Account Closed

[deviadah]

I've noticed that several folks here have their Account Closed... is this due to AF or themselves?

A cleansing going on, or are people just too busy having a life rather than hanging around here?

:confused:

[m1thr0s]

We don't close accounts upon request. If people want to leave they can just stop posting....

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

We don't close accounts upon request.

Ok, I understand...

:cool:

[Apopheros]

Speaking of closed account, when is Oazaki coming back?:mad:

[m1thr0s]

We don't discuss closed accounts in open forum.

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

I must confess that it also took me some time to get the intention of this forum (though its quite simple): its m1thr0s own magical system! everything else is just drappings and embellishment- one shouldnt forget that...and after all thats absolutely legitimate-everyone of us could make his own site after all. now if it would be shit in my opinion Id relentlessly ridicule it you can be sure of that- but ("unfortunately" ;) lol ) it isnt...

[Anibis]

It may be even simpler than that Kuroyagi: it may be that the intention is to study the abrahadabra formula in all of it's possible facets. This is by no means a free-for-all, though since the formula itself presents a certain structure with certain defined elements. It can be treated more or less rigorously, and as the case happens to be m1thr0s' system is of a very high standard of rigor... As a result, in order to really know what one is dealing with as regards abrahadabra, his system is an important one to study. Other's have brought their own treatments of the formula to the board here too, and have presented varient systems, and without 'speaking for m1thr0s', I would wager the guess that he is very much supportive of any attempt to treat abrahadabra intelligently... It just so happens that attacking the problem of abrahadabra without at least some familiarity with certain of the methods in his system is like attacking relativity independently of einstein... I guess I'd like to put forth the sense that any contribution or magickal system is welcome here, though, one would be foolish to ignore what m1thr0s has provided which is one of the most rigorous and poweful treatments of 418 around... Good insight though, K... it is a bit freeing to realize the specifics of a certain context... There is cerainly a project of a certain form going on here...
-Anibis

[Naomi]

Well I'm totally bored of Abrahadabra. I think m1thr0s's stuff is a lot more interesting.

It is a cool word. SOunds spooky.

[fr.novumorganum]

and we have very little patience for trolls here, nor are we running a social networking site.


there are no short cuts in magick

[Kuroyagi]

Thanks Anibis, good thoughts there too! What you write inspires me to think about how much one needs to "subjugate" oneself under a system/teachings and how again one must also liberate oneself from it to a certain degree (also filter out idiosyncrasies of its creator) in order to profit REAlly- (also in the meaning of: giving something back.)...the subjugation is indirect proportional to ones former knowledge/experience it seems...but then the philosophical/general everday exp./psychological schooling is also relevant in the "realization/liberation" process again...very good thoughts...An-I!

I'm also a bit with Naomi here, cause Anibis youre right- after all it IS called abrahadabra and I havent concerned myself indepth with the Word/concept as of now either. it makes sense what you say, namely that the more one is familiar of the "creative influences of a system- the more one is in the know, the more one is able to present alternatives or effectively critizise..and thats what the creator of a system is probably most interested in...cause creativity itself NEVER comes out of the blue, its always (also) the ability to make connections to begin with...yet even though I'm not into the (11) abra formula yet I still found this sys. profitable...and dont "worry" ;) I also would like to check your thoughts like the calendrics interpretation of the tarot in due time and Im quite looking forward to it. :)

yet.having said that, I disagree with fr. novum in a general way too (though in his context hes right of course). There are, there MUST be shortcuts in magic(k), this is also what creativity- and development of the Arts- is all about; to make a system/or parts thereof more efficient and effective, this is also what large parts of science is about too...well, its good to have intelligent ppl here- to discuss it- its quite a topic actually also if we bring Einstein into it, who always was against what he had discovered (dual nature of light etc.) himself but somehow grugdingly had to see the facts that he didnt like...very interesting stuff there in the scientific convos of the first half of the 20th century for sure....

[Naomi]

Yes I agree Kuroyagi. Tamagahane style:

"Annoy us and die!"

I have to go write now....don't get banned everyone. ^_^

[m1thr0s]

I really don't think that was necessary Naomi...nobody is out to get anybody but I have said about a million times...this is NOT Occult Forums people...why should I duplicate what already exists abudantly all over the damn web...

Abrahadabra.com does have a theme and that makes it a little different than some sites of this kind. I am extremely hesitant to define that theme as my own personal magickal system for a number of reasons. I didn't invent Abrahadabra...it's been around for a very long time and people have sort of chipped away at it from generation to generation. Finally it comes down to me and I have elected to slam the pedal to the floor on this thing. Let's either get this sucker airborn or forget about it and move on. This has been my whole attitude from the start. If the thing didn't have a remarkable staying power of its own accord, I would have trashed the crap out of it years ago.

