Ningishzidda FAQ's

[deviadah]

You might have stumbled upon the name Ningishzidda, or Ng, during your visits to Abrahadabra Forums. I have taken the liberty to compile a FAQ so you quickly can get into this area. Now this FAQ won't have all the answers, but it might bring a lot of information together in the hope that you yourself might spawn an idea, or at least feel less lost in discussions concerning Ningishzidda. For a lengthy thread on the subject see: Ningishzidda: The First Satan? (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=325) or the article Ningishzidda Rising (http://www.abrahadabra.com/ningishzida.rising.htm).


NINGISHZIDDA - Frequently Asked Questions



Who or what is Ningishzidda?

Well there is no short and clear answer to this question. But Ningishzidda, or Ng was the wife and mother of Dumuzi, and an ancestor of Gilgamesh. The whole family tree is very complicated with several names for each individual, which just adds to the confusion. To simplify Ng can be viewed as the serpent-god of Mesopotamia and also as the mother goddess, or goddess of the earth/underworld.

To generalize even further Ng could be viewed as an earlier version of Hermes.

It's [Ng] an archetype like Set or Lucifer or any other really. It's very old, corresponds to a whole class of serpentine archetypes...



How is Ningishzidda spelled?

There are many different ways to spell this word.

I am partial to *Ningishzidda* for purely personal reasons since it classes as an 11-letter word (viewing *sh* as a shin) whose notaricon (vowels removed) adds to 418 = Abrahadabra. The proof of this is here: N=50 + N=50 + G=3 + Sh=300 + Z=7 + D=4 + D=4 = 418. Nevertheless, the more accepted spelling is Nin + Gish + Zida = Ningishzida, so you will tend to find more links under that spelling.

Other spellings are: Ningishzida, Ningizzida, Ningiszida, Ninjiczida, Ninñišzidda and others.



How is Ningishzidda represented?

As two serpents entwined around a rod. Ng is a polarity (duality).

Duality suggests a division in things whereas Polarity is hyphenating an organic Unity. Ebb & Flow are not a Duality but a Polarity and the very pulse of Life itself. We find this distinction hammered out over and over again in the attempt to clarify the true nature of Yin & Yang to the western world which seems hell-bent on breaking everything down into Dualities. The Chinese would argue most adamantly that Yin & Yang are not a Duality but rather a Polarity extant in all living things.



What does Ningishzidda got to do with Satanism?

Without going into a detailed account of the history of Satanism, or Luciferianism, let me simply state that if Ng is an ancient form of Isis, and Isis is a representation of Venus then we have a clear connection since Venus is the morning star, and that is what Lucifer represents.

Another more obvious connection is the fact that there was a Sepent in the Garden of Eden, an Ng is a serpent god.

...while the symbolism of the serpent in Genesis is true to its Hebrew origins, the name (or term) Satan never actually appears in the original text. This is a Christian association that was added on much later.



So what's the deal with this Serpent?

The serpent is an ancient symbol of wisdom and transformation and can be found represented in most religions and cultures in some form or another, often of a cosmic nature.

In astrology the serpent is featured as the 13th sign of the zodiac known as Ophiuchus Serpentarius (or Ophiuchusm), the Serpent Holder, which lies between Scorpio and Sagittarius. Plato called this 13th sign the God of the Underworld and later the Christians of the mediaeval ages changed it into the figure of St. Paul holding a viper before abandoning it altogether. Here again we see a God of the Underworld, as Ng was the Goddess of the Underworld (recall that Ng is a polarity).



So is it Ningishzidda that is crawling on the Caduceus of Hermes?

Yes...

