An Inconvenient Truth (Documentary)

[m1thr0s]

Watch it here: An Inconvenient Truth (2006) (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/listings/9/6067)

I'd be interested in discussing this with people here. I think this documentary is pretty clear. One way or another we have done irreversible damage to the planet and are now looking at the difference of facing those consequences sooner or later...but the consequences are going to happen regardless.

I have no faith that this can be turned around but I also don't want to act on that premise. I am curious how people into occultism see this whole thing. I know that for myself I have since I was just a kid been operating on the assumption that the world was on the edge of global suicide whether through pollutions or war or corporate greed etc. Much of my own work on the Body of Light etc has been motivated from a sense of impending disaster...not that I have ever been a fatalist per se...I think maybe things have progressed way beyond that stage. I think that a fatalistic outlook of where the world is headed is no longer fatalistic but realistic.

How do we deal with something like this? How do we not get involved in this and not wind up being part of the problem?

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

I also was quite pessimistic for a long time but thinking about it I revised that view a bit. I think the species (homo sapiens) is tougher than one would think. If you look at Czernobyl where there are still ppl (mostly old ones) living there, or the vicinty of Nagasaki where many ppl survived with terrible diseases it neednt be that we extinct ourselves at all. Also think that all thats required is that ppl will live for about 20 year or even less no more and still would be able to reproduce, since they are able to conceive children from what? 13years of age or something. So if theres no global catastrophe from outer space like a meteor impact then we have a better chance than many may think...hmm...the only thing that could really extinct us is not global warming- cause we can stand higher temperatures still, but if some kind of global freezing (clouding of the sun etc.) will happen, be it as a consequence of a meteor or the rebound from global warming...yeah and of course if the atmosphere is gone we stand no chance, yet if technique and science make further progress we could edge out our lifes in caves underground, green house domes etc using "space" technology..so that we would use it not for space travel at all but in order to survive on the surface of a dead earth...

just some random thoughts, lets see if I find time to watch that docu since its pretty long...thanks, this topic makes me think...

p.s. of course our species is feeble if compared to some kinds of insects or scorpios that can tolerate 200 times more nuclear radiation than humans..pretty tough...

[m1thr0s]

This documentary ( Last Days On Earth (2006) (http://www.tv-links.co.uk/listings/9/5991) ) ranks global warning as our most impending extinction threat at this time...just ahead of biological terrorism which ranks so high primarily because it is a technology available to millions of (unstable) people through internet and public information sources and spreads all by itself once unleashed.

I have always believed that one of the real problems going on here is that too many people secretly (or openly) believe that global holocaust of one kind or another is a necessary precursor to their own spiritual awakenings/salvations. If you believe this, even secretly, then you really have no personal motivation to do anything to oppose that kind of circumstances.

and what if you're wrong? what if there is no pie-in-the-sky and no Jebus to bail your ass out at the last possible minute? what if human beings carve out their own destinies for better or for worse? In such a case time is essential...having as much time as nature can afford you is a key ingredient in your overall success.

The Yogas emphasize ethical living as a necessary precursor to enlightenment and not for any floofy altruistic reasons so much as practical energy considerations. Personal inauthenticities that we can get away with at 5 lousy watts are a whole other matter at 50,000 watts, in essence, where these little "fetches" of mind suddenly become full-blown chasms in consciousness. So I think there is a huge trap involved in thinking that man-made global disasters have some sort of hidden silver lining. All they really do is rob us of time and make the time remaining to us practically unusable.

not that this tells us what can be done...probably very little on any kind of global scale, but we can at least try to think in terms of being more cognizant not to engage in conveniences that actually perpetuate the crisis I think...and these will almost always come in the form of short-term gains...like the car you picked up for $100 that leaks like a sponge and only gets 15-20 mpg running in top condition etc...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

Greenpeace has just released a report that show how we can half pollution without inventing any new technology. Also there are thousand of ways we can all pitch in; and it does not take a lot of effort. Stuff like having an energy saving lightbulb, or take the train instead of an airplane if possible.


The Energy (r)Evolution (http://www.greenpeace.org/raw/content/sweden/rapporter-och-dokument/energyrevolution.pdf) - pdf

I also think North America, especially, needs to get on the recycle-wagon... in this area they are an undeveloped part of the world!

[m1thr0s]

yeah...according to Gore's report, technology is not the problem here...we have the technology to reverse all of this...or much of it...but not much time left.