Now it happens that Abrahadabra is a highly syncretic model of Man and Universe that incorporates all kinds of things. Crowley once stated that it should ultimately be seen to incorporate everything or it would fail to amount to a so-called "glyph of the great work in completion", and on this point we agree. That means that opening up this forum to other kinds of discussion than Abrahadabra alone is actually mandatory but it also means that just about anything that gets discussed here is going to be viewed through that filter by some of us since this is ultimately what this site is all about.

If you have no interest in Abrahadabra you probably don't belong here or else you may feel uncomfortable here and there's not a lot I can do about that. I have no interest in people whose perceptions are so narrow that they cannot see the big picture going on here and that picture is legitimately huge. If people behave so as to drag that higher discussion into the dirt they are going to wind up crossing horns with me and this is my site folks. I'm a real mess to have on your ass under any circumstances but here in this place I don't even have to bother with taking you apart piece by piece. If your behavior is placing this work in jeopardy in my opinion, you're history...I simply don't have any inclination to deal with it and the stakes are too damn high otherwise. We are addressing an extremely dynamic "hidden" physics here and it's hard enough to get people to recognize that without it being smeared over in monkey shit. If I see that occuring I will simply shut it down.

So people don't absolutely have to give a shit about Abrahadabra but they do need to be aware and respectful of the fact that this is the main reason this particular site is here at all. I used to have a plain old everyday sort of site where I just posted images and articles and that was it. But it wasn't evolving fast enough to suit me...it was frankly sort of pointless to be engaging a one-way discussion all the damn time. There was nowhere you could really go to discuss this topic in a fairly neutral environment before these forums began and now there is.

It doesn't get much simpler than that...

edit: Thanks K for bringing this out...and I happen to know that if this thing couldn't keep pace with your own substantial wit it would have become one of its victims by now. That's exactly the kind of skill I am after here...I'm the same damn way myself. They call this "hacking away the inessentials" in the East...and I'm heavy into that strategy as well...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

I post a lot in the various segments of this forum, but I have consciously NOT written/posted a lot concerning Abrahadabra because I know shit about it... that does not mean I don't read the threads and posts concerning this or the stuff on the www.abrahadabra.com, and when I feel ready I am sure to have my say or throw out a Q!

Although some stuff I am interested in, or know something about, borders or interlinks with Abrahadabra - as I have noticed - and that is why I am also here.

That and it sounds cool!

:cool:

[Naomi]

Well, it was amusing to say and I laughed. I didn't mean it that much. Well maybe a little. I have a bad reputation and a pleasant disposition. Nobody should be afraid of getting banned. It's as silly as, well, being afraid of dying.

^_^

The site is lucky isn't it?

The planet's lucky!

[m1thr0s]

Life is full of surprizes. When I started this forum I fully expected people from OTO camps to come pouring in demanding some accounting, prepared to fling their weak AC trivia in my face etc as if I was somehow unaware of all of that. I was ready for them boy...shotguns loaded...shelves stuffed with ammo...the whole 9 yards. Nothing. Hardly a peep from hostile OTOers at all. Which is to their advantage really since if they had any damn brains to begin with they would have to be pretty amazed that AC's stuff floats seamlessly into anything I may have come up with. I have established certain proofs as to the longrange validity of this formula that completely exceeds his own knowledge...or at least any published material of this kind...all of that goes to the validation of the formula itself. Crowley may have finished his work but Abrahadabra itself is just getting started...

Nobody is running around measuring how much anything posted has to do with Abrahadabra but that is ultimately what this site boils down to. No one is under any obligation to be onboard with that other than being respectful of it as I have said. That respect will be returned in kind. There's all kinds of shit I know nothing about and would like to know more about etc. It's unlikely that I will be able to look at any of that without sorting out the connections but I don't expect anybody else to be in that position or think that way at all.

That would make me some sort of fundamentalist and I'm way too smart for that crap...

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

>Naomi: I see it likewise- Im not afraid of being banned, but I was mistaken when thinking that this is just another occult discussion board w/o any context...I mean: so what? if Im banned I'll still use the system or research it..so what?...because I think its worth something thats all..."annoy us or die" is funny btw...! having said that I dont change my opinions on Naomis posts, to me they are worthy and inspiring too....also in relation to the system. so I dont even know what this is about...even on OF they were, so I dont care about any restrictions- its important that this site is public I think, its a very good take on liberty in this context.

