Complex question about leaving your body forever

[DarkIntellect]

I've noticed that the last post here is fairly similar to this topic but I felt this deserved its own thread. By the way, hi all I'm new.

Please nobody laugh or jeer at this post of mine. I'm merely wondering to how far and what extent projection can affect the physical and one's self, if that makes any sense.

Within the past month I've been doing some serious reading on the topic of astral projection. Learning of "Walk Ins" got me thinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk-in
http://www.greatdreams.com/walkin.htm
http://www.crystalinks.com/walk_ins.html


I've asked at many sites such as this the same question, some say it's possible, others not. This question may seem crazy to say the least, but some think the idea of astral projection itself is crazy so here it goes. Now, to begin, even though I have only experienced it once and am by no means an expert, I don't think AP is just an internal experience. I do believe it is the consciousness leaving the body. At least I hope that's the case. Anyway, the following is a 2 part question.

1)Is it possible to leave your physical self forever? I do know that death is considered the "permanent OBE". I also get that you can't die when you project and the body has some sort of built in defense mechanism to yank you back in if it senses danger. But is it possible to leave your body forever and with consciousness gone, it becomes simply comatose?

2)Here's where my question might make some of you roll your eyes. Deja Vu. I've had Deja Vu off and on all my life. I have an average Deja Vu once every 1 or 2 years. I'll dream of something and a month later I will experience the exact same thing in real life. Down to the last detail. My own theory on Deja Vu is it's your soul time traveling. If not, then what the hell is it? Now this raises another question.
If what I've read is true and it is possible to leave your body, AND time travel is also possible, at least with your soul, is there a chance that you can enter your body at a younger age and more or less start life over with your memories intact? Would a spirit guide be able to help with something like this? Sorry if this was too confusing.

Also, if this is in the wrong section, my apologies to the staff.

[deviadah]

My own theory on Deja Vu is it's your soul time traveling.
Very interesting, I will have to think about this for a while...

I have had many theories myself on Deja Vu, or See Again, but never thought about this. Some of my theories are scientific (and boring), and some are occult (and fun).

I always thought about recording all my Deja Vu to track them... but never get around to it since it happens when you least expect it... or you forget it as soon as the moment has passed.

I will have to stop being lazy in this area!

Oh, and Welcome!

[Anibis]

This is a very thoughtful, and respectful first post. Welcome to AF, DarkIntellect. Like deviadah, I really will have to think about what you ask. My first sense is to say, 'yes' to both questions, but without some details, that response wouldn't be so useful... In a nutshell, I do imagine one could go into a coma and essentially travel the astral indefinitely, although I suspect that the fact that the body is still alive might somehow act as an anchor, making certain regions innaccessable. But again this is just my intuitive sense of it... Time travel, too is interesting.. I think we can range across times, and be in contact with ourselves at various different points: not points on a line so much but like points on a star or wheel that somehow intersects our experience of time laterally... can we 'break from our current consciousness and re-enter the stream at an earlier time'? I don't know, and can't imagine how, although I HAVE gone to my own past and given myself assistance, such that at the very least I believe I dramatically re-wired the chemical/long-term memory banks of my being retroactively... and this doesn't just mean that I falsified my memories, but rather that I re-structured them at the point of their origin (in some cases), by inserting a superior 'manifold'; or set of comprehensional filters (think of it as a sort of mnemonic implant). I believe this is possible, and I continue to explore it using various tools (which you might find on this site), since I think in some cases our entire wiring is so hap-hazard that, it needs to be re-worked in the deep past (ie ancestral memories etc...) this is I suppose my own working hypothesis, and why I do alot of what I do... Don't know if it quite sounds like what you would consider time travel, but it has alot to do with how the future flows through the present and into the past, and how the image of that past carries the potential latent in the future.... This to me is time travel/navigation...Astral style workings would be useful to affect these changes, especially very deep ones... I might add. Once again, welcome to the boards, and I hope to read more of your posts! Cheers;
-Anibis

[Naomi]

There are many records of people vanishing, up a flash or just catching on fire. Others just slip away from their bodies never to return, as was the case with a lady friend of both Crowley and Dion Fortune, who was found dead within her circle on a local island. She stayed out too long, or went too far into the "etheric realms she loved so much" as Fortune put it.

Bardon warns about leaving the zone girdling the earth via astral projection because of the laws surrounding the planet will sever the link to your body except under special circumstances. Mental projection, he asserts, is perfectly safe for whatever distance you can take it.

