can certainly withstand good scrutiny.
m1thr0s
Nuhad418
12-01-2006, 10:41 AM
Goodness, all that sans cafe what were you thinking!? Thank you that helps. I suspect I will do the same for other papers you have posted here though I will try to avoid repeated the same questions.
m1thr0s
12-01-2006, 10:56 AM
I have been told I suffer somewhat from AS (Aspergers Syndrome)...not to cry any big tears over it as it is a skill as much as it might sometimes be a detriment. But it means that I sometimes talk through the top of my head without realizing it. All you need to do is point to the specific rock in question and I will usually snap out of it...:cool:
m1thr0s
Nuhad418
12-01-2006, 11:04 AM
I have been told I suffer somewhat from AS (Aspergers Syndrome)...not to cry any big tears over it as it is a skill as much as it might sometimes be a detriment. But it means that I sometimes talk through the top of my head without realizing it. All you need to do is point to the specific rock in question and I will usually snap out of it...:cool:
m1thr0s
I see, I would assume its likely much more of a skill for you than a detriment. The ability to intently focus or obssess (I understand that is a possible out come?) are great skills for occultists of all types. Though it must be difficult in some so-called "real world" situations.
m1thr0s
12-01-2006, 11:10 AM
real world? lol...
oh...you mean that 3-dimensional thingy with organic modules crawing all over it...
yeah...problematic sometimes...
m1thr0s
Okazaki Castle
12-02-2006, 01:49 PM
Very cool and interesting intor m1thr0s! I would be further interested to know, for both hypothetical and practical reasons, what would occur if one were to combine Heaven: http://abrahadabra.com/images/yangline.sm.jpg and Man : http://abrahadabra.com/images/yinline.sm.jpg so as to produce (for example in the crucible or the alchemical fires of transmutation of incarnate existence) a third principle of our making, Apotheosized Man or God Incarnate in Human-ish Form? The combination of yin and yang to produce yin-yang, or light and dark together in one being, moving with a will, and principles, of its own, and of its own creation?
I think one of the most interesting considerations of such an approach would be the outcome/implications for the Jen principle, or Earth:
http://abrahadabra.com/images/tiline.sm.jpg
I am not sure, but perhaps to a 4-base there? Or maybe even 2 by Four, a fourfold duofold? Perhaps base lines can be made longer, or more compressed... a bit like hammerring out a sword?
At any rate, these threads have given me some good matter for further thought and practical research, thanks very much for the details there! One reason I always like your stuff, gives me lots and lots to play with, and move on up and around fast...
all the best,
Oazaki.
Okazaki Castle
12-02-2006, 01:57 PM
I have been told I suffer somewhat from AS (Aspergers Syndrome).
And normals suffer from being unfocused, stupid and weak. Why give a damn about their stupid psychological classifications? It is the lot of the inferior to attempt to classify the superior as in some way flawed, but that is just there own lack of understanding and appreciation talking. 'Mediocrity in all things, that is normal, and that is what we shall define as healthy.' thus speaks the inferior man, or peasant/coward. We called them Helots or Athenians in Ancient Sparta, and took the piss out of them, often to thier faces.
Strength and focus are skills, abilities. Let not modern science and those who subscribe to its tenets and classifications tell you otherwise!
all the best,
Oazaki.
m1thr0s
12-02-2006, 02:14 PM
I am not sure, but perhaps to a 4-base there? Or maybe even 2 by Four, a fourfold duofold? Perhaps base lines can be made longer, or more compressed... a bit like hammerring out a sword?possibly...we get thrown into string-theory stuff pretty quick here of course...not my speciality. Actually...it IS my speciality come to think of it...I am just not altogether familiar with current terms and models...
The AS bit doesn't bug me...I love it actually. It is a form of autism though which makes me a little braindead in other areas...not too bad...I can concentrate right through the core of black holes if I need to. Do it fairly often as a matter of fact...that's how come I know so much about singularities...
metaphorically speaking of course...lol...
m1thr0s
Okazaki Castle
12-02-2006, 02:23 PM
metaphorically speaking of course...lol...
or not.... :rofl:
What came after string theory incidentally? Forgotten for now, used to study/focus on that whole field for quite a while... a well, it'll return, will look thru my notes someday when I find them again...
all the best,
Oazaki.
