Message from the Myst

[Apopheros]

http://www.kirotv.com/2008/0103/14972774.jpg


This picture was taken in Seeatle around Christmas. To me, it's obviously intelligent design in the myst. What do you guys see in this?

Related article: http://www.kirotv.com/news/14972942/detail.html#

[m1thr0s]

is that the biggest pic we can get?
it's really just too small to even speculate artistically...let off logically...

bigger would be helpful...I went to the link but they don't have anything decent there either. really sloppy reporting all around.

I wouldn't call it a hoax though as some are doing. I don't see any reason for a 15 year old girl on vacation with her family to engineer a hoax...

m1

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

Maybe just a coinkidink?

[Apopheros]

Here are a few close ups:

http://www.fantasticfrog.net/images/14982425_640X476ppp.gif

http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h188/extractorite/14972775.jpg

It looks as if smoke organised itself around and invisible force field. At the same time, I stumble on Sarge18, a specialist of the myst pictures. I think this guy is experiencing with aether. I've taken pictures of clouds at night in the past, and on the camera, there would appear being-like features or shapes. What I experiment is matching with his ''breath technic". I'm telling you guys, this dimension exist and they show a sense of humor too.
http://www.sargel18.com/

Have you ever noticed that in almost every ghost story the apparition always is seen during a rain or thunderstorm? There is a reason for this. Moister from the mist in the atmosphere sticks to these beings when they are close to our reality. [...] Most people will scoff at this technique saying that anything can be made out of smoke or floating breath. In the techniques defense you have to see the being as you do it and then your convinced. I don't need moisture to see these beings. I see them all the time day or night, but many people can't. I have seen many times at the vortex the reaction people have when I say there's a being standing to or left and blow out the breath. When the flash explodes the being stuck with moisture can be seen for that split second by everyone and at the4 same time in the flash the smoke from the breath as far surpassed the spot of the being. When all these factors are seen at once by someone they never question the breath technique again, well at least to my face.

[Apopheros]

I mean c'mon, look at the geek with glasses in the myst fold below:cool:

[m1thr0s]

well...ok...so you see these patterns, but what are you looking for here? People see patterns in clouds, patterns in stars, patterns in all kinds of seemingly random arrangements of sounds, colors, sensations etc...

If I look up into the clouds and happen to see a dragon, from a purely phenomenological perspective that dragon is as good as real. Yet the person standing right next to me may not see it or else see something completely different.

So then where does that put the notion of *intelligent design*? Whose intelligence is really being measured here? Does it require some sort of consensus to be real? Is that ever really going to be universally possible to achieve?

I'm not all that familiar with the most current lingo regarding *intelligent design* in nature. I take it you are talking about some kind of 4th dimensional layering of some kind...is that correct? That's not going to be too hard to sell in most magickal circles I think, but that still doesn't mean we really have a solid grasp on what that is necessarily. Lots of theories account for it dating to pre-recorded history.

m1thr0s

[frater luciferi]

its a anthropomorphic reaction that causes you to see whats in the cloud..the human brain is designed to see patterns in things..that we see something in the smoke does not make it something..

[m1thr0s]

is the center spiral in this image actually moving in both directions at the same time?

http://abrahadabra.com/images/aniswirl.gif

there can be no doubt that the mind plays tricks...creates order from disorder and so on. it is possible to view these kinds of illusions as *real* at the level of experience. does that make them real at the level of reality?

m1thr0s

[Apopheros]

So then where does that put the notion of *intelligent design*? Whose intelligence is really being measured here? Does it require some sort of consensus to be real? Is that ever really going to be universally possible to achieve?
m1thr0s


I see your point. As for intelligent design, what I had in mind was something more like "logical design", similar to mimetism in animal or flower shades patterns. What bugs me with the smoke patterns is that they come out from nowhere apparent.
For instance this picture was taken around Christmas and it is very suggestive of the Virgin Mary holding a baby. Of course the context may suggest what interpretation people made out of it. It would be intelligent design if we had proof that an unknown being had taken shape into smoke on Christmas, but only if. As when something is 'communi/on/cating' for contemplation purposes. What about a reptilian Virgin Mary? Cause the face under the hoody sure doesn't look human, and so is the Grey on her shoulder. :rofl:


I heard you guys say it's an anthropomorphic effect, and how it depends on your focus on the thing. But I'd rather view this as an unknown scaleless force field transcending everything into which a logical patterns meet desire (being manifestation).

