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Hmm, been doing some sort of investigation into this whole spectrum and for me it feels like the light-body is a consciousness kind of thing that can take anyform whatosever as it is literally Godhood / Omniscient and Omnipotent. So if it's true that the light-body can take anyform it pleases, then it means that one can design systems or mappings if you prefer to call it that, that moulds the lightbody into a specific kind of engine/machine. Well looking at this point from this, I can only but conclude that the Indian system of chakras is just one of the infinite amount of possibilities for the lightbody. Personally I hate the chakras, because it feels like it takes me further away from myself in everyway. I would actually like to hang the idiot who came up with the chakras from his balls and spill his guts out.
Anyway, if the light-body takes any form that pleases it, there should be possibilities to create some very interesting engines working from it.
What's your own experience regarding the light-body?
m1thr0s
02-18-2008, 01:40 AM
Personally I hate the chakras, because it feels like it takes me further away from myself in everyway. I would actually like to hang the idiot who came up with the chakras from his balls and spill his guts out.well that's new! I don't think I ever ran into anybody that actually hated the chakras! I don't think that's going to make much sense to anybody unless you can explain it a little better Amur...like what do you mean when you say that the chakras take you further away from yourself? How the hell would they do that? On the face of it it would seem like this would be more the result of certain practices corresponding to the chakras rather than the chakras themselves, but maybe if you could explain this a bit more it might be more clear...
I don't feel like any of these traditional systems are finished technologies in themselves...even within the chakra system there are many competing models and it isn't the kind of science that easily resolves itself...even something as fundamental as the bijas are beset with many layers of controversy and seemingly nobody has emerged the clear authority on these matters in thousands of years, so it's very difficult to know what doctrines can be relied upon or what is valid vs invalid ayurvedic principle...
m1thr0s
Naomi
02-18-2008, 01:45 AM
I laughed when I read that. It's so funny. I would like to explain the lower chakras to Amur but then he hates chakras so maybe that wouldn't help either. I really get a lot out of my chakras once they were all cleared out of the little devils aggravating them....we all have them. Sort of a dirty engine that needs cleaning. I definately know how to use it now though and it really feels good. Too bad I can't help you Amur, it really sounds like you could use the tech. Havn't sorted it out myself completely.
m1thr0s
02-18-2008, 05:13 AM
we also have the problem of proprietary knowledge to contend with since much of what has been released for common consumption is only the barest outline of deeper rooted knowledge. We can argue the pros and cons of this crap all day long but the bottom line is that none of it is very reliable information so long as there is no transparency supporting it...our checks and balances are shot to hell with this stuff and we're right back into the same old subservience loop that has been the hallmark of restriction for thousands of years...so to hell with it...and them.
What we can do I think is take these trivial offerings and compare them against everything else we do know or can ascertain as free thinking individuals and this really is the crux of syncretic method anyway. Nature itself doesn't play these exclusionary privilege games so we can look to Nature for whatever answers we may require with much greater reliability than anywhere else. The tech you allude to is not only possible, it is inevitable and I do think I have at least a clue where you are coming from with your dislike of the chakras...although I hasten to add that the system in itself is actually not nearly as corrupt as its handlers are. But the chakra system is only one piece of the puzzle and any comprehensive Body of Light tech will have to include more than this alone. This is organs stuff mainly...there are other considerations such as bone and nervous system etc...
The chakras are tracking the Gunas and their 72,000 nadis but here again...is it really 72,000? Look again...nobody is resolved just how many nadis there may be...72,000 is just a cozy number a few outspoken proponents settled upon for no exact reason, while secretly they know for a goddamn fact this number is not as yet resolved. And still we have the problem that this logic is only tracking the Gunas by way of the organs while the Gunas themselves are networked all across the board...so look...if you take this shit seriously, get fucking serious about it and resolve it to begin with that you will have to attack the matter from scratch. Between self-righteous cover-ups and mediocre half-truths we are left with nothing but a vague approximation of what might be possible from any and all traditional sources.
