Alchemy for spirits that are lost?

[Amur]

Hmm when somekind of awakening took place, I got led into this cemetary where I stared at the sun through a pine tree and lift my hands to the side with the intention of performing somekind of world-wide miracle(well it wasn't me that did it, more like God or nature). Anyway, I also had the intention of raising every dead spirit to help in changing the world(and getting restored to their true state). Apparently this whole thing caused alot of troubles for me and many got very hurt by what I did as I used more rage than love in the thing, even though the rage is based on love. After this power-gesture got made I started getting contacted by all kinds of weird agencies from all around the world, they had noticed the power-surge and saw me as someone who held alot of power even though I just followed the instructions that were given and thus did nothing.

For some reason a few weeks or a month later I for some reason let in every spirit into my system which in turn caused quite alot of destruction and insanity for me. Why I haven't yet died as a consequence is what I'm wondering about. Anyway after alot of weirdness I've started to return to where I was before all this happened. Which means that alot of spirits have gotten cleared out from the system. But still yesterday when I saw how things really looked there were A LOT of spirits howering about me like a swarm of insects and got a bit afraid because they were so many. What I'm really wondering is what I should do to these spirits that are more or less lost from themselves and the universe. If you've got anykind of knowledge about what to do or where to send them or anything else about the current situation I would be pleased to know. At the moment it feels like I should re-establish their connection to the planet consciousness itself. What I'm also wondering is if there is any fast approach to this, or if I need to go through the spirits one by one to cleanse them and return them to their state. This in turn would take really long time since they are so many.

One way to deal with them might be to become this giant demon, which in turn would work in the underworld, since it might take alot of energy to turn this tide around, but still I'm a bit lost to as what to do with them. Perhaps a real shaman could give me an answer about it hmm.. Anyway, I'm happy to hear what you think of the situation....

[Kuroyagi]

I would in your stead see two options depending on how you want to proceed further:

- Either you dismiss them bannish them so that they can return to you again at a later calling. A classical shaman -when calling all his spirits- has also vertiable legions of them at his command. Spirits like that often appear in huge masses, see also xtian angels and saints who "are living in the clouds"- which means that they are somehow united and seperated both- in god...and what is god, ...this leads to the second option...

-or: to absorb them unto you, all of them as quickly as you can, maybe via your top of head if you like, thereby "discover the god in you" as its classically called...depends on your perspective etc..

[Amur]

I would in your stead see two options depending on how you want to proceed further:

- Either you dismiss them bannish them so that they can return to you again at a later calling. A classical shaman -when calling all his spirits- has also vertiable legions of them at his command. Spirits like that often appear in huge masses, see also xtian angels and saints who "are living in the clouds"- which means that they are somehow united and seperated both- in god...and what is god, ...this leads to the second option...

-or: to absorb them unto you, all of them as quickly as you can, maybe via your top of head if you like, thereby "discover the god in you" as its classically called...depends on your perspective etc..

First I thought they would've been useful in world war 3, but apparently world war 3 was stopped before it began so I got to come up with something else for them to work with. In a way I equate these messy spirits to the messed up morphogenetic field on this planet. So healing the spirits should heal the whole network/field.

Hmm, there are times when I've simply let go of the resistance and become this God within with the consequence of angering ppl on the other side (this event happened over internet in some odd way). Whenever I reach this state there is a counter-force which is very chaotic and that wants to drag me down again. This counter-force is what I see that all humans are trapped in for some odd reason. In a way I see the counter-force as my wordly ego that is trying to stop me. But then again when I take it to that step this is all just My Dream and I am all the actors in the dream (even my father and mother), which kinda makes it odd lol. Perhaps I should explore that viewpoint more as it might give something valuable.

[Naomi]

I find it useful when these types of experiences occur is to step outside of engaged activity and observe what is going on. Sometimes the things we scry are pulling us into their dreamstate and we may lose control of the situation by relating to closely to it instead of simply grabbing the information and analyzing it.

Future cannot be predicted reliably because of chaos - our minds will never catch up with whole reality nor even whole planetwide system.

So you're seeing time as a river, and you can see downstream evidence of where a flow will take you but this isn't always reliable. We may end up overcompensating for dangers that don't exist.

