Old Sumerian Gods

[Amur]

Some funny article about how they came and designed (http://www.enkispeaks.com/Essays/14EnkiThothNinmahCreateSlaveSpecies_2.html)
the human being.

[deviadah]

What a sync!

I was thinking about doing some work on the Sumerian Family Tree since I just got some books on the subject. I am currently looking at this from a contemporary historian angle without any form of aliens involved or DNA manipulations.

It is still very interesting and I find it weird how they set up their family tree in relation to, for instance the Egyptians. Have a look:

Sumerian:
Sky God (An) + Earth Goddess (Ki) have the child Enlil (God of air and vegetation)

Egyptian:
God of moisture (Shu) + Goddess of moisture (Tefnut) have the children Geb (earth God) + Nuy (sky Goddess)

In the Sumerian pantheon the sun God UTU is in the fourth generation, whereas in the Egyptian pantheon the sun God is the first generation (Ra)!

Both the Babylonians and the Sumerians seems to have choosen the primeval sea (salt + sweet) as their creators and the Egyptians the sun. From the perspective of science it seems the Egyptians were more correct (altough life on earth began in the sea).

Just some thougths...

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[Jacob]

So what do you find funny about it? I'm just curious.

[Naomi]

It sounds like one of those movies from the 70's where they have like a space plot that is really just an excuse to write a sexual fantasy story....

damn ningishzidda does like apewomen though...

[Naomi]

http://la.gg/upl/5_36.jpg

[deviadah]

So what do you find funny about it? I'm just curious.

That the Sumerians and Babylonians view the sea as their father, whereas the Egyptians view the sun as their father.

:cool:

[Amur]

So what do you find funny about it? I'm just curious.

Well what I find is funny is the things that're written in the bible. The God that is portrayed in the old testament doesn't seem all too friendly imho. But looking at that article I can atleast feel that the human being was designed with/from Love. "From the clay of Love I have moulded Thee" or something like that...

[Jacob]

Equate the Enlil in that article(and all the other articles on that site) with most instances of the old testament God and the unfriendliness might be put into perspective ;)

[Naomi]

It's comic book shit Jacob, I can't believe you can't see through it. It's so fucking limited and unimaginative. It's fake.

[Amur]

It's comic book shit Jacob, I can't believe you can't see through it. It's so fucking limited and unimaginative. It's fake.

There's alot of that comic book stuff. Just look at whole scientology, that should give a good laugh, not to mention the bible :laugh: I think Monthy Python's movie illustrates it well when the monks chant and hit themselves in the head with the bible.. hehe..

[Naomi]

Well it's all funny until people start getting hysterical and killing entire peoples because of what some fake or exaggerated story told them (for instance the bible)

One of the ways you can tell these stories are fake is that the writer limits the aliens in ways that humans have already surpassed in knowledge or technique, following archaeological discoveries and scientific research is a simple way of debunking dumb stories...

I'm beginning to really hate Sitchin, both for his horrible style of writing and his idiotic reasoning...

[Amur]

Well it's all funny until people start getting hysterical and killing entire peoples because of what some fake or exaggerated story told them (for instance the bible)


Well I think the whole history of Christianity illustrates this. It's crazy how much madness has been involved with it. The only reason I really applied to Christhood is to get rid of the whole thing from this planet lol.

[Naomi]

It's on its way out I think, just a matter of time now...of course there's going to be a last gasp for life before it finally succumbs to its proper place as a bad memory....

Then maybe Jesus can be looked at in a different light...

[Jacob]

It's comic book shit Jacob, I can't believe you can't see through it. It's so fucking limited and unimaginative. It's fake.


lol this is funny coming from you. that's all i'm saying.

[Naomi]

Oh what do you mean?

[EtuMalku]

A terrible translation of Sumerian mythology and religion.
Yet, imaginative & entertaining.
That guy has a P.H.D. ? In what?
Certainly not ancient cultures!

[deviadah]

That guy has a P.H.D. ? In what? Certainly not ancient cultures!
I agree... and I get so sick of Phd's in the sense that it gives power to knowledge. If someone release a theory or fact and they do not have a Phd they are easily rejected. This is sickening.

