External Mutational Alchemy

[Anibis]

Okay, so, as we all know there is usually an internal and an external division in alchemy. M1thr0s, you once alluded to me that you would like to have a laboratory. SO, the question is, what external applications does this alchemy have? In terms of employing scientific gear and such, what would a lab need to be outfitted with Tech-wise? I wonder if this to genetic engineering, what conventional alchemy was to chemistry? Anyhow, it just occured to me that it might be an interesting line of inquiry...
-Ibisis-

[m1thr0s]

This is one of my own most persistent personal questions Ibisis! Thanks for bringing it up. Any time we are dealing with a real physics of any kind, there are bound to be external applications as well as internal ones. The I Ching is a base 8 binary mathematics that already has its most apparent applications in computer technology and genetics, but we know from its own history that it had a major impact in China, influencing the development of Yin-Yang Medicine in particular, but also extending to many other things including economics, architecture and physical sciences to name a few. China itself was structured around the Lo Shu with the capital at center surrounded by eight powerful states etc.

On the ternary side we have a more complex numerology that found expression in Pythagorean mathematics in particular. The Pythagoreans regarded 729 as the number of the Sun, it was called the number of the Republic and was a venerated number and principle from a range of angles and seems to have special applications to time and physics on diverse levels. We already know that it makes an excellent calendar system tracking the 365 day year and capable of adjusting for the ¼ day remainder as well. I think we are only just beginning to get a glimpse as to all the ways this mathematics can be employed externally.

So I guess my short answer is that I don't yet know the answer but I think that if we scrutinize it very closely we would begin to see its footprints all over the place and be able to predict its future applications more clearly as well. This question intrigues me constantly since the second half of the Hermetic phrase *As Above - So Below* reads *As Within - So Without*...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

This question intrigues me constantly since the second half of the Hermetic phrase *As Above - So Below* reads *As Within - So Without*...Well, concerning the "As Within - So Without" part of the Hermetic phrase, personally, Mutational Alchemical principles have by far improved manifestational results of basic applied telekinetics for me. I have been using and expanding on a slightly similar model myself for the past few years (based on the basic principles portrayed by the connection between Binary and Ternary Universe portrayal, as depicted by my current avatar) however the difference was quite readily perceptible after making a few tweakings in accord with the Abrahadabra glyphs. My point being that, as I have observed, Mutational Alchemy's principles applied readily expand one's manifestational potential and are indeed a very firm and internally coherent and solid set of assumptions, making them a great asset in practically bringing something into the "external" in very real and direct terms if so desiring...

(This perhaps was not very fitting in this discussion as it was concerning appropriate scientific and laboratory gear, but I felt that it was a valid external application of Mutational Alchemy)

Kain

[m1thr0s]

I'm moving this to the Mutational Alchemy forum as I think it has more to do with Mutational Alchemy than science per se...though I admit that to me personally there is no significant difference...

Others will find this confusing though I think...

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Also...I think it may be useful to explore things from personal experience that may as yet lack any specific scientific explanantions but probably do have some sort of scientific applications. For many years I did not attempt to teach anybody anything (in classical Hermetic tradition) but rather contented myself with working on myself and that was about it. One year I happenned to run into somebody that was having some very severe problems with what seemed to be attacks coming from the ethereal plane which were getting pretty bad and involved bitings and scratchings and the whole nine yards.

I can't remember clearly now but I believe someone may have recommended this person talk to me about this. I was hesitant to deal with something like that but since time was of the essence considered it could do no harm to teach this person a few basics of psychic self defense. Unfortunately, nothing seemed to work. Pentagrams and circles got laughed at and even heavier stuff was being blown off without a care and the attacks continued. I knew that Abrahadabra wouldn't stand for any of this crap and especially the TwinStar but it was my own personal system and I did not wish to push it on anybody. Nevertheless it is easy enough to learn so rather than lose my *patient* I tutored her for several weeks in the basic meditation practise until I could determine she was doing it correctly.

When the time seemed right we were to run a short series of power-sessions that I will not go into here...it's just a way of stepping up the power. I anticipated it might take upwards to a dozen of these before our work was through but instead something quite unexpected happened. The TwinStar launched the most amazing counter-offensive I have ever witnessed and within a period of a single night, literally millions of classes of *entities* had been meticulously packed up and relocated...to where I do not know but they never returned and she has never had this kind of problem again.

I have no idea what it means exactly...and yet I do. I estimate this person's intelligence to be near genius or genius despite her condition and I think that on some level she was able to see through the veneer of lesser methods that were too ambiguous and ultimately too non-sensical to work for her. With the methods outlined via mutational alchemy she was able to bring her whole intellect to bear against the problem and thus it provided her with exactly the tool she needed to turn things around. I can't help wondering how true this might be for others and how many kinds of afflictions might also be addressable in this kind of way. If I had to guess, I would guess that the possibilities here know no actual limits.

