Bipolar, simultaneous Twinstar-execution.

[Kuroyagi]

Has anyone else tried out to trace the Twinstar in both directions simultaneously? Its very fast and efficient and I have found that very good, coincidentally it instantly improved my health, too…have/had some flu…and before doing it simultaneously I played around and imagined the TS to rotate and cut lose the chains that had been laid around my breast, but maybe this wasn’t as important as the previously described thing…For the grounding circle I also started both from left and right at the same time, whereby I imagined one (direction) as yang (white) the other as yin, the point where they "met" or would have collided "at the bottom" I let them not pass one another but interchange into one another, then united again at the top they have that third component in them (third component=exchange) and this sublimated light then can be brought down and in my case had a cleansing or strongly cathartic effect (it goes without saying that I did enclose my body in the triangle for that). Anyway, I now and then am playing around with that pattern, even if I am too busy to "study" it…

[m1thr0s]

now that's interesting K...that makes the second time on these boards somebody has arrived at this independently. I think Anibis may have been the first to mention it (?). I admit I haven't worked with this but there is no particular reason why not...It just happens that I move so seamlessly from side to side that the difference seems negligible to me personally...

But now this comes up again...so that is interesting...

m1

[Anibis]

Yeah, this is almost always how I work it. Ambidexterity and all. I have found it posible to work two such twinstars (an upright, and a downward) silmultaneously as well, generating an intantaneous magen star.
-A-

[Kuroyagi]

Yeah, this is almost always how I work it. Ambidexterity and all. I have found it posible to work two such twinstars (an upright, and a downward) silmultaneously as well, generating an intantaneous magen star.
-A-Ah, you be a warrior! Thats pretty cool and motivating to me- this would have probably been my next step had I more time for studying...I had this idea already from the beginning (yet at first the execution was still too clumsy/difficult for me)...its a very obvious consequence necessitated by the human bodies bulit-up (two-sidedness etc.), as well as the TS shape itself. Basically I always tend to make techniques/rituals 1) as fast and smooth as possible 2) as round (spiral like etc) as possible (doesnt apply here so much), cause like others here I actually dont like nerdy "rituals" but as a tool; that m1. doesnt even "notice" anymore is no wonder since I think that hes got the most experience with it..the Tao of the twinstar practise so to speak..I still have some difficulties with the understanding of the "finalization" routine...but even the TS (+ tetraktys)-shape itself is genius, it fits me (in my human form) like a glove...can be used for anything really.."ones best friend" etc..;)

[Anibis]

I have played similarly with starting from 10 and working to 1. It's definitely most natural for me to work both sides at once, although I also will meditate the double sequence just to drum up some mojo sometimes... I did a working with another person wherein she was one 'half', and I was the other... This was done over 11 days, from 1-10, and then done back from 10-1 over the subsequent 11 days. It was synched with the TC, also...
-A-

[Dragon]

I worked with this in the eighties a bit, but found problems keeping the lines clean during practice. The theory is correct, but especially on the last two lines things blurred a bit too much for me..I tried doing two at the same time side by side..but didn't get qiute enough kick from the sigil...Please continue to describe your motions and results, most interested in what you get.


~D~

[Anibis]

I don't have that so much. Generally it feels to me like each point is a basin which fills up in turn. When I do the Magen star generation, it produces a 'Stellated Octahedron' or two interlaced tetrahedrae... Hmmm the other thing that works well with with this is to intone Abrahadabra itself, and resonate the structures of the 'abrahadabra key' which I wrote a little article on. I envision the two 'arms' of the key sprouting out of my sphere like wings and then folding back into the number 132, which lies at the heart of the twinstar, as well as dividing itself into two triangles of 66 points (132=66x2). This seems to doubly charge the magen star with the abrahadabra grid.
-A-

[MythMath]

Sync or swim...

A freaky winterthunderstorm knocked
the power off at my studio last night,
but I was planning to log on and start a
thread about running the TS 'in stereo'...

