Empathic Impressions (Question)

[Ritual_Kiss]

Sometimes I find if I feel a different tone in the air, if I open up to it will overwhelm me and my entire perception will shift dramatically into what feels like a foreign space. It would be like the feeling you get when you leave a familiar room, and then come back to find it redecorated. The feeling of the room changes. Except here you get that feeling, without any physical change to the environment.

Sometimes it's easy going, sometimes it's not. It can be tricky if I'm in a mood where I'm afraid of what I might find, and in that case I become paranoid and alienate people and myself. So I try to avoid that. It's also tricky as it's difficult to tell whether it's something astral, or something psychological. I think it's probably both.

Anyway, having explained where my head is at, there is this reoccurring "perception" that shows up every once in a while that is usually associated with light. Except this light isn't something illuminating and warm, but rather blinding and corrosive. When I say corrosive, I mean that when I find myself in that space, it's painful, both emotionally and mentally, and then soon after, physically.
This feeling often occurs when reading literature from Fundamentalist Christians, or viewing, or touching their symbols. Sometimes I come into contact with a random stranger and feel it. However, most Christian symbols and people do not have that effect on me. I can be in the presence of a crucifix and be fine, but another one will throw me off. It seems to be something that exists in degrees all around. I hypothesize that it might be is some sort of astral pollution.

Has anyone else felt something like this before, or have another explanations, or idea?

[Naomi]

I think it's possible you're experiencing extra dimensions. Corrosive can be good though, tempered with water...like forging steel.

I don't like Christians at all though.

[Ritual_Kiss]

That's a good idea. I might look again to see if I can use it. I won't say it's not frightning as hell.

I've met very few Christians that were agreeable. But the few I have met that I liked were fantastic.

[Naomi]

I agree. However, it wasn't the Christian in them that I liked. It was the Satan. I like playing with fire now though - that element certainly is not arising from the Christian theme, though admittedly they put it to use in some fashion for their own well intentioned or demented projects.

[Talkingfox]

RK, I'm sure you'll be able to use it. An innate ability to sense and empathize with dis-ease is what makes outstanding diagnosticians/healers among other things.

Detaching oneself personally from the input is the hard part I think....

[Ritual_Kiss]

RK, I'm sure you'll be able to use it. An innate ability to sense and empathize with dis-ease is what makes outstanding diagnosticians/healers among other things.

Detaching oneself personally from the input is the hard part I think....

I agree. I've had to give up friendships with people I cared about because it was eventually too hard to adjust with their depression.

[Ritual_Kiss]

I gotta add, feeling pain from this blinding light puts the mythology of the unholy being burned by crosses and holy water into context.

[Naomi]

Then invoke the dark fire of the first, it's not white....

be above light and dark

[Ritual_Kiss]

I wanna be very careful about what mythology I want to apply to working with it. I feel if I were to use the light/dark paradigm, I might become subject to it. I would rather look as energies created by several differnt people, than an original natural force. I mean, is that what you meant?

[Naomi]

Well I am saying you could fight fire with fire. I still hold onto the Hermetic principals of the elements as one of my few foundational beliefs. Certainly it's not limited to five, but that's what we've got.

If you're comfortable with original natural force then what can stand in your way, wielding that sort of power?

[Ritual_Kiss]

No, I work with natural forces and all. What I meant was I don't think this corrosive light is originally a natural force. I think it's something created as opposed to being something you create out of the natural. For example, the astral is a natural force, and so is our individual minds, but what we create out of it is the result of willing creation out of those forces, and that's what I think this light might be.

Something I've been doing lately with worry in particular, is visualize the worry in the form of magnetized particles that come together, increasing as time goes on. I then visualize them as repelling each other, like two magnets of the same poles, and slipping through my fingers in my mind's eye when I try to force them together. I find that when I visualize in that way, any heaviness of heart and mind disappears. Maybe I can use a similar technique for this light, but I feel it's important to have a better understanding of what the hell it is.
When I'm in that space, I find myself almost paralyzed by it. Thinking about it is one thing, and I can come up with several ideas on how to use it, but being consumed by it is different. I'm starting to think maybe I should just stick with a good ol' fashioned banishing.

[Naomi]

If it is a man made natural force then you can overcome it with original elemental forces.

[Ritual_Kiss]

You have a great point. I'll work on it, and come back to you with what I find out.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

This feeling often occurs when reading literature from Fundamentalist Christians, or viewing, or touching their symbols.
At worst I just get mental nausea ;)


Has anyone else felt something like this before, or have another explanations, or idea?
I would suggest that this is more of a case of psychological pollution than anything astral. Try wearing something talismanic that for you is more powerful than that which offends. A ring, for example.

