Current Meanderings 001

[m1thr0s]

I've covered a fair amount of ground over time with all this Abrahadabra stuff but I haven't even begun to plug everything. It might be useful to others to see some of the kinds of things I currently have on my *unresolved* list. I think it is potentially helpful to people to get some idea of how one goes about the whole process of exploratory alchemy in this immediate genre.

So jump in if you want to or don't if you don't. In this arena all ideas are potentially good ones but all ideas are also necessarily subject to a fair amount of prodding and pruning and general trial-by-fire sorts of scrutinies. You just have to get used to that...it's the same for me as for everybody else. Strong ideas have to be able to demonstrate their strength in various ways or they cannot confidently be relied upon to keep pace with the system as a whole.

So enough of that...

One of the things I would like to come up with is a way of qualifying a unique TwinStar formula for every path on the Tree of Life. This needs to work something like the bija mantras, only instead of being 6, there will need to be at least 22 + 10 = 32 unique TwinStar variations.

The problem is almost always one of finding a logic which is consistent from beginning to end and is in fact logical in some verifiable way. This is an elemental requirement that cannot really be overlooked or side-stepped in any way but that doesn't mean we can't at least look to other systems that may not be quite as logically tight as this...it only means that the final cut will need to be logically tight.

It is difficult to outline all the reasons this would be a benefit to us to have access to in part because there are so many of them and in part because we don't even know yet if such a thing is technically feasible. The odds are that it is but they are still a pretty steep odds. One of the outstanding reasons we might consider as to why we might want to have such a system is simply that the TwinStar itself has already established itself as an exceptionally dynamic meditation tool and this would add an extra layer of versatility onto its already distinguished sovereignty. It is not at all the only way we might approach Tree Paths but would amount to a method entirely self-contained on its own terms if we could pinpoint it. If it just so happens to synchronize effectively with everything else at play...so much the better.

In approaching problems of this sort you usually want to opt for the simplest possible approach as a starting point, which can then be used as a logical matrix to other more elaborate systems that might be concocted at another time and place. Simple is a good thing when the mechanism as a whole is pretty big. If we can keep things simple but also thorough, we have almost always arrived at something fairly profound.

So I'm not going to dive into this all at once. This just sort of sets up the project as an outline and I will come back and start looking at a range of criterion we might want to focus on as a starting point. I really have no idea at all where this will wind up at, if anywhere at all. Occasionally these kinds of projects just finally hit the dirt and never get up again...other times they sprout magnificent wings and fly. If the starting vision is a pretty good one to begin with, the chances are at least fair that we can usually come up with something worth investing more aggressive kinds of time and energy into.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

One of the things I would like to come up with is a way of qualifying a unique TwinStar formula for every path on the Tree of Life. This needs to work something like the bija mantras, only instead of being 6, there will need to be at least 22 + 10 = 32 unique TwinStar variations.

What do you mean by 'unique TwinStar formula'...?

Could you show an example...?

Seems to be a lot of talk* around here about seeds lately...

[*proportionally, anyway :p...]

[m1thr0s]

elemental-mantric formula...so we will have a unique way of building the TwinStar corresponding to every coordinate on the Tree of Life.

Our reason for wanting to do this stems from several important precedents. In trigrammal fields, all fields originate as molecular combinations of yin and yang (on the binary side) or yin, jen & yang (on the ternary side). In western tetragrammaton, extended systems such as the Twelve Banners originate as combinations of either AHIH, AHVH or IHVH to give us (upwards to) 72 unique banner arrangements. The ability to extend out from a central principle and also collect back into that same principle allows us a means of manipulating energy so as to simulate whole physical universe stemming from or returning to a central (primordial) source.

So ideally we want to stay as close to the 4-elemental universe standard as we can, achieving this same kind of mobility using the TwinStar alone. We don't actually need the TwinStar to accomplish this since we have the Fields already and there are other ways to accomodate this...this is more like a wish-list sort of project that would simply be an additional boon...an extra feather in the TwinStar's cap to be able to accommodate on its own internal merits.

But it also happens to follow classical form insofar as the tetractys has already been used historically..a way of expressing the "four-fold name of god" in a 10-point conguration. Students of traditional qabbalah have often seen this arrangement for instance:

I
I • H
I • H • V
I • H • V • H

By using our numeration system:

1

6 • 4
8 • 0 • 9
2 • 5 • 7 • 3

1

4 • 6
9 • 0 • 8
3 • 7 • 5 • 2

We have a way of building the tetractys according to TwinStar parameters, utilizing this traditional elemental-mantric formula. This affords us a way of assimilating the "four-fold name of god" tantrically. We can use it either as a means of meditatively probing the formula itself and/or "assuming" its properties as an energy gridwork pattern dispersed across the Body of Light as a whole...since we already know that the entire Tree of Life exists within its framework. It's actually a very simple, albeit a very dynamic way of "activating" or "igniting" this particular magickal formula...

And if we close off our leylines using the AUMGN - HUA-AThH circle and triangle formula, we actually have another Abrahadabra formula as well...so there is a high degree of continuity in using this approach to things that integrates well with many other things already in our arsenal of tantric applications.

m1thr0s

[Anibis]

Oooh. I think I have a way of handling this... Let me have a bit of time to put this together, but first look here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=168).
-Anibis

[m1thr0s]

yeah...it's in that vein at least.

The thing is that we are going to want to cover the whole ground with no remainders to really follow form on this.

Now we already know that 64 hexagrams / 2 = 32 fields so we are not without a ray of hope here...

Right now my best guess is that we want to work tight around the 16 geomantic characters somehow since 16 x 2 = 32 as well...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

Ok...it's late and I'm kind of bushed but I want to sort of lean into the next step here a bit. One of the first things I usually do on stuff like this is try to take inventory of everything that may be approximately connected to the issue at hand. We may wind up with something completely new or we may wind up with something nearly identical to other things being employed...just in a different format. So you usually want to review your key players to start with.

The Abrahadabra system makes abundant use of the so-called Word of Perfection as discussed in other places (though actually nowhere thoroughly enough I'm afraid). When we line this up on the Tetractys we get these values:

Heaven

A
A • H
A • H • I
A • H • I • H

(12 Banners)

Man

A
A • H
A • H • V
A • H • V • H

(12 Banners)

Earth

I
I • H
I • H • V
I • H • V • H

(12 Banners)

We are not going to be able to rely on banners alone (unfortunately) since we have a total of 36, not 32...although it may be worth considering whether or not that tally is as it should be. The number 37 has been linked to Crown on more than one occasion and said to be a number of Completion in its own right. The reason for this may be rooted in the Qabbalah of 9 Chambers which actually gives us 27 numerical chambers, each one balanced by a unique trigram in Trigrammaton itself. This plus 10 Sepheroth gives a meaningful 37.

But my guess at this early stage is that this is not the path we are looking for. It's just something to keep on the back burner more or less. It is unfortunate however since it would otherwise be an easy matter to line these up via the banners. We may return to this issue in due course. For now we have other things to weigh in first.

Side Note: I can't tell you the number of times I have been up against this exact same dilemma with respect to traditional Qabbalah. It's enough to make a person want to chuck the whole damn thing in the toilet and flush it down for good. Over and over again the clear and simple physics are forced to butt heads with an obscure and unjustified dogma...yet in some cases the dogma may be artistically correct, so it always has to be taken on a case-by-case basis.

In the case of the Qabbalah of 9 Chambers for instance we have a classic confrontation. As stated, the Q-of-9 actually gives us 27 numerical slots and Trigrammaton itself validates that number in no uncertain terms. Yet we are forced (by tradition) to cram that 27 into 22 paths, claiming as if by some amazing miracle of godly intelligence that the explanation has to do with the existence of 5 Final Letter values that are doubled in the Tree of Life...but only these 5 and no others. That would be fine and good save for the fact that in Trigrammaton there is no technical justification for this at all...Trigrams do not outrank each other under any circumstances and there is only one trigram in the 27 that even might be considered an exception to this rule...yet in practical application even it does not break rank...not ever.

There are of course other Trees but none that I know of that yield exactly 27 paths and again, artistically, there are certain considerations supporting the notion of 22 paths, being (for one thing) 11 x 2 for instance. 22 also gives us a less congested looking Tree that would seem to be adhering to a minimalist standards...something that is of great value in information systems. So for the moment we are left with an uncomfortable compromise with respect to Trigrammaton since even though it supports the premise of the 9 = 27 chambers...it cannot ever really support the Final Letters argument.

addendum: there is another wrinkle in this to be considered. I am told that the aligning of Hebrew letters to the 22 Arcana actually began with Eliphas Levi and was not done prior to his time. I have not taken the time to confirm this but if this is the case it may be that he was in error doing this...even though it has been hailed as one of his crowning achievements. It is interesting to note that this would not really impact the Hebrew system...Thoth is not really any of their concern (technically speaking) anyway. So there is an outside chance the whole notion of aligning Letters to Paths is misinformed. I find that difficult to adjust in many ways though...just hitting on all possible bases here...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I want to take a little time on the Bijas for a minute because there are some interesting parallels with Abrahadabra in different sorts of ways. Ordinarily we find the Bija mantras identified according to Chakras only but this is not the only system in circulation...no doubt the most effective systems have never been seen by westerners at all but this is unimportant. The notion of the Bijas is that they are always there for the looking anyway so whether we have the approval or disapproval of their self-appointed custodians is no matter in the end.

We find much of the same proprietary mentality with Hinduism as we find with Hebrew and perhaps some of it is even justified but there is no getting away from the fact that either camp is heavily invested in the imagined supremacy of its mother tongue and have built up never-ending armies of justifications and rationalizations protecting this core prejudice. It really is the children's fable of the 9 Blind Men and the Elephant played out on a tremendous scale. So the syncretist has his work cut out for him since he is the natural enemy of all these proprietary dogmas...whether he wants to be or not. And always we hear the same exact argument from them...you cannot really understand these teachings unless you lose yourself in their insidious embrace.

