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DocHolliday
07-30-2006, 01:46 PM
The qabbalistic tradition, as it exists today within both Hebraic and Hermetic circles is a means by which one may attain a level of prophecy known as the ruah haqqodesh (lit: the spirit of holiness, understood as the Divine Will, or Holy Guardian Angel), and re-unite themsleves with En Sof. Part of this is the process of finding the fallen sparks hidden within the Qelippoth and restoring them to their rightful place among the Sefiroth. This process is known as Tiqqun Ha'olam (restoring the world) and is analogous to the Abramelin Operation, in which the mage calls forth all his inner daemons and binds them to his will, thus transforming the "evil" into agents of "good." Contemporary Qabbalah consists of two forms: Qabbalah Iyyunith (Contemplative Qabbalah), which is a philosophical excercise, focused on enhancing the religious experience, and Qabbalah Ma'asith (Practical Qabbalah), which is, in a nutshell, magic. Within the practical Qabbalah, there are two traditions: Ma'aseh Merkabah (the work of the [Divine] charriot) and Ma'aseh Bereshith (the worl of creation).

Merkabah mysticism is based on the experiences recorded in the prophetic books of the Hebrew Bible. In essence, it may be considered a form of shamanism, and at times relies on aescetic techniques. On the other hand, explorations on the work of creation are thaumaturgic in nature, as they act directly upon creation in an attempt to bend reality to one's will. The consensus of tradition is that these secrets were first given to Adam by the angel Raziel. However, there is little within the corpus of Jewish tradition (that I am aware of) to support this. If anything, it's a concept created to justify the way Qabbalah would come to impact Jewish life. Conversely, the Talmud, 1 Enoch, the Book of Jubilees, and other texts state that the "fallen" angels Azazel (Sammael) and Shemyaza taught the children of Cain (who is considered the progenitor of those of "witch blood" in Luciferian Witchcraft) the magical secrets of creation.

Thus, (and I know this has been quite simplified), if one has the persistence to delve deeply into Ma'aseh Bereshith and has the fortitude to peel away the layers of masques, one finds an apotheosistic tool which taps into the very nature of Choas itself in the Supernal Womb of En Sof.

Anibis
07-30-2006, 01:54 PM
Okay, so, why 'Dark Qabalah', and what is your stance on the Tzaddikim, and the Tikkun?
-Ibisis

DocHolliday
07-30-2006, 02:20 PM
I suppose I should give a little background information about myself in order to provide a clear answer to the question. As a Jew, I consider the conitnuity of my people and our traditions of extreme importance. While I'm not orthodox by any stretch of the imagination, I realize that Jewish law its associated lifestyle have preserved the Jewish people in the face of things which have annihilted other cultures. Jewish law is a force to be reconed with, and one which I hold in high esteem. Thus, I do attempt to follow its precepts, according to the philosophical tradition presented in the Talmud and preserved by the sages of the Geonic era. This does include some of what would later be absorbed into Qabbalistic tradition, as reference is made to both Ma'aseh Bereshith and Ma'aseh Merkabah. However, the understanding of these two in the Talmudic-Geonic tradition is that of physics and metaphysics (respectively). The early qabbalistic school was that of the prophets themselves, and produced the Hekhaloth texts, the Bahir, and the Sefer Yezirah. Later, with the composition of the Zohar, and similar texts (e.g. Shi'ur Qomah), Qabbalah would change and would negatively affect Judaism. A few groups would remain stalwart and refuse to compromise Judaism. I belong to one of those groups.

As skilled as people might be in using Jewish law to harness the sorcery taught by Azazel and Shemyaza and transforming it into "Qabbalah," the truth remains that it's power has been stripped, to some degree. I used the term, "Dark Qabbalah," because it's roots lie within the darkness of Luciferian Gnosis. It is the path of Cain and Lillith, it is the secret of Tubal-Cain. Qabbalah has compromised Halakhah (Jewish law), and vise-versa. There is a reason why I keep those two aspects of my life somewhat separate, with my "nightside" being Qabbalah in the process of being restored to its primal and chaotic nature and my "dayside" being Halakhah in the process of being restored to its pristine, philosophical form. Were I a person who followed the Right-Hand Path, I would work towards Tiqqun Ha'olam. Since I am not, however, the tiqqunim (plural form of tiqqun) I engage in are those geared towards the revivification of the Cainite essence within my Self, the re-integration of the scattered light of Sammael (in the Qelippoth), and repairing the breach between Cain and the Earth (natural forces).