All a Phd is proof of is that the person who has got the Phd has conformed to the contemporary dogma, nothing more.

Of course there are good and intelligent people with Phd, and I am not saying they are all bad. But what I am saying is that just because you've got a Phd don't make you The Shit!

:cool:

[Kuroyagi]

I also think that those Annunaki myths are insufficient fictional creations...not very well done and not very inspiring either...and also dev.: thats right a phd degree simply denounces a certain conformity with the rules of society and its workings and foremost a certain perseverance less than intelligence or even wisdom, but that neednt be a bad thing either since it doesnt preculde intelligence or wisdom or can even be a proof of some "youthful folly" one adhered to at some time. Wouldnt a person who has such a degree and yet still see it as -under some circs- impractical and useless be even more advanced and powerful than someone who only points out its negative effects without having experienced the chores that go with its acquisition?

[m1thr0s]

well, I think a lot of PhD bashing is not really aimed at individuals so much as institutions and a certain sanctioning authority these institutions automatically command. So anybody that has grown up under the public school system already knows the drill for the most part.

It's true it's a fair amount of work. It's also true it doesn't mean too much of anything in itself. It means you probably know how to read and write and have at least a vague sort of clue how to research a topic and bring that research to some sort of finished product...book...documentary...whatever. This in itself is a valuable thing to have acquired. Some people squander it on tabloid academics while others put it to better use, at probably 1/5th the profit by in large...

If people didn't support the garbage as much as they do, there would be a lot less of it in circulation, so it sort of cuts both ways.

m1thr0s

[frater luciferi]

huh, that website reminds me a lot of what zechariah sitchins book revolve around..and he was immensely thorough in his research...i find his work very interesting at least..not that i think his theories hold a lot of water...but he does seem to make a lot of good points..although altogether the way in which mr. sitchin seems to randomly correlate random symbologys of different cultures preturbs me..because im sure he does have some idea what the original theory entails..its just that the tangent he goes on its hard to see any real "hard evidence" to really hit it home for me...

its the same for me with the site listed above..more uber neurotic piecing together random texts and sumerian symbology to almost "prove" watever the "PHD" chooses to make into whatever point he wants to make..i hoped somewhere in my light skimming of this "conspiracy theory" that actual scientific processes of determination were used..but like a lot of "scholars" of his ilk their is a load of supposition and wild tangents taken...

i mean to me in a way the whole alien genetic manipulation thing kinda makes sense..i have almost a romantic personal facination with that whole theorum..hell i think its partily due to the facination that i hold with the original sumerian mythos and how it crosses and interelates and is heavily plagurized by early scribes in the old testemant..and somehow a lot of the same storys tend to show up in other cultures ...some on the other side of the planet, some much closer dig?

its an easier answer to me then accepting creation,and strangely enough it makes more sense to me then evolution..somehow though i think that it strikes a chord becuase i place great reverence to nephillic myth and greatly wish that the annuinaki were real...it does come off as some wierd sci-fi tale..but as evidence of aliens keeps getting harder to ignore--(the mexican airforce has officially admitted to the existance of UFOS due to mexico being THE hotbed for ufo sightings ie video and photographic evidence...so much so that a UFO conference was held in that country) ..so it doesnt seem that far fetched to me to come to that conclusing..that possibly the sumerian gods were space travelers..hell why not? what occult student has not come across ufo-like references in their studys--hell there are even a bunch of similar ufo-like references in the OT ...and depicitions of spacecraft-like veicles in a lot of cultures...

what bugs me is though that until more "hard" evidence is dug up beyond mere speculation..and i guess having a PHD might help sway the more "traditional" and "instititutional" scholars...meh...its altogether frustrating...this kind of thing will always be on the fringe because its too hard to accept for the average individual..the same as a lot of occult philosophy and "science" because we in the modern world are too skeptical of the "mystical" and the "magickal" to really train ourselves to see the actual "Science" that lies underneath the fantastic that seems totally improbable to the un-trained mind..

