Trance Pitfalls

[Naomi]

This is a response to Amur's diatribe in the swastika thread.

The point I come to here is how far out can you extend....you have to keep pushing the boundaries further and further until you encompass at least half of the universe. It is actually quite impossible to even mentally encompass the entire universe I think, personally, you need two instances to do this just as is the case with holographic universe theory and the two particles required to project a single construct.

Just like overlaying the two swastikas

I learned how to extend outwards just over 8 years ago. I started with my living room. It was difficult at first but I managed to projet enough to be able to sense material objects in the room with me. After a few months of exercising my astral body I could extend over cities and the continent of North America itself. Later I learned how to envelop the whole planet.

I liken this to what happens with Glaciers. As they move across space (land) they pick up fossil record and contaminants of these areas.

Amur, if you're moving across large quantities of space and mind with your mind, you are picking up things...they have to be dealt with just like a shark deals with its parasites by allowing cleaner fish to groom it.

You might just start by blasting anything that comes near you - that's what I had to do for a couple of years.

I get what you might be experiencing is a stopping point where you're unable to extend beyond the planet...

Bardon talks about this in one of his books, about the special area around the earth preventing humans from emerging from it under normal circumstances - as minds. I don't know how it works, it's just a theory.

What happened is I was eventually able to push beyond the planet's boundaries and out into the solar system, this helped things tremendously - there's a lot out there that is much more "resolved" than what we find in this turbulent blue ball. The last major extension I made took me out beyond the Kuiper belt and into the realm of galaxies...I wasn't able to extend further than this without assistance.

You hear a lot about expanding to the edges of the universe with mind alone, but it can't be done at the level of individual - one must learn to let go individuality to become Supreme Absolute - ie, persona....it doesn't become destroyed, it just gets lost - temporarily - in a sea of mind so vast no single human mind can contain it. Though in us all we have the bottomoless well that leads to the eternal undying self, and the endless sea of universal mind.

You were talking about how "god" appears to be "mad at you" In Gnosticism we have the Demiurge model to look at. I actually studied Gnosticism specifically for this particular bit of occult brilliance - the Demiurge I think is nothing but a figment of our mind, but it's important too look at as a face of death that opposes our natural growth and evolution.

In many religions, god is not capable of being "angry" with us - he - it - is not even aware of us. Just as we are not aware of the individual cells in our bodies normally, I think...

Supreme Godhead has no reason to curse or hate anyone, nor any reason to deny its own existence, which you are a part of.

hare krsna


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[Amur]

Well, what I've been fighting all this years seems to be somekind of Godform which promotes a simple unity as a resolution to the problems on this planet, which I think is just bullshit and a way to control the stupid herd. Instead of this simple unity I've tried to suggest a complex unity where everyone are different, instead of having somekind of simple formula for everyone. Everyone are after all individuals with alltogether their own path. So in this way unity would go through diversity only.

Interesting you mention about the expansion thing, as when I started to feel one day how big my aura was, it was a shitload bigger than I had thought. The problem with this is that it should be strong enough to be able to sustain itself, but instead it's got holes here and there where different kinds of negative energy gets it's foothold. I actually started feeling alot better when I got really violent about this negative energy and started killing every signal on sight. Anything that came I just punched a hole into, which seemed to clean up alot of space. Another way to clean the space would be to just emit love towards everything, as it has a tendency to rise the vibration alot. Anyway the problem with myself seems to be that I'm trapped between a traumatic event and into negative programming, as I seem to converge towards negativity itself, letting in all kinds of spirits that come across. And it feels like there's a lot of this shitty negativity in this country, I'm actually not the only one who is destroyed by it, know some others also who got a huge problem here because they are too sensitive...

[Naomi]

Hmm. It sounds to me like what you are fighting is a common misconception in the attainment of moksha.

Individuality does not exist at a certain level of development. If you can let go of that for a moment and surrender to it you open up gates to bliss untold, the merging of mind into macrocosmic mind and there is no way to control that at the level of "I"ness

You experience universal consciousness but without much control at all - there's no way to control much of it, it would be like a kid trying to drive a semi truck.

It may be a matter of economy Amur - from what I've seen this world isn't the best playground for individuality right at this point in time - to save the ecosystem we may actually need just such simple universal formula.

Or maybe I'm wrong - maybe we all just need to loosen up and stop condemning eah other for wrongs that are not wrong in the eyes of universe itself. Even if the universe cared to look at all.

But one path, if I could choose one, would be to try and save the planet from going under - that's all. And very few "individuals" are throwing their weight into this solution at all. If we save the planet we save us all - there's plenty of room for individuality.

I really have no idea what the solution is, but it will not be easy, that's for certain. Humans are so incredibly godamned stupid at times - I wonder if we're even going to make it at all. The few exceptions amongst friends and family make it all alright I guess.

[Amur]

The unity with Cosmic consciousness is something which is embedded into the human brain directly (the left side), it is a dream of Me about Myself where everyone is involved. I suppose this is a way to make humans a collective being, it's quite neat to actually warp into that God-state, and it's even funnier to start manifesting all kinds of absurd events around ones life from that state. What is still a mystery is how the right side is manufactured, would be interesting to get into it's secret also. But I suppose it will come with time.

[m1thr0s]

simple formulas only work if they can support infinite diversities...check with nature itself on this one...

a nose is a nose is a nose...yet no two are ever the same.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

And why not that there is already a simple solution in place to fix all of that - nature provides...

That's why one doesn't need to worry so much about there being a way out of some mental state, only concentrate on finding the solution, however obscured it is, if one can focus on that then they are very much in a good position to attain to it.