Despite all of that what we find upon close examination is that there are indeed many relevant similarities at the highest levels of all these jealously guarded doctrines.

Here is an eleven tiered system worth examining I think: link (http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/bija_mantra.php)
BIJA MANTRAS, MYSTIC SEED LETTERS 1 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM1.gif
HAUM In this Mantra, Ha is Siva and au is Sadasiva. The nada and bindu mean that which dispels sorrow. With this Mantra, Lord Siva should be worshipped.
2 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM2.gif
DUM Here Da means Durga, and u means to protect. Nada means Mother of the universe, and bindu signifies action (worship or prayer). This is the bija Mantra of Durga.
3 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM3.gif
KREEM With this Mantra Kalika should be worshipped. Ka is Kali, ra is Brahman, and ee is Mahamaya. Nada is the Mother of the universe, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow.
4 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM4.gif
HREEM This is the Mantra of Mahamaya or Bhuvaneshwari. Ha means Siva, ra is prakriti, ee means Mahamaya. Nada is the Mother of the universe, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow.
5 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM5.gif
SHREEM This is the Mantra of Maha Lakshmi. Sha is Maha Lakshmi, ra means wealth, ee is satisfaction or contentment. Nada is the manifested Brahman, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow.
6 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM6.gif
AIM This is the bija Mantra of Saraswati. Ai stands for Saraswati, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow.
7 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM7.gif
KLEEM This is the Kamabija. Ka means Kamadeva, the Lord of desire; it also means Lord Krishna. La means Indra, the ruler of Heaven, also lord of the senses. Ee means contentment or satisfaction. Nada and bindu mean those that bring happiness and sorrow.
8 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM8.gif
HOOM In this Mantra Ha is Siva, and u is Bhairava. Nada is the Supreme, and bindu means dispeller of sorrow.
9 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM9.gif
GAM This is the Gneasha bija. Ga means Ganesha, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow.
10 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM10.gif
GLAUM This is also a Mantra of Ganesha. Ga means Ganesha, la means that which pervades, au means luster or brilliance, and bindu is the dispeller of sorrow.
11 http://www.rudraksha-ratna.com/images/mantra_images/BM11.gif
KSHRAUM This is the bija of Narasimha, a very fierce half man half lion incarnation of Lord Vishnu. Ksha is Narasimha, ra is Brahma, au means with teeth pointing upwards, and bindu means dispeller of sorrow.
The science of Mantra is very complex. There are even Mantras for such specific purposes as curing snake bite and chronic disease, but these are of a lower order. In the modern world, the power of gross sound vibration is just beginning to be utilized in physical therapy, and its potential is being tapped in other fields. The ancient Indian sages had this sophistication thousands of years ago. They have used sound in its gross and subtle states to penetrate the planes of human consciousness and to reach the divine vibration that is the experience of God. Beginning in OM and dissolving in OM, the Mantra comes full cycle.
Don't even think of trusting this particular website...I only list it here because the lineup is orderly and documented elsewhere while the site itself is essentially a scam-site.
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I'll come back in a bit with a few more links and so on...though it has to be said that the Bijas really are a complex maze of self-contradicting assertions...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

10 +22 =32 paths. I have been hanging in the twinstar/trigrammaton/supernals enough over the decades to understand the symbols behind the lines. But it is not my job to teach it, no matter how familiar I am with the material. So I will add a small bit to this conversation, and see who cares to pick up on it. What it means to drop below the abyss/create the abyss/create creation, and how it changes/not changes the dynamic between 1,2,3 is all self evident it seems..

How/if it's broken down from here we'll see.. But I prefer at this point to present less words.

I get the implications of the lines, which is good enough for me. If it can be of any use to anyone, then use it, if not...well then no loss really, and I apologize for the interruption..

692


maybe it's just old news.

[m1thr0s]

You tempt me sir Dragon...

I am so damn close to flushing the whole *traditional qabbalah* song & dance down the tubes anyway and now you do this...damn you...

Yet the Tree remains in one form or another and so the Tree itself cannot really be the problem...

I keep thinking a thought I can't quite solidify...that Trigrammaton is not really about paths per se, so the 27 and the 22 really cannot and should not be too tightly bound... that the *coincidence* of their numerical parallel is just exactly that...a coincidence...not a mandate or a proof of any kind...more like an *echo* effect instead.

I am inclined to think maybe the 27 corresponds to Time and the 22 to Space in some way, so that both are valid but they are not the same thing...

How to express that in plane geometry I have not quite resolved...Certainly chambers provides a starting point but if we are dealing with time we really must gravitate to the circle and look to ways of subdividing this I think...

9 pointed stars perhaps...engrams and all of that...
We have traditionally built most of our time consciousness on 12's by in large but this is still a spacial approach to time. 9's is different...that's more like the brain itself...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

You tempt me sir Dragon...

I am so damn close to flushing the whole *traditional qabbalah* song & dance down the tubes anyway and now you do this...damn you...

Yea, well, you know...


Yet the Tree remains in one form or another and so the Tree itself cannot really be the problem...The tree is just the expression of life itself, any problems that can be perceived as "problems" emanate from the soul I think.

I keep thinking a thought I can't quite solidify...that Trigrammaton is not really about paths per se, so the 27 and the 22 really cannot and should not be too tightly bound...They are bound only in the fact that they are both numbers, and represent two different levels of organization within the system. And I agree, Trigrammaton is not about paths, even though we have to account for them/it as a principle from "down here" . At source it is a source, and it radiates as such, the rest is all just emissions (dimensions, waves, and particles)..


that the *coincidence* of their numerical parallel is just exactly that...a coincidence...not a mandate or a proof of any kind...more like an *echo* effect instead.This is the way I have always seen my numbers. 5 is just five, 22, 27, 418, 10056, 208,345,672, are all equal and valid in the circle of integers. They are just numbers, no more. No less. All principles have their part to play.


We just like to flip out on the symmetry.

I am inclined to think maybe the 27 corresponds to Time and the 22 to Space in some way, so that both are valid but they are not the same thing...Ok, stick with me here if you will. You know how I'm always doing that "mirror thing"? (mirror thing - see cosmic dyslexia). But it always works doesn't it....so now here we go again - Try reversing it and checking the feel again. 22 is a lot like Time, 27 is a lot like Space. Think about it....

How to express that in plane geometry I have not quite resolved...Certainly chambers provides a starting point but if we are dealing with time we really must gravitate to the circle and look to ways of subdividing this I think...Always.

9 pointed stars perhaps...engrams and all of that...
We have traditionally built most of our time consciousness on 12's by in large but this is still a spacial approach to time. 9's is different...that's more like the brain itself...m1thr0sBah. 12 has never been that dynamic a number for me, even though it is 4x3, beyond that..no major resonance...I tolerate it because it is the current regime. Anyways, yes...9....The collection of Malkuth up the pillar.

Remember, The tree and the star are a symbiosis mathematically in the "deployed" position, Heaven/Star/Earth is definable only after the lunar aspect of the tree is able to reflect it. But Heaven is Heaven and requires nothing beyond itself within/as the eternal to exist; it's when Heaven divides itself deploys itself beyond the veils that the paths in the star appears, and in turn, when the star divides itself that the tree configuration appears. The Eye and the Bolt...

Point being that the TotD in its "collected" position denotes that which is before time, before space...before the tree. It can stand alone or with other configurations through eternity...that kind of its job ya know? unlike the Tree - Which requires previous engineering to be.

Like any tree, it needs the light of a star to grow.

Laters,

~D~


Edit:

p.s. 12 is of course a powerful numerical concept, don't get me wrong..I build fields with it all the time, it is the Tao of the Sun, A level of the Adam Kadmon, and the interlocking point between Binah and Chesed - but it seems to me that its uses stop at its arrival...know what I mean?

[m1thr0s]

Ok, stick with me here if you will. You know how I'm always doing that "mirror thing"? (mirror thing - see cosmic dyslexia). But it always works doesn't it....so now here we go again - Try reversing it and checking the feel again. 22 is a lot like Time, 27 is a lot like Space. Think about it....Sure, it's always a good idea to check opposites but I don't think so here personally. It's a matter of context though. In relation to the Tree itself I am finding 22 to correspond a lot more to linear relationships and 27 to cyclical, 22 to vertical and 27 to horizontal etc...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

Hey, had to check - I do it always...always will. I see how your getting your deductions, and your probably right...I need to bust out the notepad for a bit.

I have to chuckle though, the idea of space as cyclic and time as linear has its attractions.

[m1thr0s]

Ok...so this is already starting to wander off the trail here and I want to return it to where we can get something accomplished. For myself, I have to say that the older I get and the more I learn about the hidden mysteries of the tetractys, the less I give a shit about conventional qabbalah anyway. It'll be there. It's not going away or anything but it's had a long time at bat and I can't see where it's really accomplished very much. I think it may be a peculiar kind of distraction in many ways...every man and every woman is not a tree or something. On the one hand...well of course they are, but on the other it's about as useful as belaboring being a biped. It seems to have taken our eye of the goal in many ways...

I want to take a minute and revisit a few facts we already know about the tetractys that still may not have sunk in as well as they should have. In mutational alchemy theory...everything begins around the 9 ternary bigrams which are housed both in the LoShu Diagram and the Tetractys of the Decad.

The Tetractys
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I've been thinking in terms of the Bija (or Seed) Mantras lately and comparing this to the principles laid out in the Hermetic Word of Perfection, because the parallels are stark in all cases. Traditionally, the Word of Perfection is said to comprise the entire elemental universe as represented in the 3 Father Letters (IAO or IAV) conjoined to the 3 Mother Letters (HHH). We have a powerful symmetry here with Sanskrit which also recognized these values as existing even prior to the Binda, or Om Mantra...but why? What's all the fuss?

Let's look at this in terms of the Tetractys itself and see what might turn up.