My view of zaddiqim is not mystical at all. A zaddiq, to me, is simply that, a righeous person. Martin Luther King, Jr is as much a zaddiq as R. Aqibah, Onqelos, or R. Obadyah Yosef (former Rishon Lezion). This goes back to the Talmudic-Geonic approach of philosophical rationalism as opposed to the mystical approach of post-Lurianic Qabbalah.

Anibis
07-30-2006, 02:41 PM
Very nice. I find this interesting. I'll look more into what you have written about Cain, in other threads before I come back to it, but I'l like to know a little about what you think about the Sabbatian apostasy? You speak highly of the Law, and yet, it would seem that in order to merge with the Ain Soph, one would have, ultimately to leave it behind. Is the law, essentially a Merkabah, which like the 'vehicles' or rafts of Buddhist thought, serves to bring the people across the abyss, where they can leave it by the banks, or is there some other way of handling this. It's funny. I keep getting taken for a Jew. I have a dark beard, and just got a hat that seems to clinch it for people. Ah well.
-Ibisis-
P.S. It just occured to me that the Sabbatian thing might be more about 'crashing the boat' or sinking it while it's still in the water, as opposed to taking it across. What do you think?

DocHolliday
07-30-2006, 02:58 PM
Shabbetai Zevi was a heretic, pure and simple. Not only was he a false messiah, but he also converted to Islam and caused others to follow in apostacy. One of his successors, Jacob Lieb Frank would do the same, converting to Catholicism instead of Islam. The only good to stem out of Shabbetai's apostacy, IMHO, was that some Jews were shocked back to their senses and realized that post-Lurianic Qabbalah was not something which should have a place in Halakhah.

Yes, I do speak highly of the Law. Keep in mind that as a Jew, I operate from a non-mystical perspective. There is no desire or drive to merge with En Sof, just as there is no pressing need for a Qabbalistic Tiqqun Ha'olam. I would not call Halakhah another form of the merkabah. Rather, I would consider it a philosophical process by which one may take the ideal and actualize it within the current world of experience. If you want a detailed view of that process, I suggest the book, Halachic Man by R. Soloveitchick.

Ğanisty
07-30-2006, 03:00 PM
Doc started a great thread about Cain awhile back that you may be interested in:
http://www.forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=90

Alarum
08-11-2006, 09:54 PM
I know you have spoke to me about how the actual diagram of the Tree in your specific tradition being different, but what are the actual philosophical differences?
How much has Hermeticism damaged the true meaning of qabbalah?

I talk obviously from a perspective where all I have read or learned about qabbalah is from a Hermetic source.

m1thr0s
08-12-2006, 02:25 AM
How much has Hermeticism damaged the true meaning of qabbalah?
I'm not going to try to answer this question from Doc's position (obviously) but I do think the question itself is framed incorrectly. Hermeticism itself stems primarily through the Mystery schools of ancient Greece and Egypt and may stretch even further back than this (stark parallels to be found in Babylonian, Sumerian, etc). We know almost nothing about the Heirophants of Ancient Greece responsible for the Rites of Eleusis for a period of many uninterrupted centuries, just as one example. But what we seem to have seen occuring throughout European Hermeticism (mainly) is that more contemporary "Hermeticists" have borrowed heavily from many Qabbalistic sources and subsequently embellished them beyond recognition in certain instances. It is difficult to avoid the appearance of antisemitism in much of this activity, although, in truth, all the mystery schools have borrowed against each other at one time or another and Hebrew Qabbalah is no exception. The problem exists more as a matter of deliberate misrepresentation at particular times and places than any kind of general competition between Hermeticism and Qabbalism in total...at least from what I have been able to gather.

But it does make it difficult to be certain of almost any assertions we may hear being put forward in the name of Qabbalah in general. I am of the general opinion that Hermetic Philosophy needs to redefine itself and return as much as possible to its original roots which can actually be traced a lot better through Pythagorianism than it can through Hebrew Qabbalah. Still, when the matter turns to Thebes and the kinds of fusing of metaphysical systems we seem to find there, even East Indian and East Asian elements are visibly present influences...so it's not an easy task redefining Hermeticism at this point. Even so, I think this has to happen...or simply will happen of necessity itself if people are going to make any real advances of any kind built upon so-called Hermetic philosophy.