I would be further interested to know, for both hypothetical and practical reasons, what would occur if one were to combine Heaven: http://abrahadabra.com/images/yangline.sm.jpg and Man : http://abrahadabra.com/images/yinline.sm.jpg so as to produce (for example in the crucible or the alchemical fires of transmutation of incarnate existence) a third principle of our making, Apotheosized Man or God Incarnate in Human-ish Form? The combination of yin and yang to produce yin-yang, or light and dark together in one being, moving with a will, and principles, of its own, and of its own creation?
I think one of the most interesting considerations of such an approach would be the outcome/implications for the Jen principle, or Earth:
http://abrahadabra.com/images/tiline.sm.jpgI must admit your question confused me a bit Okazaki. In traditional Tai Hsuan Ching symbolism, Jen (or Man) is symbolised with the twice broken line and Yin with the once broken one. In the semantics pertaining to Mutational Alchemy material, the symbolism between Jen and Yin has been swapped (from what I understand, partially due to the reasoning that in this way the symbols better parallel the subsequent differentiation process defining descent). Now, in your question you refer to the twice broken symbol as Earth, or Jen, which seems contradictory to me as Jen is the principle of Man.
As for the question itself however, I think you make a very valid point concerning the implications of the Incarnate God. I also think that what this model clearly tells us is that this Apotheosized Man or Incarnate God is none other than Man himself, his symbol being Jen and being the manifest amalgamation of Yin and Yang, having him residing squarely between Heaven and Earth.
Kain
m1thr0s
12-02-2006, 11:51 PM
that's exactly right Kain...it's built into the ternary system at the level of elements. on the binary side it's there also but in that case it's more of a "hidden" variable...maybe this is why we have such a difficult time seeing ourselves as clearly as we should...but the trigrams have always been structured around this same essential matrix...heaven above...earth below...man in the middle.
it may be of some value to note that in the LoShu bigrams which include all 3 elements...4 of the 9 are special Jen+/- characters. So in a very real sense this is already built into the system...
m1thr0s
that's exactly right Kain...it's built into the ternary system at the level of elements. on the binary side it's there also but in that case it's more of a "hidden" variable...maybe this is why we have such a difficult time seeing ourselves as clearly as we should...but the trigrams have always been structured around this same essential matrix...heaven above...earth below...man in the middle.This is precicely how I view it myself. Also, here's a relatively old but relevant glyph of mine which I entitled The Vanishing Mediator (http://Kain.zoints.com/album/?imgid=36585).
it may be of some value to note that in the LoShu bigrams which include all 3 elements...4 of the 9 are special Jen+/- characters. So in a very real sense this is already built into the system...I take it you're referring to bigrams # 2, 8, 4 and 6, namely Sun, Moon, Lingam and Yoni. Yes, indeed. It is also of interest to note that this covers all the even numbers of the Lo Shu, leaving the 5 odd ones (not including Jen in their constitution) to form the central cross of which #5 is the actual center, balancing all 8 principles around the principle of Spirit.
Kain
m1thr0s
12-03-2006, 08:07 AM
right...the study of these particular elements is powerfully intriguing from my perspective and hits on something I think is being referenced in Oazaki's comments...because cosm itself has been completely reshaped around these 4 elements, constituting its own kind of macrocosm (sun & moon) and its own kind of microcosm (lingam & yoni)...4 perfect corners to a completely alternate universal continuum that we seem to have never heard much about at all historically...an entire "hidden universe" so to speak...
m1thr0s
Now that is something that had never occured to me concerning this issue, very good observation m1thr0s...
Kain
Okazaki Castle
12-03-2006, 09:10 AM
I must admit your question confused me a bit Okazaki. In traditional Tai Hsuan Ching symbolism, Jen (or Man) is symbolised with the twice broken line and Yin with the once broken one. In the semantics pertaining to Mutational Alchemy material, the symbolism between Jen and Yin has been swapped (from what I understand, partially due to the reasoning that in this way the symbols better parallel the subsequent differentiation process defining descent). Now, in your question you refer to the twice broken symbol as Earth, or Jen, which seems contradictory to me as Jen is the principle of Man.