If you think the chakras have made a mess of it...don't even get me started on what a chickenshit rendition of the Body of Light the proponents of Chi have come up with...believe you me...it's much worse than this. These guys should all know better but at the end of the day they are trying very hard to protect something they never godamm knew to begin with. We will have to begin again...from square fucking one.
I am generally of the opinion that the only outstanding Body of Light experts in this world are all rooted primarily in Shamanic knowledge and experience...but you can immediately see the problem with that I imagine. It is something to bear in mind nevertheless...that the real knowledge that has been gleaned by human beings on this matter is rooted in a tradition so long gone that it has no modern voice of any kind today. If this is correct, then it might explain why the remnants we do have access to are really not particularly impressive. They are all a crock of watered-down rehash to begin with! We might wonder why Shamanism didn't leave a more detailed record of its gnosis but that record is generally written all over Nature itself, so it may very well have seemed to them a profaning of Nature to do so. Sooner or later people will sicken of their own miserable mental constructs and Nature will once again reclaim that crown which was always its own to begin with.
There are no classical models of the Body of Light worth shit to a Tree in my experience. There is Abrahadabra and the work I have done but it will take another several hundred years for that shit to sink in I think. We really just don't know very much about this stuff...yet it has been there all along, so we are justified in attempting to comprehend it. But there are no schools you can sign up with...no secret fellowships that know their shit from their oatmeal on this business today.
m1thr0s
Naomi
02-18-2008, 07:46 AM
ooh nice one m1thr0s
Well, one of the reasons I hate the chakras is because when I opened the 3rd eye, it felt like I got disconnected from my own body and my own emotions. Not sure if it had something to do with the shamanic initiation, but they kept the 3rd eye open while torturing me on many different levels, in this way the emotions disintegrated into various parts but because of the opened 3rd eye it didn't affect me in the same way. They also used the 3rd eye to get me confused out of myself, I think they put somekind of device, as everynow and then it 'bugged' and made a blip which made me feel my true self and my own emotions. The funny part is that everynow and then when I got the 3rd eye closed in, it felt like I began immediately a healing process and the disintegrated emotions started to heal again and I came into my own body and so on. It was also very easy to open up the true crown (pineal gland) by closing the 3rd eye and concentrating on the crown. What I'm so pissed off on the Indian tradition regarding the 'crown' or 1000-petaled lotus is that it gives such a wrong picture about the whole phenomenom. As when the natural crown is open, it produces a near physical light that is certainly measurable by scientific instruments, and even normal people who have no 'energetic sensing' can see this opened crown. In this state there is no God as one is already in that consciousness state, and one is connected directly to the planet and the universe, instead of going through anykind of dream crap. The opposite of this again is the 'collective dream' that they have also misleadingly placed upon the crown, which has nothing to do really with this naturally and physically existing phenomenom on top of the head.
An interesting thing with the 3rd eye(or any other chakras for that matter) is that one can use them in manifesting anything in the physical world. It's just a matter of concentrating on what kind of energy one wants to manifest and then it manifests after a while. I suppose if one had enough information about the various people and their dreams, one could made a mass-synchronization and make their vibration a bit higher by leading them further into their own dreams that they are living in. For this reason I equate the chakras to be part of a dream. Nothing wrong with being inside a dream but it's quite unhealthy if the dreamkeepers are leading it into the wrong direction, or if they are leading it only to have the power over it or something along the lines, this kind of behavior should be punished imho. Some indians call the 3rd eye the 'guru chakra' which gives us our connection to our own 'guru', but I tend to spit into that direction and would really like to kill the one pretending to be my 'guru'. Had a funny experience with being with a friend who is all Indian-fan, and his guru told me through my 3rd eye to have sex with him, as that would help me resolve my own trauma. Well at the same time I was still with my girlfriend at that time and she didn't like it so much about what I got told. Well neither would I have liked it. Had another experience where I concentrated on "God" and lighted up a candle with that vibration. The candle vibration told me to have sex with this other woman ( which again would've hurt my girlfriend at that time). So now I just see it that there are idiots tampering with the communications on this place and will be punished equally so. I can still continue this lol. Had another experience where a "God voice(amazingly close to Xtians idiot god)" told me not to go out with some friends and take MDMA. Well I didn't listen to it at the expense of being a bit 'afraid' to go against 'Gods will'. Well, I'm very fortunate that I went on that trip, as I got to see the true reality again, and I got some very very important information from a guy who came to see us randomly. What I'm wondering, if there is an idiot using the "God channel" to make things more fucked up, why would the chakras work like they should? I could continue quite some time with experiences like this and it would only seem to make things more fucked up. Anyway, because of all these experiences, I think it's very important and vital to get a working Light-body engine, that is free from contamination and certainly free from false Gods and false Gurus and what not.