m1thr0s

DocHolliday
08-14-2006, 01:31 PM
I cannot and will not say that Hermeticism has "damaged" the meaning of qabbalistic thought and tradition. My opinion is that Hermeticism's "flaw," if it may be called such derives its nature from the fact that it has never drawn from the Hebraic tradition. It draws from the so-called "Christian" Qabbalah [sic], which in and of itself is something bastardized. Christian scholars attempted to use qabbalistic teachings as an apologetic basis for their own theology and thus convince Jews to abandon their faith in favour of Christianity. The Zohar, especially, was a favoured tool of Christian scholars who chose this course of action. A general lack of understanding (and most especially a grave amount of ignorance regarding the Hebrew languag) only served to further the loss of recognizable traits within the emergent, "Hermetic" Qabbalah. Syncretizing these borrowed elements with concepts taken from other faiths (e.g. Hinduism) have simply obfuscated matters more.

m1thr0s
08-14-2006, 02:57 PM
Syncretizing these borrowed elements with concepts taken from other faiths (e.g. Hinduism) have simply obfuscated matters more.you mean like the fact that the Hermetic word for "spirit" is "akasha"...a sanskrit word for "sound" traditionally assigned to the 5th chakra?

It goes on and on, that's for sure. I think the only solution is to begin a general campaign of cultural awareness within Hermeticism itself. It may not catch on right away, but it will produce much keener Hermeticists one at a time and this will have its impact in due course...

We just need to develop the habit of asking ourselves where does this word or concept originate? Is our intended usage the same or not the same? If it is not the same, we need to acknowledge that. Revisionism is the bane of Fusionism and it hits us where we least expect it...every time.

m1thr0s

DocHolliday
08-17-2006, 01:18 PM
I don't mean the words themselves, I mean the actual concepts, such as chakras and what not.

m1thr0s
08-17-2006, 01:23 PM
I don't follow you Doc...Hermeticism has misrepresented chakras? In any case I don't feel like it's accurate to say that Hermeticism has been an apologetic form of anything...that may depend on who we are talking about though and when. It is intrinsically syncretic, this is true but I really don't believe in the idea of a "pure" religion or philosophy anyway...they are all syncretic on some level. So is art, for that matter...science...most things really...

m1thr0s

DocHolliday
08-18-2006, 01:11 AM
I am not saying that Hermeticism has misprepresented chakras. What I am saying is that it's so syncretistic that it loses much of what it borrows from. I'm not sure if that made sense...

m1thr0s
08-18-2006, 05:51 PM
I think I do understand that but it seems to me what we are really talking about is intellectual mediocrity in general and not so much anything having to do with syncretic method, if we can call it that...and I think we sort of do have to look at how people typically go about "distilling" data outside their immediate frame of reference. There are certain dangers involved in this but no one ever really seems to address it...very few real scholars in this area who are trained well enough to communicate the proper techniques or potential hazards etc...

On a personal level I think you can only try to be aware of the risks and maybe develop some sort of checks and balances in your own chunking processes...it's almost always a matter of scrutinizing context in my experience at least, so being aware and respectful of diverse contexts is a good starting point...

m1thr0s

HobGobliRob
10-25-2006, 12:02 AM
I really don't believe in the idea of a "pure" religion or philosophy anyway...they are all syncretic on some level. So is art, for that matter...science...most things really...

m1thr0s

My own work with the Kaballah ( I don't argue the spelling), is not the "purest or dogmatic" but my intentions are sincere. I ve studied from freemasonry, tarot , and all the other usual sources. But in the end, the fruit of my labor has produced for me a three dimisional, gemstone atom shaped, cube-octahededon like device with 144 arcana (instead of 22) ,12 spheres instead of 10. Its like a globe for my psyche. It filled for me a lot of things that seemed to be missing in the traditional wisdom. Its hard to put all the work in this small space. So im being brief. All the "greats " were experimentors.

m1thr0s
10-25-2006, 01:44 AM
All the "greats " were experimentors.indeed...with or without anyone else's stuffed-shirt endorsements...for some of us, necessity is the only opinion we give a flying fuck about...

m1thr0s

MythMath
10-25-2006, 01:44 AM
Sounds groovy...

Got any diagrams...?

CG animations...?

Anibis
10-25-2006, 05:14 PM
My own work with the Kaballah ( I don't argue the spelling), is not the "purest or dogmatic" but my intentions are sincere. I ve studied from freemasonry, tarot , and all the other usual sources. But in the end, the fruit of my labor has produced for me a three dimisional, gemstone atom shaped, cube-octahededon like device with 144 arcana (instead of 22) ,12 spheres instead of 10. Its like a globe for my psyche. It filled for me a lot of things that seemed to be missing in the traditional wisdom. Its hard to put all the work in this small space. So im being brief. All the "greats " were experimentors.