“…traced as far back as 2600 B.C.E. The caduceus is depicted on the Libation Cup of Gudea [see image at the end of this post], a Sumerian artifact that was made around 2000 B.C.E., and Thoth is shown holding an early Egyptian caduceus in a mural at the Temple of Seti I that dates from 1300 B.C.E. The tall staff, the magic wand of Hermes, is topped by a winged solar disk with two serpents wrapped around a staff three times – a subtler reminder that the owner of the staff is the thrice greatest one. According to the immortal French alchemist Nicholas Flamel, the two serpents of the caduceus are the snakes or dragons which the ancient Egyptians painted in the form of a circle, each biting the other’s tail, in order to teach that they spring of and from One Thing.” from The Emerald Tablet – Alchemy for Personal Transformation by David William Hauck

The famous Staff of Asclepius with a single serpent wrapped around it possibly became a symbol of medicine and healing because infections by parasitic worms were common. It is often confused with the Caduceus



Ningishzidda and Alchemy

So, apart from being an earlier form of the twined serpents on the Caduceus, Ng can also be viewed - in alchemical terms - as:

Ng=The Ambrosia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambrosia), or Venom or also Dew [see below] of the Ouroboros (http://www.spirasolaris.ca/sbb4f.html) Serpent itself... it's a word formula for The Philosophers Stone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher's_stone)... or the original immortality elixir...

In alchemy dew "is symbolic of divine incarnation or manifestation from Above. Alchemists believed natural dew contained the divine Salt (thoughts of the One Mind) that could transform the Sulfur and Mercury of the First Matter. In many ways, dew represented the Elixir or contents of the cup of God, the Holy Grail." - from the Alchemy Electronic Dictionary (http://www.alchemylab.com/dictionary.htm)



Ningishzidda and the TwinStar

Wait, there's more...

In the TwinStar (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar001.htm) it [Ng] pulls an unexpected surprize... if you use the full name to run your leylines you get N=1, I=2, N=3, G=(-), I=4, Sh=5, Z=6, I=7, D=8, D=9, A=10... so that N+G comes to occupy the same space in Ain Soph Aur (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=22870&postcount=41) in the Abrahadabra Grid... To make matters weirder the notaricon (ie vowels only) on the formal name adds to 418...

"Lift up thyself! for there is none like unto thee among men or among Gods! Lift up thyself, o my prophet, thy stature shall surpass the stars. They shall worship thy name, foursquare, mystic, wonderful, the number of the man; and the name of thy house 418." - Aleister Crowley from Liber AL vel Legis (http://www.sacred-texts.com/oto/engccxx.htm) (The Book of the Law)

Some links:
TwinStar (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar001.htm)
TwinStar Meditation Revamp... (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=1764)
a question re: The TwinStar (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=335)
Exploring some Twin Star 'Lines' (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2003)



So what's the deal with Ningishzidda and DNA?

Well the image of two entwined serpents resemble the double-helix. Ng created the human race, after the world was flooded as told in the Epic of Gilgamesh (and later mirrored in Genesis).

In the Sumerian creation story, humankind is not just created from fairy dust or mud or whatever but came about as an expression of this breeding technology. Ng was given the task of producing an animal smart enough to serve as a suitable workforce, and humankind was the result...part animal, part god in essence.

It doesn't necessarily mean that Ng was some sort of clinical DNA scientist per se or that the Sumerians were involved in anything resembling modern DNA research etc... And yet there are numerous indicators that genetics itself was understood on some very sophisticated levels by ancient peoples.

Ng exists, to paraphrase m1thr0s, completely outside of the DNA Code itself and yet it retains proximity via the greater 729 Code, add to this that in Abrahadabra it can be shown to originate in Ain Soph (Aur) (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=22870&postcount=41). What all this means is still not defined!


Hey wait a minute has this got anything to do with Shape-shifting lizards?

Yes and no.

Yes = Ng is serpentine and could be viewed as a lizard (as they have similar features). And some cultures refer to lizards instead of serpents.

No = David Icke might be correct that the world is run by elitist scumbags, but not that Ng is the force driving them. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion, but if Ng equals DNA then of course these scumbags have DNA in their system - but so do you!

http://abrahadabra.com/images/Ng01.gif (http://www.abrahadabra.com/ningishzida.rising.htm)

Hope this was helpful, and if you want to dive deeper into this I yet again recommend the following links:

Thread: Ningishzidda: The First Satan? (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=325)
Article: Ningishzidda Rising (http://www.abrahadabra.com/ningishzida.rising.htm)

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[Moxormog]

Wow, Thank you.