Had another experience where we were in a telepathic connection with my ex girlfriend and she got afraid that because my 3rd eye was opened they could use me and lead me away from myself. Well in the end this doesn't matter, as they will get removed for misleading the humans away from themselves. One of the more funnier things is that they have made a concept of 'spirituality' where they removed peoples own natures and now sell their own created 'spirituality' to these humans at a cost of something.
I must agree with you about the shamanic tradition and the knowledge that evolves around that area. An interesting aspect is that most shamanic traditions has something which involves around sound, and healing the body and the light-body via singing different tones. In Tuva there is the tradition of khoomei and sygut singing which certainly makes the body resonate in a specific kind of way. I read from a science magazine that the nerves are actually not as much electrical impulses as they are sound. Because the nerve impulses work on sound, it shouldn't be too far fetched to think that one could affect them with sound.
m1thr0s
02-18-2008, 01:37 PM
well it doesn't get any better than Trigrammaton, Amur, though it seems to take a very long time for most people to grasp that. It's not entirely their own fault though since we have no ready examples on tap to demonstrate its every day sorts of applications so this defines one area of work that will have to be attended to.
I don't really know who "they " are and I don't really need to I guess...getting free from this sort of interplay between the Mind and its own shadows will be one of the things you'll need to dispense with. You don't need any of it for Body of Light work and it only really serves to limit your progress. How you do that is a more extended conversation since these things come about because the Mind itself has fashioned a makeshift means of *discussing* uncharted territory based upon all of the judgmental crap you've been imprinted with since birth. We need this dialog as a means of *chunking* new experiences but the mechanism itself is faulty and will need to be replaced. Whoever and whatever "they" is...you don't actually need them...but you do need something to replace them with or they will simply reassert themselves by default. They are only really there because you have unwittingly employed them and you have done this to have some means of discoursing transmutational phenomena...but they are not qualified to the task they have been assigned and never will be.
In lieu of this you are quite correct that sound is a vital key to making this repair. The problem is not an easy one since while it falls under the general jurisdiction of "mantra"...not just any mindless mantrayama will suffice...it needs to be something as sharp and as critical as the Mind can be - not just some repititious mumbo-jumbo you use to trance out with. In Trigrammaton the Word of Perfection has been utilized to achieve this balance and based upon this standard other forms can also be employed at will, but this is something like learning a foreign language and takes a certain amount of trial and error to perfect. I used to have this problem. Most people will who wind up running ahead of themselves in the exploration of higher cosm. We are immediately confronted with the dilemma of translating new data through old and antiquated prisms...until you replace the entire dialectic mechanism this problem will tend to persist.