So thanks for helping me out, K... ;)
_______________

Triggered in part by my recent 18-point
diagram/gameboard (Yiang Pow) which also
focuses on 'triangular' ley lines in bilateral motion...

I've been working the TS exclusively in
both directions for the past few weeks ...

I also remember Anibis mentioning this before, and
it does make my brain feel like it does when I juggle...

[Anibis]

It definitely relates to juggling for me.
-A-

[MythMath]

You know, I also relate this simultaneous bipolar
flow directly to a few specific musical instruments...

And I believe it's because of this property, that I find these
instruments to be quite effective for trance induction...

Please excuse a quick detour:


1. kalima/mbira

To play a 'linear' scale, the performer must
alternate left thumb/brain, right thumb/brain...

http://www.music.vt.edu/musicdictionary/textk/images/Kalimba.jpg
http://www.kalimbamagic.com/



2. gravikord

"Because of the special configuration of the strings,
the Gravikord is a "spatial, random access" instrument.

Each hand is able to play the bass and treble notes independently
with no danger of simultaneously trying to play the same note.

Your hands can play over under around and through each other! "

http://members.aol.com/gravikord/Instrument.jpg

http://members.aol.com/gravikord/GravBridge.jpeg

http://members.aol.com/gravikord/GravHands.jpeg
http://members.aol.com/gravikord/Instrument.jpg



3. limbaclav

A concept that relocates the tones of a standard keyboard, positioning
the lowest tone (in this case, C 01) at the center key of the keyboard.

The remaining tones radiate out from the center in a left, right, left,
right manner, ultimately locating the highest tones at each end...

This arrangement allows performances that would be
difficult or impossible to play on a standard keyboard...

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/LIMBACLAVcopy.jpg

[Carbon Class Six]

Thanks for bringing this up, Kuroyagi

My twinstar experiences had been a little "lopsided" when going from side to side, though it was certainly my fault. This worked out perfectly - deliciously I might say! They almost weaved themselves by golly.

[m1thr0s]

This is all very interesting but I feel like there's a few basic points being missed thus far. There is a lot going on in the more rhythmic ebb & flow activity of the figure 8 weaving style that would seem rather stagnant and purposeless to me working both ends at once. It feels gimmicky and I see how this work seems to send people spiraling off into the gimmicky all the time so I want to caution against that at least.

Don't everybody leap to the defensive though...I'm just doing my job here raising a few possible flags against this sudden wave of enthusiasm. I recognize that what may be happening in the TwinStar alone, apart from the extended fields, is a little different since this is a perfect symmetry so there are possibilities there not as relevant to the fields. I treat the TwinStar as though it were a hexagrammal field which, in fact, it is (in that context) and actually seats in Daath as a kind of overseer to the fields both binary and ternary. Since the fields are typically asymmetrical with different formulas running in opposite directions, attempting to run them ambidextrously would be very difficult, if not physically impossible.

My guess so far is that both methods have their merits insofar as the TwinStar itself may go. I don't think this method will work effectively once you start trying to juggle asymmetrical line patterns and word-formulas though.

m1thr0s

[Dragon]

Since the fields are typically asymmetrical with different formulas running in opposite directions, attempting to run them ambidextrously would be very difficult, if not physically impossible.

m1thr0s


That is the problem I ran into...you wind up playing chicken between your leading points when you scribe it.

~D~

[m1thr0s]

I suppose you could try staggering your lines a bit (in fields I mean)...I don't know though...other stuff enters into this. a lot will depend on your energy priorities. getting things to meet up in the middle is no big deal with me. I've got that working in my sleep. Sol is not a real estate at risk in my universe...earth is. Nor is the earth that gets exalted to Sol any particular concern...this is all covered. Drawing Crown down to meet Kingdom in full force is where my usual priorities lay and this simply isn't easy...I can forge the connection but the power remains aloof and that's no good...so that's a lot of what I focus on in sessions and that's more of a sequential operation...very precise work and things have to be done in their proper orders etc...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

What do you mean, crown down to kingdom, m1thr0s? How do you tell the difference?