Right now...at this very moment, there are several dozen engine patents being quashed by major companies on car engines that can get in excess of 100 mpg. At least one of these has been around for over 20 years. I remember the news clipping...it was in all the papers...the inventor drove from LA to Washington DC on a single tank of gas... So they bought up the patent and quashed it...

It's political will that is lacking more than anything else on this issue...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

Yes, that is also true. Here in Sweden, which is a very enviromentally happy country, we have an energy company with factories in Germany that pump out more toxic waste than the whole country (Sweden) together. This should be a great scandal, and big news, but the media is more concerned with the Queens new hat.

And people think I am psycho becuase I want her head chopped off?

I ask: who is the real psycho?

Also: there is also another aspect and that is the probable fact that a new ice age is indeed coming!

[deviadah]

Got an idea: perhaps we humans are not the true keepers of Earth (look how we kept it). What if we are just what the dinosaurs were, a species necessary for the next race that will finally, and eternally, dominate this world. A race that combines the physical power of the dinosaurs with the mental power of the human; some sort of DinoMan!

And I am not trying to be funny...

New film: The 11th Hour

[m1thr0s]

well...I'm a transhumanist so you'll get very little argument from me about that save that I think the link has to move way ahead...not way behind...so Starmen would be my bet...you'll need an animal capable of channeling a lot more energy to begin with on this one.

the problem of course is that it still takes time to pull that off and this situation puts us flat out of time. It's a lot worse than people generally think it is and I'm not just reacting to Gore's information alone but have been scouring the data on it from all over the place. We're not even talking 50-100 years here but decades or less, depending on the breaks. In the interim the water tables around the world are completely disrupted and war and famine will be escalating with a tremendous potential for nuclear *accidents* or non-accidents...so it all begins to look pretty damn imminent.

One cannot rely upon the fantastic but I agree it's a pattern we should be consciously looking at and tallying in however it can be tallied in...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

We're not even talking 50-100 years here but decades or less, depending on the breaks.
Which brings us to 2012!

:panicow:

[m1thr0s]

maybe...but who's actually ready for 2012...

I've been saying for over 35 years now that humankind is a transitional species, but who really listens...you can't rely on people cooperating with their own extinction...they reserve the right to do all of that themselves. The fact that they are doing it in the stupidest possible way it can be done is...well...typical.

I can only hope that it is so typical in fact that it has somehow already been hardwired into the equation by nature itself.

m1thr0s

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

Remember this topic?

http://www.mayanmajix.com/

[m1thr0s]

I am less and less enamored with fantasies as I get older I guess. Maybe the Mayans knew what they were about...maybe the calender just ran out of space so they ended it there...who the fuck really knows...nobody I think.

I've seen a lot of this crap in my life...the last time the planets were all in alignment everybody went apeshit about the cosmic significance and all the cosmic power and so on...the day came and went like every other day and the only thing that really happened was that the pollution levels continued their steady ascent.

After awhile it all gets to be really dumb and boring to tell you the truth. All the Mayans divination skills didn't equip them with the ability to see through Cortez and his band of disease infested monkeys, so I can't help thinking they probably didn't see the end of time all that clearly either. We would like this to be the case. We would like to think that somebody had their shit together at some time somewhere, but I don't know that wanting and getting have ever been the same thing...

The global warming thing is real...it's going to require a real solution or we will simply be paying a real price in spades...it's extremely likely that this will happen in any case, no matter what. Too may people are locked into these fantasy projections...some miraculous solution that will somehow spring up from noplace etc...

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

the last time the planets were all in alignment everybody went apeshit about the cosmic significance and all the cosmic power and so on...the day came and went like every other day

I remember that one. Quite an amusing event. All my Buddhist neighbours were expecting some form of mass illumination. :laugh:

[deviadah]

Perhaps judgement day is the fact that nothing will happen. We will all keep up this life for eternity... sleep, eat, shit, work, fuck, sleep...

Some never-ending cycle without ever reaching any sort of step forward (apart from the select few).

I think pollution will seriously fuck us up, but the human race is like coachroaches... we'll survive it I am sure... this doesn't mean I feel hopefull. Perhaps we desrve to die. After all what have we accomplished?

We still have a society that is unequal, unjust and driven by lower emotions.