Now here is a great mystery and an abiding principle of profound significance. The reason that the Word of Perfection works at all is that it parallels musical scales. When applied in the creation of Trigrammal Fields, it acts nearly exactly like musical scales would act in the creation of disciplined music...The structures themselves become our "chords" and the result of learning how to navigate this whole language is very similar to learning the formal language of music. So we are not actually focusing so much on the words as we pronounce them...we are focusing on where they are going and how they weave into and out of one another. This technique makes it possible to retrain the way the mind "discourses" higher mind phenomena. Even if we might reject the Word of Perfection as a standard...the technique being employed with this is precisely what it takes to affect the necessary repairs. It's all about Light & Sound and we need to find new ways of thinking in Light & Sound directly.
m1thr0s
Naomi
02-18-2008, 04:47 PM
Well, one of the reasons I hate the chakras is because when I opened the 3rd eye, it felt like I got disconnected from my own body and my own emotions. Not sure if it had something to do with the shamanic initiation, but they kept the 3rd eye open while torturing me on many different levels, in this way the emotions disintegrated into various parts but because of the opened 3rd eye it didn't affect me in the same way. They also used the 3rd eye to get me confused out of myself, I think they put somekind of device, as everynow and then it 'bugged' and made a blip which made me feel my true self and my own emotions. The funny part is that everynow and then when I got the 3rd eye closed in, it felt like I began immediately a healing process and the disintegrated emotions started to heal again and I came into my own body and so on. It was also very easy to open up the true crown (pineal gland) by closing the 3rd eye and concentrating on the crown. What I'm so pissed off on the Indian tradition regarding the 'crown' or 1000-petaled lotus is that it gives such a wrong picture about the whole phenomenom. As when the natural crown is open, it produces a near physical light that is certainly measurable by scientific instruments, and even normal people who have no 'energetic sensing' can see this opened crown. In this state there is no God as one is already in that consciousness state, and one is connected directly to the planet and the universe, instead of going through anykind of dream crap. The opposite of this again is the 'collective dream' that they have also misleadingly placed upon the crown, which has nothing to do really with this naturally and physically existing phenomenom on top of the head.
Hey I know what you're talking about. I could reccomend you to a few different higher intelligences that can align with your desires or influences but would you be able to trust the control room? It's a little distant down here. I think the only way to do this kind of stuff is with spiritual allies of some kind. I can't remember anytime in my life when I didn't have little spirits running around doing protection work for me. Maybe you need a more powerful guide or something to temporarily fill in the blanks.
I believe your chakras are fine, you just may need to learn how to utilize them properly. Tough because, well, like we see, there is no school for mutational alchemists....maybe this one. They have online colleges right? More in the style of the Greek circle than a traditional university. Thank Satan.
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I just read what m1thr0s wrote. I stil think you can get by with a guide but it needs to be a powerful one. I guess my background is very into alliances with the ethereal. We can't have it all. I mean, not without help. I like to think there are also a lot of good (and powerul) entities that will give a helping hand to fellow travellers. It doesn't have to be seen as some seperate external thing. Like Deimos refers to them as parts of his body which is a Tibetan cosmological stance (also tantra) I use both because it's a good way to bridge the language barriers as the world of the occult becomes meshed into something cohesive.
I think that the Sphere is actually all about Light & Sound. When awakening I had somekind of hunch that everything would be composed of Light & Sound. In a way meaning Art and the other polarity with Sound. Both interwined with each other in some kind of Eternal Love game <3. It was very beautiful to behold. Think one had something to do with Materia and the other with Light. Would be nice to remember it all tho as the state of consciousness was very clear. Perhaps it will all come back someday when I've retired from society into nature alone pondering about these things. Can't really wait for that to happen :cool: I'm actually very interested in starting to investigate your mappings m1thr0s, but for now I've got way too much in the emotional sector to go through, and too many dimensions and feelings to map through and what not. It's interesting to actually notice that because of the severe traumatization the mind has become dumb (or numb) and with the schizophrenia (the disintegration of the unified frequency of the body), things aren't in communication with each other inside myself. Once the communication is set up between the different levels, things should fire up again, except that there arises also paradoxes where two levels might be in direct conflict with each other, don't know really what to do yet with those conflicting levels. If I'd look at history I'd just put them to war against each other and see who wins, but I don't believe there are winners in a war(or perhaps in winning the defense might yield something very good <3 )
Hey I know what you're talking about. I could reccomend you to a few different higher intelligences that can align with your desires or influences but would you be able to trust the control room? It's a little distant down here. I think the only way to do this kind of stuff is with spiritual allies of some kind. I can't remember anytime in my life when I didn't have little spirits running around doing protection work for me. Maybe you need a more powerful guide or something.