Haha, was wondering if anyone would question that... Nice one Kain. Well, partly my point there was that what can be swapped one way, can also be swapped other ways. The other bit to it was that Man is confused, primarily because he is stupid. As such, he needs to be addressed in black and white terms. As yin is yielding, or receptive, and obeys Heaven's commands, or yang, it suits my purposes very well to make Man:
Jen (Man)
http://abrahadabra.com/images/yinline.sm.jpg
Heaven's bitch, for Heaven is bigger and stronger than him, as reprseneted by that fact that while has Man been broken, Heaven remains firm:
T'ien (Heaven)
http://abrahadabra.com/images/yangline.sm.jpg
That is why it is the Spirit that awes and wars in Heaven. Star Wars, in other words...
The implication of that being, to me, that I get to tell Men what to do via my Commands from Heaven, aka my Design, a whole load of astrologically timed commands telling Heaven what to do, by defining its own nature consisently with its own symbolisms and meanings. Thus, I get to make Heaven my bitch. That's the sort of thing I find incredibly funny. Problem with that is, that I also have to be God, at least for a while, and so am tied to doing on one level what I told myself to do from beforehand. Thus, I become my own bitch. It's rather annoying, but works. The compensations of it are that I get to access the 'yielding path of heaven' for we must all yield to God's will must we not? Thus was this system set up at least, and why we all had to focus so much on understanding how it worked and the laws and principles governing it.
The other part of it all is that I've never actually read the Tai Hsuan Ching, as that book only came to my conscious awareness when m1thr0s put the info up about it on his site, which was after I'd laid my parameters regarding the whole transmuational forms and processes which I'd set up to run thru ABRAHADABRA. Hence, my knowledge of the formalities was lacking in many ways and I was just repeating the symbolisms I got from m1thr0s's first post on this thread.
But your clarification made a whole load of things clearer for me... and thus revealed a lot of the humour of my higher self, who enjoys doing things like this to me all the time... As for me, I just do what it tells me now, trusting to my previous work when I told it what I wanted...
As for the question itself however, I think you make a very valid point concerning the implications of the Incarnate God. I also think that what this model clearly tells us is that this Apotheosized Man or Incarnate God is none other than Man himself, his symbol being Jen and being the manifest amalgamation of Yin and Yang, having him residing squarely between Heaven and Earth.
Well, my basic approach/point was that the apotheosized man was a combination of Heaven and Earth, the basic Yin and Yang. The Jen principle does in my view obviously not belong to Man, because he is retarded, and stupid. As I am in human-ish form at the moment, that makes me retarded and stupid also. I accept this implication of the whole process, and find it quite funny actually, as it means I can be an airhead, and copy Venus's light form in that, and still be smart, because I do what I'm told, as all who truly embody the yin principle should: be that womanliness or the Dark Side. And that's funny again, in many ways. To me at least. Women often get annoyed with it...
Finally of course, one can rise above the human-ish state in consciounsess, and that's what I use Denisty Phase Shifting and the expansion of consciousness for. It's all quite complex and multi-layered really. And whilst possible to classify and understand, that sort of mental exertion takes effort and time and energy, and I soon get fed up of squandering my resources in that way, and don't mind being viewed as stupid, so I sit there and chuckle over it. Because of course, I'm doing paradox-power on Stupidity, also known as Tai Chi:
Tai Chi
http://abrahadabra.com/images/taichi.sm.jpg
That having been said, I generally prefer Ba Gua, because it is more hardcore and you can do it round people's chakras:
http://www.bodymindharmony.com/images/BAGUA.JPG
I usually use tetragrams around the process though rather than trigrams, because 4 is the number of death in Japan, and death is the fastest way out of here, which is fundementally what I'm aiming for, because this physical state of being sucks, and not in a nice way... :laugh:
Now I still don't understand a tenth of all this myself, because it's just far too complex. And because I can't be bothered. I view this Creation, and so the Godhead who set up its principles, as fundemnetally homosexual in property, and thus overly attention-seeking and annoying. So I ignore it, and beat up on it from Primal Khaos, which lacks any such rules whatsoever. Got to take that slow however, cuz I don't want to destroy this place before I've taken what I want from it. In that sense, I view this solar system a bit like one gigantic spaceship. And I'm trying to make it go faster, so that we can activate the warp dirve, and make a wormhole transition. It's the main thing I'm aiming to use a particular, huge black hole for. That's one of the surprises I've got planned for this place, and what I fought Ouroboros for...