thats my major bone i like to pick though with "institutional" scholars and intellectuals in general? i mean anyone who survives college without having their perspective stuck in some prefashioned framework...seems to be a rarity to me..the fringe thinker..the self educated man, the road scholar to me will always be superior in one aspect that their education is driven by pure passion firstly and secondly their pursuit of truth is often with a very open mind. and you would think that an institutionally educated man would see out of his box...but its ofter after the long tunnel of 4-12 years of a chose ciriculum and created binders--that frame of reference will always be there..and i have seen it to be a great stumbling block to some...

but i mean rationally? if the whole theory was proven and validated by institutional science it would completely devestate what we as a whole have percieved as truth for a great long while..perhaps it wont come into the mainstream because that idea is very dangerous..not that in the occult sciences however it is a new idea...modern science is still playing catch up to what us radical "mystics" have known aeons even before the hermetic reclaimation of knowledge from the grips of the "church" of fraud lol :P

just my overly caffinated two cents

[m1thr0s]

the whole idea of an ancient genetic science is not new at all. This idea has been circulating since dna was discovered and people started linking the wisdom of the past to the wisdom of the present. A number of books have been written outlining China's involvement in some sort of genetic science as well and we even have a *smoking gun* to prove it! But the catch-22 in all of this is that science itself has become something altogether different than it was in antiquity. Scientific knowledge is inevitably linked to the tools which give it its scrutinizing powers and there are all kinds of tools that are commonplace today that simply did not exist in antiquity...so the very way in which many things were observed has radically changed.

What annoys me about all these alien race theories is the assumption that this must necessarily come from without...from *outer space* etc. Almost nothing has been committed to theories regarding *inner space* and it is actually via *inner space* that observers in antiquity had a clear advantage over most of us today. Until that gap is properly bridged, most of these alien tech theories are just going to wind up on the trash heap because there are some very fundamental flaws in their logics...science doesn't give a crap about being overthrown...it lives for that stuff and scientists will keep on overthrowing scientific models of reality every chance they get. Stitchin simply has a lot of things wrong because he's playing the wrong cards...though I agree that a good number of his off-the-cuff assumptions aren't half bad...it's just that his explanations are skewed.

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Yeah I like the idea of inner space too, and in the tantras you can access all of outer space from the inner space anyways, so the idea of space aliens not only becomes silly and outdated, it allows you to just take them for granted as they do exist but they are just not important at that level of consciousness.

Furthermore I think the Sumerian gods outline something greater than mere space aliens anyways, I think they are constructs humans have formed as personalities to cover really immense concepts, beings if you like that govern the dynamics of certain parts of ourselves and our enviroment which may overlap into areas unfathomable to human brains....

[m1thr0s]

this is where somebody like T McKenna has a complete advantage on many other scientists. Carl Sagan speaks with the Dogon who tell him of their knowledge of the DogStar and its twin and he immediately assumes there can be only one explanation...aliens must have come from outer space and told them about all of this thousands of years ago! He cannot imagine that they may have observed these things through inner space as accurately as any telescope. McKenna would want to know about how they approach trance states...do they use herbs or mushrooms or maybe something else...because he already understands there are more *telescopes* than modern science is willing to acknowledge...

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[frater luciferi]

this is where somebody like T McKenna has a complete advantage on many other scientists. Carl Sagan speaks with the Dogon who tell him of their knowledge of the DogStar and its twin and he immediately assumes there can be only one explanation...aliens must have come from outer space and told them about all of this thousands of years ago! He cannot imagine that they may have observed these things through inner space as accurately as any telescope. McKenna would want to know about how they approach trance states...do they use herbs or mushrooms or maybe something else...because he already understands there are more *telescopes* than modern science is willing to acknowledge...

m1

i remember reading carl sagans theory on the "birth of man" ..i think i goes along somewhere that man stumbled upon the magick smart drug--ie magick mushrooms :P and from that he developed the first thought--which reverberated to him as the "voice of god" which is/was a common experience of the first shamans--on various planes/substances.. and i really dont doubt that that in itself might be the closest thing to an explanation we might get? and i have no doubt that there is a possibility that the inner-universe/microcosm is just as much a micro-model of the outter macrocosm..being as we might be minor manifestations of "divine" intellect we might as well intuitively already posess all the knowledge that is knowable..perhaps its the lack of the abilitie to tap into that potential? i dont believe that we are altogether seperate from the universe..that we are all self actuated mechanisms of the all..connected by the aether...and that aether in itself is the buffer..the illusion of seperation of the all is one of the greatest tricks humanity has made in his egoist creation of the primitive myth...so yeah it would make sense in one light if the universe was essentially one huge "program" with ingrained code and if/then loops so to speak that we could percieve that "code" because we are essentially just code ourselves?

