The Power of Scent

[deviadah]

The quote below from Mutational Alchemy Essentials 001 (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=711) thread: Because Light and Sound are the two most powerful tools the Mind has at its immediate disposal. Beyond this, we actually do know that all gradations...all conditions of matter...are Light/Sound waves vibrating at varying rates and frequencies. What is sometimes difficult to wrap our brains around is that the faculty of Thought itself may ultimately be all that is required to shape or reshape any condition of Matter.
What about Scent?

Now it can be viewed in two ways:

1. Scent can be of mind and/or matter
2. Scent is only a result of matter

Personally scent is very important. I recall in my student days how I used certain odours when I studied, and then later at the test I brought these odours with me to aid my memory. Also sometimes when I catch a certain scent I can be brought back in time to some memory that becomes as vivid as reality.

Now scent is invisible to the eye, but it is made of particles. Scent is, I guess, matter, but if I understand it clearly then scents should, could, be achieved with the power of the mind. Daunting I would think to be able - with only the power of the mind - to create a scent. But with the mind, I have, brought - at least the memory - of scents back into my nostrils.

Light and Sound = powerful indeed, but so is Scent, or do you (m1thr0s) class this as a mere product of matter?

Can the Body of Light have a scent? If, indeed, it is a unity - the Great Work completed - it should consist of both mind and matter, and if scent is matter then the Body of Light should be able to give of a scent... or have I lost my marbles? It is 7 am and I never went to bed reading/thinking about all this shit!
:stars:

[Talkingfox]

I know this was geared towards m1, but have to throw in my 2 cents on this one.

Scent plays an incredibly important role in my personal workings. I have a pretty sharp sense of smell and my brain processes stuff with more than a dab of synesthesia.

The phrase"That smells right (or wrong as the case may be)" isn't a metaphor in my world. It's quite literal.

Wouldn't the role of scent depend on the individual's wiring?

[m1thr0s]

ahhh...it'll affect your dreams over time I assure you.

the olfactory sense is nothing to sneeze at...to ham it up a notch. Somewhere we actually talked about this someplace...the numbers of places in language where the sense of smell is relied upon to communicate vivid visual and sensory impressions. We talk of certain situations stinking or the smell of success or just all kinds of references like this...language is loaded to the gills with this stuff.

So no...not irrelevant and not insignificant at all. Primal though...and probably lower brain as opposing higher cortex etc.

In a strictly transmutational context the general notion has been that matter has its origins in light itself, yet it is also commonly believed by many that this Light is also synonymous with Being and that...if anything...Being itself comes first, albeit indistinguishable from the Light that bears it (at the very highest levels).

This opens up all kinds of possibilities not often explored...If Being comes first, does this Being also enjoy a range of senses? It would seem highly likely that it would or it would surely envy the dead and the dying as it were and this makes very little common sense. So then...how does smell figure in at that level?

And honestly...I think the short answer is "who the hell knows"...but I would not want to be the one to dismiss it as somehow unimportant because it isn't.

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

This opens up all kinds of possibilities not often explored...
You might not know me so well, but I'll let you know that what you said there (italics mine) is the 3 sexiest words combined in the English language. Nothing gets me more going.

I am a sucker of New, Original and Uncharted Waters... like a shot of steroids right into the brain!

Good points with the lingustic aspect - forgot about that. Cheers TF!

So m1thr0s is it then the question: what came first: the light or the being? Or did you answer that and I failed to comprehend?

Perhaps we can learn something here from the animal world since they employ their sense of smell much more than us petty humans. This brings to mind the new Zelda game. In it Link can transform into a wolf and when you push a button you can see scents - in purple I might add - hover above the ground. And you follow this to find certain things etc...

Anyway, this brings me to think that scent might have an aura. And if it does it opens up a whole new line of questions.

[m1thr0s]

addendum...this has been explored in other placess too you know. I have read of numerous instances of very lofty trance states being accompanied by certain smells and also themselves serving as triggers to these altered states etc...