The 3 Fathers
694

The 3 Mothers
695

These come together to give us a very well known geometry that goes by various names. In this case I will just call it...

The Grand Hexagon
696

...and of course all we need to do is place perfect circles around our 6 Tetracti and all of a sudden we are face to face with...

The Seed of Life
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I am of the opinion that the relationship between the Tetractys and the traditional Flower of Life is possibly the single most important historical connection to have been made in a very long time and we hashed it out right here on Abrahadabra Forums...so something is working here, despite the occasional weirdnesses...

There are a lot of questions surrounding all of this...was this whole thing known at some point in time? If so...what the hell happened? How do you manage to fall off of something like that? Are we just looking at random bits independently discovered but never before connected or is this actually at the heart of some sort of lost metaphysical science? Many questions here...probably most of which cannot really be answered...

But the anatomy itself we can dive at full force...nothing is preventing that.

Trigrammaton's signature s all over this puppy. A quick perusal informs us that the Grand Hexagram is composed of 54 isometric triangles - 27 ascending + 27 descending in 37 points!!! Aha...37...so we come back to this...27 "paths" (of some kind) plus 10 sepheroth...perhaps. Or perhaps having nothing to do with paths and sepheroth at all but still a powerful *qabbalah* of some unknown class and kind...

So for right now I just want to log all of this in one place and I will come back to look at a number of very important principles being defined here...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

27 paths.

10 spheres.

Mantras. Perhaps sigils.

Ok. I'm on track with you now.

I'll dink with the monster and see what I come up with.

Peace out.

~D~

[m1thr0s]

I actually don't think Paths and Spheres is the deal here...that's a shadow-monkey that makes sense in Trees but doesn't mean that much to Stars...

Stars have no bones...they do have lines of force of course but it's a whole other way of doing business...

In any case, I am not convinced that there is any suitable way to resolve the 27 in terms of the 22. I think that these are ultimately different contexts...parallel universes perhaps, like the binary and ternary systems themselves...

Note: I haven't seen any actual magic square arrangements that fit this structure yet, but this arrangement is interesting at least and would best correspond to the 37 points themselves...

Magic Hexagon Ring:

••••3•3•3•3••••
•••3•2•2•2•3•••
••3•2•1•1•2•3••
•3•2•1•0•1•2•3•
••3•2•1•1•2•3••
•••3•2•2•2•3•••
••••3•3•3•3••••

interesting...this uses a palindrome (3210123)
also, viewed vertically, the 4 flanking tetracti follow the pattern

••••3••••
•••2•3•••
••1•2•3••
•0•1•2•3•

...or its inverse...

the two middle tetracti follow a different pattern

••••0••••
•••1•1•••
••2•2•2••
•3•3•3•3•

We can easily simulate this system in letters, using any 4-letter word.

IHVH = 0123

••••H•H•H•H••••
•••H•V•V•V•H•••
••H•V•H•H•V•H••
•H•V•H•I•H•V•H•
••H•V•H•H•V•H••
•••H•V•V•V•H•••
••••H•H•H•H••••

Not a bad little talismanic devise in my view...fiercely balanced and whole.
also outwardly emanating...like the rays of a star...


m1thr0s

[Dragon]

I'd have to agree...like 64 and 81...there are several ways to get there via the base numbers of 2,3, etc...but no direct relationship mathematically, only historically.. although it seems they would have a little more in common because with 22 you throw 11 into the mix...and we all know what that does. 22 is more a result or an effect then a source...know what I mean?

note: 27 possible direct paths in the TotD...der...Look at my Avatar. I thought it looked familiar..Yea...something tickling about how 27 strikes like lightning to ignite consciousness. I'm all about stars man..I fucking come from the stars...much as I love the earth..and all the feelings down here.

...22, 11, 23 - these are planetary forces...which are a little off from nuclear calculations because they dwell more on the cellular level....they are not a pure lunar element, not as clean...a little messy..like life.

Gaia has her own set of plans to create diversity within the local events...but it does all starts with a bang before even the stars formed....

Anyways, I came here to talk about Alice.....

Using the Banners HHH IAV

In sets of three letter combinations gives you 64 permutations - There are paths in Trigrammaton...they are just internal...bellybutton that for a sec.

with two exeptions that must be examined..one that I feel is dogma..and the other that is just a question. 1. If H is the only element to be used as a final letter in a sequence. 2. H is used within the Word like the Aleph...counting as one letter even in multiples of itself.

Someone double check the math, I was really tired last night...but I'm pretty sure that's the deal.

When dealing with binary systems, of any size, you get only one path between two elements, and 1 path via the circle same as if you have only one/no point (0=2) , or for two points (1=1=2)

BUT.

When dealing with a trinary system you have three paths directly, and one via the circle. Such is the nature of trigrammaton. 1+1+1=4 ABR(A)

So -when dealing with this configuration of the Word of Perfection...you can get triangles within the Word to generate hexagrams in terms if path assignment.

But wait there's more -

If you order now you can get a trinary mantra for each of the outer spheres of the TotD or for you ennegram, giving you a 27 letter name. Or by the same token a nine letter name if building sets of 3.

Plus we'll send you this lovely Turnip Twaddler.

Look I'm burnt..I work 16 hour days sometimes and battle chronic pain every day of my life...so if it all comes out kinda jumpy right now...deal with it...It's just how I communicate. However..My notepad is seeing a ton of tables and circles ...and and and.....

so I work still to try to add my little dimension to this life. Some things are a mystery to me. They are a mystery to most...that's why we study.


Time to go back to work.

~D~

[m1thr0s]

Using the Banners HHH IAV

In sets of three letter combinations gives you 64 permutations - There are paths in Trigrammaton...they are just internal...bellybutton that for a sec.

with two exeptions that must be examined..one that I feel is dogma..and the other that is just a question. 1. If H is the only element to be used as a final letter in a sequence. 2. H is used within the Word like the Aleph...counting as one letter even in multiples of itself.

Someone double check the math, I was really tired last night...but I'm pretty sure that's the deal.This isn't very clear. Are you saying that AHIHVH itself=64 Banners? I never actually checked that. Exception clauses don't work with banners...you either get a fit or you don't. The letters have to be free to gravitate anywhere within the word as a whole...no such thing as 75% of infinite everything etc...

I'd appreciate it if you would check your own math on this and report back. It doesn't sound right but I might be wrong...

Please show your proofs (if possible) as this would be important.

thanks,

m1thr0s

Addendum: In general, the point of this immediate exercise is to determine if there may be some way to simulate the 32 paths & sepheroth fields exclusively in TwinStar constructions, using some method similar to the banners, but not necessarily the banners themselves. Any discussion of banners at this junction is mainly by way of reviewing those criterion that distinguish the Word of Perfection as *perfect* from an alchemical standpoint and this may also lend itself to other ideas that follow the same essential guidelines. This problem has already been solved at the level of the fields themselves...that is not the issue here. The 64 binary hexagrams arranged in 32 balanced opposite pairs is sufficient to give us a tetragrammal formula to every coordinate on the Tree of Life with 4 balanced trigrams standing in as *elements*. The Word of Perfection informs us how to build these elemental fields uniquely without any repetitions or remainders.

I said from the outset this topic is a mental *meandering* but it may yield something of purpose before it's through. Anyone not comfortable with numerical and elemental brainstorming should probably steer clear from this thread since it will probably seem like a lot of aimless babbling. That is the process...from that very often emerges more substantial ideas and constructs.

I'm not addressing any one individual here at all...just laying out the ground rules in general. If you don't like math or you think this all sounds too anal for your tastes...leave it alone...it's not meant for you at this point anyway...

[MythMath]

I'm not sure if all the following links are pertinent
(due to differences in ternary names & values?),
but some of this background material may help
those of us trying to follow along this thread...

These are from a link that m1 had posted previously,
so I think the info is at least complementary:

Tree of Life (http://www.virtuescience.com/zztree.html)

27 Permutations (http://www.virtuescience.com/zzcube.html)

The Magic Hexagon of the 19 Permutations (http://www.virtuescience.com/zz10ratios.html)

[MythMath]

I noticed in the 3 Fathers and 3 Mothers diagrams,
that they had 19 points in common when combined...

And that the entire Great Hex Complex
(including SoL, FoL, and therefore ToL, TotD, TS, etal)
could be distilled down to, and implied by, that 19-point StarSeed...

19 is always there mediating...

(just noticed this is post #19, btw... :rolleyes: :laugh:)
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more from: The Number 19: (http://www.virtuescience.com/zz19.html)

0f the 81 permutations exactly 19 cancel out to neutral/Jen.

Of the 27 (http://www.virtuescience.com/zzcube.html) permutations exactly 19 contain at least one Jen line.

The sum of all the points, lines and faces of the five platonic solids totals 190=19*10.

The 5 platonic solids + the 13 Archimedean Solid (http://www.virtuescience.com/archimedean-solids.html)s + the surrounding sphere=19.

The TwinStar carries exactly 19 paths.

The FoL consists of 19 interlocking circles.
http://www.virtuescience.com/fol.jpg

The 4th Centered Triangular Number=19
http://www.virtuescience.com/zztri19.gif
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The "astral" body is said to be composed of 19 elements.
This subtle astral encasement of nineteen elements
survives the death of the physical body.

Quoted from "Autobiography of a Yogi" by Paramhansa Yogananda

[MythMath]

m1thr0s:
In any case, I am not convinced that there is any suitable way to resolve the 27 in terms of the 22.
I think that these are ultimately different contexts...parallel universes perhaps,
like the binary and ternary systems themselves...22 + 10 = 32

32 x 2 = 64

And 27 'equals' 64 (base 3 vs. base 2 'equivalence' here, at least):

http://www.virtuescience.com/zzovercube27.GIF

Hardly a leap from 27 to 22... :laugh:

And you know what happens when 22 and 19 multiply...:p

[m1thr0s]

that's very interesting you picked up on that 19 stuff MM...I hadn't seen all of it, but most.

