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MythMath
12-17-2007, 12:07 AM
A recent image by Naomi inspired this one:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TwinStarHexcopy.jpg
m1thr0s
12-17-2007, 01:26 AM
yeah...I like that one too. I'm a minimalist, so while I appreciate the organizational aspects of the more ornate images, when it gets right down to it I always prefer the least possible amount of clutter...just so long as the clutter is there when I need it I guess.
I also feel like the more simplified forms work better as meditational guides...possibly because so much is left open at the level of energy dialog, as though everything is implied but no one aspect of things is dominating the discussion...so a wider range of freeform meanderings is inherently achieved better...
Asian art has excelled at this form...the whole Zen thing generally...also Egyptian art...not sure how many cultures have gravitated to this...
m1thr0s
deviadah
12-18-2007, 06:10 PM
Yeah, simplicity is beauty is one of my own personal maxims... it's funny though how normal people, or non-artistic ones at least, think that simplicity is easy!
In fact it can often be much more difficult than something complicated. One reason is because if it is complicated it can be wrong, because who can be asked to check it. If it is simple the faults stand out like a tumor, so one has to be on the ball.
Then with certain works there is of course no right or wrong...
:cool:
Nice image MM!
m1thr0s
12-20-2007, 03:21 AM
The formula of VIAOV works extremely well with that one MM, since it can be paired off to the 5's and 6's unicursally and in either directions...
And as always...the compulsory disclaimer...VIAOV is just an exemplary formula that hyphenates the "Lord of the Horizon" or TwinGod formula generally...
And no...I'm not going to spoon-feed it to anybody (I begin to see this doesn't work anyway)...slam it and see...it's the only way to earn your wings...but I can guarantee you that it's hot...
m1thr0s
MythMath
12-20-2007, 04:00 AM
My friend, I'm not sure what you consider spoonfeeding,
but I'd appreciate if you could just point me toward the
grocery store... :yes:
You haven't worked up an article
(that I've managed to miss reading)
that discusses the VIAOV formula have you...?
(I just did a search here and read through
the few posts where VIAOV was discussed...)
And I googled and came up with Liber Samekh,
but there's a better source for this info, ain't there...?
m1thr0s
12-20-2007, 04:17 AM
The formula of VIAOV was another of AC's innovations and he went way beyond himself on that one...as usual it is scattered across a ˝ dozen books or so. His interest, in part, was that it adds to 93...but in the pentagram it gives us Twin-Vau's at arms, and this is iconographically (read holographically) reminiscent of the TwinGod formulas so prevalent in alchemical literature and exalted in Egypt and Babalon and found throughout many cultures all over the globe.
It basically gives us an *updated* IAO formula suited in all respects to the formula of Abrahadabra.
But scrying itself is something you really have to sort out how to come to terms with and I know of no way to hand anybody that realization...nobody ever handed it to me and I think it is perhaps better that they did not. If you need it, you hammer out the details...if you don't, you probably won't. Either way gets no particular judgment from me...these things happen when they are ready to happen.
I may draw up some more glyphs but I am finding myself tiring of the effort these days...it seems to set one on a course there is no getting off of...very expensive...very time-consuming, and people seem to take 1000 examples for a lack of there being 1200...1500...whatever...
So for now I can report that the formula is very solid...leaning to high-explosive actually.
m1
MythMath
12-20-2007, 04:29 AM
Can I help it if your site is the locus
of the focus for all this hocus pocus...? :p
Here's a post from earlier this year:
showpost=15 (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=14712&postcount=15)
And I won't mind if you don't make all 1500 glyphs...
m1thr0s
12-20-2007, 04:40 AM
well...you have more than you think you do MM...but I will try to get around to this. It's not complicated...like many things of a fractal nature, the maps don't really convey the vibratory dynamism...they're just maps at the end of the day...better than no map perhaps and better than a bad map but not the thing itself at all...
I have a long history with VIAOV so it's especially challenging communicating it all...it can be worked in either the LoShu or TwinStar configurations and has a certain *champion* quality about it...it's a fighter...it goes where nothing else will go and cleans the living crap out of things...brings back the goods time and time again...very loyal...very *on the job*. I really don't know how the hell any freaking map could adequately illuminate these qualities...
m1thr0s
MythMath
12-20-2007, 05:06 AM
Not looking for the map as a shortcut for the actual journey,
as much as an accurate way to avoid potentially wrong off-ramps...