This does not surprize me at all...smell is a powerful systems override...I can well imagine that certain smells would draw a person right out of their mortal shells following the celestial memory connected to them et al...

and that brings us to the relationship between smell & memory...and that's big.

So m1thr0s is it then the question: what came first: the light or the being? Or did you answer that and I failed to comprehend? too many words perhaps. I come down on the side of Being and always have. I take this to be an assumption but I have yet to find anything that significantly challenges it. What I have learned...all the knowledge and experience that I have acquired thus far continues to support this conclusion...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

As a person who sometimes suffer from migraines (about once every six weeks) I can honestly say that nothing is more disturbing than odours (followed closely by Light) - during attacks. I even get sick of my own body odour - even if I am as clean as a baby.

I almost have to hold my nose to be able to go to sleep.

Yes, smell & memory has fascinated me throughout my life. Let us not forget the Art of Aroma Therapy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatherapy)...

Found this quote on THIS (http://www.senseofsmell.org/resources/scientific.php) site (italics mine):
The findings, suggesting a right hemisphere predominance in odor memory, support similar results for odor discrimination.

[m1thr0s]

It's a powerful trail that leads into all kinds of mysteries. Why do you suppose that incense has always been so important to people into ANY form of meditation? Why is *perfume* a multibillion dollar industry? You think the smell of a new car is not one of it's most powerful attractors?

Everywhere you go it plays a part in things...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

Yes... I know/agree to this... I know some shops use scents to attract customers - and sounds. All I really tried to imply with this thread was - after reading what you had written on the Body of Light - was if it had a smell, and if it did is it of importance.

But I guess it has been established now that it's so far unknowable and yes scent is important.

:cool:

[m1thr0s]

I can tell you that just as scents lead to memories...memories also awaken certain scents.
In Body of Light work the latter would tend to prevail over the former...but not necessarily always...

And here of course we are talking about remembering along a higher order of memory...more akin to what Leary and others coined DNA Consciousness I suppose. Like being able to remember the coffee house you used to hang out at just before the universe came into being...or the girl you used to hang out with there...lol...

The Mountains of Oblivion...a place I have called Home and will do so again...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

The Mountains of Oblivion
Nice phrase... yours?

Yeah, DNA consciousness - been on that trip for years now!

:bedazzled:

[m1thr0s]

yeah...so far as I know...a memory...Dragon Country you know...I'm a Water Dragon so I'm a tad emotional about such stuff...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

I have to chuckle. I was in a room with someone here (whom can reveal him/herself to back me up, or not...:laugh:) and another ( a female) in the room as well- and this occurred - just a case example for the potluck.

Particularly with some of the women I have hung out with, people have their own signature scent that penetrates the physical and the occult. One evening we were sitting around dinking with the Monster, and I got up to change the music. I smelled a perfume in the air over by the stereo about 4 ft off the ground, and only in an area of about a cubic meter...roughly...I might have looked little silly sniffing the air around the stereo for a bit, but my friends know me...

and it's just like that...anyways, I knew this scent belonged to a girl for the sake of argument we will call "Maggie"; we all knew the scent, she wore it all the time. So I called over our female companion and said " Can you come and smell this and make sure I'm not hallucinating?" ...because this was a real possibility - like I said...we were dinking with the Monster, and sometimes this requires powerful hallucinogens..

She came over and sniffed. she said "What's that?"
I said " You smell that?" ...She nodded.
I said "It smells like Maggie right? That's her oil she wears"?
She nodded again, and beamed at me. I said " she's coming over, be here soon....:confused: ".

What was it? 15 minutes? No more then 20 - Pop! Knock, knock!

There's Maggie.

So a conversation was born out of that concerning the bodies ability to produce scents through pheromone emissions. My connection with Maggie triggered my intuition when she decided to drop by, then my nervous system cued my pheromone factory to produce a scent and emit it. This was the first time this ever happened to me, but I honed on it a little to sharpen the perception over the years. Scent is HUGE.

Anyway. That's my best guess on that particular case phenomenon

Best guess?