That's too many 19's to take lightly I think...here's another one. In the Grand Hex there are 19 conjuncted points - all sharing space with one other point save the center which is shared by 6... that should amount to 44 points / 2 = 22.

oops...count was off. 18 conjuncts @ 2 points each = 36 (not 38) + 1 @ 6 points = 42 (not 44)

19 wins, 22 loses...lol

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

HHH HHI HHA HHV
HIH HII HIO HIV
HAH HAI HAO HAV
HVH HVI HVA HVV

IHH IHI IHO IHV
IIH III IIO IIV
IAH IAI IAA IAV
IVH IVI IVA IVV

AHH AHI AHA AHV
AIH AII AIA AIV
AAH AAI AAA AAV
AVH AVI AVA AVV

VHH VHI VHA VHV
VIH VII VIA VIV
VAH VAI VAA VAV
VVH VVI VVA VVV

[m1thr0s]

Ok...I haven't got a clue what you're doing but that's ok...

You are including the O in some cases and omitting it in others, including triplicates and duplicates of most letters but not the O etc...that would seem to make the O a stop-gap letter but it isn't being used evenly...

it's not mathematically tight so far as I can tell...

thanks for clarifying. this reminds me a little of the enochian aethers with its triadic word constructs etc...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

der...sorry... let's try again....was very tired...worked till 2 am...typos.

HHH HHI HHA HHV
HIH HII HIA HIV
HAH HAI HHA HAV
HVH HVI HVA HVV

IHH IHI IHA IHV
IIH III IIA IIV
IAH IAI IAA IAV
IVH IVI IVA IVV

AHH AHI AHA AHV
AIH AII AIA AIV
AAH AAI AAA AAV
AVH AVI AVA AVV

VHH VHI VHA VHV
VIH VII VIA VIV
VAH VAI VAA VAV
VVH VVI VVA VVV

This is the natural progression...one could set it in the standard arrangements... keys, chambers, glyphs and sigils, etc.


Btw - (3, 37, 19, 17) Friggin' prime numbers, they think they are sooo special..


23 skidoo.

[m1thr0s]

much better...thanks Dragon.

yeah...that works! all in triangles too...very interesting.

now I just need to sort out how to build them in TwinStar format. I think that the inner hex is almost certainly the key. In a very real sense, the outer 3 ponts come under the jurisdiction of AUM / AUMN anyway...so this would be doable. We wouldn't be running the 1-10 count necessarly in these structures but it doesn't really matter...it's all there anyway...

Thanks for coming back with this stuff...this needs some think-time.

edit: on second glance I think the chronology is still needing to be hashed out a bit. So far I think making the alignment to TwinStars is very nearly a slam-dunk but the precise order 1-32 is still a little fuzzy.

What do you mean by *natural order*? That term always gets my hackles up a bit...natural in what way?

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

'Where' do I look to see the triangles and hexes
formed within the HIAV permutations...?

How 'bout a rough digisketch...?

[m1thr0s]

first off - remember that HIAV is a reduction of AHIHVH to its 4 unique letter values but the Word of Perfection itself is still a 6-part elemental construct. So we would be pairing triads in some way here. IAO + HHH, or AAA + VVV or whatever turned up as the core chronology, probably following an Alpha-Omega sort of pairing standard.


In the Tetractys these could easily be applied to the inner Hexagram points and there are several important ways we might proceed. We might pair triads against themselves internally, so that IAO would yield:

••••1••••
•••I•I•••
••A•0•A••
•2•V•V•3•

Or we might go about it in other ways...this is just to indicate where the inner hex is and approximately how we would link to it. It happens that the TwinStar itself is entirely constructed on these inner points, flanked by the Triangle which we can incorporate in a variety of ways...so long as it is always included somehow. In this example I am just using numbers as place holders, but the formula HVU - AThH fits here as well as any number of appropriate formulas we might identify...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Thanks, a little clearer...

I've read as much on the banners that I could find here,
and I'll read it again, but any advice on a primer...?

[m1thr0s]

bits and pieces scattered about...AC's 777, Manly P Hall....a few internet links maybe...some astrology links...for some reason Banners hasn't received the attention it deserves. Whatever actual Hebrew links you find will almost certainly drive you insane with gobble-dee-gook you'll never hope to understand because it isn't actually very rational. The Hermetic tac on the WoP is a lot more mathematical than the traditional stuff...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

Fuck!I didn't drop the first table! The H tablet would definitely come last. Anyways let's pick it apart and find the right order. If we are going in a progression paralleling the chronology of the Hebrew alphabet and the Word itself, then it would be A Tablet first, then V, then I, then H.

Much like the tree in it's "natural" state. Or -

We configure it using IAV as a model and progress with the I table first, then A, then V, then H. Much like the tree in it's "configured" state of traditional path descension. It is after all a circle, so the behavior we desire to study is determined by which way we spin the wheel. Sorry about the order at first..I tend to default to IAV...I'm just an old softy that way, despite the occasional chuckle from the Wizard's Gallery.

The point is, by using the star map, we can reconfigure the tree to alter reality within the local event horizon. That whole Eye in the Sky/Lighting Bolt/Blasted Tower ...thingy ;P

By crawling down into the trigrams, we break up and re arrange the time/space continuum before or during the point of manifestation; and if there is enough energy in the field - Presto!

Transmutation.


Alla peanut butter sandwiches!


~D~


p.s. Also consider the outer three points on the TotD with the 22 paths from the aspects of the Veils. There is something interesting about the way the energy flow changes when you take those paths connecting 4 and 6, 5 and 8, and 7 and 9, and turn them inwards connecting 1,2, and 3 directly to 10.

Wakow! KRAKABOOM!


hehehe...

[Dragon]

I'll pick apart the individual triad progressions within the tablets in a bit. Because they should follow suit. Right now they are all set up HIAV...gimme a few DAMMIT...in a string corrosponding to the progression of the letters as they appear in the word? Or in the alphabet?

One would be AHVI...The other AVIH..


AAA AAH AAV AAI
AHA AHH AHV AHI
AVA AVH AVV AVI
AIA AIH AIV AII

HAA HAH HAV HAI
HHA HHH HHV HHI
HVA HVH HVV HVI
HIA HIH HIV HII

VAA VAH VAV VAI
VHA VHH VHV VHI
VVA VVH VVV VVI
VIA VIH VIV VII

IAA IAH IAV IAI
IHA IHH IHV IHI
IVA IVH IVV IVI
IIA IIH IIV III





AAA AAV AAI AAH
AVA AVV AVI AVH
AIA AIV AII AIH
AHA AHV AHI AHH

VAA VAV VAI VAH
VVA VVV VVI VVH
VIA VIV VII VIH
VHA VHV VHI VHH

IAA IAV IAI IAH
IVA IVV IVI IVH
IIA IIV III IIH
IHA IHV IHI IHH


HAA HAV HAI HAH
HVA HVV HVI HVH
HIA HIV HII HIH
HHA HHV HHI HHH


m1...suggestions? Instincts? Are both correct? Just different applications? Is the AHVI the most sound mathematically?

?

~D~

[m1thr0s]

you know...a wink is as good as a nod when it comes to letters on their own merits. You can never entirely justify one arrangement over the next so long as they don't blow it in any real obvious sorts of ways...

so that's why I go to the numbers as much as possible...even this necessitates a certain amount of *assumption*, but at least with numbers your assumptions have a greater tendency to stay right where you put them and everything else fans out rationally from there.

where it gets tricky is when letters and elements are playing hide & seek from each other...

In the case of YHVH for instance we have a fairly clear cut *first order* of business in the 4 Elemental Worlds as they descend down the Tree. There is good confirmation on this chronology over time. At the level of elements Fire comes first, then Water, then Air, then Earth. This is easy to track numerically as it stands: Fire=0, Water=1, Air=2, Earth=3 and you're good to go from there since any word will automatically give up its numbers from 0000-3333...

But then...the H's are playing fucking rope-a-dope! And in truth, if we are counting true elemental values there are actually 24 traditional variations anyway...the H's only establish the illusion of 12 being indistinguishable from each other at the level of letters. How should we park the H's? Is it IVH or IHV or HIV or what?

Complicated stuff unless maybe we can resolve that the main function of whole elemental *pools* is to be just that...whole. So long as we are confidently working within a framework that has no devastating omissions at its core...we may actually have license to screw around a bit more with personal preferences...where's the fucking harm? It's all present and accounted for anyway...

So for this reason I do regard in high esteem the principle of variation and I think that for the most part magick is always an exploratory art & science anyway. About all anybody can maybe legitimately take you to task for is not playing with a full deck to begin with.

Of course...the better you can lay out your game plan the more likely that others might want to play along...so an especially dynamic strategy is always high on the list of desirables I think...this steers us into the realm of context and pinpointing contexts that may be especially relevant in the moment (take genetics for instance). Letters will never resolve of their own accord...6000 years of Hebrew jabber should tell us that if nothing else...or Sanskrit, or any of them...

But they can achieve resolution at the level of context...and that makes the whole damn thing...well...compelling.

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

Yep...A wheel is a wheel.....But because we numerations for the Hebrew....in a pure progression of followed sequence...ie 1,2,3,4,5...etc...the AHVI sets right...

But I really love the dynamic if the IAVH, or even the AVIH orders..


I smell where you're coming from though...


~D~

[m1thr0s]

We can look to generations as one such *context* AH=Grandparents, IH=Parents, VH=Children etc...this is one way to proceed...pretty strong assertion...plenty of familiar resonance etc...I use that one a lot myself I think. So by this agreement AH - IH - VH automatically reads out generationally and its relative strength is its principal attraction.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

So then, following the generation model, would that suggest: AIVH...?