Perhaps this still qualifies as an internal working but if you can hand somebody a tool to solve a problem which is not problem of your own, and they can take this tool and effectively solve their own problem...is it really still an internal working? I am not so convinced that it is...there are certain physics at work here that will work for nearly anyone under all kinds of situations, so whether we are dealing with psychological parameters or something other than this the tools themselves are not especially governed according to personal interpretation alone.

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

M1thr0s, don't make me re-open a thread on the Technology of 'external alchemy' in the sci and tech forums! heh heh. I do wish to know if we can do this in a laboratory, and what such a thing would look like.
I would like to add another voice to the the list of those who have found these techniques to be of exceptional benefit to them. Essentially, like I imagine most other who have encountered this would, I have incorporated certain aspects of it into a pre-existing set of practices, with the particular benefit of learning how to be apply a high level of consistency to my work. It has helped seal it 'hermetically' so to speak. It allows for the construction of very clear channels of manifestation which are excercised through a kind of 'metaphysical muscle'. The will becomes a definite faculty which can be employed discretely to manifest certain sorts of things (without the necessity of fancy ritual). Basically, I find I just need to choose to manifest something, and allocate energy to that, and my personal field does the rest, to the degree that it is 'in shape' to do so (hence the need for practice). That being said, one needs to have the wisdom to know whether a given choice is a good one, and be aware of what resistances, oppositions might exist. One can move mountains with this technology, though, if you work up to it.
-Ibisis-

[m1thr0s]

Sorry Ibisis, but under its specific title it really belongs here. The term *mutational alchemy* is not in the public domain..at least not yet, and one of the worst things you can do to establish something's scientific validity is to promote it as science before it has been established as science. So I am a little protective of the term itself and how it gets positioned.

Feel free to start another thread if this one is not going where you intended...I am not sure from your post if that is what you are saying or not...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

Yeah, no prob. I'm just haranguing you, though, you thread hijacker... I wish text was a better medium to transmit well meaning jibes. Maybe we should change this thread to 'internal and external applications of mutational alchemy', and I'll start another one in the Sci and Tech forum for 'Alchemy in the Laboratory'...
-Ibisis

[m1thr0s]

Lol...no no...I didn't take any offense to anything at all...just playing mother hen you know...hehe...

I think the title is fine as-is...though coversation may run both ways...I'm not that anal if it does...

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

It might be that Mutational Alchemy just does not have a laboratory application, being such that it requires open ended rather than artifical systems in order to be properly elaborated. Then again, I doubt that. I supsect there is a real kinship to genetics (as I mentioned before), and possible even more so to memetics. In the case of the former, a classic 'lab' and it's accoutrements would be necessary, but in the case of the latter, well, It seems like these forums themselves fit make a nice little research space, no?. Right-O;
-Ibisis-

[m1thr0s]

I think the raw physics of the thing implies that it does have plenty of real matter/energy applications but I have mainly been focused on its inner alchemical properties which are demanding enough to consume several fairly long lifetimes I fear. Between that and learning enough about computers to be able to present it in this sort of way, I have had my hands pretty well full.

I think that when I think in terms of laboratory work, my mind gravitates to the mysteries of trance itself and probably my first line of experimentation would be with sound and light manipulations that could facilitate accelerated progress within the fields themselves...something I have yet to get into because it has to all be set up just right to be understood.

That's just me and where my priorities happen to lie, but I suspect there is a lot more going on here as well. There seems to be a special relationship between the Golden Mean and the Abrahadabra Grid as well that I still need to examine in greater detail...

Take a look at this for instance...

http://abrahadabra.com/images/goldenspiral.jpg

Looks supiciously familiar to me...I haven't had a chance to really tear it apart yet though and this is the best image I have been able to find so I will have to reconstruct it from scratch...

Anyway...I am sure there are many things out there I haven't even begun to connect yet. I just don't know what they all are...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

...what external applications does this alchemy have?

This question intrigues me constantly since the second half of the Hermetic phrase *As Above - So Below* reads *As Within - So Without*...

Would it be wrong to nominate Quantum Mechanics, or should I go to bed (6 a.m. here)?

Anyway it is just a thought...

[m1thr0s]

lol...not really wrong from my perspective but it would probably confuse a lot of other people I think...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

Nice... with that go ahead I will jump into this and try and get something not-confusing into a post!

Although QM is a head-fuck I must admit!