Personally I think there should be higher punishments for polluting the planet than those for rape and murder. Maybe if we enforce the deathpenalty on all those that do enviromental damage... I think this could sort us out! :cool:

Also I do not like the way the enviromental issues have become some sort of political/power issue. It seems like 2007 will be the year the world woke up from its enviromental sleep, but all this shit is not new... in fact it is a bit too late. The only reason there are so much talk about this stuff now is because it can't be ignored anymore, and because the Media has decided to run with it.

Another vitamin shot into the Culture of Fear!

[m1thr0s]

I remember that one. Quite an amusing event. All my Buddhist neighbours were expecting some form of mass illumination. :laugh:
lol...yup. well hell, maybe they even learned something at that but somehow I doubt it. I've never seen anything rebound as quickly as people locked into these reality-spin contraptions...they just seem to trade it out for the next available hype.

2012 might even come to pass in some way or another...but we shouldn't rely on it at all. If we happen to produce some sort of freaking Messiah at 11:30 PM December 31, 2011 and He/She manages to somehow launch a global counter-attack by the next day we can all have a big party and celebrate the event and I'm sure the Mayans will be honored guests at that time...

I wouldn't bet the damn rent on it as they say in gambling circles...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

Also I do not like the way the enviromental issues have become some sort of political/power issue.I can definitely appreciate that but I have to say that if that was the ONLY thing Gore had managed to attend to while he was president (if the election had not been stolen) it would still make him the most productive president this nation has ever had...

we'll never know of course...as it stands, the Bush team is clearly scrambling to figure out how they can throw this nation into marshal law and so extend his term indefinitely. People have been predicting this for years with him...watch out San Francisco!

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

Quite right... even Gore, if president, would probably have to follow some agenda (this kind of ties in with the conspiracy thread (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=25873#post25873) :p)...

Bill Hicks had a joke where he said that everytime a new president is elected they take him into a room and show him the assasination of JFK filmed from a different angle and ask: any questions? President: what's my agenda?

Also read that they are trying to pass a bill, or whatever it's called, to make it possible for people not born in the US to become president. This is good news for Arnold who I suspect is not the greatest enviromentalist the world has ever since, even if he re-made his Hummer to be more enviromentally safe.

Click: 50 ways to save the planet (http://www.stopglobalwarming.org/sgw_read.asp?id=121544172006)

LIGHTBULBS MATTER Switch from traditional incandescent lightbulbs to compact fluorescent lightbulbs (C.F.L.). If every American household replaced one regular lightbulb with a C.F.L., the pollution reduction would be equivalent to removing one million cars from the road. A 30-watt C.F.L. produces about as much light as an ordinary 100-watt bulb. Although the initial price is higher, C.F.L.'s can last 12 times as long. C.F.L.'s are available at most home-improvement stores and at bulbs.com.

This shit is so true... I was just over at Greenpeace and they talk about this simple little thing all the time... and so easy to do!

[m1thr0s]

even if he re-made his Hummer to be more enviromentally safe.
very funny...

traditionally, occultists have been real suckers for conspiracy stuff which is too bad in a way since it shoots their credibility straight to hell with most folks. I'm not too interested in exploring that angle since I think it doesn't take a genius to know this is all steeped in conspiratorial bullshit anyway...

what interests me is how occultists set their own goals in relation to such information. to me that's the important issue going on here. I think we need to ask ourselves if our *spiritual* objectives include that kind of thing or are entirely separate from it and if they are found to be separate...I think maybe this is not a good thing. I don't expect all magicians to be raving environmentalists necessarily but then again, why the hell not? How many godamm planets have we got here anyway?

Moreover, this is about reality orientation I think. As long as whatever you are doing at least includes this whole contingency then I think, win or lose, succeed or fail, you're probably *on the job* about as well as you can be. But a lot of us probably are not...so that's sort of why I wanted to talk about it here I guess.

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

Yes I agree... and even if all the people of an esoteric/occult nature is not, as you say, a raving enviromentalist, every little thing they can do will help.

As for New Agers, and Wicca, I feel they are, or should be anyway, enviromental in their outlook. Gaia, Earth Mother and all that...

Satanists are not really thought of as enviromental, but I think this is because they are percieved as evil by the general masses. I think a Satanic movement with a Green agenda would create more positive energy for Satanic ideas.