[m1thr0s]

That's kind of funny since what you are describing reminded me of a dream I had where I somehow saw the sky as an energy grid that reverberated projected thought of any kind...something like an amplification networking that enveloped the whole planet.

Not long ago when I was researching the plasmic sun theory I ran into a presentation that was promoting the idea that the earth had undergone a major climatic change within the last 5-6 thousand years, causing a general suppression of earth's own plasmic field from its former strength...suggesting that humans born after this time really inhabited a starkly different world than those born before it. Presumably the manifestation of godforms and many cosmic sorts of events (including the working of magick on the external environment) would have been greatly enhanced previous to this unexpected dampening.

I'm honestly not sure what to make of any of these theories insofar as the specifics of their assertions go, but the underlying concept makes sense enough to me.

m1thr0s

[Apopheros]

Man...I hear you...plasma. This field holds so much potential imho.
Have you come across something about hydrogen plasma throughout your research. You see, I was thinking about some way to ignite hydrogen inside the water molecule...

but its all utopia cause element ratio inside water goes like this:

88,8% Oxygen
11,2% Hydrogen

so I dunno...if somehow through plasma you could allow more carbon into the equation...maybe...just maybe:laugh:

[frater luciferi]

I mean c'mon, look at the geek with glasses in the myst fold below:cool:

hey man i love those types of images..the anamorphic kind...i should dig out a couple other classics that i have on my hard-drive.

[Dragon]

One word -

Fractals.



Outie -

~D~

[Darkwater]

is the center spiral in this image actually moving in both directions at the same time?




http://abrahadabra.com/images/aniswirl.gif


there can be no doubt that the mind plays tricks...creates order from disorder and so on. it is possible to view these kinds of illusions as *real* at the level of experience. does that make them real at the level of reality?



m1thr0s




Wow M1thros.

If the centre point were stretched into a straight line & all points flowing from this straight line were based upon Euclidian concept,which determines that any parallel line from a point on a straight line will never meet another parallell line.:eek: All the non Eucludian Laws would ensure that the Eucludian laws are upheld by being the *packing*& one line never meet another,even if the line is twisted so as to form a point as your excellent diagram shows.This could represent one full 10 point,looking for another similar point for dimensional jump.Maybe it has met this other point,even?

Does this kind of explain what is going on here,where projecting outward is meeting projection inward at the same wavelength from presumably a similar
*point* somewhere else in the Multiverse,interacting:confused:

If it has a molten core then this could induce the inward/outward wave pattern,magnetised even>

I like this bigtime,what is the math then to make it real:rofl:

[Anibis]

m1 writes:


Not long ago when I was researching the plasmic sun theory I ran into a presentation that was promoting the idea that the earth had undergone a major climatic change within the last 5-6 thousand years, causing a general suppression of earth's own plasmic field from its former strength...suggesting that humans born after this time really inhabited a starkly different world than those born before it. Presumably the manifestation of godforms and many cosmic sorts of events (including the working of magick on the external environment) would have been greatly enhanced previous to this unexpected dampening.


That theory seems in line with the notion of the 'great ages' in Mayan Cosmology. they are roughly 5200 years in length. According to Arguelled. The last age started in 3113 BC, and corresponds more or less to the rise of the 'Historical' civilization marked by Partiarchal institutions, the spacial measurement of time, and the invention of writing/phonetic alphabets. This would symbolize also the idea of Humanity entering a segregated space of their own, rather than concieving of themselves as being naturally imbedded in the continuum of the natural world. Of course this is roughly the same era as 'the Fall'. The point is that this world era is due for a change... Guess when!?

-Anibis

Been reading Pinchbecks book on 2012, it's very lucid, and quite refreshingly sane...