It's hard to imagine how many years of bad turns
I've already 'saved' by having found your work first...
Thanks again for that, by the way... ;)
_________________
edit: And I dig that there's more than just 'one way'...
m1thr0s
12-20-2007, 05:44 AM
well...it's great to see people taking off on these ideas since the ideas themselves are about as inexhaustible as anything I have yet encountered. Not many things can really claim that in my view...and I do acknowledge a certain temperament, perhaps even an inescapable *observer bias*, since I know of no way anyone can ever really be rid of that anyway...
Not everybody is suited to approaching the ineffable at the level of its physics. Of this I am painfully aware, but it really doesn't matter all that much since I am not inducting anybody into anything anyway. It is nevertheless a physicists job to account for all contingencies, whether those contingencies wish to play along or not. If one does one's job right...then everything's *ass* is ultimately covered and when the time is right that difference in understanding will amount to options existing where no suitable options existed without it...
so on it goes...
m1thr0s
fr.novumorganum
12-20-2007, 04:02 PM
MM
you may want to read a few of these:
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/aba/chap5.html
http://www.hermetic.com/crowley/aba/chap7.html
actually, this is one of the books that everyone working theory and practice of magick in a serious way should/must read.
MythMath
12-20-2007, 09:22 PM
Much obliged, fr.novum... :yes:
fr.novumorganum
12-20-2007, 09:48 PM
IAO is the formula of magick. It is the way things reproduce and recreate themselves through extension and specialization. (The Book of Wisdom and Folly, 1988) “I” represents the monad or the phallus. Its actions do not produce change within, but only “out of itself.” “O” represents the yoni or the female, which changes through addition, subtraction or multiplication. It represents matter that is capable of taking on form. The union of the “I” and the “O” would create the triad, or the world formed by the two creative principals out of matter. “A” would then represent the conjunction between these two principles.
[edit (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php?title=IAO&action=edit§ion=3)]
Transformation into VIAOV
Crowley, wanting to make IAO fit within the new Aeon (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Aeon), added the Hebrew letter Vau to both ends, which he then called the “proper hieroglyph of the Ritual of Self-Initiation in this Aeon of Horus” (Crowley, 1997). The new word, VIAOV (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php?title=VIAOV&action=edit) (also FIAOF), enumerates to 93 (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/93), just as Thelema (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Thelema) and Agape (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Agape) do. Of the person who travels through this new process, Crowley writes,
Thus, he is Man made God, exalted, eager; he has come consciously to his full stature, and so is ready to set out on his journey to redeem the world. But he may not appear in this true form; the Vision of Pan (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Pan) would drive men mad with fear. He must conceal Himself in his original guise. He therefore becomes apparently the man that he was at the beginning; he lives the life of a man; indeed, he is wholly man. But his initiation (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Initiation) has made him master of the Event by giving him the understanding that whatever happens to him is the execution of this true will.
m1thr0s
12-20-2007, 10:20 PM
http://abrahadabra.com/images/khensu01.gif
Khensu
http://abrahadabra.com/images/phoenix02.gif
Hermes Phoenix
a couple of important twingod forms to be aware of...both forms of Thoth, and by extension, Ningishzidda...
m1thr0s
m1thr0s
12-21-2007, 01:41 AM
Thus, he is Man made God, exalted, eager; he has come consciously to his full stature, and so is ready to set out on his journey to redeem the world. But he may not appear in this true form; the Vision of Pan (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Pan) would drive men mad with fear. He must conceal Himself in his original guise. He therefore becomes apparently the man that he was at the beginning; he lives the life of a man; indeed, he is wholly man. But his initiation (http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Initiation) has made him master of the Event by giving him the understanding that whatever happens to him is the execution of this true will.people never seem to tire of bitching about Crowley, and really, I have no qualms with that, but like it or not...he sees things...he has seen into the future in ways that only the future itself will be able to validate. That doesn't make him perfect...people need to get the fuck over this whole jesus-expectation with regards to gifted persons living in their midst...take the good they have to offer and get over yourselves as regards the rest...truth is...it's actually none of your damn business anyway. He doesn't meet your definition of a godamm master magician? boo fucking hoo...that's just a game people...do you honestly not know that it's just a godamm game?