[Anibis]

I found this link (http://alchemy-forums.forumotion.com/history-of-alchemy-f8/ningishzidda-t79.htm#379). Naomi has a very stellar image of Ng poster here.
-A-

[m1thr0s]

Great work d...what can I say...Ng kicks ass...

According to some experts in this field of study the upcoming Aeon is assigned to Ningishzidda. We find these kinds of assertions in various places pertaining to different pantheons, since all evolved pantheons constitute a kind of cosmic clockwork mechanism. It is not so significant viewed only as a cosmetic "changing of the guard" in itself...

What is significant is that it predicts the re-emergence of a most ancient alchemical tradition coordinating head-on with the Information Age in the modern era. Since the type of alchemy Ng was involved in was inherently genetic in nature, the suggestion would be that the Aeon of Ng will find us rediscovering Genetic Alchemy at an accelerated pace & levels.

time will tell...

m1thr0s

[Frater SI]

Thanks for this Intro I was wondering what our Lady Naomi was going on about :) Funny I find allot of links to the whole lucifer , Lumiel , tubal cain ,venus , christ in Ng to .. The authors make some pretty good connections in the Tubal Cain and fallen angels book ..

[deviadah]

Funny I find allot of links to the whole lucifer , Lumiel , tubal cain ,venus , christ in Ng to...
True... Ng pops up both here and there!

Now when you feel you got the jist of Ng join the thread: Ng: The First Satan? (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=325)

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[m1thr0s]

As a matter of form it should be pointed out that the feminine form of Ningishzidda is not the only form we find, historically speaking. There are two gender forms, as a matter of historical fact, which makes Ng just that more intriguing.

I have not committed an entire lifetime to uncovering this whole mystery but from what I can tell it is the masculine form that is almost certainly the oldest...yet we do find references to Ng as stated in the above coming a bit later in history. Exactly why this occurs is not clear to me but there does exist some historical evidence to suggest two gender forms, both identified as Ningishzidda.

In one sense at least it really doesn't break form in any remarkable way that this should happen in the case of Ningishzidda anyway, representing as it does the balance of yin and yang even from the earliest known depictions. But the dominant gender of this godform seems to have shifted from male to female over time and I am not clear whether this actually did occur as a matter of historical transitioning, or whether this is due to conflicting interpretations of ancient texts in modern times.

I have heard it said that Ningishzidda was a TwinGod form, even from the very beginning, although I have not been able to confirm this specifically. It does introduce another intriguing speculation at least...

Not to confuse things, but Ng is a complex archetype/godform...

m1thr0s

[Kuroyagi]

Thanks, dev., I have followed this subject from the beginning on the other forum, with much interest. This is a very fascinating God and archetype, indeed. Everyone who contributed from m1thr0s, Q, SatsUrn- up to this forum and yours (dev.) with Naomi and the academics on Enuru have given me new insights. Just recently I thought how all the "components" of the classical Chinese dargon are already present (pre-figured?) in the image on Gudea's Cup: the bird's feet, the stags horns, the snakes that "became" the dragon's body and so on...it's not my own line of research but I am definitely enjoying and using the results everyone is contributing here!

Best wishes to all from K. :)

[Naomi]

I'm debunking his before it gets further drawn into the realm of complete woo-wooism...


