We're All From Another Galaxy!

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Read this (http://onyxstone.blogspot.com/2007/08/greetings-fellow-sagitarians.html). Turns out we're not from around these parts

[Ci Celli Ddu]

This also ties in with Global Warming, which in fact is happening to our entire Solar system (http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html)

[m1thr0s]

wow...there's a brain-stopper...

not sure what to make of that. I suppose since Sagittarius is the Art card (Tarot) this makes us all a bunch of renegade artists...

how surprising is that?

m1thr0s

[Ci Celli Ddu]

What with this and the Big Hole, 2007 has been a year when scientists have had to throw most of their understanding of the universe in the bin. Both incidents are about as big as discovering intelligent extraterrestrial life, something that will probably happen sooner rather than later, perhaps using some of the same technology that has made these recent discoveries.

[Kuroyagi]

The big hole is a real mystery to me. Not so the fact that our system once belonged to a smaller galaxy. This is quite normal. Basically all galaxies seem to drift apart ("expanding universe theory") but on objects close to one another "gravity" and other factors come into play and smaller galaxies will merge with larger bodies. For example our own milky way galaxy is about to integrate the smaller 2 Magellanic Clouds in the future and is itself drifting towards the larger cosmic body we belong to named the Virgo (super) Cluster. Our sun is a 3rd generation star (after Big Bang-singularity, meaning it has more heavier elements "iron", in it) and we having been formed from its matter are of course born of it.

When two galaxies merge its not like some sort of big explosion though, cause the stars are relatively small if seen in relation to their proximity...the suns of the new galaxy will be like grains of sand with kilometers of open space between them, they are attracted by the milky way (100 000 LYs across, IIRC) and its halo (300 000 LYs) where much dark matter is located and be integrated into its system.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

That galaxies merge is no mystery, I know, but nevertheless the fact that our own star system is not a native of the Milky Way nor fully integrated with it forces a lot of what we know about astronomy from an Earth based perspective to be thrown out the window, and means that scientists have to start from scratch regarding the position of our system and how it interacts with the rest of the galaxy. From the perspective of our planet it is every bit as big as discovering that there's a hole in the universe.

[Kuroyagi]

I really dont know what to answer here: should I be more scientific and ask you for sources (apart from blogs) and also concrete ways in that our system and its elemental compounds would be changed by that info or rather view it more in an occult way or even mythically..? no idea. help me out there.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I really dont know what to answer here: should I be more scientific and ask you for sources (apart from blogs) and also concrete ways in that our system and its elemental compounds would be changed by that info or rather view it more in an occult way or even mythically..? no idea. help me out there.

To be frank, I don't know what you're not getting. The links I supplied (which themselves supply more links) are really quite self-explanatory. In simple terms the Solar system is not a regular Milky Way system, as was thought, but an irregular one. It doesn't circle the galaxy in a regular way, instead it's shooting through it like a bullet at a higher speed and in an irregular orbit at an irregular angle. If you want more sources try Google.

[m1thr0s]

man it's hard to wrap your brain around that bullet scenario...

that's just plain weird...we're all a bunch of trigger-happy weirdos...lol

ever feel like you're horribly outnumbered and just don't belong?

you're right...you are...and you don't...

m1thr0s

[Lucian]

Am I the only one who is unimpressed and unconvinced of anything by this blog stuff?

Sure - that we are part of another galaxy is possible, even probable. Do I really believe any of these bloggers or scientists know what that actually means?

Of course not.

Yesterday everyone was certain we were part of the Milky Way. Today they're certain we're not, and now they are also as certain they know why, how, and what it all means to our planet, entire solar system, and beyond?

I think not.

An interesting article though. Fun.

[m1thr0s]

well that's an interesting question. I hadn't taken the time to confirm with any real science sites on this. Is any of this stuff actually confirmed or are we really just looking at a few isolated blogs?

In general I am rarely 100% convinced of anything...even things I have every good reason to know are true. I'm mainly interested in the aesthetics of all of this right now. All kinds of questions might be impacted by this including evolutionary issues and planetary "seeding" and others...so it's more intriguing than the usual blog stuff I think.

a little confirmation would be a good thing though.

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

I understand what K is getting at. The info gives us a new cosmology, but does it fundamentally change anything empirically about our being, or make up etc. etc.

Likewise, I haven't found any luck finding this in scholarly sources, although I admit I only spent about 10 minutes in my uni's database.

What worries me about the nature of these claims is that section about global warming... indeed, temperatures have been seen to rise on virtually all the planets in our system. This seems quite apart from any local phenomenon like greenhouse gases etc. . I've never seen these claims anywhere else, and I wonder if this isn't some conservative/business alliance floating another 'hey global warming has nothing to do with carbon emissions' trial balloon.

[m1thr0s]

I've never seen these claims anywhere else, and I wonder if this isn't some conservative/business alliance floating another 'hey global warming has nothing to do with carbon emissions' trial balloon.no shit...very bizarre assertion...especially in the face of all the carbon emissions data we have on file...it's not like there is really any question what the local culprit is...we're all choking to fucking death on it...

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

yeah I fact checked some of the data and web sites...the first is part of a conservative blogroll, and the second, well lets just say it's an interesting read, but not much more than that. Viewzone (http://viewzone.com/VIEW.ZONE.html)

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I hate it when this kind of thing happens (http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1296&category=Science). Ah well, we've still got that hole...

[Ci Celli Ddu]

However, the bit about the bullet (http://abc.net.au/science/news/stories/2007/1942665.htm) would seem to be true

[Ci Celli Ddu]

...mind you, Earthfiles.com may debunk the Sagittarius story, but she also has a penchant for little grey men from Zeta Reticuli (http://www.earthfiles.com/headlines.php?category=Real+X-Files), which I find dubious...apparently only subscribers can read whatever these "military insiders" have to say about them, though one free "quote" goes like this:
We now know that some Tibetan scrolls written in ancient Sanskrit
were actually written by Ebens and those scrolls seem to be made of
something that never ages.”

Here's another:

“I think the Ebens can travel in and out of time any way they want to.
I think that's why they know the future, what's going to happen.
And I think they even know how to tinker around with
time lines to change things.”

Quoting this stuff on a site that claims to discuss serious science Kind of undermines her ability to debunk others in my view

[Kuroyagi]

Both of those pages may be a bit doubtful.

Here I found some more scientific info (doesnt mean that its all a 100% correct of course) that says that those "sources" are wrong:
http://astsun.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/ (http://astsun.astro.virginia.edu/%7Emfs4n/sgr/)

they recommend this link (which is funnily enough another blog ;))
http://www.badastronomy.com/bablog/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy

It was quite easy to find (via wiki):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sagittarius_Dwarf_Elliptical_Galaxy

[m1thr0s]

well of course, I already knew I was from a different galaxy anyway...not sure why it would get me all excited.

It's not unlike being told you're actually a biped!

Damn...maybe I should start walking upright then...:o_O:

m1thr0s

[Nnonnth]

Ever see these?

Project Camelot interviews Bob Dean (Part 1)

I chose a short one that I found moving. There are longer ones there. If you watch all of them and still want to tell me there's nothing in it - well go ahead. Somehow this thread seems an appropriate spot to post this.

NN

[Apopheros]

What is the video about. project Camelot?