the massively overused matrix paradigm is the closest i could explain it i guess.i mean neo did eventually percieve the matrix and the code? and i know that i have definately crossed that abyssal plane of aether a few times in my own "trancending" my mortal flesh to cause affect to it..the real issue i have would be how does one truely activate the abilitie to just "print out" our own inner scematics and blueprints? i dig the whole innerspace thing too though..it has just as many valid if more vaild points then a lot of theories i have come across these days...

[m1thr0s]

People have always sought to maximize on what they have. The laws of entropy state that what we have today is greater efficiency with less actual abundance. What antiquity has that we do not is much more natural abundance. So they built upon this the same as we build upon our efficiency today but their tools were different than ours...they were closer to their environments than we are and closer to their own minds in many ways as well. They could hear themselves think in ways we can't even imagine with microwaves and radiowaves and electromagnetic and even nuclear pollutions just to skim the surface...xst, I have read that every human alive today registers on a standard geiger counter due to radioactive particles in the atmosphere...it's a very different world and will never be the way it was again save through the advent of time technology perhaps.

What is amazing to consider is that the very ancient and the very new could be arriving at much the same kinds of cosmological conclusions coming from diametrically opposite ends of the spectrum. But we have to remember that similar conclusions do not imply similar technologies, nor similar forms of science...this will simply never be the case.

m1thr0s

[frater luciferi]

one luxury they definately have that is a rarity these days is time to really strech out and breathe and truely contemplate...something the modern societal mechanism does not allow or even pretty much discourages...

[Naomi]

People have always sought to maximize on what they have. The laws of entropy state that what we have today is greater efficiency with less actual abundance. What antiquity has that we do not is much more natural abundance. So they built upon this the same as we build upon our efficiency today but their tools were different than ours...they were closer to their environments than we are and closer to their own minds in many ways as well. They could hear themselves think in ways we can't even imagine with microwaves and radiowaves and electromagnetic and even nuclear pollutions just to skim the surface...xst, I have read that every human alive today registers on a standard geiger counter due to radioactive particles in the atmosphere...it's a very different world and will never be the way it was again save through the advent of time technology perhaps.

What is amazing to consider is that the very ancient and the very new could be arriving at much the same kinds of cosmological conclusions coming from diametrically opposite ends of the spectrum. But we have to remember that similar conclusions do not imply similar technologies, nor similar forms of science...this will simply never be the case.

m1thr0s

I was reading some of Terrence Mckenna's stuff last night before I fell asleep in front of my computer, the one thing he was saying was that humans need to push the boundaries of creativity and art and so on in order to reach beyond the horizons. It's not something I see every human doing, and that may be our biggest threat. Humans may always try to maximize what they have, yet often people seem to cripple themselves in very weird ways.

Radiation may damage humans but at least we can adapt and become stronger from it. I think there is a way out if we just rely on the same kind of technology the ancients were using, which has survived and evolved right alongside humanity even if hidden - occult.


one luxury they definately have that is a rarity these days is time to really strech out and breathe and truely contemplate...something the modern societal mechanism does not allow or even pretty much discourages...

I have a very busy lifestyle but I am always able to make time for this, I think it's more a matter of becoming aware of the consciousness all around us that we become deluded and sucked into this vortex of materialism so we forget who we truly are. There's always 5 minutes of meditation time to be had.

I take care of two kids, keep house and yard and play video games and two jobs and still find time for at least an hour of contemplation time each night and even some in between. Maybe it's that I'm running on all four cylinders but I also find time for contemplation while I am working and don't miss a beat. So in some ways this is only a perception that is borne out of the illusionary entrapping nature of our own slice of samsaric existence.