It's fascinating that he links this formula to the process of self-initiation in particular. That's what makes it "horus-like" - it battles from within and doesn't seem to give a flying crap about any other rank and file. It possesses authority and skill on its own merits and has an uncanny ability to cut through the crap as I have said... remarkable formula...simple and ruthless...beautiful and relentless...tireless champion among its peers from my time with it at least. Beats the crap out of IHShVH by way of comparison...which is also not a bad formula...but in its place, which I suppose one has to learn through action.
m1thr0s
MythMath
12-21-2007, 01:57 AM
http://abrahadabra.com/images/khensu01.gif
Khensu
http://abrahadabra.com/images/phoenix02.gif
Hermes Phoenix
a couple of important twingod forms to be aware of...both forms of Thoth, and by extension, Ningishzidda...
m1thr0s
All the resident Geminis are grinning... :yes::yes:
m1thr0s
12-21-2007, 02:04 AM
sure...but be careful not to reduce too much to lesser manifestations...there is "male-female, quintessential one" left hanging in the balance... these forms speak to something very core at an anatomical level...
but having said that - sure - why not gemini? also pisces I suppose...cancer, any others? a persistent theme apparently...
m1
MythMath
12-21-2007, 02:15 AM
I was just observing that myself, naomi and deviadah
(all geminis) have been involved in this thread...
We all seem to resonate strongly with the twinstar
and/or caduceus a/o mercury/thoth a/o ng, etc...etc...
m1thr0s
12-21-2007, 02:21 AM
oh yeah...these things are important...
I understand that stuff...I'm a water dragon for xst sake...you think that doesn't give me certain insights to Nu Kua? Of course it does...
a pinch of caution and you can afford it all...even the slightly silly stuff...what the hell...
I should show you guys my natal sometime although it might scare the crap out of some...I've got the boldest TwinStar you ever saw right there in my natal chart (points connected perfectly and standing upright...I shit you not)...never even saw the damn thing until I was in my latter thirties...long after all this work began... I don't usually put that much stock in astrology but that one set me back a notch.
all these little patterns add up...
m1thr0s
m1thr0s
12-21-2007, 03:12 AM
I need to return to the IHShVH business for just a second. To begin with you need to understand that this is not a stand-alone formula...that's where all the trouble has crept in. The Word of Perfection is clear about this and if you don't grok it, then you need to learn a little about the Rule of Mathematics at the highest levels of formula magickal operations...
The formula of IHShVH is actually a two-part formula at its core. The complete spelling is IHShVH - IVShHH and emphasizes a left and right hemispheres balancing twelve banners against the middle. But it doesn't stop there. That's actually just the Earth part of the whole equation. The Heaven part is AHShIH - AIShHH and the final Man part is AHShVH - AVShHH. What we are doing here is simply taking the triune unity of AHIH - AHVH - IHVH and adjoining them to Shin (Sh) = Spirit - then balancing them out according to a very specific lean that can be understood in terms of Bigrammaton itself. I won't go deeply into that right now but the gist of it is that there are two kinds of elemental rotations which can be derived from placing the four bigrams in a circle balanced against the left and right pillars of the Tree of Life. The Yin rotation will always yield { + | - | + | - }, while the Yang rotation will always read { + | + | - | - } looking at them straight on. There are only two of these and no more which - in letter values - will give us AHIH (yin) - AIHH (yang) to Heaven, AHVH (yin) - AVHH (yang) to Man and IHVH (yin) - IVHH (yang) to Earth.
All the other usual kabbalistic rubbish about crap encrypted in sacred passages and such is flat gibberish and people can believe it all they want to but it will never actually meet any kind of rational, logical standards...it's all operating from a whole other set of assumptions and has very little to do with any kind of legitimate physics to begin with...