Beyond the case here's flashes of this.. this....thiiisss......

smell is one of our Big 5 in the current body, of COURSE it has an internal aspect...just by it's very existance in nature! Beyond our little species :dull:....

The whole flowering smelling catholic dead guy saint thing.

And yes...the ability to "smell out a rat" ..or anything else that requires tracking.

These were scattered hits from other conversations along the same line, fill in the blanks...

Dragons can smell a sheep from 3 counties away ya know!


....mmmm, popcorn!


Ciao -

~D~

[Talkingfox]

Anyway, this brings me to think that scent might have an aura. And if it does it opens up a whole new line of questions.


For me it's the inverse....

[deviadah]

That is very interesting Dragon... would you call it a Synchronicity?

TalkingFox: Inverse, how do you mean?

[Kuroyagi]

Im also much of a scent person. I often check by the smell if fruits are good eg have enough "vitamins" in them before buying...most incenses that are sold in esoteric shops are very bad/low quality, best thing is to use good perfumes (highest concentration extracts or eau de parfume) or buy stuff like frankincense from the catholic affiliated churchshops...yeah true, also in literature this is also a prominent theme: esp. in Marcel Proust "time/memory and smell" or the novel Das Parfum by Patrick Süßkind....having said all that I havent experimented with oilfactory sense and this abra system yet...

[Naomi]

Yeah I've been carrying a dried lime in my purse just to smell it because my senses are so vast now. Incredibly delicious, like I don't even feel hungry after I smell it. The drying brings out the oils in the skin. In fact just now I am sitting here smelling this thing that looks like a lump of dried lizard skin and I probably look like a freak because I'm really happy about it.

I posted this the other day in the trance section so if the mods would like to delete that thread I am reposting it here. What am I, chopped liver?

Ok here's a weird thing I've been experiencing in trance. I've slowly been reinserting back into Maya, which is a wholly unpleasant experience, your higher self gets to meet your lower self and have a huge catfight.

So the thing i've noticed is the scent of roses during the period where I was way way way high up there. Just at random times, especially when I was really foxused on doing work with the universal rotation meditation.

Roses havn't been in bloom during these times (I know, I keep two varieties, both wild and domestic) and sometimes it has occurred indoors.

The morning I took the photos in the dirt, I was invocating Mars, and had been for a number of days, but it was getting really heavy that day - I even got weirdly patriotic and territorial allover OF which is hilarious. I also started doing some sigil work to reshape the Eagle on the US dollar bill into the conquering phoenix of Mars.

So after I had finished taking photos in the construction site next door, I stood up and looked up into the sky and felt the connection between our planet and Mars really strong and just then I smelled a really really strong scent of jasmine flowers for about 10 seconds then it dissapeared. But again jasmine only blooms in spring here, and I have about three varieties of it so I know what I'm talking about.

I think roses are associated with lunar energy because that guy in Sailor Moon always has roses with him. I think jasmine might be associated with Mars then, or valkyries. I'm not sure though. I've never had this happen before except with Goetia, and then I smelled ash or sulphur. Sometimes ozone.

[deviadah]

A couple of years ago I stopped using perfume all together. Natural odour is the best way - and since I don't drink alcohol, my skin smells like a baby!

:yes:

[Talkingfox]

TalkingFox: Inverse, how do you mean?

I meant that in my world auras have a scent rather than scents having auras

[deviadah]

:bowdown:

[Talkingfox]

:bowdown:


yeah right....

Actually it's how I'm wired rather than an 'ability' per say. My brain processes various different kinds of input with an associated smell/taste

Synesthesia is not all that uncommon an anomaly , just means it's something that I have to keep in mind.

[Naomi]

Which translates as:

Beware the fox maiden who is modest about her kunoichi powers of perception.

[deviadah]

I wasn't being sarcastic by the way... realized now it might have been perceived as that. Just thought the idea was very good.

[Talkingfox]

I wasn't being sarcastic by the way... realized now it might have been perceived as that. Just thought the idea was very good.



Didn't think you were deviadah...:). Just a need to clarify my own experiences as neurology rather than anything else.

But that opens up a whole other can o' worms as far as brain functioning.