There is a Green Nazi Party. It actually makes it look much better... I wish it wasn't so, but great marketing can do a lot for any cause. CLICK (http://www.nazi.org/)

Spiritually I have always loved nature more than humans. This, of course, creates a hatred for any form of nature-destroying activities. Animals understand me, I talk to them as an adult (not: oh good doggie...).

As you say, we only have this planet so far, let's take care of it.

Just as a curse can spread and influence, so can a good-curse (prayer) aid the enviromental cause. The more we insert Green Thinking into the collective unconscious the better!!!

I do it all the time: Natural Born TERRA-rist!

[m1thr0s]

for many of us, some kind of special affinity for nature and the laws of nature (over the laws of Man) is what started us down the path of occultism anyway.

In my own work, as a transhumanist, a mutational alchemist, and yes, even as a satanist, reclaiming a besieged balance in microcosm has always figured prominently in my sense of priorities. Yet I eat meat and smoke and drive a car that stinks up the environment and almost all of these incongruities are due to money issues. It costs a lot to eat healthy. It costs a lot to drive a car that doesn't leak like a sieve. They've got the whole damn thing wired to force you to live in opposition to your own standards just to live at all in many cases.

Somehow those *gaps* all add up I think...I think maybe we have to deal with that as a regular matter of getting straight with ourselves. The end result probably amounts to being a lot more effective magickally as well...

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

for many of us, some kind of special affinity for nature and the laws of nature (over the laws of Man) is what started us down the path of occultism anyway.

In my own work, as a transhumanist, a mutational alchemist, and yes, even as a satanist, reclaiming a besieged balance in microcosm has always figured prominently in my sense of priorities. Yet I eat meat and smoke and drive a car that stinks up the environment and almost all of these incongruities are due to money issues. It costs a lot to eat healthy. It costs a lot to drive a car that doesn't leak like a sieve. They've got the whole damn thing wired to force you to live in opposition to your own standards just to live at all in many cases.

Somehow those *gaps* all add up I think...I think maybe we have to deal with that as a regular matter of getting straight with ourselves. The end result probably amounts to being a lot more effective magickally as well...

m1thr0s


that's a very insightful post m1thros. indeed, if we choose to, or if our workings have reformatted us so that we live more in accord with natural or eco-friendly patterns, we find ourselves in opposition to the system. I think this really speaks to why that whole "if your magick works why aren't you rich" criticism is really ad hominem crap....the working of our magick leads to a trasn-valuation of values---we have different value systems than coporate systems. We are weighed on the scales of thoth, not mammon....

[m1thr0s]

the astonishing thing in all of this fr. novum is that occult philosophy (and perhaps magickal philosophy in particular) more closely resembles tantric philosophy than it does, say, classical (or later period) vedantism in that the underscoring conviction is one of balancing heaven and earth in earth...abandoning, as it does, the notion that earth is somehow inherently a bad place that mainly needs to be escaped from. So here we are, in the thick of the Kali Yuga, believing that the uniting of Heaven & Earth is what it's all about, being nearly completely unable to realize that vision for the overwhelming onslaught of parasitic egotism in humankind itself and its irrational addiction to mindless destruction of itself and its environment...

yet still I think we know on some level that this is always how it is at this particular place in the timeline and we just have to steady our course come hell or high water...or...as the case may more accurately be...both.

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, we have a global economy but are nowhere near having a global government to manage it. It's hard to see where we can realistically go from here, human society being what it is. I would agree that as occultists we have to try in our own ways to influence society's direction on this matter, we are after all manipulators by practice. There is evidently too much reliance on an intervention by an external agent amongst New Agey types, whether that be aliens, Mother Earth or King Arthur.

[m1thr0s]

King Arthur is coming??? Oh thank gawd...what a freaking relief...

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

King Arthur is coming??? Oh thank gawd...what a freaking relief...

m1thr0s

Yes indeed. He's asleep in a deep cave somewhere. Apparently there's a sign at the cave entrance which reads: Do Not Disturb Unless Apocalyptic :D

[Kuroyagi]

Yes its difficult. All the green movements themselves are some kind of "decadent" upper crust reaction found only in the richest countries...so what can we do? Maybe as was said live environmentally conscious reduce energy output on a personal level nonetheless; cause the real power of the green movements is the creation of a consciousness for these things and the actions, as marginal as they may be in the face of worldwide pollution, those actions are still a sign and a material anchor for said awareness...its also important to be skeptical of all info and train ones intuition of what to believe and what not cause most of these global things we dont know from direct experience anymore....other than that "work on oneself"...yes not falling for any eschatological promise that comes ones way is good too, especially not to slacken ones own "training"/path for the sake of them- whether one believes them or not, but even if they are all true they are not an excuse for laziness, "god will take care of it" is a bit out etc...(one can be nicely inspired by them and use them as far as theyre worth to oneself- be it poetry or "world domination" depends on ones taste ;))

[JimmyD]

If it is indeed true that we continously create on the astral plane, and that all things must be created astraly before manifesting in the physical world, it will be a matter of actual wishful thinking that can save the planet.