Sorry for the long explanation, but thought you might like it and would prbbly appreciate some of the Heavenly Humour involved in this...
And finally of course, no disrespect meant to all the fine work done on this field. It is the old gods and laws of this system that I disrespect, not the Universe Hackers and thier superb work... ;) :)
all the best,
Oazaki.
Okazaki Castle
12-03-2006, 09:23 AM
right...the study of these particular elements is powerfully intriguing from my perspective and hits on something I think is being referenced in Oazaki's comments...because cosm itself has been completely reshaped around these 4 elements, constituting its own kind of macrocosm (sun & moon) and its own kind of microcosm (lingam & yoni)...4 perfect corners to a completely alternate universal continuum that we seem to have never heard much about at all historically...an entire "hidden universe" so to speak...
m1thr0s
:yes: :yes: *-* :no: :no:
Of course... Because it is not hidden to many of us now, is it? Yet it's own essential nature is hidden. And so on and so forth...
That having been said, you understand its properties and how it works far better than me really. I just copy what you've done and rearrange things. My only two areas of esoteric expertise are sex, which I enjoyed learning about and astrology, which it irritated me to have to learn, but was necessary. Philosophy I do for fun and is more like a game. But it's where principles can be defined from, and is not the defintion of principles the Power of God?
Power of Hell would be how to combine those principles to move things along, create a lower realm, etc...
all the best,
Oazaki.
As yin is yielding, or receptive, and obeys Heaven's commands, or yang, it suits my purposes very well to make Man:
Jen (Man)
http://abrahadabra.com/images/yinline.sm.jpg
Heaven's bitch, for Heaven is bigger and stronger than him, as reprseneted by that fact that while has Man been broken, Heaven remains firm:
T'ien (Heaven)
http://abrahadabra.com/images/yangline.sm.jpg
That is why it is the Spirit that awes and wars in Heaven. Star Wars, in other words...Heaven indeed remains firm, and yet we are working in a system where manifestation, if it is handled with moderation, is "money in the bank", so to speak. Regardless of the triplicity of it all, in a way it all plays out in a universal Duality format, and thus the relationship between the Formed and the Formless, Earth and Heaven, must be attended to in order to have a functional existance. It is this conundrum that the principle of Jen resolves for us, providing the Optimum Manifestation. It is certainly "once broken" as the symbol denotes and that is due to the amalgamation with Yin/Earth, however that is necessary for the being to exist. Form may often be our worst enemy at our current situation, but that is because we are so deprived of formlessness. Thus, you could see the "once-broken" mark as a necessary modification for Divinity to walk the Earth...to assume the mantle of Form, while retaining it's primordial strength. For Heaven is still unbroken yet it's greatest lack and want is formation/manifestation, while Earth's is "spiritualization"/strengthening. This "tendency" I speak of is what has elsewhere been discussed as aspiration. Thus, in this system, it is Jen which has no lack, and thus no further aspirations, integrating the interplay of "from form, to formlessness, to form" aspirations in a single coordinate, squarely placed on the map.
Well, my basic approach/point was that the apotheosized man was a combination of Heaven and Earth, the basic Yin and Yang. The Jen principle does in my view obviously not belong to Man, because he is retarded, and stupid. On the other hand, my counter-argument here would be that what we often class as Man is in fact not Man, but merely man. That what we commonly perceive as man is clearely not Man in the sense of the Jen principle, it being clearly not an optimal integration of Heaven and Earth but in fact barely able to even recognize the principle of Heaven. Thus, man will realize his true nature and attain Jen/Man when the two primal forces of Heaven and Earth are both realized and correctly integrated within himself...something that humankind is quite far from as you can clearly see...clinging to Earth with 95% of their being, the unconscious and instinctive hint of the Heaven principle being the only thing making humans different from simple material objects. As you say, this pitiful mix cannot be the principle of Jen, and that's why I add that it cannot be the principle of Man either...for Man is God as is often said, and man is not...
