The 'Spirit' / 'Breath' / 'Word' / 'Name' of God

[A. Ben-Shema]

The following are items quoted from my book (footnotes follow below):

The Holy Name or Word is itself the creative power and Life force of the Universe.[1] This omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient Primordial Vibration is the very Essence of God – Pure Spiritual Energy. It is the sustainer of all life, and operates through its own subtle vibration resonating in the breath of every living being.[2] In most ancient languages one single term is used to express both “breath” and “spirit” (e.g. Hebrew = rûach; Greek = pneuma; Latin = spiritus; Sanskrit = prana) – the ancients must surely have known the significance – the HOLY BREATH or SPIRIT. Jesus, like all other genuine Masters, would have actually revealed this Mystic Word / Name / Vibration (i.e. the “Holy Breath” = Spirit) to His close (dedicated) disciples. Only a living Master can reveal this greatest of all Mysteries to humanity. Scientists are beginning to understand these facts – e.g. that everything in the universe is actually vibrating, every atom and molecule – yet they will never discover the Primordial and Pure (ethereal) Vibration of God (the Spirit) unless they turn with humility, “like little children”, to the living Lord; for it is not something that can be observed or measured with scientific instruments. It should now be quite clear that when the original initiated apostles of Jesus were told by Him to baptise disciples into the 'Name' of the Father, Jesus was telling them to actually reveal – through Mystic initiation – this most sacred and ineffable Name / Word / Vibration, which resides in our breath. He was certainly not telling them merely to repeat His words like a 'parrot', as the orthodox churches do!

FOOTNOTES:

[1] The word “UNIVERSE” may be derived from 'uni' = “one”, and 'verse' = "harmonic cycle" / "vibration", viz. the Logos, Primordial Vibration, or Creative Power of God.

[2] See e.g. John 20:22 (http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?language=english&version=64&passage=john+20:22) "And with that He (Jesus) breathed on them and said, 'Receive the Holy Spirit'."; compare Gen 2:7 (http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?language=english&version=64&passage=gen+2:7) "The LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.", and also: "He (God) moves upon the fringes of the breath. He makes the breath His messenger." Psalm 104:3-4 (http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?language=english&version=64&passage=psalms+104:3-4). Most translations incorrectly give 'wind' instead of 'breath' (the primary meaning of the Hebrew rûach), as though God would use an element of weather as His messenger!
“But it is the Spirit in man, the 'breath' of the Almighty, that gives him Understanding.” Job 32:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?language=english&version=64&passage=job+32:8)

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Now it should be clear what the following command of God actually means:
“Thou shalt not take the Name of the Lord in vain.”
This has nothing to do with ‘blaspheming’, as the Divine Name of God cannot be spoken. The true (Spiritual) Name, as we have seen, is that Creative and Sustaining ‘Essence’ of all life – the very Breath (= Spirit) of God. Note that this commandment states that we must not “take” the Name in vain (i.e. take without value). The Divine Name or Word (i.e. the ‘Primordial Vibration’) resonates in each and every breath of air that we take (approx. 12,000 times every day). Not to be fully aware of (i.e. actually PERCEIVE, and thus genuinely esteem, value, and REALISE) this Spiritual and LIFE-GIVING Essence of God vibrating within each and every breath – this is indeed to ‘take’ the Name in vain!!! Cf. Job 32:8 (http://www.biblegateway.com/bible?language=english&version=64&passage=job+32:8)

PLU :)

[Darkwater]

What a great post.

The Egyptian Pantheon kinda back this up with Ptah(hhhhhhhhh),first breath which created the *one harmonic cycle* as well as the *multi harmonic cycle*as mapped by the ancient sphinx.

He *married* Sehkmet,great healer(and thus destroyer)

Namaste

Andy

[m1thr0s]

Jesus, like all other genuine Masters, would have actually revealed this Mystic Word / Name / Vibration (i.e. the “Holy Breath” = Spirit) to His close (dedicated) disciples. Only a living Master can reveal this greatest of all Mysteries to humanity.I happen to think this bit is way off the mark and seems to be a recurrent theme, so perhaps needs to be addressed. This way of thinking simply provides us with nothing productive at all. It only promotes a fantasy projection of spiritual mastery that services no one. People need to understand that the true "master" resides within - not without - and thus it is perfectly possible for any person - at any time - to draw upon that inner master to perfect himself/herself on all levels. It is not so much a matter of some "true master" coming along and imparting some unfathomable word from without as it is a matter of individuals finding that master within themselves that can elevate even the most common of words to a condition of uttermost perfection.

