Elemental Fields Epiphany...

[m1thr0s]

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I realize that I haven't set all this up yet and that building the elemental fields is probably still completely ambiguous to most people so far...but this is important so I am going to run ahead of the class and show you this anyway...

This is significant. I ran into this concept maybe as far back as 10 years ago or so but at that time I didn't have enough technical data to know when and where it might best be applied. The idea is one of building all fields so that they parallel the LoShu as closely as possible in all instances...so what you get is a field in 8 parts balanced against the jen element at center - here represented by the brackets and guides (the little symbols flanking the field left & right). Also all of our *finishing* work - circle, triangle, final close etc...all come under the jurisdiction of the jen (spirit) element. For anyone who actually has been able to follow any of this, the Word of Perfection details our line formulas, so all yins will be IHVH and all yangs will be AHIH. As I have said maybe a thousand times or more - these are just exemplary formulas and it's perfectly fine to experiment with equivalent variations...

It's important to understand that the jen is called the *creative* element, responsible for coordinating and directing change in all other elemental processes...When we are dealing in the Binary system, the jen element is a background force, so the formula for the jen (AHVH) will not get laid down in lines but rather shows up in the final Hva-Ath-h formula used to center and lock the energy being generated...

You can take any hexagram you like - either by way of doing a reading or as a random selection, just because you might want to focus on that particular hexagram. In this case I want to work with the combined Before-After Completion hexagrams, or hexagrams #63 & #64 from any traditional I Ching. It happens that these are already paired opposites:

People wanting to experiment with this field need to commit to acquiring a good copy of the I Ching and study the corresponding hexagrams minimally...you won't get anywhere with this stuff if you won't make at least this much effort.

I'll have to return to this little mini-article because I have no time today. I'm very excited about this though...for a Mutational Alchemist, this is the equivalent of discovering the existence of Black Holes to an astronomer...maybe even bigger...

m1thr0s

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

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This reminds me of polar physical properties of electrons and a bit of Ed L's dual electric field theory. I love the diagram. I'll have to do some work to capture the essence you describe here.

Thanks,

[m1thr0s]

Thanks CS - and yeah...I think there's no denying that this is a visually charismatic form that sort of defines itself aesthetically...even if one doesn't have all the background information. The 3 vertical bracket lines distinctly correspond to the 3 Pillars of qabbalah...or the 3 Gunas of Yogic tradition. The *guides* are simply there as memory assists since the left half of the structure is being constructed *earth-ascending* / bottom-to-top / left-to-right / widdershins, while the right half is being constructed *heaven-descending* / top-to-bottom / right-to-left / deiseil.

I am pretty sure that the TwinTrees can also be fused according to this system but I need to study that more closely. It's a little tricky in that instance because there we are attempting to build up a tremendous inertia by running all of our counterclockwise rotations to Crown, turn around and draw them all back down again to Kingdom...huge momentum. I want to make very sure that fusing them doesn't screw that up in any way, although I am already seeing some special modifications that can be used in that instance...

I'm glad you appreciate the aesthetic...Beauty=Truth, as they say...and I'd love to see any parallels out there as well...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

One of the things this equation is helping us to resolve is the fairly complex issue of gender in elements, alongside the matter of proper chronological progression, either in ascension or descension. Mutational Alchemy aspires to resolve these issues at the level of number, since otherwise we are left with quaint but unreliable assessments of people we do not know and whose rationale we cannot ever truly hope to scrutinize...in a word, we are left with the potential of a science locked inside the rhetoric of a philosophical/religious dogma. This renders it impossible for us to ever achieve a very high degree of confidence at the level of any sort of action...particularly those actions intent on building anything. Yet, aside from whatever dogma they might inspire, geomantic systems (of all kinds) are intrinsically rooted in number and sooner or later those numbers will have their turn to speak.