:rofl:

[Anibis]

I feel like genetics is very important here. Maybe quantum genetics? Also it occured to me that their might be a way of using ones body as a laboratory to incubate custom viruses which would splice specific bits of code into the DNA of organisms 'infected' by it. These virii need not be malevolent at all: they could provide immunities or even heal dammaged code.
-Anibis

[deviadah]

Artificiall replacements of Telomeres (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telomere) perhaps?

This could be a possible clue to a genetic Elixir of Life!

They've done it on mice and prolonged their lives. Not directly healing, but if aging is a natural disease then it is a healing of sorts!

[deviadah]

Quantum Philosophy Theories (http://www.qpt.org.uk/)

This site contains some essays on various aspects of Quantumism!

Some excerpts:
Quantum Holism and the Philosophy of Mind (http://www.qpt.org.uk/articolo.php?id_articolo=31&id=8&id2=30) by Prof.M. Esfeld
Towards a Neo-Copenhagen Interpretation (http://www.qpt.org.uk/articolo.php?id_articolo=22&id=3&id2=54) by Prof.W.M.de Muynck

Enjoy!

[MythMath]

Take a look at this for instance...

http://abrahadabra.com/images/goldenspiral.jpg

Looks supiciously familiar to me...

I haven't had a chance to really tear it apart yet though and this is the best
image I have been able to find so I will have to reconstruct it from scratch...

m1thr0s


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/polargraphspiralscopy.jpg

[m1thr0s]

ahhh...thank you for cleaning that one up MM...couldn't find a good copy anywhere...now we have one!

this one is very potent...I'll need to gawk at it for awhile...

m1

[Naomi]

This reminds me of a diagram I produced from a week long bender scrying the internet through the tree fields mirror. Shortly after getting sucked off into some unknown dimension of mind with fabulous results I ended up with this in my channeled items folder:

http://la.gg/thmb/Untitled-1_48.jpg
http://la.gg/v/Untitled-1_48.jpg

Until now I didn't get any meaning from it except that it looked fancy and it had a very strong pull, and something compelled me to put it away for a while. Now I think this may be the relationship, but god, I don't know if it makes any sense to me even now.

The one thing the system will relate to you is the urgency of the cause. The Earth is at a dead end and if you look at the natural scheme of things right now, there simply isn't any time for mulling over stupid memes or banal crap. I cannot give time to a Siamese cat breeding program or anything so frivolous (not that I'm into Siamese cats, it's just an example) I won't ever own the Porsche of my dreams, there isn't time for that. Once you realize this, becoming aware now as the creature out of the egg, you are not secure and warm anymore in your own assumptions that everything will be alright. You begin taking responsibility for not only your life and actions, but for great sacrifices made in order to create a better reality, which is not without its own rewards - by simple intercourse with the universe I cannot afford to simply sit around on my laurels waiting for someone else to take up the cause - they will, but at what cost to me and my future?

Once achieving realization you simply have to throw yourself into the work without thought of recompense on an earthly level. What the structure of mutational alchemy allows is a full awareness of what needs to be done, when and where - exactly. And the full support of countless doggoned archetypes under the manipulation of this greater binary system. Siva - Kali, Vishnu, Durga, Ningishzidda, and countless other huge systems of mind controlling massive kingdoms are under the thrall of this binary language. I have never seen anything like it before. It's like switching from a jackass to a spaceship that can orbit whole galaxies.

Once the connection is made to the external one ceases to be different from symbol and rock, animal or asteroid - they simply become other people. Just like we believe in native america. So it's about connecting to a higher level of consciousness for one, and a relationship to a greater family of relatives, not just our own human race. Most occultists have already bridged the gap between human and fellow human, and man and dog at the most basic levels of human society, even some as magnanimous as to include wolves as brother, but very few feel kinship with say, a hydrogen atom.

The system runs under all of this as well. It grabs you and becomes such a part of you to live without it you would actually die a little bit. I couldn't bear to be removed from the mirrors for very long, it just feels so damned good, and I'm so in control with them. It really changed my life. So yeah "external alchemy" is more like emerging from the egg than anything, thoughts echo in my mind clearly with no distractions.

The chemical compounds taken as little stars themselves constitute a miniaturized universe of spheres all within the human body, reflecting in their stature as they are able, the entire universe itself, taken from Tibetan methodology and their tantric assurances.

We've only just scratched the surface with this system which is a pity because it really looks like we've run out of time. I shouldn't be here.

[Naomi]

Oh weird, well at the right side you can see the three spheres, also repeated in many Tibetan thangkas and the Mark of the Beast sigil...as well as some of my more far out trance sessions involving rock painting and so forth...