[m1thr0s]

two serpents guard the tree, one about its base and the other at its crown. the tantrics talk a lot about connecting the one below to the above. the qabbalists tend to emphasize connecting the one above to the below. both things must occur to produce a balanced, or *completed* human being...the sum of which would technically amount to a new species of man altogether. It has not been accomplished. Had it been accomplished nothing in this world could have stopped it. The difference in raw accessible energy alone should register right off the charts. It is still something we have yet to achieve.

of the two serpents, the one at crown is by far the more difficult to nudge out of its complacency. It can only be drawn down by an exact methods, so we have to know what we are doing. it will not respond to pretenses of any kind. To control this serpent is to control ones own immortality since it resides above the great divide at crown itself...thus has direct access to ain soph aur as well...

note: this is sometimes referred to as *raising the foundation* of man himself since it culminates as a new baseline energy condition, once accomplished. The yogis discuss this frequently but here in the west we seem to not have noticed...probably a good thing since it will take the garbage by complete surprize should this ever occur - even once...it only takes one person to accomplish this and we're off to a whole other human race...it won't occur by accident...it takes a prolonged concerted effort to pull it off.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Hmm, that's a tricky problem, I get one and then the other but I can't figure out how to orient my mindset to accomodate both at once. I do believe the secrets to the crown serpent reside somewhat in the Mithraic mystery cults, which conveniently enough were sworn to secrecy upon penalty of death - for good reason, unlike some secret "mystery" societies....

I wonder what it would take to calibrate both perfectly so that the serpents could meet and stay together

Two grand divisions of the human race most likely....

[m1thr0s]

we should not romanticize the past. Had the mithraics had this technology there is not a chance in hell the romans would have overtaken them. Their mysteries were probably rooted in the shamanic and I don't doubt there were many things they were capable of...but they didn't accomplish this. There is simply no reason to think they did. This is a knowledge-based tech and it may be that we have had to evolve towards it collectively to be able to manage it correctly. But now we are pushing red-line as a species and the time is either now or never...we have reached that make-or-break point in the timeline.

edit: this is getting off-topic but I should point out that there is a chance this opportunity was available to humans in the distant past but was turned down. why would anybody turn it down? greater harvest potential in time perhaps...who knows...but several major legends do make reference to this...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

No, I'm not romanticizing anything, I think they had the crown serpent technology down at great cost in certain individuals but not the kundalini sakti, the reason why is because of my own research compared with the techniques the Mithraic cult was using.....I think they were using a combination of astrologically auspicious windows and some extreme psychological tricks to open the mind enough to allow it, just as much as the Kali cults in India were awakening something very old. Not only this - I think the Aztecs had the crown serpent technology too, because you can look at the iconography and "feel out" what the current is...for instance in China is very much kundalini, but they had a worshipful attitude towards the dragon up into modern times and this simply does not work. Once it gets into the kneeling and incense "man separate from god" crap you've just overlooked the seams in the wall that allow you to break out. It's a trap.

I also don't think many people are self actualized to the point where they can awaken the crown serpent or the base serpent at all, and there's not much to be done about that. You have to be born into this and jump through a whole lot of hoops.


There's a lot of energy generated from the stretching of both of them at once, I know both you and I have experienced it, eventually it's got to be done by someone....the particulars needed here are going to have a lot to do with building upon the learned masters of the past, so looking at broad emergent themes and attempting to absorb those as much as possible is going to be of extreme use.

To elevate the human race one has to pick up all of the puzzle pieces and create a full array of experience, that is why someone who is comfortable with the idea of a global village will be more ready for it than one who is not, because it it carrying the entire race and not just one culture past the survival mark.