The mathematical adjustments of King Wen -->Duke Chou are both elegant and practical so far as they go, but they do not resolve chronology in trigrammal structures, unfortunately. They do not provide us with any means to calibrate a logical beginning, middle or end in hexagrams. The chronological order of the traditional I Ching is simply not chronological at the level of its binary mathematics.

I need to prepare a few graphics that will help to make this more clear so I will return with those in a bit and resume. If at all possible, I would like to at least leave readers with a sense of how to build this structure for meditative and energy-working purposes...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

The Four Pillars - Binary Bigrams

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To begin with - what we are tracking here is motion itself which we may generally regard as being divided primarily into sound and light...insofar as our senses can track it. This is something that takes a certain amount of training to get used to...The eastern systems aren't as concerned with matter as the we are in the west. The I Ching - and indeed - all the major canons of eastern metaphysics are focusing on *change* as a means of better understanding the Tao itself and how it manifests in nature...So you need to understand this way of thinking a bit to grasp the eastern approach to cosm.

Having said that...there are certainly parallels between the 4 governing (binary) bigrams and the four elemental systems found prevalently throughout many parts of the world. The majority of these follow a Fire - Air - Earth - Water organization usually incorporating a 5th=Spirit element somewhere in the mix. We can do this...which is to say, we are free to do this without necessarily screwing up our whole understanding of the bigrams themselves - but we do have to be a little more careful than most people who assert these things usually are. It is important to always remember that classical Chinese philosophy does not support this type of alignment...it doesn't negate it but it also doesn't emphasize it and there are a few technical reasons why this may have fallen out the way it did in antiquity and we need to be constantly skeptical of what amounts to a western adaptation of an eastern metaphysics, as a matter of course. Nevertheless...the underscoring mathematics is universal and is no more uniquely Chinese than is a nose, or a foot, or a hand.

So we have at bottom a "geomancy" (else a binary mathematics) that allows for all kinds of possible organizational possibilities. It is frankly to our distinct advantage to ascertain how these structures may assist us in better understanding the mathematical mechanism of the Four Elemental Worlds...and later again...the 9 Chambers of Qabbalah as demonstrated in the LoShu Diagram, the Tetractys and various other important magickal constructs. This is where the ternary system comes to bear, but to understand the significance of this, we really need to start from the binary system itself. It turns out that this amounts to a huge amount of space-time continuum, constituting just about anything we can physically identify as *real* particle universe.

The Four Pillars is important because it defines all non-encrypted chronological gravitational possibilities in binary structures, leaving open the possibility for both encrypted or even random arrangements as viable alternatives, save only that they are not strictly chronological. This is important to understand because it makes it possible to align chronological orders with other chronological orders once the exact chronology of both systems is clearly understood. This is what happens in the Abra system generally, with respect to the aligning of hexagrams to the Tree of Life. Although no one has ever asked the question, it should ultimately be asked - is there anything wrong with just laying out the 32 *pairs* of the traditional I Ching on the 32 paths and sepheroth of the Tree of Life as already defined by other sources? In a very real sense the answer has to be *no*...there is nothing really wrong with this at all...but there is also nothing particularly right about it, and therein lies the problem. It doesn't prevent individuals from doing this and we really have no way to know that some percentage of these may experience a high degree of success, but when that success occurs, we have no way to know on what basis it has occurred and no way to recommend that procedure to anyone else based upon anything rational or logical.

Chronology is thus important because it gives us a definitive right and wrong in all asserted action...the process of projection is not a mindless one...it is not rooted in the imagination to the exclusion of logic, but rather is is a negotiated middle ground between the creative-intuitive and the rational-logical hemispheres of the brain itself. We stand a much better chance of being able to get behind our projections with force wherever we can successfully negotiate this balance. In a sense, the rules of Trigrammaton are expected to be bent and even broken by the most skillful of its practitioners...just as the rules of music might be, but in order to be successful at bending and breaking those rules...you have to have some degree of proficiency at adhering to them in the first place, since what is logical is also easily communicated to others and ultimately winds up being the default middle ground in any creative dispute between opposing points of view. So Blues, for instance, follows a very solid musical blueprint around which an infinite range of variations are possible, but if you cannot adhere to that basic blueprint...you can certainly play music, but you can by no means play the Blues...that simple set of rules defines the form itself.