[m1thr0s]

yeah...for several reasons. One has to do with Spirit itself of which there are two essential forms...Gold Akasha (of Crown) and Silver Akasha (of Earth). So we have the idea of everything coalescing in earth via the Grandmother/Mother/Daughter letter, which almost no matter wherever else we place it would seem to be an imbalanced point of coalescence. It's pretty much got to be Earth...besides which...the slot is not already filled by any other letters...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Beautiful, the feminine triunity aka motherearth...

[Dragon]

698


found this at http://anth.org/ ...an ironic synchronism to our research.

see how that inverted triangle in the middle is the embodiment of the idea? of the ? A simple and powerful Idea.

Maria.

And look at how all the trines fade into fractals...reinforcing the the concept of generational connectivity.


Just thought a visual would help.

Laters-

~D~

[MythMath]

I worked out this little ditty while the Grid was down:


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/WordofPerfectionDiamongGrid.jpg

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/WordofPerfectionStarhex.jpg
Note in the above graph:

1. Balanced distribution of gender pairings throughout.

2. Ordinal polar pairings are consistent throughout
(directly opposing each other on a common hexring).

3. Making each polarpair's ordinal values total 19.

4. Only Grands and Kids (no Parents) on the outer hexring.

5. The rotational symmetry of the bluestar.

6. The greystar consists entirely of same gender pairs.

7. The ascending and descending triangles
are anchored by their proper genders.

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The next 2 graphs show the
layout of the two sets of ordinal numbers,
and the gender assignments, respectively:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/WoPlayoutsUSE.jpg

See also this thread, for a demonstration of
Distribution of the Ternary Trigrams on the Great Hex:

Ternary Distribution animation (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2105)

[MythMath]

I neeeeed some feeeeedbaaaack... :o_O::laugh:

[m1thr0s]

well it's difficult to know exactly how to give you feedback on this MM...it all looks pretty cool...can't see anything wrong necessarily. Not quite sure what to do with +'s and -'s when it comes to actual sound applications and I'm not sure how any of this would be applied exactly.

When I started this thread I was musing over a fairly simple sort of problem...or at least the intended application is fairly simple...how to qualify a unique TwinStar formula for every path on the ToL. What you have come up with here does not seem to actually answer that but that doesn't make it irrelevant or anything...it just means I haven't figured out how it would be applied in that immediate context...

Want to try to dummy it down a little and maybe show me (us) some actual TwinStar formulations? That might help a lot...

Music Theory has to find its final application in actual music or it's kind of pointless...same so with Magick Theory...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Oh, err, uhh, context, you say...?

I don't know what it has to do with twinstar, I was hoping
maybe somebody might recognize something in it...

It felt like meandering currents... :rolleyes:

I was working with all six letters on a 6x6
grid, and then adapting the results to the
recently developed 36 point hex/star motif...

It was a way to get familiar with these elements,
as if they were cards in a deck that could be
shuffled and/or laid out in different arrangements...

To try to reveal any meaningful patterns, etc...
______________________________

I guess the + & - can be voiced like the other H,
the different symbols were used in the graph
just to be able to identify the generations...
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And besides, how often does a guy get to go boustrophedon...? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boustrophedon)

[m1thr0s]

Ok...well it's all useful *chunking* activity at least and I am sure there are patterns we can extrapolate somehow...just not sure what they are yet.

It seems to me like this may be heading full-swing back into trigrammal formatting though and maybe this is as it should be...

I've been avoiding laying that out real carefully because it takes some time and I've got some other projects happening right now that can't be put off...but when you're working in a banners framework (letter-wise) it's pretty hard to circumvent the more traditional standard of 4-parts to a line, 3 lines high...

Because what happens this way is that you get an even distributuion straight across the board with no ambiguities...no remainders...no shortages. Everything gets accounted for from top-to-bottom, beginning-to-end, and it all fits naturally within the usual 4/4 time circle system so it flows right anatomically as well...

There may simply be no better way to do things.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

So look...let's try to build a basic trigram here without all the graphics support and maybe I can at least indicate how this all works...

I'll use trigram #6 from this chart (http://www.abrahadabra.com/trigrammaton001.htm) because it has a little of everything going on with it...

---------
---••---
--•--•--

Using traditional Banners methodology we have a four-part word corresponding to each line, based on the mathematical subdivisions of the WoP itself...so AHIHVH divides evenly into AHIH (heaven) + AHVH (man) + IHVH (earth) and each of these words in turn yields 12 Banners at the level of letters and 24 Banners at the level of Elements. We will only concern ourselves with Letters for now.

Now as it happens, we don't even need to concern ourselves with all the banner variations just to achieve the logical building of trigrams. One of the beauties of this system is that we can do it all from our primary divisions alone and still get no duplications and no remainders.

We simply assign the Heaven Word to the Heaven Line wherever it appears, the Man Word to the Man line and the Earth Word to the Earth line and we are good to go...

so in our example the *mantric* formula reads:

AHIH
AHVH
IHVH

The way we would build this structure follows the circle itself divided into quadrants and we might buil bottom-to-top, top-to-bottom, left-to-right, or right-to-left without upsetting our letter arrangement at all.

So you get ready to build 3 concentric circles and as you do this you need to visualize that circle originating from Ain Soph Aur, making a full sweep down through Earth, returning again to Ain Soph Aur...all of our energy fields will do this as a matter of form...that part never varies. So here your visualization takes on a double-duty sort of focus because we will be drawing the energy one way but placing it another...in other words...

beginning from earth we first build:

I | H
— —
H | V

in a counter-clockwise sweep, proceeding to

A | H
— —
H | V

winding up at...

A | H
— —
H | I

to give us our 3 concentric rings. At this point it is advisable to center & ground that action briefly because we are dealing in whole composite trigrams here...so a simple vertical axis

A
—Th—
H

will suffice.

This method is both elegant and complete. Whether we are dealing in Binary Structures (using only two parts of the WoP) or Ternary Structures (using all 3 parts), we are able to build any combinations of trigrams without running into internal contradictions of any kind. We change directions simply by changing our focus and drawing our lines in the opposite direction while the pronunciations remain exactly the same. We are free to vary these if we like within normal Banner guidelines but we don't have to in order to achieve the basic goal of building the trigrams themselves. Simple, powerful and complete.









I realize that isn't an adequate explanation but it's a start at least...

note: please ask questions since this can't possibly all be crystal clear.

also note: Banners adheres religiously to the 4-Bigrammal standard in all cases. Every circle we build will always contain these 4 bigrammal parts...we never leave that standard for an instant...it's a core principle that never varies and never needs to.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I should have elucidated circles from the moment you came on with the Flower of Life MM...you obviously need this data but it's really pretty big...it's a big discussion and there's about a million and one ways to approach it badly...we'll just have to do the best we can here...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

It's all fascinating...

Help me visualize how the three rings are
'concentric' to one another in your example...

In actual practice though, would you typically use
several trigrams together in the same session...?

If so, how would they be chosen and sequenced...?
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Can't wait for the graphics and video... :laugh:

It would be great to able to see & hear this...

[m1thr0s]

Help me visualize how the three rings are
'concentric' to one another in your example...trigrams get built in one fell swoop involving 3 circle rotations that flow around each other without stopping. so the earth line flows evenly into the man flows evenly into the heaven line like a gymnast whipping circles around a highbar 1 - 2 - 3 - dismount. Only our dismount is a lock-down action instead.

In actual practice though, would you typically use
several trigrams together in the same session...?we can do whatever the hell we want to do in structures but what we are striving for in the complete Tree of Life Meditation is a balancing of all 64 Hexagrams in 32 balanced pairs. So this is what is going on in this diagram (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twintrees002.htm) and the others like it. These maps lay out our balancing strategy as defined chronologically by the numbers. So then a hexagrammal *field* in Mutational Alchemy doctrine always constitutes 4 balanced trigrams in 2 balanced hexagrams. In the TwinStar what we actually get is a pentagram for each hexagram, just as an aside.

If so, how would they be chosen and sequenced...?Hopefully I just answered that...we begin at the beginning (numerically) and follow logically to the end...that is also why it was so important to identify the Proximity Principle...before this the Tree of Life had no certain beginning, middle or end. What is had was makeshift and mathematically incorrect.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

So this is what is going on in this diagram (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twintrees002.htm) and the others like it.
These maps lay out our balancing strategy as defined chronologically by the numbers. Oh, so that's what those are, duh... :rolleyes:
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I'm a little confused when you jumped from tri back to bi...

The 64 binary hexagrams you've mapped to the ToL...

What do you map the ternaries (81 tetragrams? or 27 trigrams?) to...?

In the TwinStar what we actually get is a pentagram for each hexagramWhat does this mean exactly...?

[m1thr0s]

I'm a little confused when you jump from bi to tri...

The 64 binary hexagrams you've mapped to the ToL...

What do you map the trinaries (81 tetragrams?) towell, that's sort of the 64,000 dollar question right now...theoretically they all stem from the LoShu itself and then again via the 9 Chambers within the Tetractys. It is possible to align them to ToL paths following their Qabbalah of 9 Chamber numerical values but we get duplications which doesn't play out well in trigrams...trigrams don't "outrank" each other etc. From a historical perspective, the cleanest system is following their seasonal rotations through the calendar year since 729/2 = 364 +1 and we are free to duplicate the remainder = 365. This corresponds neatly to the so-called 365 Aeons of Abraxas (also Mithras) and is flexible enough to account for a leap-year as well. This calendar system was used for a time in China but was ultimately usurped by the Binary calendar system. I am generally of the opinion that the Ternary system has a special relationship to Time and that the Binary system has a more prominent role to play in Space.

I have studied this problem for years really and remain unconvinced that the Ternary system has any direct correlation to the Tree of Life but rather exists in a parallel relation to it. So in the Binary system we simply pull the Man Line...it never gets expressed in application but remains present in the form of the Triangle itself. The precedent for this is drawn from the I Ching itself and what happens to the Jen value in that system. It is still there, but always assumes a *hidden* positioning relative to the Yin and Yang etc...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

So all we have to do is uncover the
ternary (3D?, 4D?) equivalent to the
ToL and the map the 81 chiefs onto that... ;)

[MythMath]

Happy Birthday, m1thr0s:


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TheTrioLife.jpg



The Trio Life


:p

[m1thr0s]

wow. that's pretty intense MythMath...danke.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

The numbers refer to the 81 shou (tetragram) positions...