So the upshot is that the formula of IHShVH does indeed have its place in the physics proper and actually is a very capable TwinStar formulaic - but you will have to make a few adjustments to the traditional blah blah blah to get to anything which can or should be relied upon to carry your entire psychic structure...it's up to you...it's your ass afterall...but these computations are not in error and can be validated each person on their own initiative in their own good time and so on...
so enough on that for now...
m1thr0s
MythMath
12-21-2007, 03:28 AM
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_TwinStarHexcopy.jpg
Damn, I guess a picture is worth a thousand words... :p
I sure am looking forward to the day when I
can understand and apply all of this... :yes:
m1thr0s
12-21-2007, 03:36 AM
this is all elemental stuff MM as applied via the agency of incanted Word. Sound unites all things together in Harmonic *conditions* which we may set at our discretion (from the very simple to the exceedingly intricate)...it is the key to actually linking all this beautiful visual stuff to the flesh and bones of physical existence. You must learn to manipulate sound to be a capable Body of Light practitioner...Light alone is simply not enough...it takes both.
and suddenly we are right back at synergy again...and again...and again...
m1thr0s
MythMath
12-21-2007, 03:51 AM
You must learn to manipulate sound...
Well, those nearly three decades of audio
engineering oughta come in handy then... :yes:
m1thr0s
12-21-2007, 04:00 AM
yes...but you may have to make a slightly unfamiliar adjustment...the ultimate modulator is you. I know you must know that on certain levels already and it is certainly true that external supports are always a welcome addition to this work, but ultimately there are no buttons you can push that will make it all go but those buried deep within your own psyche...no such thing as a push-button immortality thus far and we wouldn't want it if there were...it would simply be run over by the militarists and the industrialists and the scum of the earth in general...if we don't control this thing internally...we don't control it at all...
But as it happens...it's built into our design so I am confident that sooner or later we will perfect the balance that makes it all go...some of this will be rooted in the external and some in the internal...apparently never entirely just the one or the other...the biggest problem we are dealing with right here and now is that our maps are completely full of shit and no one is very much willing to admit it...let alone support anybody busting their godamm hump to correct it...
so you know...we just have to add that shit into the overall equation as well, and overcome it somehow.
m1thr0s
MythMath
12-21-2007, 04:06 AM
And life goes on within you and without you... ;)
___________________
edit: It's 4:18 and time for sleep (hum dee dum dee dum dum)...
m1thr0s
12-21-2007, 04:22 AM
sure...at some point we need to really hone in on certain organizational talent - or else they will simply need to come forward and make their presence known to us...financial wizards and marketing people and so on...actual empire-builder types will need to be drawn into this *vision* somehow...we need them. And I for one, can't do it all...maybe if I had 1000 years to commit to both developing the physics and the financial structure I might even be able to pull it off in 1/4 of that time or less. But right now there is too much riding on getting the tech itself up to speed and getting that information across to whoever can take it and run with it...so that's where my priorities must reside.
We'll just have to play it one day at a time for the moment I think...those who think they can simply copy it all down are gravely mistaken...this technology is rooted in being and if you blow off its lamp-bearers you will also blow out the lamp...it's a safety mechanism built right into the scheme of things and it doesn't matter that much to me personally...that's just how it is. Others may come along of course...then again...they may not. There is no certain test and no godamm guarantees. People will either invest in the heir apparent *ring bearers* on this matter or they will simply rot on the vine chasing incomprehensible phantoms. I have actually seen this at the highest levels...this world is at a make-or-break point and not every world that reaches that threshold survives it.
It's kind of a two-way street that way. I play my part the best I can...there are other players required in this. These are the Kings of Earth of which much has been spoken...but where the hell are they? These are the Secret Chiefs so long predicted...yet they are nowhere to be seen. This cannot inherit as they say...this aspect puzzles me...though I am no longer threatened by it personally. Idle curiosity mostly...