[m1thr0s]

I only mean in general...I hear this sort of thing all the time and it annoys me...not directed at you personally.

yes...we keep bumping into it...that's pretty much how we know it's there.

born to it? possibly...like the boddhisatva business only more task-specific. there is evidence to support this I think.

m1

[Naomi]

Well look - I think some peoples, some cultures - all of the great ones had to be tapping into one, or the other...you have to get the stamp of approval from both realms to accomodate both serpents - it's not a one time chance, you just need to meet the suitable requirements at any time. I'm still trying to figure it out myself.

It would help if we had a laboratory.

Where's Kain anyways, he would be useful to sound off on this I think...it makes me tediously unhappy to not have the people I want when i want them.

I know this is veering mildly off topic but I do think it has something to do with it but I'll take it to PM anyways...

[Anibis]

It would be great to see Kain around here again. On the issue of the twinstar, I find myself doing it one side at a time, then both sides at once, and finally as the magen star. I then hop into the central octahedron.
-A-

[Kuroyagi]

This is all very interesting but I feel like there's a few basic points being missed thus far. There is a lot going on in the more rhythmic ebb & flow activity of the figure 8 weaving style that would seem rather stagnant and purposeless to me working both ends at once. It feels gimmicky and I see how this work seems to send people spiraling off into the gimmicky all the time so I want to caution against that at least.

Don't everybody leap to the defensive though...I'm just doing my job here raising a few possible flags against this sudden wave of enthusiasm. I recognize that what may be happening in the TwinStar alone, apart from the extended fields, is a little different since this is a perfect symmetry so there are possibilities there not as relevant to the fields. I treat the TwinStar as though it were a hexagrammal field which, in fact, it is (in that context) and actually seats in Daath as a kind of overseer to the fields both binary and ternary. Since the fields are typically asymmetrical with different formulas running in opposite directions, attempting to run them ambidextrously would be very difficult, if not physically impossible.

My guess so far is that both methods have their merits insofar as the TwinStar itself may go. I don't think this method will work effectively once you start trying to juggle asymmetrical line patterns and word-formulas though.

m1thr0sI think you are quite right: I blended out that larger aspect and basically concentrated more on the TS alone, and this is truely a very smooth and elegantly powerful "shape" that verily invites to such tinkering out of sheer enjoyment. I looked a bit into Anibis suggestion of doubling it up "mirroring it below", too and that is where I felt that it was too "gimmicky" even as a "stand alone"- in difference to "our" suggestion about the ambidexterous TS...yet Anibis is a juggler and a pretty gnarly magus (in the best sense ;)) so I see where he comes from there...

The conversation of the fields is the most promising to me there too, and something that I want to research from now on more...its really like a new language that supplants and supports all existing ones. I'll try to span in some (pairs of) hexagramms then...who knows maybe we will yet come to a time in our development where we even could tackle that "ambidextrous"/2-reality-weaving but I havent even begun to use the normal methods presented here to their fullest...its quite exiting and I am looking fw to it...

p.s. naomi m1: very intersting convo there btw on p.2., pps: that you say the TS sits in Da'ath and watches over the fields somewhow reminded me of that Tree Herder in the Tolkien books if you know/remember them...

[Anibis]

It may be that something approaching physical ambidexterity is a prerequisite to any productive use of this formula in this way... dunno.
-A-

[Anibis]

Lord am I ever gimicky, though... you should see my toy collection... heh heh...
-A-

[m1thr0s]

p.s. naomi m1: very intersting convo there btw on p.2., pps: that you say the TS sits in Da'ath and watches over the fields somewhow reminded me of that Tree Herder in the Tolkien books if you know/remember them...ahhh...TreeBeard...one of my favorite characters. You haven't found his wives have you? I'm still looking for them just in case...lol

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I feel more intense neurological activity near the frontal lobes during the two-fold type - but this doesn't necessarily mean anything - it may just be causing friction. I believe much of this should not be felt at all if one has properly integrated it. I have no opinion either way, but I will simply continue to do the single line working.

Another exercise I use is just absorbtion. Staring at it seems to work too, as long as you relax. The red on blue twinstar version helps tremendously. I have also used a pink on green version for certain exercises regarding Ningishzidda.