The 9 satellites around each tetragram represent the
729 tsan (to be depicted by the ternary hexagrams),
which would be assigned positions based on
the same "surfing ouroboros" numbering pattern...

The elements balance each of the 9 t'ien/seasons...


Everything is balanced... :yes:


Complete bilateral polar symmetry throughout...

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A nod to Dragon, who had reminded me of the
Sierpinski triangle (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sierpinski_triangle), which we had looked at here:

http://www.public.asu.edu/%7Estarlite/images/children/girls2TP.jpg

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=12550&postcount=11

http://www.public.asu.edu/~starlite/sierpinskigirls.html (http://www.public.asu.edu/%7Estarlite/sierpinskigirls.html)
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PS - BTW, is it really your birthday...?

[m1thr0s]

PS - BTW, is it really your birthday...?uh...no, actually...it isn't. not even close. too bad...you can't take your present back now! lol...

m1thr0s

[Radiant Star]

Well I don't understand it totally, but I was blown away by your latest creation MythMath.

Beautiful. :yes:

[MythMath]

Thanks, Ricci...

It's odd how most of the things I've been
working on lately suddenly appear to
have been preliminary runs at this one... ;)

[MythMath]

Trio with Tree and Flower
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TriowithToLFoLcopy.jpg
The elements tucked neatly away in the
'other 9 chambers' of this inverted Tetractys...

Tiphareth doing a beautiful job of balancing everything...

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

Far out!!!!!!!!

[MythMath]

The Trio Life image in post #51 is also a handy annual calendar...

In the graph, the 9-point clusters that fractally orbit
around each of the enumerated 81 shou, total 729...

As mentioned before, these 729 hexagrams can be assigned
2 hexs per each of the 365 days of the year, one hex for
the nighttime and its polartwin for the daytime...

The polartwins (i.e. hex#1/hex#729, hex#2/hex#728, etc.) are
located directly across (L-R) from each other on the graph...

On the median day of the year, the center hex
positioned at the bottom of the triangle (#365)
serves for both the nocturnal and diurnal phases...

[MythMath]

Here's one for the minimalists:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TrioGramscenter.jpg

Showing the 3 monogram, 9 bigram, 27 trigram
and 81 tetragram forms of the Tai Hsuan Ching...

The 729 hexagrams are indicated by the red hexstars...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/THCsierpinskicopy.jpg
Here 81 tridoshas mark the
positions of each of the tetragrams...

[MythMath]

9 Elements with ToL and 418 Grid:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Triowith418ToLcopy.jpg

By connecting the apices of the 418 Grid's
Secret Chiefs in a complete TwinStar circuit,
all 9 of the elements are thusly engaged:

12 Widdershins
water, spirit, fire, air, yoni, luna, earth, lingam, yoni, luna, sol, sol

12 Deiseil
fire, spirit, water, earth, lingam, sol, air, yoni, lingam, sol, luna, luna


Further, each element's position is precisely centered
between the Chief Points along the TwinStar path...

[MythMath]

That last one had a familiar ring to it, didn't it...?

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Triowith418ToLcopy-1.jpg

S
E Y E
S

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/greatsealstarcopy.jpg

Balance is the key... ;)

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/scalesonbill.jpg

[MythMath]

I should clearly point out that while I
have a pretty good feel for palindromes,
patterns, tessellations and symmetries...

Everything I know about the Ternary Elements
I've learned here, through m1thr0s' articles and
the various threads that weave on through*...

In the various posts above, I am exclusively
reiterating others' (mostly m1's) points and images
to augment the new graphs that I am presenting...


MM


*And now, I'm learning from these new graphs... :p

[MythMath]

Matter of Time
{pka: Completion}

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/NewEnchilada.jpg

m1thr0s has referred to the
Tree of Life as the great Phallus of Life,
but what on earth does that have to do with
that inverted Triangle with a hole in the middle...?

:p

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

MM....it just occured to me that you are using number sequence for a 365 day calendar year here? Are you certain that is the acurate day cycle? What might it look like in a 360 day cycle? Thoughts? Just doing some research on the mayan cycles and this came up.

[m1thr0s]

This all looks pretty good. I'm not comfortable with the descending triangle from a whole-systems theory perspective, however...it breaks rank and smacks of idiosyncrasy.

I'm not sure if you'll understand what I mean...there's nothing wrong with it from the standpoint of geometrical exploration, but you have titled it "Completion", so we are obliged to be fairly strict in our observations.

I hope you don't mind a little candor MM...you're on a roll and that's an exhilarating thing to watch. There is a principle I have often struggled with how to convey regarding talismanic applications. The human creative faculty is plagued with a certain demon that crops up over and over again that seeks to always place a certain stamp of private ownership on things inherently universal. We see it over and over again and the end result is that the greater truth is lost in the shuffle and has to be rediscovered all over again.

So then...how do we spot this, and how do we avoid it? I don't completely have the answer to this question but I think we have to constantly be asking ourselves if one or another creative assertions is absolutely required by the rest of the model as a whole...or if it may in fact be a stylization fetish that furthers nothing vital in the end.

So in the case of the descending triangle, I have to ask...why does it actually need to be this way? What is it that we gain here that we would not already have within the original Abrahadabra triangle?

I really hope you don't mind this little critique...I am hoping to get to a certain clarification here of that which ultimately distinguishes simple gadgets from the greater engineries of Life itself. I believe it has a lot to do with minimalism in the assertion of universal principles. The sages speak of "hacking away the inessentials" as the means to comprehending the Tao and this is roughly in the ballpark of what I have observed regarding the general failure of many talismanic systems...they tend to assert a certain proprietary logics at the expense of bona fide universalities and are thereby lost in the shuffle of time itself as an inevitable end result. This is one of the things that actually matters in the whole discussion of transcending "ego" etc...

Nature itself is an absolute genius at building within the strictures of Necessity in all cases. It doesn't seem to limit its adaptive capabilities at all but rather adds durability and stamina into the mix so that its creations can withstand all kinds of adverse circumstances. How does Nature do this? This is what we need to know and the standard we need to follow.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Re: private ownership...

I just uncovered all these interlocking parts which I
layered together to share with anyone who can use it...

It could have been someone else that would have
found the same pattern that was always there...
_________________________

If the Triangle didn't descend then the TwinStar lines
would not be balanced by the 9 elements and the
lingam (ToL) would have no complementary yoni... :no:

[m1thr0s]

no...it's not the descending triangle I am challenging...it's the form of it that extends beyond the borders of the ascending triangle...these amount to sharp edges that can't be ignored...

In tantric application, the descending triangle that conforms to the edges of the ascending also reinforces both ascending and descending actions...thus you get a perfect balancing of both inertias acting in unison. What you have asserted here...visually...is a dominance of one over the other at the expense of its unicursal symmetry.

So I have to question *why*? What's the point? Why do we need a descending triangle that exceeds these otherwise natural geometrical guidelines?

You may have an answer...I am not saying you do not. But the descending triangle is serious business so I have to scrutinize it pretty hard. It may make no difference depending on exact application, but from a scrying perspective it's too abrupt to be treated casually.

These lines we craft have tons of hidden doctrine behind them MM and all of this comes into play as we set about to build whole universal continuum based upon their premises...so even a hair out of place can prove disastrous in some cases...

But like I said...it may not matter at all depending on our intended applications. I have any number of talismans that sort of act as independant control panels that do not specifically address "Completion" itself but are nevertheless connected. Since you have called this one *Completion*, I have to question certain things I would otherwise just leave well enough alone.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Hey, I'm just the messenger,
that's how the numbers fell...

I don't even know how to navigate or pilot yet, I signed
on originally to be one of the ship's cartographers...

I'm not at all sure how to apply these charts...yet... ;)

But let's run them and see if they spin...
______________________

I had to go dig up a quote that possibly 'sums' it up:


All conceptual pioneers understand that their end product, whatever
it may be, will have to sink or swim on its own intrinsic merits...

Look to the numbers, if you dare to be so bold, and
run these things through your own logical lenses.

If you cannot really fault them conclusively,
they may be every bit as *amazing* as they appear.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

well, there are numbers and numbers though and we still make certain choices in what we emphasize I think. I was hoping to get some explanation as to why this particular descending form impresses you as outstanding in some way. The traditional descending triangle placed within the ascending has a lot of history behind it, so that's another wrinkle to weigh in...

But in any case...it's a very handsome design. My initial impression is that it expresses "Extension" moreso than *Completion* but as you say...we'll have to give it some time.

Edit: Don't worry about it MM...it's my job to make you think about what you're doing...even at risk of pissing you off. If I had a nickel for everybody I've pissed off I'd probably be a freaking millionaire several times over by now. :mad: :laugh:

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

I just want the few of you that can, to test it...

See if it breaks... :p

[m1thr0s]

well...that's sort of what I am trying to tell you MM...I already broke it (I think...)

But you have to understand that part of the price you pay for dealing in this kind of art ultimately demands that you run your own kinds of tests and have answers to the questions people may ask of you...

this isn't just some design class 101 you know...this is Body of Light stuff at a very lofty level...

Now...just so you know...I've broken my own shit many thousands of times and scrapped whole platforms and started all over...the stuff I have finally brought forward...the stuff you are playing with...is already very very strong because it's literally died a thousand deaths or more to begin with...

Trashing this stuff is a natural part of the developmental process. You gotta know how to die in order to know how to fly...

Let's give Dragon a crack at it...he knows how to break stuff...rofl...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

no...it's not the descending triangle I am challenging...it's the form of it that extends beyond the borders of the ascending triangle...these amount to sharp edges that can't be ignored...

