The Cross of a Frog (liber LXX)

[deviadah]

Read the text: Liber LXX - The Cross of a Frog (http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/lib70.htm)

I am too much of an animal lover and I could never do this, but I was wondering if anyone has? This ritual lies close to my heart because a good friend of mine had an amazing way of reading this text out loud. A nice bedtime story!

...thou shalt arrest the frog, and accuse him of blasphemy, sedition and so forth...

So, any frog crucifiers?

[m1thr0s]

Is that taken from a French Cookbook or something?

I've seen waffle recipes that read almost identical to this...lol...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

It's OTO... but I suspect you were only being a smartass ;)

But seriously has anyone performed this?

My friend told me he read that A.C. did this ritual and remained in his room for days, completly fucked up and out of it! I can't recall what source he got this info from (he told me the tale whilst sharing a joint in 2003)!

I need it resolved, curiosity may kill the cat (but they have 9 lives)!

:cool:

[fr.novumorganum]

the main crux of this ritual is to exorcise christianity from oneself--especially if one takes a heavy christ imprint when working tiphareth (which Crowley did). the fro acts as a surrogate for christ...however I'm sure with some creative thinking something inanimate could take the place

[deviadah]

I understand that much... but would really an inanimate object be the same?

For maxiumum psychological effect (as most magic(k) is) it has got to be alive I feel...

I know where the Prime Minister lives... but then I might have to enjoy the benefits of the ritual in jail. :rofl:

On the other hand I don't need to exorcise Christianity since it isn't rooted within me in the first place. I just find the ritual interesting... and very poetic!

[m1thr0s]

inanimate objects typically don't squirm in agony as nicely as animated ones do...

or say stuff like "Father Toad, Why hast thou forsaken me?"... :no:

m1

[Frater Yechidah]

"Ribbit, why have you, ribbit..."

You could always get a little frog toy, maybe attach some string, have him move a little. Get someone to scream in pain for added effect?

The Exorcism of the Christ

"The Power of Christ compels you! The Power of Christ compels you, Christ, to leave this poor person..." *Christ's head [possibly severed?] twists round, bearing crown of thorns*

Am I the only one who saw that movie? :laugh:

LLLSHJ,
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[MythMath]

This problem was solved a long time ago by Galvani (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani) ...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/Galvani%27s_legs.gif/250px-Galvani%27s_legs.gif Frog legs :p:p (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luigi_Galvani#Frog_legs)

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Did you hear the one about the dyslexic atheist (that was a poor speller) who didn't believe in frogs...?

[Fio Praeter Humanus]

I understand that much... but would really an inanimate object be the same?

Not really, the whole essence is sacrilege. Animal sacrifice which is a big no no in our society and the whole mocking christ with the reenactment with such a lowly animal as a frog. For Crowley this was his ultimate sacrilege. For you it may not be.

You would have to search your mind for the worst possible offense you can find to your conceptions of God or divinity. It could be burning the bible, worshiping satan, or if you were a hindu I guess killing a cow eating part of it's meat and throwing the rest in the gutter to rot and go to waste. Use your imagination.

Break your bonds, spit on the alter, pee in the communion wine, whatever...

[deviadah]

As I stated earlier I don't need to do all this. I have already done it... I am only wondering if anyone had experimented with this ritual, and I can add to the mix; has anyone done anything offensive towards a certain religion?

Personally I broke the spell when I was seven giving the finger to the Christ on the Cross in the Church my teacher took us to for some sort of service... I never cared much for organised religion and I have no moral problem treating it like a piece of shit.

My ethics lies amongst animals and people I love - and nature. Not some heavenly Santa Claus!

When I was down and out, a few years ago, I discovered that one can get free candles from the Church (I love to have candles around me)!

Some people would think such a theft to be morally horrid, I don't. The church has forced me to give my tax to them over the years anyway (pre-division of church and state) so I'm only taking back what is mine (since I don't like to give something that I was never asked if I wanted to give)!

:cool:

I also like to write small notes of gnosis in the Bibles one finds in Hotels all over the world!

[fr.novumorganum]

to you original point, it is a beautiful ritual. there's a reason AC is still worth reading after all:cool:

[m1thr0s]

I am only wondering if anyone had experimented with this ritual, and I can add to the mix; has anyone done anything offensive towards a certain religion?no to the first question, yes to the second...

I really feel like some rituals can be "performed" more or less by assimilating them into your psyche, so even just reading some rituals can amount to performing them. I realize that opens things up to accusations of "armchair magicianship" but I think that this is mostly just a trendy soundbite anyway.