The words are known...there are no secret words really...there are no secret handshakes, secret pronunciations, secret anything that will make the difference that needs to be made in the human condition itself. What there is is a general lack of individuals assuming the true mantle of the godhead within and its no wonder that they do not do this more often when every time they turn around somebody else is telling them they can't hope to get anywhere without the special guidance of some enigmatic "true master" they can never hope to find. This is parasitic and wrong-headed on its face and we should really be just about fed up with it by now.

This whole line of thinking is skewed...it has to go. It has not worked before and it does not work now. It never will work because there is not and has never at any time been any other validatible god other than mankind himself...the rest is a fantasy projection that might as well ride upon a pink unicorn and blow roses out its ass for all the actual good it accomplishes any of us in reality.

This needs to be said, though no one may hear it...even if only one person should get it straight that puts our collective survival odds back in the black... we make far too much of these so-called spiritual masters. There is not one of them compares to the god that resides within ourselves. All that *other* god is nothing but a dodge...it has nothing to do with anything real.

m1thr0s

[Darkwater]

M1thros,

It is not complicated,your message is everywhere throughout Scots History & well defined in our songs & poetry,most recently Robert Burns.

*The mans the God*(for aw'that,an' aw that),

[Kuroyagi]

For me its a question of decency not to grovel in the dirt before (past) masters- cause how could one ever judge their worth without looking them in the face? Also -funnily- when one looks at the instances, the triggers that have inspired not only the founders of religions themselves, but also those of MA-disciplines and even trailblazing breakthroughs in science one sees that they were made/experienced by one man alone in isolation, seclusion or out of some unconventional inspiration or idea without the help of any master at all- that may often be a reason to suppose that they quasi "fell out of the sky".

[MythMath]

man created god in his own image... :p

[A. Ben-Shema]

I happen to think this bit is way off the mark and seems to be a recurrent theme, so perhaps needs to be addressed. This way of thinking simply provides us with nothing productive at all. It only promotes a fantasy projection of spiritual mastery that services no one. People need to understand that the true "master" resides within - not without - and thus it is perfectly possible for any person - at any time - to draw upon that inner master to perfect himself/herself on all levels. It is not so much a matter of some "true master" coming along and imparting some unfathomable word from without as it is a matter of individuals finding that master within themselves that can elevate even the most common of words to a condition of uttermost perfection.

The words are known...there are no secret words really...there are no secret handshakes, secret pronunciations, secret anything that will make the difference that needs to be made in the human condition itself. What there is is a general lack of individuals assuming the true mantle of the godhead within and its no wonder that they do not do this more often when every time they turn around somebody else is telling them they can't hope to get anywhere without the special guidance of some enigmatic "true master" they can never hope to find. This is parasitic and wrong-headed on its face and we should really be just about fed up with it by now.

This whole line of thinking is skewed...it has to go. It has not worked before and it does not work now. It never will work because there is not and has never at any time been any other validatible god other than mankind himself...the rest is a fantasy projection that might as well ride upon a pink unicorn and blow roses out its ass for all the actual good it accomplishes any of us in reality.

This needs to be said, though no one may hear it...even if only one person should get it straight that puts our collective survival odds back in the black... we make far too much of these so-called spiritual masters. There is not one of them compares to the god that resides within ourselves. All that *other* god is nothing but a dodge...it has nothing to do with anything real.

m1thr0s
Then, I assume, you do not believe in the necessity of the long line of Spiritual Teachers / Prophets / Buddhas / Messiahs / Avatars / Mahdis / Satgurus / etc. that have appeared throughout history and to every region of the world.

I most certainly do know the need for a living Spiritual Master (NOT one from history!) who can reveal the Mysteries of our inner selves. Yes, the answer lies within us, and we have to do the work, but the Master provides the key to unlock the door to our deepest (i.e. highest) level.