So I have to question *why*? What's the point? Why do we need a descending triangle that exceeds these otherwise natural geometrical guidelines?

That's what makes it a Great Mystery... :laugh:

The preliminary graphs show how the
positioning and scale of the descending
'Trio' was based on the FoL (w/ToL), which
is what I typically use as a reference bed...

When it came time to inevitably introduce the
418 Grid/Twinstar to the matrix, I was pleased
to witness the TS leylines bisecting each of the
balancing 9 LSD/THC* elements along with
the previously established ToL/IC points...
*LoShuDiagram/TaiHsuanChing

Also, the TotD (formed by the Secret Chiefs)
is distinctly visible and conveys the TwinStar
while 'explaining' the two unique gravity centers...

[m1thr0s]

good...that's a good start. My guess at this point is that you should just dump the Abra Grid and run this whole thing on the Flower Itself...

What's happening as it stands is that you are obstructing the TwinStar and rather pissing off the Chiefs...in effect you are creating a super-volcano...

The ascending triangle will not be upstaged or relegated to a backseat relation without kicking up a tremendous fuss...it has its own assertions...its own priorities etc...you're only really allowed to assert what is right there to be asserted...you can do whatever the hell you want to do (of course) but you'll be pissing against the wind so to speak...

This isn't about design...that's a whole different class.

But I'm pretty sure you can circumvent all of this just by dumping the Abra Grid and building against the FoL itself...

I'll have to reflect on it a bit more.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

In line with 'hacking away the inessentials'...

The Trio and the Tree could possibly
function unsupported, representing the
ternary and binary realms respectively...

Re: ...you are obstructing the TwinStar and rather pissing off the Chiefs...

If this obstruction were somehow flowing 'within or through the grid'
instead of plastered over the Grid, would it still be an obstruction...?

Time vs Space...

[m1thr0s]

yes...that's more what I see happening here...very good.

This is very instructional actually...we are witnessing something quite remarkable about the Abra Grid itself. Because of its alliance to the Tetractys, it doesn't even altogether need itself!

and that is definitely a potent mystery...

If this obstruction were somehow flowing 'within or through the grid'
instead of plastered over the Grid, would it still be an obstruction...?yeah...if it were a ghost that might work, but it isn't. that's the whole thing about the TwinStar...it's a very solid cat...it's *embodied* much the same as you or me. As such it needs to be allowed full reign wherever it is displayed...but particularly in Abrahadabra I think...you need to be very careful how you try to cloak it. That's sort of its natural house...you don't hide the King in his own castle...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Time is not a ghost, but it can't be seen...

Not even the King in his castle can
prevent Time from flowing through...

Nor should that bother him...

[m1thr0s]

well...this is wandering into semantics...

what we have to bear in mind here is how the TwinStar itself corresponds to this time and how that plays out at the level of psyche. It is a little like the whole idea of Aeons and the rotation of godforms through these Aeons. Right here and now, the TwinStar is an emerging godform in its own right and it has a great empire embedded in its lines and in its principle. This is bigger in its own way than even the Tetractys, since it is the visible form or *worship* as they say...understanding worship to imply direct action...not just passive adoration...

So it's not just some cool symbol...it's a key to attainment itself and we have to be very careful not to confuse or dilute that issue...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Here's something else I found:

Particularly with respect to the ternary system, it isn't clear that it immediately corresponds to the Tree of Life anyway. It obviously interacts with it in a highly synchronistic way but it may well be that its real domain is to the outer edges...the circle being a major pathway as of course the triangle etc...In such a case, having a very calculated way to navigate time-wave relativities may be extremely important to its greater applications...something akin to "surfing" Ouroboros itself, or the "Coils of Tiamat" as they say. These are things that very much need to be investigated and experimented with... Traditionally, of course, the Tai Hsuan Ching was a very time-based sort of "oracle", so time itself figures prominently into this whole equation.

When the matter turns to consciousness, we are talking about Neurogenetic Memory essentially, or something possibly even higher than this, though roughly all about the same thing I think. But our ability, or potential ability, to manipulate time itself may open doors to higher memory systems we ultimately need to activate certain biological circuits...something akin to photosynthesis...until the lights are *on*, certain processes just don't function. I think that tantric and mystical experience on all levels gives us a pretty good clue that this is the case with the human autonomic nervous system...so time is a vital focus.

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

I'm hardly opposing time...lol...

But I am suggesting that the descending triangle as you have it positioned is effectively upstaging, rather than embellishing or supporting, the ascending triangle and its vital components.

so it is creating an explosive situation as it stands. It either needs to come into better symmetrical alignment or switch to a different context where it is not obstructing things.

Look...this may be impossible to explain if you cannot actually work the thing. This has to do with how energy flows through the gridding that has been established. Everything else is all working together...it all supports all parts of itself and encourages aggressive physical action. While I think it looks great and everything, at the level of action the descending triangle comes off like a stop-sign planted right in the middle of the freeway...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

I can dig it, I was just trying out all the layers...

Thanks for your valuable insights...
___________________________

At least the 'Minimalist Chart' makes a great way to
organize, study and meditate on the ternaries...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TrioGramscenter.jpg


{this is post #81, btw}

[m1thr0s]

yeah...I agree with that.

have you tried dropping it down so that it all fits the outer edges of the ascending triangle? I realize you'll lose a few characteristics but you might pick up others...it pays to be thorough...

but for right now...I need to check out for awhile...

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

Keep in mind always that these are not shapes per say at the end of the day, But relationships between principles. The descending triangle is implied within and by the lines of the ascending triangle. It is meant to be empty..that is it's magic, it is the dance floor of space and time. Tiamaat...

grock?

Now get this junior chipmunks. In terms of up and down, left and right, etc. It doesn't fucking matter because that would imply bias based upon a gravity field, and we are way beyond that. What does matter is the integrity of the relationships between elements. This thing is constantly spinning and whirling.

It does not matter which way the damn thing is actually pointing as it is pointing in all directions at once; what does matter is that the lines describe the relationship between the spheres/points.

And there are only 10 points in the TotD. All relationships have to be contained therein.

Once you break outside of those direct relationships, you are in another world. The overlayed/enlarged "opposing" triangle should be contained within the Totd proper, or the relationships lose their integrity, and you have a different beast. As an artistic expression of say a "magnification" of the internal opposing triangle; sure anything goes. But as it relates to what we are bringing forth in principles of being it does indeed smack of extension and not completion. Here's a big clue...one that is known but not firmly nested yet in a lot of minds concerning completion.


10! NOT 11!


Grrr...Good morning.


~D~

[m1thr0s]

lol...thanks Dragon...nicely phrased.

...the principle of *nothing*...what could be simpler? So what is going on here in the image just above these posts is that the whole thing is technically upside down, relative to how *a man stands*. So long as we retain human characteristics, up and down will have some meaning for us. Since the Tree itself is contained within the Tetractys, this may turn out to be a very long time indeed...

for those who have been working with the TwinStar Meditation, this principle is hyphenated in the *switch-back* action on the final descend in Hua Ath-h, where the *Th* loops back around the internal descending triangle...why do we do that? We do it to emphasize this perfect, primordial *nothing* as expressed in the *resulting* descending triangle. As Dragon has illuminated, this is a reciprocal occurrence in the leylines...we never actually do anything to create this *structure* directly...it simply occurs of its own accord as a consequence of everything else having been done correctly. We don't technically even have to do it even on the final descend, it will still *occur* in any case. But it is to our advantage to give it the nod as it were...besides which, it's a very cool sort of action...sophisticated and strong.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

How 'bout a little less Sierpiński (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wac%C5%82aw_Sierpi%C5%84ski):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/SierpinskiTriangle.svg/180px-SierpinskiTriangle.svg.png


And a little more Mandelbrot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beno%C3%AEt_Mandelbrot):

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/18/Mandelpart2.jpg/300px-Mandelpart2.jpg



Matter of Time, too:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/RoundTrio2with418ToL.jpg


Now with Fewer Protrusions...!

____________________


ps - I also re-titled this one:

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=27767&postcount=64

[m1thr0s]

I think your triangle is a stand-alone construct MythMath that can also be superimposed upon itself, ascending and descending and possibly other combinations as well. The triangle itself is very cool...it's organized and it looks good. I'm not so convinced it has any direct bearing on the Tree per se...

Edit: I'm not sure if this will help or not but there are different kinds of *glyphs* that serve different kinds of functions. Abrahadabra has been called a *glyph of the great work in completion* but that may not tell us as much as it could. The term *program* was not used in Crowley's time and much less before his time, yet the so-called Abrahadabra *glyph* might more accurately be called a *program* in the sense that it provides an operating platform for a certain kind of action...it is actually this action that accomplishes *completion*...not so much the *glyph* at all...the *glyph*, or *program*, simply sets up the operating environment in which the actions leading to completion can be performed. This makes it different than glyphs whose principle aim is to categorize and showcase information. It does accomplish this to some extent but since it would actually require many thousands of supporting glyphs to do that business justice, it only accomplishes this in the barest possible manner and this *bare-bones* presentation is actually vital to its higher functionality as a *mirror*, or *program*.

So layering images over Abrahadabra is almost always a little treacherous in nature. Sure, you can in some instances hyphenate one or another important truths, but there always exists a huge risk of confusing the prevailing nature of the glyph itself. This is a difficult thing to clarify but there are parallels all over the place if you are looking for them. Consider the Flower of Life or the Tetractys or the Tree of Life and how *bare bones* these images are also. They have survived down through the ages more in their minimalist forms than in their more ornate or embellished ones and this happens for a reason.

*First Principles* are always the most difficult to ignite...once ignited they tend to snowball all by themselves.

None of this is to suggest that we should somehow not explore all possible angles...these angles will get explored no matter what...if not by us...then by those who come after us. So it might as well be us, but at the same time I am probably always going to defend the sanctity of the unembellished (or minimally embellished) forms over the more stylized and ornate ones because it is my job to do whatever I can do to insure that this core body of knowledge does, in fact, survive...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Just the Facts, Ma'am:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TrioGramscircles2.jpg


Even when starting with circles,
the Triangle form is quickly revealed...