Sorry for the long explanation, but thought you might like it and would prbbly appreciate some of the Heavenly Humour involved in this...I fully understand the intention behind it and it is well met...
Kain
m1thr0s
12-03-2006, 10:27 PM
I love the wording of your counter-argument Kain... we sometimes forget (or perhaps just don't know) that the mythological FuHsi, FuQi, FuXi etc wasn't just trying to map out a bunch of crap...he was looking to ascertain the purest possible esoteric "Sum" of all things in a single, or a unified sort of language. The fact that somebody would be interested in doing something like this 5-6000 years ago boggles the mind to ponder it. It is nevertheless most accurate to say that the Sum of Heaven = Yang, the Sum of Man = Jen and the Sum of Earth = Yin from the outset. Any of these things is capable of falling short of its perfect Sum.
edit: it's fair to assert that, by all apparent indicators, this FuXi, whoever he/she/it really was, is the original particle theorist in this world. It goes to show you that humankind, in general, has always been possessed of a deep seated need to understand the character of Life at it's most basic and universal levels. One has to wonder what the hell some guy sitting on his ass 6000 years ago was even thinking! Why the hell would anybody need to know anything like this? But it is innate...we are trapped, in a sense, by our own abilities to reason. We are cut off from animal instinct enough that if we cannot understand ourselves, we cannot effectively direct our lives in any way that offers us any sense of satisfaction.
m1thr0s
Okazaki Castle
12-05-2006, 09:03 AM
So am I to understand that humans should be given the chance to become Humans? That, in other words, they be given the chance to become bold (brave and free) rather than leaners (cowards and retards who need to lean on a crutch or 7 for support)?
That they have the inherent potential to become something worth keeping, or saving? Damn, and I thought you were the elitist around here m1thr0s!! :laugh: Guess it must be the strong sense of justice in your nature/character coming forth...
Works for me, but I personally am fed up of humans, their men or Men even especially. I'd like someone else to handle bothering to address them and interact with them, until such a time as they cease to be human and become Gods, Vampyres, Elven or w/e. Feranaja, maybe that role would interest you already?
regards all,
Okazaki.
So am I to understand that humans should be given the chance to become Humans? That, in other words, they be given the chance to become bold (brave and free) rather than leaners (cowards and retards who need to lean on a crutch or 7 for support)?
That they have the inherent potential to become something worth keeping, or saving? Damn, and I thought you were the elitist around here m1thr0s!! :laugh: Guess it must be the strong sense of justice in your nature/character coming forth...
Works for me, but I personally am fed up of humans, their men or Men even especially. I'd like someone else to handle bothering to address them and interact with them, until such a time as they cease to be human and become Gods, Vampyres, Elven or w/e. Feranaja, maybe that role would interest you already?
regards all,
Okazaki.
We all contain an Immortal Soul*. The price of that however, is aeons of ignorance.
*Technically this is not everyones truth but it is the one thing I think most of us here would agree on and it stands out in my mind most these days.
m1thr0s
12-05-2006, 12:54 PM
So am I to understand that humans should be given the chance to become Humans?I actually don't know about shoulds and shouldn'ts Oazaki...I'm not especially altruistic as you have probably already surmized. Nobody is going to give anybody anything that I know of. What any of this might tell us is simply what is. It's up to individuals to decide what's to be done about it and I think we both know that the vast majority of individuals will simply do nothing. So that does leave a fairly auspicious window of opportunity left open to whatever few might actually take action...
m1thr0s
Okazaki Castle
12-06-2006, 04:34 PM
Hmm, I suppose it comes then to a question of in what ways the humans are useful to our own purposes. I want to make slaves of the ones I find irritating or have been disrespectful, and make rich and free the ones I like, especially if they're pretty and female, as that is good for my self-image, which I need, cuz I'll be killing large swathes of population prbbly, or at least exporting them off-planet...
Oazaki.
m1thr0s
12-06-2006, 04:52 PM
the slaves shall serve. we have discussed this before. they actually serve already anyhow...they just don't think of it as slavery and they are serving all the wrong masters...that's what has to change.
But I don't for a moment believe anybody is going to chain and bind anybody else...I think this is all a matter of people making up their own minds (or not) to take up their own inherent birthrights...The laws of Karma are such that if they choose to ignore these options, they will be left with a lesser destinies...