Now on the second issue you have to remember that I really am a satanist/protosatanist (philosophically) so yes...I have played out a fairly extensive list of "offenses against god" over time...up to and including doing everything in my natural power to bring that construct crashing to its knees...this is actually an ongoing project as you might well imagine and is much a matter of interpretation whether it would be "true god" or "bullshit god" I am gunning for...but something's gonna go down and hit the godamm dirt but hard or I will not feel I have done what needed to be done in this life. It is my belief that certain kinds of paradigm shifts have the general effect of dismantling entire macrocosmic constructs, more or less for good, so I know what I am about and I am a dangerous foe in this particular regard. In any case, I believe in toppling corrupt governments whenever possible and the bigger they are...the better I like it.

More than this I do not feel it too important to elaborate...these are personal matters and I am not trying to raise an army to this effect or anything...on second thought...an army would actually be pretty cool, but it's not any kind of working priority.

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

...it is a beautiful ritual...
So true, and I think it is also funny... but then I have been told my humor is very dry (although it is always Americans who tell me this... culture-shocks perhaps).


I really feel like some rituals can be "performed" more or less by assimilating them into your psyche, so even just reading some rituals can amount to performing them. I realize that opens things up to accusations of "armchair magicianship" but I think that this is mostly just a trendy soundbite anyway.

:laugh: Truth always makes me laugh!

It is all the mind anyway, such accusations have no merit. A.C. - although he did things - was sitting in his armchair for the greater part of his life... how else could he have written so much?

In any case, I believe in toppling corrupt governments whenever possible and the bigger they are...the better I like it...

And the bigger they are the harder they fall; and it doesn't get bigger than God (when one looks at corrupt GOVERNment(al)s...

...an army would actually be pretty cool, but it's not any kind of working priority.

How do you know so much about my fantasies? :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

I actually impressed myself with something I said one time...just one of those little epiphanies that falls out mid-sentence. I think it probably happens to most of us at least occasionally.

Anyway, the topic was "how to slay a god" (roughly corresponding to this thread) and I don't recall the exact phrasing but I said that the best way to slay a god is to render it obsolete. To do this you have to hone in on its principles and its services.

If people discover that they don't really need a god to perform whatever services it was presumed to perform, they will naturally disengage any personal dependency upon it at that level.

If people discover that certain principles corresponding to a god are more correctly the province of science or nature or some other more universally accessible realm, its mystery will be blown to bits and people will disengage at that level.

Which renders the thing effectively dead on arrival at that point...

So not all satanists are as dumb as the WallMart variety...it takes a lot of hard work to slay a god deeply entrenched in the public psyche but there are certain clear-cut methods as to how this can in fact be accomplished...at least at the personal level...but that's where significant evolutionary progress really begins anyway.

don't get me wrong though...playing around with these forces can still be fun and useful...
it's supposed to be fun and useful, as a matter of fact...

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

...the best way to slay a god is to render it obsolete.
Nice!

I might quote that in the future!

:cool:

I think education is too blame for a lot of the power of these false gods. Even in Sweden were creationism is definitely not on the curriculum I see this going on.

Proof of indoctrination is that the subjects I should have got top grades in I only got average, because I loved them so much I tried to take these subjects further - and the educational system just puts on the breaks (the subjects were study of religion and history).

If people discover that they don't really need a god to perform whatever services it was presumed to perform, they will naturally disengage any personal dependency upon it at that level.

The great problem about making this happen is to get people to understand their independence. This is easier said than done, since most folks think they are independent! And if you tell them they ain't... well they will get mad and call you an arrogant fucker! Somehow they have to be given the tools to realise it for themselves.

That is much more attractive.

I think the most powerful tool is the ability to question and think for yourself, and it is in this field that the educational system fails!

"Teacher... leaver those kids alone!" :laugh:

Unbrainwashing, for lack of a better word, is an important experience in order for the mental evolution to go into a higher gear. I am unbrainwashing myself daily. Often it is, even for me, difficult.

As a kid I used to love Christ Mass and I still have fond memories, but as I got older the tradition and the corporate decorations clashed with my personal ethics. I could not face myself in the mirror if I didn't quit X-mas... and so I did. And I think this was one of the earliest real unbrainwashings... it opened up a whole field of possibilities.

It might sound not like such a big deal, but for me it was X-mas and for someone else something else!

But once you start, there ain't no stopping!

:)

[m1thr0s]

The great problem about making this happen is to get people to understand their independence. This is easier said than done, since most folks think they are independent! And if you tell them they ain't... well they will get mad and call you an arrogant fucker! Somehow they have to be given the tools to realise it for themselves.

That is much more attractive.I agree with this...that has to be the way we go about encouraging independent action...by attending to the methods that make this possible...in essence...by illuminating the "way" these things can (or even must) happen...

You can't tell people what to do...it just doesn't work.
You can only tell them what can be done...they have to decide what to do for themselves...
And really...this benefits everybody anyway because none of us necessarily has all contingencies covered to begin with. Encouraging independent thought and action also encourages a more comprehensive grasp of whole issues as individuals bring their own unique abilities to bear...

m1thr0s