Sitting Bull's people break away from US

[Amur]

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22954249-1702,00.html

Fantastic news imho :)

[Anibis]

Now THAT is fucking interesting. They have my respect and support.
-Anibis

[fr.novumorganum]

fuck man i'd b happy to renounce and move there

[Anibis]

Check for those links again. I think they have already started removing the content. Scary! Here is what the text originally read:


Sitting Bull's people break away from US
From correspondents in Washington
December 20, 2007 03:10pm
Article from: Agence France-Presse
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THE Lakota Indians, who gave the world legendary warriors Sitting Bull and Crazy Horse, have withdrawn from treaties with the US.

"We are no longer citizens of the United States of America and all those who live in the five-state area that encompasses our country are free to join us,'' long-time Indian rights activist Russell Means said.

A delegation of Lakota leaders has delivered a message to the State Department, and said they were unilaterally withdrawing from treaties they signed with the federal government of the US, some of them more than 150 years old.

The group also visited the Bolivian, Chilean, South African and Venezuelan embassies, and would continue on their diplomatic mission and take it overseas in the coming weeks and months.

Lakota country includes parts of the states of Nebraska, South Dakota, North Dakota, Montana and Wyoming.

The new country would issue its own passports and driving licences, and living there would be tax-free - provided residents renounce their US citizenship, Mr Means said.

The treaties signed with the US were merely "worthless words on worthless paper," the Lakota freedom activists said.

Withdrawing from the treaties was entirely legal, Means said.
"This is according to the laws of the United States, specifically article six of the constitution,'' which states that treaties are the supreme law of the land, he said.

``It is also within the laws on treaties passed at the Vienna Convention and put into effect by the US and the rest of the international community in 1980. We are legally within our rights to be free and independent,'' said Means.

The Lakota relaunched their journey to freedom in 1974, when they drafted a declaration of continuing independence -- an overt play on the title of the United States' Declaration of Independence from England.

Thirty-three years have elapsed since then because ``it takes critical mass to combat colonialism and we wanted to make sure that all our ducks were in a row,'' Means said.

One duck moved into place in September, when the United Nations adopted a non-binding declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples -- despite opposition from the United States, which said it clashed with its own laws.

``We have 33 treaties with the United States that they have not lived by. They continue to take our land, our water, our children,'' Phyllis Young, who helped organize the first international conference on indigenous rights in Geneva in 1977, told the news conference.

The US ``annexation'' of native American land has resulted in once proud tribes such as the Lakota becoming mere ``facsimiles of white people,'' said Means.

Oppression at the hands of the US government has taken its toll on the Lakota, whose men have one of the shortest life expectancies - less than 44 years - in the world.

Lakota teen suicides are 150 per cent above the norm for the US; infant mortality is five times higher than the US average; and unemployment is rife, according to the Lakota freedom movement's website.



Looks like this pisses SOMEBODY off...
-Anibis

[fr.novumorganum]

I'm starting to wonder about the veracity of that site....
I can't find this anywhere else, and the source seems to be some combo of Murduch properties, including the london dalies.

here's a google of the headline

http://www.google.com/search?q=Sitting+Bull%27s+people+break+away+from+U S&rls=com.microsoft:*&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1

sadly, this story seems to have been generated by AFP (french something) and the only place its showing up is on right wing hate sites like freerepublic and stormfront.

so buyer beware here

[fr.novumorganum]

Follow up:

The danger in something like this is that the Murdoch (the great moloch of media) or one of Drudge's pajama media mud-boys will create a 'wire' story, which is one one level or another patently false, itgets picked up by the right wing groups whcih monitor the right wing 'wire-'services', and quickly becomes part and parcel of the supressed 'news' and yet another motivting meme for the growing american fascist movemnt.
look at the pure rascist venom this 'story' has generated amongst the mouth-breathers at free-republic
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1942134/posts


the north-american highway, or mexico's plan or 're-conquista' are recent examples of this practice.

[m1thr0s]

wow...that's historic. I can't imagine this not getting ugly though...what a courageous move...

"...it takes critical mass to combat colonialism..."

...is one of the most insightful comments I've heard in a long time...

m1

[Anibis]

I found it on Fox...
-A-

[Anibis]

Here's a link (http://www.theunapologeticmexican.org/elgrito/). And here's another (http://blogs.usatoday.com/ondeadline/2007/12/lakota-withdraw.html)... Frater, could you explain your reasoning again, since I don't really follow american politics. You think some right wing group just made it up so that it would be 'supressed', and then feed into the paranoia of right wing militia style separatists? Would such a newsfeed end up on Fox? I don't understand...

You think the press release itself is false?

-Anibis

[MythMath]

koyaanisqatsi - life out of balance

somedays it's really hard to root for the humanoids... :no: :o

[m1thr0s]

USA Today confirms...but it's true it's all copies of the same news release and it's only several hours old...

I guess we'll have to monitor it for awhile...

It's a daring move, if true...how it can actually work I haven't got a clue...without any weapons or economic aces in the hole they'll need round the clock media coverage just to keep from being attacked in their sleep...

American nazi-types makes the german version look civilized & sophisticated by comparison...for one thing, they lack any good excuse for having lost their godamm marbles... they're just garbage for the love of being garbage and that's just how it is.

m1thr0s

[Darkwater]

I hope the Lacota Sioux learn from the past,especially the deal they broke with the spirits as brokered by Sitting Bull in his Ghost Dance before battle with Custer at the Little Big Horn.

Glasgow was privelaged to exhibit Sitting Bulls "Ghostdance Shirt" for many years until a Lacota came here & freaked out saying it was maybe one of the most important things in his Tribes recent history.Glasgow,of course.returned it.

Good luck to the Sons of Crazy Horse.They maybe even have good politicians/lawyers,statesman to argue their cause which would be the right thing.

The lesson of history being-Do not overstep the mark.

Once victory is acheived,recognise this & do not snatch a defeat from the jaws of victory.

Namaste

Andy

I'd love to see the Lacota declaration of Independence.The American Declaration was based on the Scottish Declaration of Independence,the declaration of Arbroath of 1320.We Scots tried sucking up the popes arse then,but it was watertight.

"Along as 50 of us remain alive.........."


Child go break off from the herd

[fr.novumorganum]

oh i do hope this is true.
i've just become very jaded when it comes to the news, it's so tied into the corporate right these days.

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Edit Free Zone (http://this-is-sparta.blogspot.com/2007/12/lakota-sioux-declare-sovereign-nation.html)

[m1thr0s]

I don't know boy...I'd want nuclear power on tap before diving into something like this...it's about the only thing their opponents can respect...

still no formal statements from any US Officials that I have seen...

I also have seen no formal statements confirming or denying from the elected Sioux leadership...

m1

[Talkingfox]

still no formal statements from any US Officials that I have seen...


m1

That's fairly status quo....Native people are on the mostly ignore list unless they've got something that the Government wants. Movements of anysort are pretty much blown off as ineffectual, because everyone knows nothing ever really gets done on the rez...:rolleyes: Racism still abounds