Use of Necronomicons/Lovecraft mythos

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Hi
Has anyone come across anything online regarding the use of Necronomicons and Lovecraftian "Old ones" in magick?

[Anibis]

Try Here (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?p=1548#post1548).
-Ibisis-

[fr.novumorganum]

there is a LOT of material around on this. Google will return many hits, as will any trip to an occult bookseller.

[chaos_mage4]

Yes, I agree with the myriad of info on this matter, for example, the book Pseudonomicon, by Phil Hine, I believe talks about this. Also, AJTheMestasis (I'm sorry if I got your name wrong) a member here I believe, and several other forums, is going to get a book published in a little while about this, the Cthulhu Mythos and magick, I believe.
Also, Michael W. Ford's book Luciferian Witchcraft talks about Pazuzu, Tiamat and others.
Hope that helps,
~Christopher

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Yes, I agree with the myriad of info on this matter, for example, the book Pseudonomicon, by Phil Hine, I believe talks about this. Also, AJTheMestasis (I'm sorry if I got your name wrong) a member here I believe, and several other forums, is going to get a book published in a little while about this, the Cthulhu Mythos and magick, I believe.
Also, Michael W. Ford's book Luciferian Witchcraft talks about Pazuzu, Tiamat and others.
Hope that helps,
~Christopher

Cheers. I just got Ford's Luciferian Witchcraft (along with Sennit's Infernal Texts) through the post yesterday. I'm awaiting Tyson's necronomicon, which is supposed to be true to Lovecraft. I wasn't too fond of Simon's version and his attempt to paste Sumerian mythology onto Lovecraft's creations, to be honest.

[chaos_mage4]

IMO, the Simon Necronomicon is more Sumerian than Lovercraftian. You can see many Sumerian Dieties in there, and not many Lovecraft in there, albeit you can, but not as much as Sumerian. Also, IMO, Simonicon is a very good book, and many people I know personally, well sort of lol, use it, and I'm going to be one of them here shortly.
I've heard many people say that Tyson is a poor author. I can't say anything personally, but it's better to get more view than one, IMO.
Yes, I like Michael W. Ford's book a lot, well written, tons of info.
Hope that helped,
~Christopher

[Ci Celli Ddu]

IMO, the Simon Necronomicon is more Sumerian than Lovercraftian. You can see many Sumerian Dieties in there, and not many Lovecraft in there, albeit you can, but not as much as Sumerian. Also, IMO, Simonicon is a very good book, and many people I know personally, well sort of lol, use it, and I'm going to be one of them here shortly.
I've heard many people say that Tyson is a poor author. I can't say anything personally, but it's better to get more view than one, IMO.
Yes, I like Michael W. Ford's book a lot, well written, tons of info.
Hope that helped,
~Christopher

I liked the Simonicon too, it's a real grimoire, but it ain't Lovecraft!
I've just read Tyson's Necronomicon. Here's my review:

This book follows the wanderings of the Mad Arab from Yemen through the southern Arabian desert to Egypt, then Babylonia and finally Damascus. IMO it's a good yarn, and it's exhaustively researched to include every quote Lovecraft ever made from the Necronomicon. IMO it's a very good tribute to Lovecraft and the world he created.

Having said that, from a magickal point of view...

PROs
this book is useful as a guide to Lovecraftian visualisation, and as such I can give it my blessing. It describes in detail the Old Ones, their sigils, the Elder Things, their sigil, as well as the various Cthulhu Mythos regions such as Leng, Yuggoth and Kadath.

But...

CONs
despite it's promising beginning (see link below), which waxes lyrical as should the writings of a Mad Poet, it later wanes lyrically, becoming more of a "matter-of-fact" description of places and events, and does not inspire any dread. The "true" Necronomicon of fiction, as you know, is a book that's supposed to make your hair stand up on end, or at the very least disturb you. The magick of this tome is of little or no use at all (unless you know where to find the mummy of a wizard or want to try Human sacrifices etc) and don't expect anything wierd to happen by just reading it aloud (of course, I wasn't expecting to see any special effects, but the "True" Necronomicon IMO is a grimoire that invokes/evokes the Old Ones merely by reading)

All in all I enjoyed it, and I shall use it for visualisations. It's just a pity it didnt continue as it started:

Excerpt (http://www.llewellyn.com/bookstore/blurb.php?pn=J627&type=Excerpt)

[chaos_mage4]

Well, really, the Simonicon, is the only real Necronomicon out there. But, many say it's a fraud, well, so is many other things, but they still work, which is my point, the Necronomicon works, I've used it I think twice and got results, not to mention the countless people out there that use it and it works.
~Christopher

P.S. Have you read Ford's book yet? I unfortanetly haven't gotten the time to yet, or I would have. I have skimmed it for the most part, and I have to say it's a pretty good book!