PLU :)

[Catalytic Subterfuge]

I am the master of my universe!

[m1thr0s]

Then, I assume, you do not believe in the necessity of the long line of Spiritual Teachers / Prophets / Buddhas / Messiahs / Avatars / Mahdis / Satgurus / etc. that have appeared throughout history and to every region of the world.If by *necessity* you surreptitiously insert any unnatural or unreasonable reliance, then yes, I most assuredly do reject this argument. There are *masters* in all walks of life and by their works and by their examples all things may prosper but the greatest master of all is forever ahead of the curve, residing as it does in the here and now within the heart of each of us. None of the great spiritual masters you allude to would dispute this because a true spiritual master finds inspiration and instruction wherever it resides...even in the smallest and most insignificant participants in the great dance of life itself.

We have no right to make more of mastership than ought to be made of it to further our own *necessary* insights and thus fulfill our own *necessary* destinies. As for the great keys you allude to, I fear you risk abusing or missing altogether the keys you have already been given in deference to the keys you have yet to obtain. One cannot attain to a legitimate mastery by attaching oneself to an imaginary one.

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

This all smacks of that New Age, White Light, St. Germaine, 7th/Rocky Mountain Mystery School BS.

Same old tired line.

If I was Jesus, I'd kill myself out of sheer embarrasment.


And frankly I would read through the bulk of the posts here A. Ben before pandering that crap here - you would already know that it would not fly, so either you're trolling a bit, or indeed just underinformed about whom you are having a discussion with @ AF...

If one is one's own master, then it does not well to speak of it directly, if one is another's master, then one is a tyrant, and if one is seeking a master, then one has already been broken.

We do teach each other... that is the essence of what the Thelemites call thelema, and how we learn to adapt as a species, but too much bowng and scraping is not good either for the student or the teacher, it can create an uncomfortable and sometmes even hostile environment because of unwanted attention that causes unhealthy inflation of the ego, or disillusionment and disappointment which causes resentment and deepens the misunderstanding even further. On any plane of existance.

This response is the just one of the reactions you will get in the world , but it is mine and take it soley as such. In matters spiritual, I'll always be blunt, there is too much on the line. Just because someone had something good to share, doesn't grant them, as a person, a position of cosmic preportions. It is the principles they tap, the light (or shadow) they shine itself that has the real authority. Look at the moon, not the finger pointing at it....

And any "master' in history has said the same...

If people only had the ears to listen.

grrrr.

My advise to you, should you accept it, is to blast free from the mold you are forming, for later in life it will become a cage. I've seen it too many times not to warn you about it. And instead of advertising yourself and your book, you should probably spend more time in practice of your arts, because if you don't..those that do can tell the difference....and whether or not your book is/will be good or bad, or accurate or not, is based more upon how well you have listened (observed) in your life, and less upon how much you have imposed yourself upon the world.

And by work I DON'T mean just sitting there calculating through some mathematical mish mosh ...I mean really working. If that bears explanation...well, go through all the archives here, every last one..and then report back.

Try to take all this in the right way, for that in itself is telling, because in the end you are loved, and as such any advise would and should be geared for you freedom, not your imprisonment.

Beware!



~D~

[m1thr0s]

I have a solemn responsibility to stand up to things I know to represent a real and present threat to those who may come here (1) to learn something from our posts here or (2) to hone their own knowledge, skills or abilities on any level.

It should not be taken as either a threat or blanket condemnation...I needn't make threats in this particular arena and I do not chuck babies out with bathwaters...

I do appreciate divergent points of view. None of us will very likely agree on everything at every moment in passing...

m1thr0s

[Darkwater]

We are not one harmonic cycle,we are a multiple harmonic cacophany,as it should be as this is our natural state.

Universe is too too tiny to even begin to think about restricting yourself too.

As for holy spirit or whatever,the three sharp breathes I take to get everything focused is close enough for me,remembering to keep breathing thereafter.

Namaste

Andy

[dev]

If one is one's own master, then it does not well to speak of it directly, if one is another's master, then one is a tyrant, and if one is seeking a master, then one has already been broken.

Nice Dragon - you are good with words AND have a cool mixing board!

Not to rule, nor be ruled!

Teach and learn!

