Difference noticed in working with TOL and TS

[Radiant Star]

I have noticed a difference when I work with the qabalah and the Twin Star and its triangle.

When I work on the tree, I am the explorer and things are more reflective, things are initiated by me and uncovered by me (mostly), whereas when I am working with the Twin Star in its triangle (without the circle meditation bit added), it seems more assistive, I am not the explorer so much as the guided and nurtured traveller. I am taken and shown or encouraged. There are invitations, gifts and support.

Has anyone else noticed anything like this?

[Naomi]

The tree fields 001/P'an Ku mirror (http://www.abrahadabra.com/treefields001.htm)? Or just the tree of life diagram?

[Radiant Star]

I am talking very simply here about doing paths on the tree, and arriving at the points, probably called sephiroth or sephira. I work more in pictures, patterns and colours in my head so the correct terms may not be the ones I use lol

Basically I noticed this difference when doing the Thoth Count, I might just point out thought that I may not actually be doing it as expected! Its a walk through images in my mind more than a full understanding of concepts and principles behind it all. Its an experience that sometimes calls for myself or an image of myself participating with very few words and terms, just simple invitations or guidance.

So whether it is Pan Ku or anything else, I am not sure, to me it just looks like a picture of the tree that I have seen in books and on the net, maybe there are several different trees and I am confused, who knows? well, I don't know yet, but for the moment, I am experiencing and looking and wondering at the difference in that.

[m1thr0s]

No, the P'an Ku vs Nu Kua arrangements only has any meaning in terms of hexagrammal fields...it's a specific MA terminology.

But the TwinStar is rooted in the Tetractys and this is Logos itself...this is as close to the HGA as you're ever going to get in a symbol, so it doesn't surprise me at all to hear it is being especially helpful and illuminating things as you go.

It sounds like your experiments are going well RadiantStar. This is always good to hear.

Note: Understandably, a little confusion will creep into things as regarding Mutational Alchemy itself since not everything Abrahadabra reveals is restricted to MA. It's important to bear in mind that the Tetractys is its own Agent, independant of MA, which is a language and methodology corresponding to hexagrammal field alignments.

It is entirely possible (and perhaps even advisable) to work with the Tetractys without ever engaging hexagrammal fields at all. If I had to trash everything and start over completely from scratch...the one thing I would not let go of would be the Tetractys itself...it is preeminently The Lamp.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

The twinstar has a lamp symbol right in the middle, I think that's cool.

I think the Twinstar is a lot bigger and older than the tree of life geometry and it's also much harder to bridge the flesh to symbol communication barrier because you have to be extremely receptive to hear and also interpret the language. In most cases I would hav eto go through the hexagrammal fields to have a dialogue with the twinstar, or some other interface.

The twinstar is a component and proponent of maintaining life of all sorts while the tree defines parameters of this partitioned block of maya.

The Trees stretches from top to bottom of the triangle while the twinstar confines itself to the broad lower realms of the 10,000 forms and I really am interested in....

ok lost my train of thought

um...

oh, the Twinstar doesn't advise or provide options, it just works, and it doesn't waste time. It's very logical, like Spock.

I think the twinstar is like Spock and the tree is more like captain Kirk....

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[m1thr0s]

I think the Twinstar is a lot bigger and older than the tree of life geometry and it's also much harder to bridge the flesh to symbol communication barrier because you have to be extremely receptive to hear and also interpret the language. In most cases I would hav eto go through the hexagrammal fields to have a dialogue with the twinstar, or some other interface.That may be entirely dependent upon personality and temperament...other factors as well...the way your mind works generally. It was pretty much the opposite for me...the Tetractys has led the way on all my most important discoveries.

m1

[Naomi]

I was speaking of the Twinstar with the Tree of Life, not the Twinstar versus the Tetractys, I understand the Twinstar is held within the Tetractys framework so that wouldn't make sense.

[m1thr0s]

The Tetractys is certainly older than the Tree historically...trees have been around of course...different modalities... But in general it is the Triangle at the core of Tantra as far back as we can track it. It's kind of curious really since the Triangle was not always comprehended by human beings. If we go back far enough in time we lose all trace of it, whereas spirals and things can still be found. It's as though recognition of the Triangle itself set us on a new evolutionary course...

I had this discussion privately with Dragon recently. There are 5 "universal" symbols most common to humankind, yet the triangle is not among them! Maybe he'll come along and post them. At first this rather annoyed me but then it began to make more sense. Understanding of the triangle reconfigured everything for human beings but it hasn't really been that long...10,000 years maybe, thereabouts...not even an eye-blink in evolutionary time.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Is that so?

In kachinas the triangle always serves as a mouthpiece motif often, and is reserved for only certain types - the sun, (tawa) crow mother (angwusomtaqwa) and snow maiden (nuvatsinmana) just to name a few.

Nuvatsinmana is depicted with a tetractys above each of her "eyes" (really just a yin line)

[m1thr0s]

It's possible there are isolated pockets for whom this may be an exception...I really don't know for sure. Obviously the triangle had a major impact once it was more widely acknowledged...it really took off hard and seems to have played an enormous role in architecture and the advance of science overall. Military applications alone made it a formidable force to reckon with...

But again...all of this is relatively recent stuff...well within that approximate 10,000 year time frame...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Very interesting m1thr0s...it's true there are also not a whole lot of natural triangles - some reptiles and spiders carry them in their patterns and webbing but on the human body you only really find it in the shape of the groin.

Wasn't the arrowhead invented about 400,000 years ago though?

[m1thr0s]

sure...and there's probably all kinds of places we could find its applications...lean-to's...tents etc...but it isn't found anywhere in symbolic representations of physical or spirit world much at all. So even if it was being used, it doesn't appear to have been very much recognized at the symbolic level whereas many other things were...

we can even find triangulated spirals etc but the triangle itself seems to have slipped through the cracks somehow until later on...I feel like its recognition signals a kind of crystallization process in human consciousness. Something like the "monolith" in general effect...

m1

[Radiant Star]

It is entirely possible (and perhaps even advisable) to work with the Tetractys without ever engaging hexagrammal fields at all. If I had to trash everything and start over completely from scratch...the one thing I would not let go of would be the Tetractys itself...it is preeminently The Lamp.

Well, as you may already know, I have had the attachment to the Tetractys and Twin Star right from the beginning and to me it seems to be my core symbol whatever else I might do or think about, so even though I seem to be unable to remember terms and other things, its the purity of the TS that stays with me and I doubt the names will matter at the end of the day especially if you think I have probably got the experience going along the right lines.

I suppose I understand a lot more within my picture and image world than I could put into words in any useful way.

[Dragon]

grrr...:laugh:

I told you I had to double check that because there was something bugging me about the order in the set. I was mostly right, but needed to double check my sources.The crescent and star are subsets .. Triangle is included in the main group...hehehe, you had a right to be annoyed; instincts of a wizard. How could it not be there? derrrrr......

In my defense...we were also drunk. :eek:

Anyways, This is how it goes. In mythological lore from around the globe, there are 5 major symbols that span the world in history, here they are with their values.

Circle = Creation
Spiral = Web/Weaving
Triangle = Ascension (/Descension)
Cross = Choices/Decisions
Square = Hero(ine)

I'll track down the subsets later...as well as post it in the symbols discussion I started in another thread.

~D~

[m1thr0s]

yeah? oh cool...my primordial paradigm returns!!!

thanks for the follow-up ~D~ and I would love to see the subsets as well... :cool:

m1thr0s