So the Four Pillars is telling us everything that is allowable in terms of chronological progressions. It outlines a very simple set of rules, even though those rules are not at this time universally recognized. We have to be prepared to go beyond a certain amount of bias to understand what these rules are telling us, but the rules themselves are crystal clear.

Everything in the binary system revolves around two (and only two) *flux* values, an active (yang) flux and a passive (yin). To put this a little in perspective, even the terms active and passive have to be scrutinized a bit since these have become loaded terms in themselves and may convey inappropriate ideas. The binary system is tracking Ebb & Flow in all things...all conditions of Mind and Matter so that it may be useful to use the terminology Active & Recessive as an alternative to Active & Passive. In general, the idea of male and female fairly well dominates this whole eidetic at the organic level, while the ideas of Heaven & Earth, Macrocosm & Microcosm dominate it at the cosmic level. So the Yang *flux* is typically viewed as Masculine - Macrocosmic in nature while the Yin *flux* is deemed to be Feminine & Microcosmic as a simple starting point. Energy *flux* in itself does not define *elements*...Yang is not an element and neither is Yin...these are energy flow types...not elements. They are thought to exist everywhere in physical space-time continuum and constitute the alchemical prima materia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prima_materia) from which all binary elements derive (omitting the jen principle for the moment, called the coordinating-directing force in all things...)

The most basic of those elements are defined in the 4 cardinal Bigrams and there are exactly 4 of these and no more: I want to draw readers attention to this brief article on Quantum Alchemy (http://www.alchemylab.com/quantum1.htm) while it is still available on the web...it should help to give you a little broader perspective on the role of the bigrams...I'm not going to get quite that mathematical myself, but you should at least be aware that there is a great deal of math flowing through all of this...as much as possible, I want to confine myself to discussing only what absolutely must be discussed in order to arrive at some practical sense of how to actually build these structures and work with them at the meditational level...you can only really know the value of these things through working with them in a hands-on sort of way in my experience. The ideas are great...but they don't actually make anything really happen.

Note: I just ran a fairly in-depth search just to bring a few articles on the bigrams to bear in this discussion, only to find that there is really nothing out there at all. That's really grim...nothing like a little pressure I guess.

here at least is a poorly translated quote defining the *four phenomena"
"The Wuji, the Limitless, produces the delimited, and this is The Taiji, the Absolute. The Taiji produces 2 Forms, named Yin and Yang. The 2 Forms produce 4 Phenomena, named the Lesser and Great Yang, and the Lesser and Great Yin. The 4 Phenomena act on the 8 Trigrams, the Ba Gua (http://www.hygeiasbowl.com/BaGua.aspx)." - by Fu Xi From this the author at this site concludes we should probably not treat the four bigrams as *elements*, despite admitting that this would, in fact, be *productive*...this only really informs us that the four elements should not be looked upon as literal elements so much as elemental divisions, or houses, roughly corresponding to all kinds of extensions that find their way back to this universal compass coordinates...but then, those of us paying even half attention would have already sorted that one out a long time ago...

Here's an interesting little flash presentation outlining the transformation of the Earlier Heaven Sequence to the Later Heaven Sequence: http://www.hygeiasbowl.com/hb4Gua.swf

I was a little startled to see the polarity brackets at the center of the wheel...I've never seen this particular demo before so that's a little strange...different application of course but still...bizarre...