I believe your chakras are fine, you just may need to learn how to utilize them properly. Tough because, well, like we see, there is no school for mutational alchemists....maybe this one. They have online colleges right? More in the style of the Greek circle than a traditional university. Thank Satan.
Hey thanks :) I think you are right with the spiritual allies kind of thing. Because of the 'awakening of all the dead spirits in all the dimensions to help in the changes' thing I've gotten flooded with negative spirits that wish to do harm. I would really want to help them, but unfortunately the city enviroment didn't help that much with it. It doesn't help either to be very very sensitive. In the process of explosion (or awakening), I let in alot of spirits to destroy my masculine side to help protect something, but now I'm just left with the destruction and having no borders outside, which is really a negative side. Also the trauma seems to make the body converge towards negativity, at times it feels like I would be a black hole in the city sucking all the shit from others. But I suppose it's a time for a change now. I usually try to tell the spirits to get into the next world where they should be but since I still have impurities in myself I get stuck in those and too easily let it on the poor trapped spirit, which in turn makes it hate me even more. I'm very glad to distribute this work to anyone who would like to volunteer, it feels a bit like cleaning the sewers but I suppose it's worth it in the end :)
Another problem which I have is that I am overly empathic, and I am mirroring everyone else that is near me. If they have egos going against their Self, then that part of ego is copied automatically into me, which either gets stuck in me or then I find a way to handle it. I suppose it would be easier if I could find love for them as that would melt the ego away, but at the moment I'm having trouble with my own heart as I went against it for a long time which evidently made matters only worse. But gladly I'm getting over it now!
Naomi
02-18-2008, 05:31 PM
You are in nature Amur. Even in the most complex urban jungle it is still nature...
Your complex mappings you speak of may not be worth looking at from a *complex* perspective. If you Take it down a few notches and simplify it into very basic concepts, discarding the illusion of a multiplicitious region for a dense singularity with many inclusions you may arrive at a point of solidarity. At that point in time you can rock the universe from a single point and solve all of your emotional complexities from above.
Now when I talked about entities it's not a very simple subject at first glance. I was working with a number of entities at the time of my third major awakening last year and these all began to split off from each other, while others combined into greater forms - all of the demons and demigods of a blacker nature coalesced into Mahakala, and at one point I was speaking only to Venus. She was a gatekeeper of some kind. Probably invpolved with a part of the brain or the archetype arising from the part of the brain that has to do with envy, love and posessiveness. These are her traits. She's equated with Lucifer by proxy in their relationship to the Morning Star. I think this is correct bevause I had some very sudden unbidden interactions with the lucifer god type early on and they felt the same. It may be I was hallucinating but what is a hallucination but a manifestation of mind?
Lucifer/Venus or whoever the hell, was very helpful at guiding certain parts of the process to attaining bliss and enlightenment. Then, after about a month of guarding me, she/he/it began to turn corrosive as I advanced further. I had to discard the form. Ningishzidda was showing me how I had outgrown her so far that I would not achieve any good from remaining under that influence or doing its will. So I left it behind, a remnant, a shell of what I had used to attain the next level of godhood.
Do you see? What you can do is tie groups of entities together and just like neurons making up different sections of the brain they begin to work together and form whole worlds and dimensions and you can control vast expanses of time and space with them. All theoretically of course, but this is well documented in the east by the Tantras and by the Ayurvedic studies.
Ok so go on...