Robert Bruce recounts the theory in his books that people who have near death experiences are occasionally simply "walk ins" they are people who died, and were reinhabited by a daemonic entity who healed the body at some cost and lived as that person. Life goes to those who don't squander it on purposeless things. (only ones own true self knows what is purposeless and what is not - no one will judge you rightfully in this)

Welcome, and all the best,

Naomi

[Ci Celli Ddu]

1. No. You can't cease to be connected to a time or place, much less your own body. Even if you were to leave your body permanently, you would still be connected to it, because everything happens at once, and everything exists at the same time.

2. See 1.

Oh, and nice to meet you, DI

[Naomi]

Well....

that was profound too

[Talkingfox]

1. No. You can't cease to be connected to a time or place, much less your own body. Even if you were to leave your body permanently, you would still be connected to it, because everything happens at once, and everything exists at the same time.

2. See 1.

Oh, and nice to meet you, DI

I've often wondered if that was the cause of catatonic schizophrenia....
(emphasis mine)

[Copuldaemon]

I've noticed that the last post here is fairly similar to this topic but I felt this deserved its own thread. By the way, hi all I'm new.

Please nobody laugh or jeer at this post of mine. I'm merely wondering to how far and what extent projection can affect the physical and one's self, if that makes any sense.

Within the past month I've been doing some serious reading on the topic of astral projection. Learning of "Walk Ins" got me thinking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walk-in
http://www.greatdreams.com/walkin.htm
http://www.crystalinks.com/walk_ins.html


I've asked at many sites such as this the same question, some say it's possible, others not. This question may seem crazy to say the least, but some think the idea of astral projection itself is crazy so here it goes. Now, to begin, even though I have only experienced it once and am by no means an expert, I don't think AP is just an internal experience. I do believe it is the consciousness leaving the body. At least I hope that's the case. Anyway, the following is a 2 part question.

1)Is it possible to leave your physical self forever? I do know that death is considered the "permanent OBE". I also get that you can't die when you project and the body has some sort of built in defense mechanism to yank you back in if it senses danger. But is it possible to leave your body forever and with consciousness gone, it becomes simply comatose?

2)Here's where my question might make some of you roll your eyes. Deja Vu. I've had Deja Vu off and on all my life. I have an average Deja Vu once every 1 or 2 years. I'll dream of something and a month later I will experience the exact same thing in real life. Down to the last detail. My own theory on Deja Vu is it's your soul time traveling. If not, then what the hell is it? Now this raises another question.
If what I've read is true and it is possible to leave your body, AND time travel is also possible, at least with your soul, is there a chance that you can enter your body at a younger age and more or less start life over with your memories intact? Would a spirit guide be able to help with something like this? Sorry if this was too confusing.

Also, if this is in the wrong section, my apologies to the staff.

Hello new person, for what it's worth welcome.
Uh...I don't think anybody would laugh at worthy questions because nobody is above anybody and we all come here to places like this to learn and in this case, there's no such thing as a stupid question.

I am not into Astral Projection but I have at times been conscious outside of myself and sometimes I can be at other places in this apt. But that is not deliberate.

I can see your concern for such a thing and there is that mysterious case of people dying in their sleep with no prior history of bad health.

My take on this although it's not on subject is that now I am aware of a few organizations or orders whose sole purpose is to preserve the conscious after death.

I do believe in reincarnation without the karma coin deposits and I also have read a few books who similarized a concept of a few deeply involved adepts at the moment before death preserve their essence or consciousness before they body dies through various sex rites and incantations or something like that.

Uh...what else, oh yeah so yes, I do believe in reincarnation but with that, everything that is you is diminished upon death, like a soul recycling process. But you'll always be you but you won't remember you, or you'll always be haunted by a small part of the previous you throughout your life.

So yes, some groups focus is to preserve consciousness after death and though this has nothing exactly to do on the thread, I guess my take on it is astral projection is cool I guess because it's something to do but I think such an ultimate purpose would be to again preserve the conscious into another carnation.

And on a side note, come to think of it, I have seen some new age horror/occult concept movies that went into such a subject, it is very interesting-the possibilities of it but still in the end that's all we're left with-the possibilities.
So far in human history, no one has come back from the grave with validation of facts other than being crazy.

[Naomi]

So far in human history, no one has come back from the grave with validation of facts other than being crazy.

We don't know that.