Note: I want to look at this quote again - this time from Wiki: link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bagua_%28concept%29)
無極生有極, 有極是太極,
太極生兩儀, 即陰陽;
兩儀生四象: 即少陰、太陰、少陽、太陽,
四象演八卦， 八八六十四卦

The Limitless (Wuji (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wuji)) produces the delimited, and this is the Absolute (Taiji (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiji))
The Taiji produces two forms, named yin and yang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang)
The two forms produce four phenomena (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Four_phenomena&action=edit), named lesser yang, great yang (taiyang also means the Sun (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun)), lesser yin, great yin (taiyin also means the Moon).
The four phenomena act on the eight trigrams (ba gua), eight eights are sixty-four hexagrams (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexagram_%28I_Ching%29).We will return to this from time to time, but for right now I want to emphasize how strikingingly similar this is to the doctrine of Ain Soph Aur via Lurianic Qabbalah. At the highest levels, Yin-Yang Philosophy and Western Qabbalah are in perfect accord. The main difference is that the eastern system provides us with a specific mathematics to this unfolding - and therefor - to the logical reconstruction of this whole cosmic heirachy...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

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Fire
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Air
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Earth
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Water

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Assigning western elemental values to the bigrams is a little more complicated than it may at first appear, in part because of the Four Pillars themselves which presents us with a few potentially conflicting issues. The familial relationships of Father, Son, Mother & Daughter do come down to us intact from history but the Four Pillars do not - that is a recent discovery so far as anyone can determine at this time. The conflict that it presents us with is one of gender. In all (unencrypted) chronological progressions our *alpha* point is numbered 0 and our *omega* point is numbered 1. If we are following the Heaven Descending pattern, our alpha point is in the above and we are counting vertically downwards towards earth in the below. Heaven is Yang, so our alpha point is a yang and since we are beginning from bigrams we have a yang-above and a yang-below elemental structure which then numerates 0-0 respectively. Because we are gravitating to the below, we are always counting downwards. No matter which way we are gravitating in bigrams, the numbers always remain the same: 0-0=0 | 0-1=1 | 1-0=2 | 1-1=3. When our alpha point is a Yang of Heaven (reading from top to bottom), our progression falls out:

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but when we are starting from a Yin of Earth (counting from bottom to top) progressing to the Above, we get:

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Our quandary consists of the fact that, according to the numbers, genders always follow the dominant gender line in any sequence of structures and this will either be the top or the bottom line, depending on which way we are counting. This will have no impact on straight yins or straight yangs because these always have the same gender in either direction, but in structures which contain a mix of yins and yangs we run into a gender complication. The structure we are calling a Young Yang = Son is only a chronological yang in 2 of the four pillars. The structure we are calling a Young Yin = Daughter is only a chronological Yin in 2 of the four pillars. How do we resolve this apparent conflict?

The answer to this question is both as simple as it is mysterious...what we call gender on a genetic level doesn't mean anything to atoms and is meaningless to mountains, streams, fungis, minerals, etc. Only in the plant and animal kingdoms does it have very much meaning at all. Many plants and even some animals are capable of switching genders as the need arises, so it is not stamped as firmly as we might sometimes imagine. Gender, on a genetic level, is largely a question of environmental positioning. Determining gender dominance in the Four Pillars, if this can be accomplished, will depend a great deal upon the practical positioning of Nothing itself, relative to the human perspective, since everything derives from this and ultimately returns to it as well. Understanding how the universe is manifesting itself will tell us about the environmental conditions governing gender dominance.