So far as the original question you asked, after surveying some sources, we could address that. Part of what the original poster stated was:

"Ningishzidda, or Ng was the wife and mother of Dumuzi"

This logic train seems in so far as Ive seen, to be basically inaccurate before it even goes anywhere. While Ningishzida had as a fundamental aspect a fertilizing principal, this does not make him a mother goddess. While he was conceptually related to Dumuzi and even identified with wth the latter as a 'Dying god of fertility', this doesn't make Ningishzida that gods mother or wife. And beyond abundant indication in the myths of Ningishzida as male (I dont know any text that suggests otherwise) there is also the philological comment which Amarsin contributed earlier. (See the 'Ningishzidda and Gizzida names?' thread):

"The Sumerian "nin" means, in general, "queen" and is a common first element in Sumerian divine names. However, as this example (and many others) show, the "nin" must also refer to the masculine. Nin-gišzida is the son of Nin-azu, and so decidedly male. (Indeed, Nin-azu is Nin-gišzida's father, while his wife (and so Nin-gišzida's mother) is Nin-girida!)"


Besides a rigid view of nin as female, which as we see here is incorrect, the layman may arrive at Ningishzida as female or even as a mothergoddess by reading the below link, which I think seems pretty close to what the original poster was saying Lady H.

http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterThree/TowerOfBabel.htm (http://www.mazzaroth.com/ChapterThree/TowerOfBabel.htm)

However I dont believe Jim Cromwell is in anyways textually or factually amenable hrm from what Ive sifted through. So the question was "In your (scholarly) opinion, is the above paragraph in quotes true or not true?"
I dont have a scholarly opinion, but no. More to come on Ningishzida! I love an obscure deity

Ningishzidda is not a fucking mother deity....period.

[deviadah]

Ningishzidda is not a fucking mother deity....period.
Is gender such an issue?

What effects does a gender change have in your opinion?

[Naomi]

It's a tremendous issue. The entire basis of gender in humanity is polarized into yin and yang, two vastly different principles on a grand scale, the first two emergences of the one. From ground level this means shit to the absolute but in human perspective it defines very important aspects of Ningishzidda himself.

The fact that he is a male aspect of the sky gods acting in the underworld has important symbolic implications, as opposed to say an underworld based female goddess such as Ereshikigal. Ningishzidda in this capacity is awarded a position of authority in the underworld unexpectedly while Erishikigal is the queen of the underworld. It's an interesting juxtaposition and one worth looking at from the accurate anthropological record.

[Naomi]

Alright I'll simmer down!!!!

[deviadah]

From that perspective I guess gender is an issue, but I always saw polarities/dualities as two opposites that are supposed to merge i.e. Ng contain parts of both. Then of course there is the whole debate as to the physical issue of Ng. A human, a demon, a god, a starship, a fantasy, a metaphor, allegory... of course the answer to that we can only speculate. We will never know for sure unless there is some great discovery made!

Sometimes depicted as male and sometimes female gender... Ningishzida comprises one of the widest ranges of attributions of any godform ever recorded, from the Mother of Dumuzi in some instances to the younger son of Ea (or Enki) in others and rival to his elder brother Marduk, who was fundamentally a pompous thug by way of comparison. In the Sumerian creation cycle, it is Ningishzida who is called the Guardian of the Tree of Life and Keeper of the Gate of Heaven while also serving as Lord of the Underworld in his Mushushu Dragon form. He/She not only created humanity but also guides and protects it. - from Ningishzida Rising (http://www.abrahadabra.com/ningishzida.rising.htm)

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[m1thr0s]

Right, I accept the two-fold nature of Ng according to its symbolism which is universally balanced male and female, the same as yin and yang. Having said that though, I have also learned that the least reliable informations we have access to are inevitably those portraying Ng as predominantly feminine. I don't think of Ng as feminine on a personal level but I can identify its feminine aspects through other iconographic standards such as Nu Kua and others...when the issue of dominance comes into play, I still regard Ng as predominantly masculine.

m1thr0s

[deviadah]

...when the issue of dominance comes into play, I still regard Ng as predominantly masculine.

One could say of Ng, as one does of women that are like men, that s/he is BUTCH!

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[m1thr0s]

well, sure...one can say all kind of things I guess...

there are a lot of things we stand to benefit from Ningishzidda if he is male that we don't as much if he is female, so this may also be a factor. As a male, he also sets a kind of genetic standard of maleness generally that profits humankind as a prototype...there are are all kinds of factors that enter into things on this...

m1thr0s