Anyway...pragmatic detour. A bit of comic relief perhaps... It's probably all perfectly academic in the end.
m1thr0s
fr.novumorganum
12-21-2007, 12:58 PM
http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_TwinStarHexcopy.jpg
Damn, I guess a picture is worth a thousand words... :p
I sure am looking forward to the day when I
can understand and apply all of this... :yes:
MM:
I ask this in all honesty and in true brotherhood of the light, but what practice do you do? I think, honestly, that a number of these questions are answered best in the practice of the the work, Magick is a strange teacher, but it does teach...all these tools are basically designed to unlock us as we do them and allow us to remember things forgotten in our current form...
there are basic fundemental practices of magick:
visualization
vibration
concentration
energy (weaving/projection/raising)
all the formulae and symbols and rituals are just modules for making the above 4 things work purposefully. Higher formulae/symbols are more efficient, and most likely more close to the fundemental energy structure of the universe than base ones (viaov vrs IHVH for example).
MythMath
12-21-2007, 05:16 PM
there are basic fundamental practices of magick:
visualization
vibration
concentration
energy (weaving/projection/raising)
I work with these things daily...
I really don't know what I'm doing,
but I feel ready to move forward...
When I first arrived, I was aware of many of the
things discussed here, but had never realized how
they all were parts of this one thing...
So I began assimilating all this, and now I have at
least a very slight conceptual knowledge of the main
energies and how they inter operate as 'everything'...
Hanging out everyday with the artistic thinkers
at abrahadabra.com is a great crash course in
these matters...
Now, I feel 'ready to begin' experiencing...
MM:
I ask this in all honesty and in true brotherhood of the light,
but what practice do you do?
You 'know' me, fr.no...what do you recommend...?
Catalytic Subterfuge
12-21-2007, 06:53 PM
I suggest frequent self stimulation! :D
Just kidding! Well......
Choose your path wisely my dear friend!
m1thr0s
12-22-2007, 06:01 AM
The Abra system itself is especially geared to the upper triad in the classical yogas. This also happens to be the least developed area of the 8 limbs, which is a whole discussion in itself.
But essentially:
1. Dharana
2. Dhyana
3. Samadhi
is what it is most aggressively working...
It doesn't follow all the expected rules of the game because those rules have generally become arrested over time and have not evolved at a proper pace with the world itself...so this has to be addressed. The spelling is *defunct*, etc...
The Abra system achieves *stillness* through balanced action, for instance...not inaction. It works through acceleration instead of deceleration, though it is ultimately possible to choose any pace you like. But it is wired for *the trenches* and especially good in-tight where other things may not be very much affordable. You can slam this stuff just as hard as you are physically able and the system itself tends to encourage this kind of athleticism. *Particle acceleration* is a very suitable coin defining how much of this action proceeds...though it's hardly a one-trick-pony by any means...so there is a great deal more occurring here as well.
I am unsure these days if the *alchemical projection* techniques I have outlined in various places can even be taught at a distance...and no...I am not especially keen on you-tube for that kind of instruction. These are tantric practices remember, and not *traditional* tantric practices either, so that the need for live instruction is actually very strong...much stronger than I had previously supposed. This form of concentration is very physical in application and also amounts to a kind of dance so that a high degree of coordination is always required...you go into this stuff limp-wristed and half-aware and you'll garner less than nothing in most cases. You work it tooth-and-nail and a whole other relationship is established. It's all about building up a durable store of clarity and strength that will not easily diminish under the worst possible circumstances. But there are many questions...many demons...many areas of uncertainty to be dealt with...
So it's a blow-by-blow sort of process...again very difficult to convey at a distance...Nevertheless, the maps (and mirrors) themselves can be discussed at the level of principle and this is most of what I have been doing thus far...
But a lot is still missing in all of this...people I would have normally thought would be the first to recognize and leap to these principles have often been the first to glaze right out...very peculiar situation that is actually no fault at all of the model...so the problem has more to do with gaining a better grasp of the physicality itself...of understanding on a more visceral level how these things may impact higher consciousness in ways not generally accessible by other means.
So if there is a certain quandary going on here...it cuts both ways. Ultimately I begin to be more convinced that this kind of thing has to be taught one-on-one with ongoing examples on various levels of technical proficiency etc...just like the other limbs typically require.
But I intend to pursue the conversation where it can be pursued in any case...we are dealing with a physics here, afterall, which can still be explored at the principle level...though much of it is apparently not altogether connecting for many.
Try and try again I think...you punch enough buttons and sooner or later something's got to godamm give...
m1thr0s
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