The direction in which matter unfolds through space is of paramount importance to us, since only by knowing this can we effectively synchronize with it and scale it back to its source. When FuXi sets about to place all things in their natural orders, he places Heaven in the Above, Earth in the Below and Man in the Middle positions. In doing this he is acknowledging a fundamental principle of dominance with respect to "WuJi", or Nothingness itself. He is placing it in the Above relation, relative to the human condition. We know this mainly through process of elimination as regarding the relation of WuJi in vertical alignment. WuJi precedes TaiJi which precedes Yang which precedes Yin in vertical (trigrammal) alignment. So it is a judgment call on his part that the relevant seat of Nothing=0 resides in the Above in vertical correspondence. Briefly stated, Nothing resides in the Above and gravitates (or unfolds) downwards, where it comes to manifest in Earth. Based upon this assessment we have a means of identifying gender dominance in the Four Pillars, since it is the Heaven Descending arrangement that gives us this exact alignment which is also paralleled in the Tree of Life, the Ayurvedic Chakras and virtually every major cosmological mapping known to humankind.

Resolving gender dominance in the Four Pillars means we have a means of asserting a First Order in things and this First Order informs us that the familial order that unfolds in the Heaven Descending arrangement is the dominant order among the bigrams themselves, at least insofar as human beings are concerned. It also tells us that an old yin or yang retain gender integrity regardless of direction of motion, while a young yin or yang can flip genders according to direction of motion. So in Earth Ascending, what we are calling the Son (in the first instance) is in fact a yin while the Daughter is in fact a yang. The Mother and Father remain yin and yang respectively. The Son is still the Son and the Daughter is still the Daughter according to this First Order gender dominance, but their natures will vary according to their environmental positioning. This ancient Taoist diagram may help to demonstrate this whole 0=Heaven argument from an historical perspective:





Wu Ji Diagram

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The Wu-Ji diagram of Chen Xi-Yi has been widely accepted as the best depiction of Taoist cosmology, and it demonstrates how the notion of triplicity logically developed from Yin Yang theory. The diagram was supposedly divinely revealed to a hermit known as “Sage of the River”, who passed it on to Wei, Bo-yang, 2nd century AD author of Can Dong Qi. (Triplex Unity). Knowledge of the diagram passed to the hermitage at Huashan, one of China’s great mountain ranges, where the diagram was said to have been carved onto one of the mountain’s cliff faces. Chen, a Sung dynasty (1127-1279AD) hermit who resided at Huashan, wrote a number of texts on Taoist cosmology, describing both the diagram and other aspects of Taoist mysticism which laid the foundation for later Taoist thought. It is a magnificent diagram that brilliantly captures many aspects of Taoist thought, on both origination, as well as the structure and operation of forces within the universe. link (http://www.triplexunity.com/docs/background1.htm) Another useful diagram...
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link (http://faculty.washington.edu/mkalton/10dia%20ch1%20web.htm)

I understand that this whole fuss over gender values may seem a tad tedious to some people and also that the explanation I am providing for it is largely unexplored territory. The question itself has to be resolved if we are to have any confidence in the projection of elemental fields at the creative level. We need to know the most efficient way to construct these fields as well as the exactest possible way of aligning them logically from bottom-to-top and top-to-bottom. We also need to have some stable notion of what they are in order to sustain our visualization of them. The Four Pillars informs us what our directional options are but does not necessarily tell us what our elemental components are...for that we have to reel in everything at our rational disposals. If a thing is deemed to be a thing in one instance but not that thing in the next, then we have an issue that has to be resolved. Once these things are reasonably resolved, we can then proceed with confidence with elemental field simulations. Our assumptions may yet be 100% erroneous, but they will at least be rational assumptions, devoid of blatant internal contradictions. It is much easier to correct a rational assumptions on-the-fly than an irrational ones. It has to be said, however, that assigning the four traditional elements to the four traditional bigrams is simply not that reckless a proposition even under the strictest possible scrutiny. While I am willing to belabor the minutest details, I have yet to unearth any good reason to avoid this method of operations. A certain caution is advisable, but a certain daring is as well. As will be seen in due course, the logic of aligning the Four Elements in this way makes even greater sense by the time we come to the ternary system and its 9 principal bigrams, but we are not quite ready to embark on that discussion just yet.