[deviadah]

Well said m1thr0s...
That would make me some sort of fundamentalist and I'm way too smart for that crap...

There is certainly no FUN in fundamentalism!

[m1thr0s]

yeah...banned...what is that...anybody can read through this site banned or not. Anybody can use whatever they find here however they like...all it does is limit one's ability to post here that's all.

We may eventually go more underground...or not...I'm in no big hurry. For right now I think the public bantor is a good thing and if somebody gets shut down it doesn't mean anything on a personal level at all...it's just a decision that gets made regarding site content and what works or doesn't work for the site as a whole at this immediate time. Things may change in 6 months or a year and then we can review all of that at that time...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I banned m1thr0s once. True story. He was being really fucking annoying! Like not even on the forum I banned him from either!

I laughed when Sebastian got banned. It was funny when I got banned. This place is really entertaining. (why the fuck do you think I'm still here?) but oh yeah I studied real hard here when I was banned, quite useful automatic discipline.

You know, it took me almost 3 weeks of trying to get banned on occultforums. It's almost impossible to get banned there. You can even threaten people and post nudie pictures. That's why it sucks. Eric doesn't know how to lay down the law.

but, tact...

rofl

[deviadah]

I got banned once... it was a radical socialist forum (in Swedish)... I went in there, made one post and then I got banned!

But I guess I was looking for trouble... oh I got banned from a CM place too... it was all a bit chaotic...

But to be banned from a forum where one spends a lot of time, is a waste of time. Then it is better to just leave... like m1thr0s said (or wrote, but I hear voices when I read) earlier!

[m1thr0s]

I banned m1thr0s once. True story. He was being really fucking annoying! Like not even on the forum I banned him from either!
rofl...I feel so distinguished :D

m1thr0s (the distinguished one)

[Naomi]

You should be. I've never banned anyone in my whole life up to that point, or since then. Fucking hermits...

Oh well remember this? Someone off OF had asked me to repost what I had saved of my posts pre-hack so I was like "Oh hell I guess I can contribute"

http://www.occultforums.com/showpost.php?p=243784&postcount=1

so - did you give me three warnings and then ban me or did you just ban me, no scruples whatsoever? No don't answer any of that...I already know given what I've read about your endeavors turning false gods into spacedust to fertilize new galaxies.

These are important issues that have direct relevance to the world at large. That's a good thread, btw, I sort of just realized I kick ass I wish you'd delete the damned thing.

;)

[Kuroyagi]

I got banned once... it was a radical socialist forum (in Swedish)... I went in there, made one post and then I got banned!

But I guess I was looking for trouble... oh I got banned from a CM place too... it was all a bit chaotic...

But to be banned from a forum where one spends a lot of time, is a waste of time. Then it is better to just leave... like m1thr0s said (or wrote, but I hear voices when I read) earlier!

I once tried to get myself banned from a Discordian board...

[Naomi]

So...what happened? Did they feed you to the fnords or the nergals?

[Kuroyagi]

oh not much they wanted to "kill me" by sarcastic one-liner assassination squad and insults- and rightly so! I was a nasty a.hole, I also simply completely refused to understand their American minds etc..yet some were sending me pms and telling me "that I had a point etc.", funnily they had a very *archaic* social structure there- with much emphasis on the importance of "senior members" -how discordian etc (thats one reason why I believe that anarchism if suddenly established with todays humans mostly would merely revert to some form of tribal archaism..course its impossible to predict such things)...recently I checked there again and it got better- yet Im still not too interested in it right now...I think a few members from AF and former Magic Catastrophe have accounts there too...

[Naomi]

I used to belong to a Discordian art forum called Eatpoo, it was a trial by fire. Actually a trial by falling shit. They later found me so amusing they signed me up for the yearly art Gladiator thing, where you have to uhh....make the best painting or you get banned. I didn't participate because I was in, what I like to call my "Satanist" moodswing, thus I was naturally spending all of my social time at the 600 club.

I enjoy getting a little dirty once in a while on forums I don't care about, it keeps my mental juices flowing for when I have to deal with actual humans. Yikes.

[deviadah]

Maybe start at band of Forum Terrorists... like some web version of the Seven Samurai/Assasins... wait better go PM with this... don't want to leave a trace...

:p

[Frater CaO]

Hahahaha, somehow this thread evolved unexpectedly well into something I actually enjoy a hell of a lot, humor :)

What I think though, is that the Abrahadabra Current in itself. Attract a certain "kind"? of people. What this "kind?" is "exactly" is out of my current mental capability.. anyways.
I found it in my early days as a Thelemite. Due to the word Abrahadabra being the "word of the aeon" and all that crowleyan stuff.
But as M1 said, it has been around for SO long. It is such an ancient formula.
And it seem to be so widespread, even during the ancient times.
Its somewhat primeval or whatever I think, maybe its embedded into some certain dna strain some of us happen to possess or whatever ;)

And for the people closing their accounts? I havent even noticed :P
People like everything else, is in constant flux..