People are often asked if they dream in color (I do), but does one experience odors at all (again I do I can't help it :o_O:). I've asked many people about that and gotten mixed responses.

And how about in dealing in the astral?

If the brain is perceiving an odor where there is no particulate matter what does this portent?

[deviadah]

Check this out from External Chemical Messengers by Harry Wiener:
"The pineal gland is now known to receive two main types of input, photic and olfactory... it [pineal gland] receives senses from the retina... next, there is input from the area which was known as the rhinencephalon, the smell brain, and which now in the United States goes by the name of the limbic system or visceral brain..."

Third eye... more Third Nose!

[m1thr0s]

One of the things that gets missed in a big way with the Abrahadabra/Mutational Alchemy system is that it's all about the physical. People who insist upon (or may otherwise be choking on) the mental aspects aren't getting it at all. This whole system is about action and physicality in action. Most tantric systems are, but until you've trained in the actions a bit you won't really understand this.

So the senses get very much involved at the level of action. So long as you are just crunching the numbers/concepts this won't really seem to apply but all technical operations are going to have their intellectual aspects...this all goes to the notion of "right thinking" which is always an integral part of "right action". This is most directly parallel to sports or dance or martial arts disciplines in general.

It's in the actual raising of energy itself that the senses cut loose and begin to take on new dimensions. All the senses are involves in this, including smell...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Which is what makes the system so profound and impossible to ignore. Well, if you're an occultist.

[m1thr0s]

The funny thing is that people very often don't get it that I would have most expected would. I can only imagine that this means I have a lot of work to do to make it all more natuarally accessible to folks. But what is especially bizarre is that it seems as though when the lights do finally come on, they tend to come on all at once! And then all of a sudden all this stuff I have been going on and on about makes perfect sense. Several people have commented on this before. I'm not entirely sure what can be done about it.

I think that to a large extent we are dealing with a lost memory in the western mindset...the whole tantric thing is hardly there at all for most westerners. Tantric Weaving itself is just a very foreign sort of construct for many people as near as I can tell...

stranger than fiction as they say...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Possibly because when you get a taste of it you never want it to stop so one may begin pushing very hard to prevent it from stopping. It's a precise mind arrangement that triggers the flow of the heavens.

For people like me who have been trying to get this stuff moving without any pauses, it's very cool. I havn't even been pushing the limits yet. (hee hee)

(when I first came here) I really wasn't clear on exactly what you were uhh...promoting here m1thr0s. It seemed to me like a bunch of Thelemites (yeah, sorry) talking about numbers and weird words again. The only clue I had to the darker stuff was some of the strange posts you made on occultforums a number of years ago, which, I wasn't sure you were really serious about or just joking.

I hate sitting around theorizing - one of my old goals was bringing the Goetia into physical visibility (including the scent - brimstone usually) to people with absolutely no occult ability. Volunteers are difficult to come by. I've abandoned that project. But anyways...

I didn't know you had built a whole system to really...I mean REALLY mutate people into a new species of human...maybe you need to be a little more direct. I'm very cautious now surrounding the whole mutational alchemy game - if I had realized in plain english what the system was going to do for me maybe I would have jumped on it sooner.

Of course, you can barely just come out and say the bottomline possibilities without all of the losers coming out of the woodwork demanding proof of such results which take years of dedication and hardnosed practice to achieve, let alone define.

I recall with some interest when I was sitting in the car last week with my friend, there was a volcanic rock on the seat - we have a rather cluttered backseat for two small reasons. I had the conscious willful urge to put it in my mouth, which I did - It tasted terrible, perhaps because of the iron and sulphur content but great at the same time. I held it there for a few moments and then spit it out. I did feel something alter and shift in my mind as I did that and I thought of Mars, the red substance Franz Bardon mentions as the true philosophers stone manifesting in the triangle, and lava. I don't know what it means, I'm just demonstrating an example of spontaneous tantra in action in everyday life. The way it could be for any student.

Sensory perception is through the roof after ignition, it's like being fully immersed in the best video game you've ever played in your life. It never really stops either.