It is a very curious thing to me that the Chinese sages would have avoided what would otherwise seem to be the most obvious of conclusions regarding the bigrams and their compositional constitutions. It completely defies all rational explanation. I can only surmise that China was so adamantly exclusionary of the rest of the civilized world that it was willing to go to any extreme to avoid doing anything that might be construed as un-Chinese in some way. The 5-elemental system of traditional yin-yang philosophy bears a certain poetry to it but lacks the utility of the 5-elemental system more commonly recognized throughout the rest of the world. Since they cannot claim to actually own the underscoring mathematics involved, they will have to rest upon their own elemental assumptions which, while intriguing in many ways, are decidedly not the only game in town. It is advisable that serious students should learn this traditional system as a matter of course but there is no earthly reason to imagine that it is inherently superior in any way. It has its strengths as well as its shortcomings.

next segment = the principle of dominance...



m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I have been studying this off and on for a good week now, and I think I may have completely missed the mark with the Four Pillars - Binary Bigrams diagram.

Something about that whole area confused the hell out of me. The son-daughter element of things really clicks because I have been working with that in meditative concepts since last year and this just took the whole sequence to a new level. The two act as intermediaries between the father and mother principals, just as they do in ancient european magick with air, but in this case it is much more elegant, and earth is not merely assigned as a "creation" end so much as a tandem engine with the element of air.

and that's a good thing.

It bugged the hell out of me.

I'm not getting the 1+1=3 etc in the four pillars diagram or why this has any relevance at all.

I still don't have any clue how you decided to arrange the Twin Trees either, could you please, at some point, explain this to me. I know it has to do with the I Ching but this is way over my head and you don't have to go into detail just give me a dumbed down version.

this should go in your random question thread but I wanted to put it here anyways...

[m1thr0s]

ok...little gap in the counting method apparently...

what is going on here is that we are converting from a binary (base 2) number system into the usual whole number system which is a base 10.

we are either going to be counting in one direction or the other, either up or down.

either way we count the following applies:

0 + 0 = 00 (binary) = 0 (whole)
0 + 1 = 01 (binary) = 1 (whole)
1 + 0 = 10 (binary) = 2 (whole)
1 + 1 = 11 (binary) = 3 (whole)

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The second question is a little more advanced but the answer is not so complicated really. To begin with I am following the Proximity Principle (http://www.abrahadabra.com/proximity.principle01.htm) in the Trees which gives us a logical chronological ordering of Paths and Sepheroth from 1-32. Familiarize this and that part should become clear. If we don't have a logical ordering of paths and sepheroth to begin with, it makes no natural sense to try to align a chronological organization of hexagrams...both halves must be chronological for this to work.

The P'an Ku arrangement is built on the Heaven Descending pattern and exactly parallels the numbers 1-32 as they fall out on the Tree of Life from Top to Bottom. The only difference is that we have 64 Hexagrams to balance in 32 positions. We follow the dominance of the Yang in this instance so that the first 32 hexagrams in the sequence determine where the balanced pairs will go.

In the Nu Kua arrangement we are following the Earth Ascending pattern which is the exact inverse of the P'an Ku, so on the Tree we are also counting exactly backwards from 32-1 and we are following the dominance of the Yin in this instance so that the first 32 hexagrams out in this system will determine where the balanced pairs will go.

But the numbers we are using reference their usual positions in the traditional I Ching to make it easier to look up hexagrammal attributes in the I Ching itself. If anything, that may be where things begin to get confusing because at that point we are juggling 3 arrangements of hexagrams. Unfortunately this cannot be helped because the traditional I Ching is not ordered...it isn't chronological, so we have no way to know what should go where by any kind of universally recognizable standard.

this may still leave some questions somewhere but that's the essential explanation...just ask if something else is unclear and I'll see if I can make it clear.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

So you add up the binary number of the hexagram to place it on the tree? I guess I get it.

I still don't understand the proximity principal. it doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but that's ok, I can still use it...

This helps some, so thanks.