Seek and find!

:cool:

[Dragon]

Such is the nature of opinions. We all have formed them for various reasons in our lives, this is our experience. Different stimuli produce different reactions,
as long as one is true to one's self, then these reactions remain honest.

Which is all I've ever desired from people.

People directionally jump as they do - how they do, stripped of morals and civilization, defines " their god" in my eyes. And I do use the term in the archtypical form, not the purjurative. To me, whenever God becomes a noun, it no longer is God, but a godform, which have their uses, but are not the end all to enlightenment. When we approach the veils, when form has fallen where there are no nouns and no verbs, tradition and religion no longer exist - de facto.

To me the Breath of God, or Word of God do not exist outside of Time and Space.
Powerful though they may be, in formation and governance of the universe, they are ultimately "capped".

a godform can die, so it is better to sort out the weaker forms from the stronger forms right off the bat. Whether or not it is a strong or weak godform is based upon it's real strength within those it projects through, and an "altitude" of reaction. Not all critics of White Light philosophy will always take the high ground, it can interact well up the Tree of Life in an ascension mode to a point, but mostly in kind of a "don't beat the hippie" kind of way. But if you come from below a little, you can see other layers to it. Things...reveal.

Perhaps.

And if any flaws arise. Usually the first one out is an inability to deal with shadow, and by extension, reflection. A. Ben, you're probably a great guy, studying hard on a long path, but I have heard all this language before, and that's kinda what I'm getting to here. What's new? Outside the realm of the Masters...what have you got in your pocketses? Give me something raw and tasty, not leftovers.

This is a reaction based upon experience after experience, and opinions on it will vary I suppose, they usually do in accordance with subjective thought. Get this one thing clear please - I'm not a hater, I'm a lover...

but I have pointy teeth, and a taste for illusion.




~d~

[izi]

Well I don't know Dragon, you know, you come across as kind of a draconian guy yourself so it's like - yeah, obviously you're going to be really against the idea of following masters.

That doesn't mean it's not a good thing in some instances. I get a lot out of following Hatsumi's writings, for instance, and all of his students refer to him as Soke (headmaster, grandmaster) as a term of respect and endearment.

There's a lot of this bowing and stuff that goes on throughout the eastern world - well all over the world, but the West has discarded it, primarily because of political movements I imagine - Kuroyagi would know better than me on that. America is also a very proud country, falsely so too, in some instances today, but it wasn't always that way.

In India you will get into a dance school and be expected to bow before the teacher, this is not really considered demeaning at all, and you get people who don't like it because they are very proud but it's not bad in itself I think, maybe just diverse. No one is being forced to show respect, but as a term of respect it's fine. (I took Indian dance at a Krsna temple when I was seven)

Alot of dynamic archetypes rely on the great devotion between one and another, for example - Arjuna and Krsna in the Bhagavad Gita, where Arjuna is often overwhelmed with devotion to Madhusudhana, yet is not thought less of a warrior because of his devotion (even though he kneels and begs Krsna for more wisdom) you also see this in the Hanuman archetype where Hanuman is always in the service of god as a master servant relationship that supports the entire structure of the universe.

There was an argument about this on Slashdot I read some time ago where master/slave was going to be stricken from technology talk in official arenas because it was offensive - geeks invent shit and call it the most sexualized innuendo they can think of - which makes technology much funnier - I still call my computer my box, for instance, lolz

Anyways I was going to find an article on Hanuman for you, he's got a weird and unusual yantra, gotta instill some new life in the Eastern forums anyways so perhaps I'll post that today - you may find it interesting.

Sometimes what's good for someone else is not always good for ourselves, and one needs to appreciate diversity in the context of freedom of choice.

[m1thr0s]

respecting a real teacher who is imparting real knowledge is a good thing...good for both student and teacher alike. I have no problem with that. I am opposed to the notion that one cannot hope to progress along a spiritual path without a *master's* presence. This simply is not the case. The rule of thumb here I think is that if you have such an opportunity you should almost always take it but if you do not you should not despair...many of the word's greatest teachers are themselves largely self-taught and there is such an abundance of written materials and so much you can devise on your own initiative that the lack of any *master* needn't restrict a person at all. In all too many cases it actually hinders people as they become too reliant upon their external masters and fail to awaken the master within...