Nobody is going to force another to be a King...
m1thr0s
Wolfman
07-29-2008, 04:59 PM
Geez, that was a pretty damn BIG nutshell.....:rolleyes:
m1thr0s
07-29-2008, 09:58 PM
Geez, that was a pretty damn BIG nutshell.....:rolleyes:well...the rabbit hole runs a lot deeper than that, but I seem to lose my audience if I don't at least pretend it's e-a-s-y...and in some ways it really is...the basics are not so bad at all. But just as with fractals, they quickly mutate into incomprehensible levels of complexity...
Moreover...nobody necessarily needs every last whit of it at every turn anyway. Reminds me of certain software programs I use. I've been using Photoshop for years for instance and by some accounts am probably a wiz at it. In truth I would be surprized if I am accessing 25% of its capabilities...
The tricky thing with this stuff is getting to where you can spot the most crucial bits I think.
DNA's e-a-s-y too I suppose...3 sugars x 4 acids...what's all the fuss?
m1
Wolfman
07-30-2008, 12:55 AM
In truth I would be surprized if I am accessing 25% of its capabilities...
The tricky thing with this stuff is getting to where you can spot the most crucial bits I think.
DNA's e-a-s-y too I suppose...3 sugars x 4 acids...what's all the fuss?
m1
M1thr0s;
But yeah, I gotta ask... Symbology and all that aside....CAN you transmutate lead into gold yet? ;-)
Wolfman
m1thr0s
07-30-2008, 01:00 AM
nope...
I could say I don't do party tricks but I'm as curious about that one as the next person...
It is a bit more complicated than it has been portrayed though...you start screwing around with the periodic table of elements and you can set off ripples all across time and space...
but at the level of principle it's still all about vibration, so theoretically it should be doable.
edit: as a matter of interest, Mutational Alchemy does outline several very promising procedures for this. It requires a fairly elaborate setup.
On the flip-side...it seems to me I have read an article recently indicating that this may have been achieved under laboratory conditions...somewhere in europe I think.
this isn't what I read but it gives you some sort of confirmation link: http://chemistry.about.com/cs/generalchemistry/a/aa050601a.htm
• and a snippet just in case the article gets nixed...
Transmutation of lead into gold isn't just theoretically possible - it has been achieved! There are reports that Glenn Seaborg, 1951 Nobel Laureate in Chemistry, succeeded in transmuting a minute quantity of lead (possibly en route from bismuth, in 1980) into gold. There is an earlier report (1972) in which Soviet physicists at a nuclear research facility near Lake Baikal in Siberia accidentally discovered a reaction for turning lead into gold when they found the lead shielding of an experimental reactor had changed to gold. you gotta love those shields! :3biggrin:
m1thr0s
MythMath
07-30-2008, 02:52 AM
Keeping those Red Shields* at bay...
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Rotschilds_armscopy.jpg
The only problem however, from a 'now-we're-rich!'
standpoint, is that these processes are so
costly that it's cheaper to just buy the gold... :sad:
* Rothschilds
deviadah
08-17-2008, 03:01 PM
CAN you transmutate lead into gold yet?
Check out John Reid's Course on Practical Alchemy (http://www.levity.com/alchemy/johnreid.html)
He states that alchemy “is all about isolating the vital force of life itself, isolating it so it can be condensed, purified, and manipulated to conform with the artist's will.” In other words lead to gold is just base to nobel...
Nuclear power is the engine of evolution, of life, and it is with nuclear physics that we can synthesize noble metals. Nuclear physics and quantum mechanics have become the alchemy of the modern age.
Ernest Rutherford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernest_Rutherford) did just this, in 1919, when he performed a transmutation by converting nitrogen into oxygen.
"Alchemy is the art of evolution!" - John Reid
This does not imply that nuclear power or nuclear weapons is the way to go, it only asserts the fact that the human race often get distracted by that which glitters rather than that which is useful. We still don’t know anything about the atom!
On a side note Radium (which helped Rutherford create his transmutations) became - after Marie Curie's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Skłodowska-Curie) discovery - quite an expensive metal... like gold!
Also the symbol for Radium is Ra and its atomic number is 88.
:cool:
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