Oh, very interesting, I hope to chat with you in the future as regards this. I have similarily come up with an octahedron shaped 'resonator' for the Tarot. I discuss it here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=3321&postcount=2). I use 23 Trumps, here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2939&postcount=15). I have developed a tarot which is basically divided into two 'books'. One of 93 components, the other of 39. The total is 132, Which is of course QBL. All of this stuff is in accordance to a little numerological 'bow tie' that I call the abrahadabra key (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=167).
I'd love to hear how your model works. Any schematics?
-Ibisis

DocHolliday
01-14-2008, 09:20 AM
Holy ressurection, Batman!

One thing I've concluded is that working exclusively within a Qabbalistic framework allows one to dispense of tools, ritual chambers, and just about every affectation within magical work. When peeling back the layers of halachah (Jewish law) which have been used to masquerade the rawest essence of Qabbalah, one encounters a system of direct manipulation. The realization that Sammael himself is En Soph Or, and that a life lived according to Qabbalistic principles allows one to liberate the form of Sammael from his prison, and reconstitude En Soph Or within the self in it's ideal: pure, unfettered balance without submission to any stricture. The seeds of Sammael and Adam are within all people, it is simply a matter of awakening the fire which will burn away the earth.

Darkwater
01-15-2008, 07:36 PM
How does the "Dark Kaballah" sit with the Kabalistic "Grande Plan of Universal Causes"

DocHolliday
01-15-2008, 08:07 PM
How does the "Dark Kaballah" sit with the Kabalistic "Grande Plan of Universal Causes"

There is no "Grand Plan" within the core of Qbbalah, Hebraic or otherwise. Hassidic teachings, stemming as they do from the school of Yishaq Luria may believe that there is a design behind it all, but such is not evident in the basic texts (i.e. Sefer Yesirah and the Hechaloth).

Furthermore, when one looks outside the canon, one sees indications that the Qabbalistic secrets were handed down not by the angel Raziel, but by beings that would later be known as shedim (demons).

The early ba'ale shem (masters of the name) weren't pious individuals.

rzk
08-09-2008, 06:13 AM
Anyone interested in the dark side of the Qabala: the Qliphoth should check out the book
"Qabala, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic" by Thomas Karlsson.

Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic is a unique practical introduction to magic. The main thread of the book is the exploration of the Qliphoth and the dark mysteries which have for so long been a repressed part of western esotericism. Instead of ignoring and denying the dark side, the author reveals, step by step, how man can get to know his Shadow and, through this, reach a deeper knowledge of the Self. By exploring and not by repressing the Shadow it can be transformed from a destructive force into a creative power.

The book deals with the problem of evil, the symbolism behind the fall of Lucifer and man’s creation process according to Qabalistic philosophy.

The theories that are presented in this book are also linked to practice. Several examples of rituals, meditations, magical exercises and occult correspondences can be found within. Qabalah, Qliphoth and Goetic Magic contains more than one hundred demonic sigils and pieces of art that were created specifically for this book. A unique collection of all the sigils from the classic grimoires Lemegeton: The Lesser Key of Solomon and the infamous Grimorium Verum are also included.


http://www.theajnaoffensive.com/ajnabound/images/embossed_cover.jpg




Another good book is of course Nightside of Eden, by Kenneth Grant:

http://www.fieldsbooks.com/fields/images/items/200x1000/A2842.JPG

Darkwater
08-11-2008, 10:28 AM
Within the core of the grande plan is the point where all is art or green,arising from the culmination of ten layers perfectly compounded to form the core of the chariot,from there new layers are applied ten in total until you are complete & ready to link with others.

Love this thread,by the way.

sethur
08-11-2008, 11:27 AM
I would not call Halakhah another form of the merkabah.

Blimey, does anybody? I have been aware for 23 years of the ignorance of Jewish tradition displayed by non-Jewish "Cabalists" but that takes the biscuit!

As for a previous post: Cain and Lilith? Azazel and Shemyaza? Tubal Cain?

Yawns. Gothy trad craft raises it's multiple-pierced head again, and in a grown-up forum too. Andrew Chumley has a lot to answer for, and look where his researches got him. Cruel thing to say, I know, but there you go.