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, really, the Simonicon, is the only real Necronomicon out there. But, many say it's a fraud

Well, I can accept that Simon's Necronomicon is a real grimoire, but as we've both said, it's a Sumerian Mythos grimoire and not really a Cthulhu mythos one, and as such I wouldn't call it a real Necronomicon, because a "real" Necronomicon would have to comply 100% with Lovecraft's writing.

As for being a "fraud", any Necronomicon can be called a "fraud" because the "true" Necronomicon is a book that only exists in fiction anyway.

As for Tyson's Necronomicon, well like I said, it complies 100% with Lovecraft's quotations from this non-existant text, but it does not comply with his description of it (i.e. a very scary grimoire).

If you compare the "Simonicon" with the "Tysonicon", both contain what the other lacks: Tyson has the Lovecraftian story and quotes, but Simon has the scary magick. If someone went to the trouble of putting the two together, as it were, then the result would be a truly awesome Necronomicon.

[Qryztufre]

I think that both books are certainly lacking, as the one from Tyson left a bad taste in my mouth, and the one from Simon really wasn't about anything (other then a bastardization of many things).

Neither book left even half the dread reading a single story from Lovecraft did, and I feel that in order for either to hold any weight then combining them may be a start... but only a start.

The followers of the great old one are more primal in nature and the ritualistic/ceremonialist aspects of the Simon tome are far from how it should be.

Read yourself some Lovecraft from noon till night, then light yourself a huge fire. Play some fast paced tribal drums on a radio and dance for 2 or 3 hours till you are ready to simply pass out.

Stop dancing, sit down, and call to the ancient ones.

Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

It may just work...

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Well, by now I think I own every copy there is of the Necronomicon (except the illegible Al Aziz), and I have to say my favourite is without a doubt Tyson's version. In fact, I think I'll have it bound in leather (http://www.renaissance-art.com/catg96/category.aspx) some time soon.

[Mobius_Null]

I do hope to have my book on Kaos flavored Cthulhu Mythos Magick
finished and ready for publication within the next 9 to 11 months.
Granted the practical study and subsequent application of the magick
developed has taken longer than anticipated, but the overall content of
my personally created grimoire shall prove its worth to avid Lovecraftian
magickians.

[MythMath]

Welcome M_N...

Got any images to share...?

[Kuroyagi]

I would be looking forward to a book by you, AJA/Moebius Null! I like your "raw", imaginative style.

[m1thr0s]

Great to see you again Aja...you have arrived just at the point this thing is really beginning to diversify with remarkable strength...

talk about holding your godamm breath...so far so good though...

looking forward to your posts, as always.

m1thr0s

[Mobius_Null]

"It's good to be around the old fellowship again!" [Gods!!! I made that sound like we're stuck in a scene from LOTRs.] :o_O:

[Mobius_Null]

Welcome M_N...

Got any images to share...?


Not as of yet ... "good things come to those who are willing to wait!"

I do hope to have a PDF rough-draft of the currently finished parts of the manuscript in about three weeks. I will be asking close friends to proof-read what I have finished. An author's greatest fear is in failing to convey good coherent information, so I'll see if I've succeeded in doing just that!

:eek:

[fr.novumorganum]

cool, I can't wait to read that

[fr.novumorganum]

http://www.churchofsatan.org/pdf/cults_of_cthulhu.pdf

a good read.

[Mobius_Null]

I apologize for the delay concerning the PDF manuscript I promised awhile back. Currently I'm going through a rather nasty child custody battle with my ex-wife, so I haven't had the time in completing the aforementioned. I will seriously try in getting it (the manuscript) too select readers as soon as I can. Thank you for your patience!

[fr.novumorganum]

no problem. thanks for checking back in, and i hope everything works out for the best in the end.