Yet, where there's smoke, there's fire (concept of Linga in Hinduism) so what you can do is verify this with multiple sessions and possibly start examining it from a generalized standpoint - for instance, I cannot seem to pinpoint what the disaster will be (you've seen it also, as have a few other people on the forum) but I have pinpointed certain dates that I have repeatedly scryed that seem to be pretty reliable (to me) we don't use oracles anymore as a society except as entertainment so my work is fairly much useless except as my own hobby -

the dates are

40 years from now (major global catastrophe, unknown)
300 years from now (worldwide peace - or if you like, huge population reduction)
approximately 600-700 years from now (make it or break it date for humanity)

It's not real - these are predictions based on accumulated data. It's important to remember that, Amur. Maybe not when you're in the thick of it. But falling back into a relaxed state of non-attachment can be most beneficial.

I also find that spirits of the dead are best left to the dead gods and dead worlds...in mythology the living must never interfere with the underworld and if they must do so, it is a great peril to themselves.

But maybe a few cleansing rituals would be good for you....

[Kuroyagi]

Hmm, there are times when I've simply let go of the resistance and become this God within with the consequence of angering ppl on the other side (this event happened over internet in some odd way). Whenever I reach this state there is a counter-force which is very chaotic and that wants to drag me down again. This counter-force is what I see that all humans are trapped in for some odd reason. In a way I see the counter-force as my wordly ego that is trying to stop me. But then again when I take it to that step this is all just My Dream and I am all the actors in the dream (even my father and mother), which kinda makes it odd lol.
Yes I see...maybe the problem is to maintain a state that is both at the same time, cause if you dont consolidate the view that you are all with the one that you are what you termed "worldly ego" you will become "schizophrenic"/split up and lose parts of both; yet if you go the way of the All exculsively then you'll become paranoic, meaning that you will be under the impression that you are the Lord of All and that all is under your command; but being under this one-sided conviction exclusively is equally faulty cause you are also "you" as much as all, and if you act on that All stuff alone you will destroy the you in consequence, completely.

I have often experienced that I am all persons of a "story" in dream but also "me", yet not as if acting but really being both. I mention this since you said that it was like a dream to you...I think actually via dream, in dream you can learn to gain that consciousness of "both positions at the same time" and train it so that you can maintain that also when "awake"

...another topic thats connected could be the Tao and the inbetween position of "maybe"/neutrality of things like "Chaos Magic" but the former is closer to what I have experienced...but you may want to research those, too...

[Amur]

Thank you very much for your words again Naomi, I will begin the non-attached observation of the phenomena at once.

I also feel that there are 2 paths to take for humanity, either they start to willingfully reduce their population number or then nature will do it for them, which might be a more violent path. It is all something to cause a natural balance again. Thinking that another choice might be to find a new more efficient way of living and using living-space, this could also clean up alot.

As for the underworld thing, I think this all happened because I made a shamanic initiation. I'm probably one of the dumbest to even do this kind of initiation as it feels like the shaman's path isn't really that nice, but yet very nice heh. Actually everything begun after this initation in the forest.

I can see how it is a great peril to drop into this underworld-soup. Read from this book about shamanism around the world that one might drop into the couldron and most that do so die or make suicide, but those that do survive are then trained to become shamans.

Yes I see...maybe the problem is to maintain a state that is both at the same time, cause if you dont consolidate the view that you are all with the one that you are what you termed "worldly ego" you will become "schizophrenic"/split up and lose parts of both; yet if you go the way of the All exculsively then you'll become paranoic, meaning that you will be under the impression that you are the Lord of All and that all is under your command; but being under this one-sided conviction exclusively is equally faulty cause you are also "you" as much as all, and if you act on that All stuff alone you will destroy the you in consequence, completely.

Thank you alot for this, I'll begin to explore the opposite side of the 'Me Dreaming aBout Myself' and see what it yields.

It does feel that because of the spirits that were let in the right side (opposite of Dreaming side) got completely destroyed, and now I should find someway to restore that soul-part back so I could find the vibration of myself again and start acting on that frequency.