Purely mental magic is a thing of the past. Talk about broken towers.

All is mind.

"You don't have to do anything with your mind,
just let it naturally rest in it's essential nature.
Your own mind, unagitated, is reality.
Meditate on this without distraction.

Know the Truth beyond all opposites.
Thoughts are like bubbles that form and dissolve in clear water.
Thoughts are not distinct from the absolute Reality,
so relax, there is no need to be critical.

Whatever arises, whatever occurs,
simply don't cling to it, but immediately let it go.
What you see, hear, and touch are your own mind.
There is nothing but mind.

Mind transcends birth and death.
The essence of mind is pure Consciousness that never leaves reality,
even though it experiences the things of the senses.
In the equanimity of the Absolute, there is nothing to renounce or attain."

- Niguma

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Right, that's it. I'm going to spend next week reading up on all this mutational alchemy until I get it.
To be fair though, I have tried reading what you've written, but there's a whole lot of difference between reading it in print and reading it onscreen, both visually and (probably) psychologically. But hey, I have a printer, so that's not an obstacle.

[Naomi]

If I was there next to you in the room I'd be like shrieking "OH MY GODdddd!" and then maybe I'd clap my hands.

Don't forget to stare at the mirrors...

[m1thr0s]

Infant Universes. And they just don't know...no metaphors in all the languages ever devised combined hold a candle to the literal potentials they are heir to. Godhead is just a pit-stop in route to their unfolding.

It's imagination itself Naomi...it just won't stretch out quite enough to make the connection and it's got to godamm stretch boy or they'll never ever get it...until finally...in some other incarnation...they finally do.

There is no other where to go but right here, right now, I've got to somehow stick a bone up their asses that they will never ever quite be able to dislodge.

It's the only thing to be done...little by little the lights come on...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

"Imagination is more important than knowledge!" - Einstein
:sunny:

[Naomi]

Cool I hate systems with limits.

[Naomi]

You know, Ningishzidda occasionally shows up accompanied by the scent of fresh pizza. It smells really great! I can only imagine he does this as a sort of joke - you won't find "the scent of pizza" in any serious new age book or ancient grimoires. Not to forget to mention the fact that they also resemble the wheel of karmic returns - or Bauhaus "This is your slice of life!"

Eesh, I'm hungry now. I'll have to get some greek pizza.

Anyways does anyone else smell pizza when they evoke Ningishizidda? It's only happened three times now.

TMNT

[MythMath]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/ChristianBauer_flowering_oregano.jpg/240px-ChristianBauer_flowering_oregano.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregano

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curandera

[Naomi]

Ohhh look at that. Well maybe it is Quetzelcoatl then.

[deviadah]

Thought I'd throw this in here:

History of Essential Oils (http://crucible.org/oils_history.htm) by Dennis W. Hauck:
"The ancient Egyptians believed that the sense of smell and ability to detect odours was the most important of our sensory abilities. They considered the sense of smell far more important than sight or even the ability to think. That was because they knew the importance of odours to increase our intrinsic 'frequency' and transform us."

[Talkingfox]

In the spirit of smell magicks, a recipe for a very nice and somewhat trancey Samhain Incense.


1 part Calendula
1 /2 part Frankincense
1 /2 part Galangal
1 /2 part Catnip
1 /2 part Mugwort
1 /2 part Yarrow Flowers
1 /4 part Clove
1/4 part poppy seed



Grind each item individually and mix together afterwords. One could substitute clove oil for the ground clove, but it will burn off rather quickly as more as a top note than as a secondary harmony. I prefer the ground bud myself.

I usually make up loads when I do make this as it gets better and becomes a more cohesive scent as it ages.

[deviadah]

I know I can get hold of those ingredients, but the fact that I live in a City makes it more difficult somehow. I got to move back to nature. I've lost my sense of smell... and in the City that is a good thing I guess. But for my spirit it is bad!