Practice non ado, and all will be in order.

If you belive us to be a transitional species, you are contributing to that effect.
If you convince others of this, they will be contributing as well.

So, how do you wish to contribute?

[m1thr0s]

So, how do you wish to contribute?reasonable question but who the hell knows. I grew up in some pretty dangerous neighborhoods though and was out on the streets at 14 etc so I am aware of the fact that awareness itself is inevitably our best defense. Understanding a situation for what it is is the only sure way to take corrective action if that is what is called for. So I'm pretty sure that's where it all has to begin.

Political action per se is a wash so far as I'm concerned. It's going to boil down to the private sector to come up with a solution and even this is dubious, but politicians will still do whatever they think they must do to preserve their undeserved positions, so once enough irreversible tragedies occur and ignites the public anger, they will finally get their worthless asses into some kind of gear. In a situation like this it will probably be too late by then...this thing is moving pretty damn fast.

Action itself only really proceeds along two fronts, personal and social. On a personal level I think people need to prepare for the worst...actually assume the worst and try to act on that assumption the best way they can. It is possible to do this without becoming a fatalist. Nature itself has played a risky game with humankind and on some level this has probably been for good reason. Understanding where we actually belong in the big picture and expediting that becoming doesn't have to be a fatalistic outlook, but it may have to be a little reckless to go the necessary distance.

edit: in one sense, the collapse or impending collapse of old reality paradigms can be a tremendous boon to serious reality creationists...but you have to be pretty good at this shit...this is no pretenders league we are describing here. It's a life & death game all the way but it still holds true (in general) that the best time to unveil a better mousetrap is right in the thick of a mouse infestation...when all the old mousetraps have proven to be quite useless. this doesn't really make the one contingent upon the other so much as it is a natural circumstance of necessity that vital new datas are typically not received until there is something of an urgent requirement for them to begin with. So we don't really know what yet might be possible if we really stretch our imaginations to meet the demands confronting us...

the problem is that what we typically find is that this whole concept is seized upon the most by those least capable of managing it correctly, ie, the never-never land phoney baloneys of magic and mysticism who are only really interested in turning this principle of quantum evolutionary progression into yet another form of denial...one rooted in make-believe projections of reality rather than reality such-as-it-is... So while I mention it, I do not anticipate it can be discussed very intelligently for the most part. It's not actually much worth discussing at all but something to acknowledge and convert directly into some kind of action.

Paracelsus is a good example of an individual who seized upon this principle correctly in his own time, drawing upon the stupendous failure of contemporary medicine in the face of a devastating plague to launch a whole new way of thinking about diseases and their cures...particularly when human stupidity is the principal culprit in any calamitous situation, there is always the possibility of correcting the problem by correcting the stupidity itself. Needless to say this is rarely met with an open-armed enthusiasm but is typically harassed and hounded every step of the way.

So this is at least one approach and it revolves around isolating core *unconscious ignorances* and attempting to rectify these at their source. This happens to be something that occultists are especially trained to address. It is not terribly difficult to recognize that one of the core *stupidities* going on with human beings today is the notion that they are somehow exempt from the laws of nature, having as they do a secret alliance with *God* who designed them for the express purpose of dominating nature and rising above it both internally and externally. But if, as some believe, *there is no God but Man*, then we do not exist apart from nature, there is no such secret alliance, and we cannot possibly be positively rewarded for fouling the only nest we have got. If there is any *rising above* to be accomplished, it will have to happen in accordance to the laws of nature or not at all. It will not be enough to provide an alternative perspective. Somehow, some kind of bona fide proof will have to be devised to demonstrate the falsity of this notion in productive ways while the consequences of its inaccuracy continue to provide an escalating negative. That is ultimately the burden that reality creationists have to accept...the burden of proof itself.

m1thr0s