[fr.novumorganum]

i think it attracts the people that want to talk to their DNA and RNA

[The Cove]

Greetings -

This 'closet' cave dweller has never been banned or even warned.

Well, one time I was asked to make less apparently crazy or nonsensical posts - but that is about it.

For the record - I am banned from every single tough guy, down and out, criminal sided bar in this whole city. Not a very big city.

It got so bad that I had too put on an urbane mask and swill Jameson's at the upper class euro-yuppie bars.

Things change of course.

Oh well.

Ach.

[Apopheros]

For the record - I am banned from every single tough guy, down and out, criminal sided bar in this whole city. Not a very big city.



Same here with afterhours and raves. Althought I plan to go out again someday, I'm gonna be a wreck for everyone who shows up for me I garantee.

[Apopheros]

omg I'm on the fucking line omg
what the hell should I do???:confused:

[Kuroyagi]

Donate..? and *pray*...:rofl: (or rather: blaspheme!)

[Apopheros]

lol yeah...I feel like I'm gonna have to sponsor a new member$hip soon

[m1thr0s]

I'm glad you guys know what the f*ck you're talking about...:)

m1

[Naomi]

I didn't do it and I don't know.

::skims thread::

I'm glad I'm not banned though.

[m1thr0s]

we haven't banned very many people and since we went to manual registrations the numbers have dropped to almost nothing. It makes a big difference having some choice who you let in to begin with...changes the whole heuristic really.

but a lot of these boards are just a kind of electronic dumpyard for people to unload whatever psychic debris they've accrued...catharsis crap and all of that. I am sympathetic to that but that's not what's going on right here so much...a little I think...but nowhere near as much as with other sites...

So while we get less traffic, we get more done really and a few people have managed to pull out some very powerful breakthroughs in their own lives etc... We've got a long way to go but this site is actually going somewhere and that's pretty unusual from anything I have seen elsewhere.

m1

[MythMath]

Ahh, the 'B' word...

(breakthrough) :yes:

[m1thr0s]

yeah...I guess I made a few breakthroughs at OF as well...but I realized I was wasting a lot of good time and energy there essentially...

and it was important to come to grips with that I think...not everybody is ready for this site and that's ok...it's not a freaking shopping mall anyway.

more like an island, basically... :cool:

m1

[Naomi]

OH LOL k I remember now....thats why that happened....


rofl

[Apopheros]

Well it comes down to this:

Can't you fucking see theres a goddam pharaon face in my avatar and this pic was taken from the Sun on February 20 2006 and theres about 50 goddam sphere around the Sun that look like goddam UFO how the Hell do you explain this shit now catharsis fuck no and how you explain it looks like my goddam face in the goddam SUN????? The GFODDAM STRANGE ATTRACTORS TRICKED ME AND I'VE GOT TO LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES AND PRAY FOR MERCY






http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/6095/20022006sigriy0.jpg

[Naomi]

Nice pic, it reminds me of this Twinstar....

http://abrahadabra.com/images/twinstar003.jpg (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=8024&postcount=36)

[m1thr0s]

CANT YOU FUCKING SEE????ok, so you're fucking god or whatever...congrat-u-fucking-lations your highness...:)

now what? cuz in case you hadn't noticed, your ass is caught in a meat grinder...:cool:

I wouldn't waste my breath praying for mercy, btw...it's your contraption...you'll have to fix it all by yourself...:o_O:

m1

[deviadah]

...a kind of electronic dumpyard for people to unload whatever psychic debris they've accrued...catharsis crap and all of that...
Kind of like this thread!

:cool:

[Apopheros]

ok, so you're fucking god or whatever...congrat-u-fucking-lations your highness...:)



That's more like it. You know, I'm a Prince for real man but no one ever believes me. My ancestor got his name from an ennoblement ceremony and I think I got the spanish Jesuite connexion too lol

Sorry for being so bold ... I'm so out of weed these days...:o

[m1thr0s]

doesn't bother me...we've got more royalty around here than you might expect.

sometimes I think it almost requires a kind of royalty to recognize what's really worth anything in so-called occultism...hard to explain...a heightened sense of *kingdom* perhaps...good economic sensibilities...transmigrational intelligence as we find in the animal kingdom...knowing when its time to move and to where etc...

just a thought I return to occasionally...

m1