So the ordering in the I Ching isn't special at all? That's weird. How do you make it chronological?

[m1thr0s]

If it is chronological, it's encrypted and pretty heavily encrypted at that. A few theorists out there believe this is the case but no one to date has established any reasonable proof of having specifically resolved its chronology. It actually isn't likely to occur because the King Wen system is pairing vertical opposites - not horizontal. When you go through the I Ching you become aware that they are already organized in balanced pairs. What happens is this...hexagrams that can be turned upside down and be a different hexagram get paired. Those that cannot be turned upside down resulting in a new hexagram revert to their horizontal opposites. Unfortunately, this gives us an internal contradiction in the hexagrams from the very outset, since vertical pairings have this built-in limitation - horizontal opposites do not. Beyond this, even the vertical pairings follow no apparent logical rhyme or reason...they appear to be arranged poetically, not logically.

The proximity principle is based in geometry and simply tells us that between any 3 points, numbered 1,2 & 3 - the numerical distance between 1-2 is shorter than the numerical distance between 1-3, so that if we want to arrange orderly paths between these points, the path between 1-2 must come before the path between 1-3...everything else is just an extension of the same principle and can be applied to any Tree arrangement on record.

You have to play with that one though...it eventually becomes very clear since it's one simple rule that applies seamlessly in all situations.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

So the tree isn't flexible, I mean, you can't bend the lines to make one sephiroth closer to another?

I always picture it as three dimensional, like I can pull on side over to the other, and I even get the distinct feeling of some of the spheres being farther off on a horizon line.

This is probably nonsensical, but I thought I'd put it out there just in case.

Well anyways that was very helpful explaining m1thr0s I look forward to furthering this discussion at a later date, I have to go do my meditations now....

bye!

[m1thr0s]

I need to point something out here...neither I, not any human being alive is in a position to assert the only possible way to establish an orderly balancing of paths and hexagrams. What can be done is to lay down a set of rules that will have to be conformed with in order that any such arrangement can be duly recognized as both sound and valid (= true). The Tree will have to be chronological and the Hexagrams will have to be chronological or we cannot obtain a marriage of chronologies under any rational circumstances... This is an important protocol...this establishes what is and is not rational in the attempt at marrying these two great systems.

But are there other *hidden* possibilities? Xst yes, there most certainly are! Most of them will probably have to be encrypted chronologies since we have already about exhausted what can be done with non-encrypted ones and these really are the easiest way to define our *rules* in any case.

But once those rules have been recognized as binding...there remain all kinds of possibilities we haven't even begun to examine. So I just want to point this out and be clear about this. What is remarkable in my own work is that I have pinpointed that underscoring set of necessary protocols...not that my arrangements are the one and only possible ways to proceed...that is flatly idiotic and is no way to approach the benefit of what has been accomplished here. Nevertheless, the organizations I have uncovered are both sound and valid and can be relied upon as a template for building hexagrammal fields balanced to the Tree of Life.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

If it is chronological, it's encrypted and pretty heavily encrypted at that. A few theorists out there believe this is the case but no one to date has established any reasonable proof of having specifically resolved its chronology. It actually isn't likely to occur because the King Wen system is pairing vertical opposites - not horizontal. When you go through the I Ching you become aware that they are already organized in balanced pairs. What happens is this...hexagrams that can be turned upside down and be a different hexagram get paired. Those that cannot be turned upside down resulting in a new hexagram revert to their horizontal opposites. Unfortunately, this gives us an internal contradiction in the hexagrams from the very outset, since vertical pairings have this built-in limitation - horizontal opposites do not. Beyond this, even the vertical pairings follow no apparent logical rhyme or reason...they appear to be arranged poetically, not logically.
To be clear, in this paragraph it seems like you're
implying that the 64 hexagrams cannot be
sequenced in a logical/chronological order...

But that's not the case...
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edit: you pre-answered me, with your speedy typing skills...