I am not saying it is an easy way to proceed but it is by no means hopeless. For some, who may already be set upon largely uncharted waters to begin with, it can even turn out to be the only way any real progress can possibly be made. In some ways you can compare this to any creative endeavor...you can always blame your failure to write a book on the fact that you don't have a computer or you never took any writing classes or a million other things...all of which would probably be a real help for most people. Or you can just get the hell over it and write your book however you can manage it...the writing itself will instruct you so long as you are paying attention to what you are doing...so long as you are listening to yourself and discovering how to critique your work on-the-fly...

not easy...but it can definitely be accomplished.

m1

[The Cove]

Greetings -

Nothing wrong with bowing and so on - do it all the time.

Never had a Master - have wished for a Mistress now and then...

Worship of Dead Heroes is a Healthy, Ancient sort of Thing.

Assuming that they shall return in some sort of cyclic manner, is fair game across the players board as far as my piece can see.

Ones says, "When the Master comes!"

The Other, "You are the Master!"

Seems they are both right - just not at the same time.

Or rather, both statements answer each other.

Blah, de Blah, Blah...

Yo.

[m1thr0s]

There is a popular saying in occultism:
"When the Student is ready the Master will appear".

What I am saying is that this "Master" may not always be some person who shows up out of the blue and bonks you on the head per se...it can just a readily be an internal process and can come to you in all kinds of ways...

One should focus on "right thinking" and "right action" whether convenient or inconvenient, whether the way is clear or chaotic, and not succumb to stereotypical notions of how one's progress can or cannot be achieved.

m1

[izi]

i really hated the idea of ever acquiring a teacher or seeking one out so you know, it's not like I disagree either...I'm just presenting an alternate viewpoint....


Dragon I also can't handle full on god all the time, my head is only so big and it takes a lot of stretching to wrap your whole mind around the complete entirety of universe, after about a week of that shit everyone "less enlightened" around me became sick of me laying around naked in my backyard meditating in complete bliss, once in a while you need to just pull back and settle for "a godform" or whatever you want to call it

aka my nigga ningishzidda homies...

peace


that's a good one m1thr0s - another is zen and it goes "If you look for it you can't find it"

[m1thr0s]

We are not one harmonic cycle,we are a multiple harmonic cacophany, as it should be as this is our natural state.coolbeans...I might wanna frame that line...:cool:

m1

[Amur]

Hmm, I must say that ALL words and concepts of the mind are _VERY_ limited in relation to the real thing. I must say that most people cannot even begin to imagine how well beyond their own Godhead is. Pictures and metaphors/symbols are better ways to map these things than with words. A funny thing is that I've been asked 2 times telepathically by children & infants why the hell no one uses the built-in telepathic system in humans. One time happened at a spiritual convention, and the other happened at my home and was the landlords child. I'm guessing that most people are so broken up and filled with demons/whatnot weird things that the whole system has gone off-line although it seems to be working on another subconscious level.

Anyway, because the words are so limiting, I must say that I don't believe any of the 'Word of God' crap. I think it's fake and misleading in all ways. Of course one can make pointers like the 'Word of Perfection' which is a good concept in itself already. It's also nice to have the God-form concept, which can be used for many things.

I've done quite a bit of investigation into God Himself, and all I have found is Myself. The problem seems to evolve mostly about how I can integrate this God-Self into my everyday human-being, so it seems to be mostly about surrendering to it and letting it do the things. The problem is, how can I teach ppl about this God-Self if they have been forbidden it in the past(Christianity for example). In many many senses I see Christianity as a failed concept and something which should be removed. It is also funny to see how 'desperately' they/humanity is seeking a New Christ, a New Prophet, someone to take this ship into another direction. In many ways I don't see the teachings of Christ to be that good, and he doesn't even show a very good example in someplaces, I can understand his frustration for being on this planet, but still it's not nice to say that kind of things about the people. For me Buddha for example feels far more wise in his ways and more compassionate. But then again the inner-Christ I've met seems to know what the hell is happening on this planet, and how it can be fixed. But of course again this inner-Christ is a part of myself and a piece of my own Heart.