[Ritual_Kiss]

[quote=Ci Celli Ddu;24351)
I would suggest that this is more of a case of psychological pollution than anything astral. Try wearing something talismanic that for you is more powerful than that which offends. A ring, for example.[/quote]


I was just thinking about that last night. I find that making charms works quite well for me. I was thinking of making a few and experimenting with different ways of charging them as I make them. I'm reluctant to use anything associated with darkness, just because as much as I respect it, darkness is space and doesn't consume light. Another ritual I did when in high school came to mind that might work really well that puts focus on light passing through an object (For a few hours, mind you.) The original "object" in that circumstance was me, and resulted in a violent tank hell-bend on beating me senseless, taking no notice of me when I was present for about a week (Phew.)

I don't dismiss the possibility that it's psychological pollution, but if that were completely true, I wouldn't see how some Christian symbols trigger it while the same symbols in other places and times do not.

Another thing I could do, as NaomiChan mentioned, is fight fire with fire, which is why I'm brushing up on Elemental magick to get me going.

In the meantime, I want to say thanks. You guys are being really helpful! :)

[Talkingfox]

I don't dismiss the possibility that it's psychological pollution, but if that were completely true, I wouldn't see how some Christian symbols trigger it while the same symbols in other places and times do not.


Rather than dealing in the abstract of a 'symbol' how about the energy on a specific item...symbolic or not?

The user and/or the maker of items often put a lot of juice into religious items...you could be picking up on that.....the asshole factor of the user of the symbol not the symbol itself.

[Ritual_Kiss]

Another great point. I completely forgot about the asshole factor.

[nK.CCC]

Ive never felt something like that from a symbol or something 'small' like that, and maybe Im being rediculous about this but Ive been argumenting with Christians countless times, and they always say that believing is seeing, and I always tell them that I have to see to believe. But during a period when I was really depressed I tried praying some, but nothing happened, I tried over and over again but nothing happened, until this one night when I was in this weird Im-flying-chill mood, felt like I was high or something, but I wasnt. Anyways I started to pray some (mind-talking) and I felt this weird whosh sweeping by, not a cold whosh but rather warm and very comfortable, and right after that whosh it felt like I was being lifted - like spiritually, someone was trying to pull me up, and I kept going upwards until it scared me shitless and I realised what was going on, during the time I felt like I was being lifted, I remember being on this huge stone platform with roses everywhere, it was like I was dreaming - but I was concious, only I couldnt control my body for a moment.

Anyways, Ive seen Passion of the Christ like 15 times, its something about that movie, especially when he falls with the crucifix and his mother runs towards him to pick him up, and u see some flashbacks from when he were younger and how she 'runs to his rescue' :). So when he gets up he say "Look mom, Im making everything new" - everytime I see that, I feel that whosh sweeping by and it starts to tingle in my whole body and my brain activity goes from 50 % to 100 or something, I get like flashes of evil stuff Ive seen etc, its just scary :)

[KaosSwirl]

Sometimes I find if I feel a different tone in the air, if I open up to it will overwhelm me and my entire perception will shift dramatically into what feels like a foreign space. It would be like the feeling you get when you leave a familiar room, and then come back to find it redecorated. The feeling of the room changes. Except here you get that feeling, without any physical change to the environment.

Sometimes it's easy going, sometimes it's not. It can be tricky if I'm in a mood where I'm afraid of what I might find, and in that case I become paranoid and alienate people and myself. So I try to avoid that. It's also tricky as it's difficult to tell whether it's something astral, or something psychological. I think it's probably both.

Anyway, having explained where my head is at, there is this reoccurring "perception" that shows up every once in a while that is usually associated with light. Except this light isn't something illuminating and warm, but rather blinding and corrosive. When I say corrosive, I mean that when I find myself in that space, it's painful, both emotionally and mentally, and then soon after, physically.
This feeling often occurs when reading literature from Fundamentalist Christians, or viewing, or touching their symbols. Sometimes I come into contact with a random stranger and feel it. However, most Christian symbols and people do not have that effect on me. I can be in the presence of a crucifix and be fine, but another one will throw me off. It seems to be something that exists in degrees all around. I hypothesize that it might be is some sort of astral pollution.

Has anyone else felt something like this before, or have another explanations, or idea?


this sounds very similar to my experiences when i first started realising that the emotions i was feeling werent my emotions but the emotions of the people around me, the experience would happen sporadicley and without warning and the feeling was a sort of spontanious realisation of feeling and percieving the presents of the moment, everything changed dramaticley and yet there wasnt any perceptable change.

this isnt something to worry about but is actually a very sought after realisation, ive been practicing zen for about a year, but before i started this i was very adept at working with trance its rather funny how going into trance can actually help with the realisation of the moment.