______________________________________


The descending right-to-left format it seems,
is a natural enough layout for the THC...

I basically cued off of this:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TetragramlayoutHALFSIZE.jpg
And the pattern's triplehelix spiraling number arrangement was inspired by the Tridosha itself...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/THCsierpinskicopy.jpg

__________________________


This layout also aligns the I Ching subsets (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=2133) in a fairly clean fashion...

[MythMath]

HermAphroditus

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/AscendingTrioUSEwith418ToLcopy.jpg

The Ankh, a glyph meaning both Mirror and Life

The Key of the Nile - Isis and Osiris

The Mirror of Venus - Aphrodite

Hermes phallic pillar

amalgamated with Aphrodite whereby he learned his great wisdom and magical powers

Becoming her Wise Serpent

Ouroboros

Ophis - king of heaven

revealer of mysteries

Wingless Dragon Ningishzidda

Intertwined doublesexed Sachan

The Balances - Scales, Ma'at

HeavenDaath balancing Jen

Jen - lingam/yoni/spirit

Tantric altarstones

Sma amulet

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/smaglyphcopy.jpg

Knowledge of Divine Power

Forbidden Knowledge

Daath

Jen

keys/locks

mirrors

Gnosis Gender Genitalia

(same etymological roots)

cunning with cunnus, a vulva

fascinating to phallus

staff of life

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/beastglyph.jpg

sol clasped by luna


Prince of Wands / Ace of Discs

____________________


Vajra in the Lotus

ommanipadmehum



The Mirror of Life




:p





{this is post #88, btw}

[m1thr0s]

yeah...I'm really finding the ascending form a lot easier to follow here. Curious that Akasha winds up at the crossing (empress/priestess) which directly corresponds to the 6th Chakra, third-eye etc...called the Cave of the Ancients and many feel this is the core dynamic in the whole Philosopher's Stone mythos anyway...

I'm not as convinced of that personally but it's a reasonable assertion and worthy of all possible due considerations...Paracelsus would seem to be onboard with that premise, among others...I personally believe that the Philosopher's Stone has to be Ain Soph itself (elementally speaking) but there is no denying that it would have to find it's manifestation via the Crossing one way or another... So this form of Akasha is actually depicting where elemental spirit conjoins with consciousness...since even Crown sort of hovers above consciousness as we know it and would class more like super-consciousness, generally speaking...

And it would hardly be surprising to me to discover that the tetractys was the technical key to the Philosopher's Stone anyway...that's actually almost yesterday's news as a matter of fact...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

ever hear of the Meru Yantra?
something to consider when we explore these kinds of maps...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Meru1.jpg

wiki article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Devipuram

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Tetractys=Logos=Ur-Text

Next best thing to Occultem Lapidem... :laugh:


Re: Meru

I hadn't seen the 3D projection before...

And yeah, that's how I'm seeing these glyphs...!


Meru ties in with the pillar/axis mundi nicely...

[m1thr0s]

9-tiered and purported to have been carried on the back of a gigantic tortoise, historically...

curiouser and curiouser...

edit: actually, the relationship of the Chinese mathematics and Ancient Indian cosmology is pretty strong anyway...you have to go way back in time though. Take the Dakinis for instance...the 64 Dakinis to be exact...and Shiva at Center...more correctly Rudhra in those days I suppose...and Durga (also Kali)...later called Shiva & Shakti...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Merudanda

mystic spine

Pingala Ida

sol luna

______________________________

http://www.fengshui-center.ch/IMAGES/Lo%20Shu.gif



9 must be the tortoise's favorite number...

[MythMath]

Trio Ascending (in widdershins)

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Roundascendingtriograms.jpg

[MythMath]

hacking away...



Ternary Decad

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TernaryDecad.jpg

Physics Made Simple


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/PhysicsMadeSimplecopy.jpg

[Naomi]

HermAphroditus






http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/AscendingTrioUSEwith418ToLcopy.jpg









I think that's the triangle the Twinstar was referring to...right there where Hod, Malkuth and Netzach form the lower triangle....maybe the one dipping below the Twinstar triangle's horizon.

The diamond shape dipped really far below the triangle, and given the associations below earth of *hell* and Baphomet's connection to it, I may have been picking up on something real - maybe not useful but interesting...and not garbage after all as I had assumed.

I wonder if this would be a useful technology for opening hellgates, I might be able to apply this to Goetia type Dante stuff...I've sometimes mentioned that Earth is in a sunken state and this isn't as it should be....so it's interesting to me to see the Twinstar triangle resting above the outer triangle, since the Twinstar is sort of a perfect entity of the will of heaven it would seem appropriate.

Thanks mythmath....I'd like to see this one without the tree, just the circles and TS?

[MythMath]

I'll put together something for you, N...

I like how the HermaAphroditus image suggests
this image that we've been discussing recently:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/ThothDevilTwinStar2.jpg

[Naomi]

Yeah for sure, lovely image...

1 in 4 humans is devil!

[MythMath]

TwinStar with
Ascending Ternary Tetractys

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/AscendingTriowith418copy.jpg



TwinStar with
Descending Ternary Tetractys

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/DescendingTriowith418copy.jpg
m1thr0s was not too sure about the application of this Descending motif,
but I like how it defines the central descending triangle
anchored by the fire, spirit and water elements...

It may work well within the Final Closing phase (i.e. Th - 'taw')...

I also include it here because this is how it 'appeared' to me
initially when I uncovered it working out the fractal THC layout...

[MythMath]

I think that's the triangle the Twinstar was referring to...right there where Hod, Malkuth and Netzach form the lower triangle....maybe the one dipping below the Twinstar triangle's horizon.

That protruding triangle reminds me greatly of the points
on the HexStar (made of 6 superimposed TwinStars):

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/HexStarsolo.jpg

[m1thr0s]

m1thr0s was not too sure about the application of this Descending motif,
but I like how it defines the central descending triangle
anchored by the fire, spirit and water elements...I don't care for the hard line down the middle if that's what you are referring to. It breaks rank with the standard being asserted in leylines and opens the door to all kinds of *exceptional* considerations. These should be aknowledged where they may be of value but not placed on an even footing with the body of the TwinStar itself which is rooted solely in numerical and geometric unicursality...the leylines are all part of an ongoing set and this defines fluidity in motion and is also what gives us a sense of organic-ness. This is one of the reasons the commencing action from 10-1 is not expressed as a leyline for instance, even though we rely upon it constantly. But that particular action is not technically part of the overall sequence itself...it is more like a pause between sets since completion always begins at 1 and resolves into 10. This 1-10 pattern is what qualifies the actual set. When expressing organic wholes, it is neither necessary nor advantageous to include peripheral support lines as principals...all it does is make a mess of things by inadvertently placing utility over being...and this is aesthetically improper. Somewhere down the line it'll take a huge bite out your ass... This thing we call a *tool* is more alive than you might suspect...be careful that you do not altogether confuse it with a *gadget*.

Look...any monkey can complicate things and that's mainly what monkeys tend to do. The remarkable thing about the TwinStar is that it is entirely stripped bare of *inessentials*...it is an absolutely pure distillation as it stands and anything you add to it only pollutes it to one degree or another. That's what makes it as strong as it is, so yeah...I will continue to oppose all these little makeshift *additions* because they simply miss the point. The TwinStar is an expression of frictionless perfection...why is it that everybody can't seem to wait to pile this friction or that onto it?

Once you do this...you may have a cool design, but you have lost the essence of the TwinStar....there is no such thing as perfection + 1.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

...anchored by the fire, spirit and water elements...

This reflects a similarity to the Three Mother Letters: Aleph, Mem and Shin.
Aleph is attributed to Air, Mem to Water and Shin to Fire.

[MythMath]

I don't care for the hard line down the middle if that's what you are referring to. It breaks rank with the standard being asserted in leylines and opens the door to all kinds of *exceptional* considerations. These should be aknowledged where they may be of value but not placed on an even footing with the body of the TwinStar itself which is rooted solely in numerical and geometric unicursality...the leylines are all part of an ongoing set and this defines fluidity in motion and is also what gives us a sense of organic-ness. This is one of the reasons the commencing action from 10-1 is not expressed as a leyline for instance, even though we rely upon it constantly. But that particular action is not technically part of the overall sequence itself...it is more like a pause between sets since completion always resolves into 10. When expressing organic wholes, it is neither necessary nor advantageous to include peripheral support lines as principals...all it does is makes a mess of things by inadvertently placing utility over being...and this is aesthetically improper. Somewhere down the line it'll take a huge bite out your ass... This thing we call a *tool* is more alive than you might suspect...be careful that you do not altogether confuse it with a *gadget*.

m1thr0s

No, I wasn't referring to the line,
(I'll ditch it, and repost the graphics)...

I was referring to the descending
arrangement of the 9 THC bigrams...

[m1thr0s]

I'm liking that a lot more than I did at first...I just wasn't used to it but it all seems to make good physical sense at this point...

I'm a little fixated on numerical progressions but the characters have a lot of tricks up their sleeves...it's quite remarkable how that works...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

That center line had no importance to me
(it was 'left over' from the original graphic),
so it has been removed and reposted here:
forums.abrahadabra.com/postcount=99 (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=34046&postcount=99)

It figures that was post #99
considering it features the two
arrangements of the 9 bigrams... :laugh:

(cheers, CatSub...)

[m1thr0s]

ok - thanks MM...sooner or later I needed to address that issue anyway so I'm sort of glad in this case you had nothing serious invested...

I think the whole dynamic of distillation is often missed...we're sort of primed towards embellishment, culturally, economically, etc...sort of always thinking more is better somehow without really giving it that much thought.

but the whole heirachy of magickal squares informs us that less is actually high