Hmm, anyway, I've got many friends who actually remember creating this universe, including myself, I know I've had my share in creating this creation. Which is also one reason why I would very much like to see it function as it was meant to be.

I think universe word is much better to split up into U-n-I-Verse. Which kinda means My Eternal Love. +/- being bound to each other in a Twin Flame type of love(but again it might evolve around which 'game' one has chosen). Everyone has got their Most Beloved, which is really just themselves in the other polarity. The love they have for each other is so powerful that one can actually cause big bangs(Creations) with it. This is why I feel that it is Eternity approaching Eternity for 2012. When descending from the highest vibration we divide into 2 polarities, when going back into Godhood we unify again and melt together to form this bond.

I have to agree with Dragon, if I was Jesus I would also kill myself from Existence from share embarrasment. Poor fellow really, I think he needs help :) But he did do a good thing with turning God(outside) into a Loving and Caring Father figure. In this way the crazy God of the Old Testament got turned into something Loving and Caring. For what wouldn't a Father do for his sons/daughters ;)

**edit note: What I forgot to mention was that one can actually heal ones whole being with just simple conscious breathing, and there comes a shitload of energy from this practice also.

[m1thr0s]

I sort of feel like I've drawn to a trump card in this conversation that begs a little clarification. The assertion "There is no God but Man" is, in my opinion, one of the single most important philosophical assertions to have come down the pike in millennia, but it is an assertion sufficiently ahead of its time as to confuse most people in my experience.

It doesn't mean "there is no god" and it doesn't even mean "man is god" or "god is man" specifically since these are separate discussions altogether. Rather it is a carefully phrased philosophical point of order that is stipulating an indivisible subject-object relationship with respect to that which we call "God". It is asserting that there can be no "god of abraham" without there first be an abraham, no brahman of buddha without there first be a buddha and so on down the line. Whether or not these may be the same thing - the same being or phenomena - we can never really know, since it is not possible for people to have the exact same perceptions of even the simplest things, let alone anything as fundamentally incomprehensible as "God".

People have been quick to assert an unbroken lineage with respect to the phenomena called "God" that only actually serves ulterior human motives. It is not, in fact, physically possible for this to ever be the case since "God" by its very definition, is only ever a glimpse of that which resides beyond the grasp of mortal comprehension. As soon as we put any definition to it, it ceases to be all that it is. Hence the phrase "There is no God but Man" is returning us to the same exact philosophical point of order stipulated by Lao Tzu some 5-6000 years ago when he states "That which is called the Tao is not the Tao" and then goes on to lay down a whole battery of supporting arguments for maintaining this point of order at all times with respect to any discussions of the Tao.

This subject really requires an entire topic unto itself but since I have drawn to this card in this topic, I feel like a little clarification may be called for. It is not my position that there is no God and it is not my position that God and Man are the exact same thing. It is simply my assertion that we will never be able to separate any discussion of God from the person or persons discussing it.

m1thr0s

[Darkwater]

coolbeans...I might wanna frame that line...:cool:

m1

*gasps*:)ty

It kinda flows from a line of thought I am exploring with my systers wyrde right now,3 dark sisters & a translucent is my usual,though on this occasion their are more(with Naomi chipping in occasionaly;))

The *union* is based on one of your diagrams,m1,a very helpful tool in order to further pierce the illusion/veil & see how our harmonic order/cacophony fits with the larger cacophony,our projecting from a 10d point.

Cheers

Andy

[Anibis]

man created god in his own image... :p

And then came Aqualung.... :yes:
-An-

[A. Ben-Shema]

It seems that this thread has gone a little off the original subject ~ the Holy NAME / WORD / LOGOS / SPIRIT / BREATH ~ the very ESSENCE of ELOHIM.

Whether or not a Spiritual Master (= YAHWEH) is really necessary to reveal this great 'mystery' of ELOHIM is another subject altogether, and, perhaps, might be dealt with in another thread.

PLU :)

[m1thr0s]

Whether or not a Spiritual Master (= YAHWEH) is really necessary to reveal this great 'mystery' of ELOHIM is another subject altogether, and, perhaps, might be dealt with in another thread.sure...this would almost certainly be a useful discussion... :)

m1thr0s

[Darkwater]

Just as earth appears as an insignificant speck of dust among the multiverse,a tiny note amongst the cacophony,and human in isolation an even more remote & insignificant.