[deviadah]

I watched the film Perfume a while back:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/6/69/Perfume_poster.jpg/200px-Perfume_poster.jpg

It got me thinking about this thread again, and about the power of scent. I was also talking about this with a friend of mine, and we got into VITRIOL and how each part alchemical process can be tied in with a color and note. It would then of course be natural that it should also have a scent and a taste.

Although this thread is about scent, and I don't want to go too much Off Topic here in regards to taste, but what would the Body of Light - for instance - smell or taste like?

That is if such a state is part of such trivial experiences!

I am only throwing out the notion...

Can NIRVANA satisfy ones nose and tongue?

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

dev.
I LOVED that movie! Absolutely brilliant. As far as Body of Light having scent or taste.....I am recollected to my experiences with LSD and the fact that it had a certain alkaline taste to it. That's how we knew it was good by how much alkaline "twitch" we had as it first touched our tongue. I'm with you that scent and light could be theorized.

[Anibis]

Crowley talked about an alphabet of Smells in the Vision and the Voice (Liber 418). That book was almost the most fucked up thing I've ever read... trippy.
-Anibis

[deviadah]

Nice Anibis... I found it on the web:

Smells in the Vision and the Voice (Liber 418) (http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/l418/418.html)

I only glanced at it and you seem to be right that it is trippy... might take serious study to get to the bottom of it.

Catalytic Subterfuge: Never tried LSD, but interesting observation!

:cool:

[fr.novumorganum]

all the newer psycho-active substances have specific metalic tastes to them. often the only way to tell the difference betwen 2cb, 2ci dob doc etc is by the taste (at least until the trip starts)

[Naomi]

I smelled alcohol just now, really distinctly. Definately like a wine smell or something, I was viewing some Type O Negative videos on YouTube and picked up on it really strong.

That was cool. I only drink when it's foisted on me (I like the taste, not what it does to my mind) so there was no open alcohol around of course.

Maybe a lot of people get drunk listening to Type O Negative, idk wot...

Note: I tried smelling it again and got strawberries...my brain is really playing tricks on me today.

[deviadah]

For the Father is sweet, and in his will is what is good. He has taken cognizance of the things that are yours, that you might find rest in them. For by the fruits does one take cognizance of the things that are yours, because the children of the Father are his fragrance, for they are from the grace of his countenance. For this reason, the Father loves his fragrance, and manifests it in every place. And if it mixes with matter, he gives his fragrance to the light, and in his repose, he causes it to surpass every form (and) every sound. For it is not the ears that smell the fragrance, but (it is) the breath that has the sense of smell and attracts the fragrance to itself, and is submerged in the fragrance of the Father, so that he thus shelters it, and takes it to the place where it came from, from the first fragrance, which is grown cold. It is something in a psychic form, being like cold water which has frozen (?), which is on earth that is not solid, of which those who see it think it is earth; afterwards, it dissolves again. If a breath draws it, it gets hot. The fragrances, therefore, that are cold are from the division. For this reason, faith came; it dissolved the division, and it brought the warm pleroma of love, in order that the cold should not come again, but (that) there should be the unity of perfect thought. - source (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/gostruth.html)

For the Father is sweet and his will is good. He knows the things that are yours, so that you may rest yourselves in them. For by the fruits one knows the things that are yours, that they are the children of the Father, and one knows his aroma, that you originate from the grace of his countenance. For this reason, the Father loved his aroma; and it manifests itself in every place; and when it is mixed with matter, he gives his aroma to the light; and into his rest he causes it to ascend in every form and in every sound. For there are no nostrils which smell the aroma, but it is the Spirit which possesses the sense of smell and it draws it for itself to itself and sinks into the aroma of the Father. He is, indeed, the place for it, and he takes it to the place from which it has come, in the first aroma which is cold. It is something in a psychic form, resembling cold water which is [...] since it is in soil which is not hard, of which those who see it think, It is earth. Afterwards, it becomes soft again. If a breath is taken, it is usually hot. The cold aromas, then, are from the division. For this reason, God came and destroyed the division and he brought the hot Pleroma of love, so that the cold may not return, but the unity of the Perfect Thought prevail. - source (http://www.gnosis.org/naghamm/got.html)

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