[m1thr0s]

So the tree isn't flexible, I mean, you can't bend the lines to make one sephiroth closer to another?there's all kinds of things we can do naomi...they won't all amount to rocket-science. there comes a time when we really need to know...can anything amount to rocket-science in this genre if we absolutely needed it to? And the answer is yes...we do have options in this regard...

But some things are just aesthetically engaging whether 100% rational or not...what kind of make-believe occultist would not be open to these kinds of possibilities as well? You might as well just be a godamm accountant in that case and call it a done deal.

When push comes to shove, we need to be able to distinguish between the barrel and the butt and we need to be able to do it quickly (and accurately)...that's where logical systems really shine through...in a pinch...in a critical situation...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

To be clear, in this paragraph it seems like you're
implying that the 64 hexagrams cannot be
sequenced in a logical/chronological order...

But that's not the case...I don't know how I could have implied that...it certainly is not the case and I have cranked out a fair number of charts and graphs to demonstrate that all 64 hexagrams...indeed even all 729 hexagrams can and do follow sequential chronology from beginning to middle to end.

I do not see this implication in that paragraph...in any case, it is not the case. I was specifically referring to the traditional King Wen arrangement in that context, which in itself, is not (logically) chronological.

it may yet be encrypted though...I tend to believe it is but I haven't got 100 lifetimes to spend just sorting the damn thing out. Terence McKenna thought he found something as did Lama Govinda and perhaps a few others. My priorities have been to achieve the clearest possible marriage that the numbers can afford between the Hexagrams and the Tree of Life. This gives us a working model and we can at least know that this can be done...beyond this, we can get as fancy and as devious as we like but we need to know what the simple possibilities are in the first instance.

edit: you pre-answered me, with your speedy typing skills...oh, ok...that's good then...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

The point in the middle, the ninth element, is that...well, what is that? I'm not really clear, is it like Hadit? The two guides don't act as anything more than directional guides, right?

If you read it like a bar code, you can say, for instance with #64, that it reads, Air, Air, Air....isn't that right? the one on the left though, does it read Earth, Earth, Earth, since you're going up?

And Jen as I understand it is similar to Hermes and Ningishzidda isn't it?

[m1thr0s]

guides are just guides, yes...sort of the numerical equivalent of djinn...

I don't entirely ascribe to Hadit per se for reasons too complicated to go into right here and it really isn't necessary in Trigrammaton anyway. That's not a criticism...just a sort of qualification of my own feelings on things. In general you are on the right track though with this guesstimate of things.

The greater explanation comes from scrutinizing the Jen principle itself and what that is all about...how it plays out in all these organizational arrangements etc. The Jen element has been chiefly defined as a 3-fold value of (1)Man, (2)Spirit and (3)Intelligence where it sort of constitutes all 3 in 1. It is called the Directing-Coordinating force balancing Yin & Yang...it governs where things go when they need to flip...how things actually make the leap from one state to another. In almost all respects it is exactly the same as the Tao, save that it comes right into the elemental playing field and even assumes line values which technically the Tao cannot do and still be called the Tao...

Numerically we always find it at the position of center to all line value constructs from the Lo Shu on down. It is the only element whose perfect opposite is itself and the precedent this establishes in all of nature is more profound than I have skill to express. It is not only the binding force in things but is at the very heart of what makes things unique and indivisible within themselves.

So moreover, this is not about Hadit...this is about the Jen Principle itself and how that plays out in elemental continuum...

I hope that's not too damn ambiguous...it's kind of a big subject matter.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

OH WOW COOL


that just explains all kinds of stuff

[deviadah]

http://abrahadabra.com/images/fourpillars01.jpg

Always think it looks like Morse code (yeah I know this is much older), but as I am always interested in all the senses operating at once I figure that sound (long and short signals) could be employed to create an audible system?

Kind of like what MythMath is doing with Hz.

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