By the (Universal) Law of Love it is possible to become superior within your own being(ecstatic self love),as per mandala of Anubis & Book of Pleasure(pleasure is illusion/all is love).This is the difficult part,to accept yourself for all that you are & all that you are not, & love yourself.

the(universal) law of love which flows from a realised being,a lover,on how love another is simple,in 2 steps.

I shall use Man & woman as my example,though any loving relationship between two persons is appropriate,it becoming more complex with 3 or more reaching higher/deeper levels which take some practice to handle proficently without doing you or your partners damage.

Universal Law of Love(once you love & accept yourself)

(1)Man should love,respect & adore woman.

(2)It would always be better if woman were to follow man.

As simple as that,No blockages within your own bodies natural energy flow so as to unite with the natural energy flow of the Multiverse.

Self love = determines Pitch

Love=determines Tone.

The message is in the music,unification of seperation being the main thrusts.

I'll stick with my systers wyrde.

For all that & all that,the mans the god for aw that.& man to man shall brothers be,for aw that & aw that!

I'll do a wee seperate thread too,maybe,on harnessing the energy of a star,which is a doddle anyone with an open mind can(and should) do?

It has nothing to do with spiritual masters,though I am grateful to A.Ben Shema for his input & clarity.

ty

Andy

[Dragon]

Well, if we are examing Logos, Word, Breath, I'm there, hell, this whole site is primarily based upon direct work with Logos.. It's a worthy conversation, but religious references in the first post enticed me to try and flush out some terms, and offer the possiblilty, that perceptions on the Word might not be entirely traditional or religious in nature, although no less sacred in the hearts of people..


I also agree that the philisophical discussion that erupted here should be continued. Just when we hit a key turn in the stream -

Nailed a good one m1, fucking very well put.

~D~

[Darkwater]

i like the first part alot but it drops off into rancid abyss halfway through there DW

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i've spent most of my life face to face with the simple fact of the matter i'd make a better man than almost every single male I've ever met and same for women of course, yet women are severely disadvantaged in every corner of this globe so the first course of action is recreation of man (in the sense you mean here, human males) on practically every level.

It's never better for woman to always follow man.

I'm always cautious about patriarchal bullshit and if any guy told me I should follow them I would simply ignore or displace them. Respect is earned and granted and never asked for, anyone that stupid has lost their place in the grand order of things and will cease to exist just like the demigod that inspired that meme.

at the end of all things the true power of ancient patriarchial energy is inyan solid rock, endless and unmoving, no following occurs, there is no bottom, only more fire as we reach in and return into the core of existence itself

and surrounding all, the great black emptiness of nothing, warm and unfathomable, incomprehensible and unpredictability against the face of the absolute

he follows and is solitary

if she's following you you're being hunted anyways....if it doesn't end (or start)with claws and teeth she wasn't the real thing anyways...just space dust waiting to be refashioned...

jai kali ma little boys

I love the strength & depth of your self love,not just for you but for the entire female(and male),according to their circumstance.Specimin female love,strength & beauty.

If (specimin-say Ning for instance)male could realise that his SOLE purpose on this earth is to love,respect & adore female,then specimin female would be irrestitibly drawn to specimin male anyway,would she not?Neither would ever have to ask anything of the other.

Don't let your*personal* & hard won experience stand in your way or bar you from the inner sanctum of the temple,the outer area is great BUT will exhaust you.It's the same for guys btw,honest,unless they are emotional planks of wood.

Try it with Ng,don't let him bully you.Teach him so as to let him evolve too,part of his healing.

I am speaking from my experience with Kybele(earth mother) whom I passed(gulp),then helped(exhausted) Vishnu to pass,causing great harmony among the pantheon.

Get it closer to the heart is all I can suggest.Know thyself,however.

Namaste

Andy.

ps,I have another theory too if this dosen't work,which you may like better?