You have to make time. or as Cats puts it, so wisely: "You have no chance to survive make your time."

;)

I wanted to share this video that Rammstein made because it reminds me a lot of this whole thread of consciousness:

YouTube - Rammstein - Stripped

Jacob mentioned something last year about astrology:


The Naga sadhus are consulted with to decide upon the official start time of each Kumbh Mela and Maha Kumbh Mela(a huge Hindu pilgrimage, millions of people gather. The Maha Kumbh Mela of 2001 had about 30,000,000). There's always a general idea of the specific time, but the Nagas are so in tune that they can tell the exact moment of the actual alignment(specific Zodiacal placements of Sun, Jupiter and Moon, dependent on the location) that the Kumbh Melas are to begin on.


...which ties in with this whole idea of observing the stars and outerspace from the inner space. I think of each cell in my body as a kind of receptor for different galaxies and stars throughout this universe, but also having a soul body or body of light that is in tune with the supreme absolute beyond this "universe" that we can observe readily. (which is enormous.)

[Jacob]

Ho hum. Well, going from the physical plane's "Big Bang"(or, as I call it, Co-ontonomous Thought-Alpha Near-Parallel Burst-Implosion), as astrophysical-scale RSS(relatively stable subtotalities) stabilized as matter-condensates into galaxies and star systems with orbiting spheroid planets, another templaic-action(read as: astral-action) milestone appeared to be reached by the process ensemble in both planes - Templaic(astral or Yetzirah) and 4-spacetime(physical/Assiah). Once suitable ambient temperature, chemical and energetic conditions appeared on spheroid, rocky planets, another templaic conformation(or "astral blueprint" if you will) with specific embedded information was found to kick in to initiate another type of dialogue. Given suitable planetary ambient conditions, basic chemical elements would join in further expressions linearly specific and responsive to mirror-action dialogue between templaic conformation and chemical elements as compounds. While initiation of this process seemed to be the simple result of processes occurring in media with sufficient chemical elements joining as outcome of inevitable chemical and energetic interaction, a milestone would again be reached at the moment of the appearance of a proto-life string(RNA).

The complex molecule seemed to know precisely what to and what not to generate by way of molecules, some less complex than itself, others equally complex. And it seemed to have purpose and a clear objective. Its crowning achievement and creative climax seemed to be a molecule that was more complex than itself, able to do synergistic negentropic "energetic information translation" from what it seemed to have already embedded: the conformation of an equivalent template on the physical plane, within the electromagnetic range. As nothing on the physical plane, at the initial stages of physical plane medium formation, could be expressed without mirror-action of an astral or etheric blueprint conformation and its physical-plane electromagnetic counterpart, expressed proto-life could sustain itself by an active dialogue with its templates, for, then as today, RNA-DNA is bitemplaic. This dialogue would inevitably become a sustained, even elegant, campaign of adaptation to local conditions, which meant adaptation to the stabilized development cycle specific to the RSS on which the protolife string manifested and the dialogue initiated. Each of these conjugations of protolife strings to local conditions produced uniquely adapted life forms. Thus, then would the life cycle of a protolife expression commence, gaining in experience in the conditions encountered locally to transform itself accordingly and keep the master template abreast of all information on itself and its myriad adaptive campaigns.

A lot more can be said on the subject of RNA-DNA appearance/origination and progression through the physical plane, but I'll stop at that. Note that this is all theory, being formed into a new and highly weird Working Model of physics and cosmology, derived from unconventional means of observation(best conceptualized as a combination of astral projection, clairvoyance and remote viewing).

As for the Annunaki's hand in our development, I still maintain it as truth, based on my own experience both gnosive(ie non-physical, non-local and non-linear) and otherwise... and most of what Sitchin said about "them" I also maintain is accurate, with some digressions from the weave he weaves. But that's just me... *shrugs*

Naomi: All I meant was that I find it interesting that you, particularly, dismiss something because of a "comic-booky" or science fiction "look & feel." I mean, I would certainly categorize the evocation of Iktomi and request of a certain task as something of comic books, but that doesn't change the fact that Dubai did experience that power outage back in June 2005 ^^

-Jacob

[Naomi]

wtf ever