[m1thr0s]

yes, upon review, I think this topic did, in fact, veer off from the very first post, so a little damage control is probably in order. If there is any difficulty in this it is only that I feel like most of our more experienced posters on this forum are already well aware of the starting assertions:

The Holy Name or Word is itself the creative power and Life force of the Universe.[1] This omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient Primordial Vibration is the very Essence of God – Pure Spiritual Energy. It is the sustainer of all life, and operates through its own subtle vibration resonating in the breath of every living being.[2] In most ancient languages one single term is used to express both “breath” and “spirit” (e.g. Hebrew = rûach; Greek = pneuma; Latin = spiritus; Sanskrit = prana) – the ancients must surely have known the significance – the HOLY BREATH or SPIRIT.all of this strikes me as fundamentally true, so that the next question that arises is what to do with this truth...how best to put this understanding into actual practice. For myself, I see this more as leading up to principles of Mantra...not so much any special endorsement of living spiritual masters et al. What this tells us, I think, is that we can generally expect the most evolved "names of god" to be pathways to god-consciousness directly and we should be looking for ways to utilize these names in our various reality-creation exercises, or else visualization works aimed at elevating consciousness itself.

Old news to many of us but still worth discussing since the ways and means by which we may approach this matter will tend to vary greatly and only rarely do we see much practical discussion involving the pros & cons of one or another physical techniques. It is also possible to glean from this that only a "living master" can resolve any of this and this might even be true but for a built-in catch-22, that we do not possess any reliable way of identifying this kind of mastery if we do not also possess a body of principle sufficient to distinguish him/her...hence they are typically only recognized many years after the fact, save for whatever small followings they may have ignited within their mortal years.

At the end of the day I think we are left with no better recourse than to attempt to hash out that body of principle and leave off all other fundamentally idle speculations. Not an easy task in any case, but it can at least be attempted. In general, I have found it can be surprisingly productive simply confining my own topics to actual tried-and-true maps and/or techniques, alongside whatever underscoring data may be found supporting these assertions... In this way we can attack action itself and needn't weigh ourselves down in "paralysis by analysis" as it has been rightly called.

m1thr0s

[Darkwater]

I know that you are busy & always appreciate any timeout you can give me,I am no nodding donkey heh heh.

In life,love determines everything we do,say or act.

The strongest love bond is with the mother,then friends/lovers,colleagues etc.everyone you meet in life.

Lifestyle decisions determine your actions once you identify your(everchanging) priorities ie,in church you would not behave as you do in a pub,in the company of thieves it would be immoral NOT to steal,if you behave with your wife as you would your friends then this would also cause*conflict of interests*.

The main thing to avoid in all circumstances is stagnation,always keep it fresh.

Wom'ban is greater than m'ban imo.If she starts to believe this herself & does not adhere to rule 2 then she can go get screwed alsewhere as I attract beings resonating upon a higher level,preferrably living/breathing specimin or something else until one is made manifest ?

As with all wom'ban,my wife would naturally desire to be true to herself in her natural state without a stupid guy hanging around yet something keeps her coming back for more?heh heh.

My other theory is that the Naomi are at the very roots of the tree of life,weaving away at the fabric of reality while others inhabit other parts in relative comfort(or illusion of *comfort*/*normality*) & shall never understand you or the work which you are doing.

It is well documented in some pantheon,mainly Norse to my knowledge which is the best I can do if you want me to elaborate?

gtg myself,

laters

DW

[m1thr0s]

This needs to go to PM folks - or start a spin-off topic please...

I am trying very hard to repair a topic here...

m1

[Darkwater]

*Paralysis by analysis* is something I completely agree with M1thros,it stagnates the very point in question by dragging a simple observation in all directions.

The pitch & tone of a note(s) are on a scale,though some people just send out distress signals/sounds which should be avoided if they cannot be healed.

Similarly the people of clear thought throughout the ages end up hated,despised & persecuted at the time(Socrates,for one)although end up being held in very high veneration thousands of years later once people think through the guys message,the same message which causes people distress during his lifetime by causing them to have to engage their brains & think slightly differnetly because of new perspective.

Loads of differnet thought patterns flow from the original post as each identifies with the(simple) message as far as they can uptake & have the ability to impart.

imho,the Naomi(and I) are not too far off topic & will go pm immediately.ahem.

[m1thr0s]

just a caution...I wander about myself...it's only natural...

thanks,

m1