MythMath
02-18-2008, 09:42 PM
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m1thr0s
02-19-2008, 01:07 AM
I stil think you can get by with a guide but it needs to be a powerful one. I guess my background is very into alliances with the ethereal. We can't have it all. I mean, not without help. I like to think there are also a lot of good (and powerul) entities that will give a helping hand to fellow travellers. It doesn't have to be seen as some seperate external thing. Like Deimos refers to them as parts of his body which is a Tibetan cosmological stance (also tantra) I use both because it's a good way to bridge the language barriers as the world of the occult becomes meshed into something cohesive.This is undoubtedly true but I also prefer to shock people with the notion that none of it is *necessary* to begin with...because it isn't. These things are as much a liability as they may be an asset and only useful if you know how to drop them like a bad habit on a moment's notice. That being the case, why employ them at all, save only as a personal preference and then at your own risk, since anything that whispers in your ear is just as liable to be whispering falsehoods as truths... If you are dependent upon their assistance, how the hell will you know the difference? If you are not...then why bother with them at all?
I admit however than the mind requires props. I am of the opinion that this is the province of symbol and that people only rely upon any other props owing to a general lack of understanding regarding the correct nature and use of symbols. Logos itself makes a surer guide at 1/1000th the cost as a rule...but if you have not forged a proper relationship to symbol this knowledge may be useless to you. As in the case of literacy itself, there really is no proper substitute for actually learning how to read and write but if these things really are not possible to be attained, then developing a vivid imagination by any means available may yet be the next best alternative.
In saying all of this I don't mean to implicate some kind of sterile universe in which living archetypes have no place...quite the opposite...I prefer to grant these entities the same freedom of autonomy I would grant any other sentient being so they may come and go as they like but I will not try to harness them in the performance of my will...or if they should oppose me they will have to go up against my arsenal which is dangerous and merciless, operating as it does at a very high level of technological efficiency. Symbols I can tolerate as direct guides and helpers simply because it is beyond their capacity to lie, even if they wanted to. They must always tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth as a consequence of their being symbols, which I do not confuse with "words" per se...this is another classification altogether.
m1thr0s
Naomi
02-19-2008, 01:25 AM
The only way to tell is by the results in your life after following their advice.
With other entities which often spew falsehood such as Goetics or certain gods from the underworld, you really just have to understand I am I not really threatened by their weird rambling....
It's so important to know you don't need any of it, though. I definately agree to that.
m1thr0s
02-19-2008, 01:47 AM
As long as you really do know that then you can play with these things however you like. I know almost no one who has really reached that degree of maturity within archetypal realms however...more often than not people are still clinging to their HGA's - or whatever - just like a hick and his plastic jesus...
m1thr0s
You are in nature Amur. Even in the most complex urban jungle it is still nature...
Gah, I don't thik the urban jungle is nature. Atleast not when they keep the energy inverted to High Above as God. Thinking about God in the city is actually a way to get a connection to the planet. In nature I don't find this same phenomenom. In the city I find alot of energies from other cultures in the galaxy above, and not all of them are so nature friendly unfortunately. There was somekind of meeting held on what to do with the planet and I would really think that ppl with that kind of power would think a bit for what is best for the people and for the planet and the nature itself, but they just kept rambling on with their own agendas and all I could do was burst into tears and say that "why do you not think about the planet and nature at all?" So now I'm growing up and thinking of removing those ppl that don't care about the planet. I'm sure they can find another planet to test their agendas out, some planet that hasn't got such a big complex web of life on it. I'm sure they'll be pissed as hell but too bad, if they don't care about the planet then I don't care about them either. Though I suppose grace could be shown to them and guide them to the right way in regards to how to relate to this planet.
In saying all of this I don't mean to implicate some kind of sterile universe in which living archetypes have no place...quite the opposite...I prefer to grant these entities the same freedom of autonomy I would grant any other sentient being so they may come and go as they like but I will not try to harness them in the performance of my will...or if they should oppose me they will have to go up against my arsenal which is dangerous and merciless, operating as it does at a very high level of technological efficiency. Symbols I can tolerate as direct guides and helpers simply because it is beyond their capacity to lie, even if they wanted to. They must always tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth as a consequence of their being symbols, which I do not confuse with "words" per se...this is another classification altogether.
This is exactly what I also require from them. If they can not tell the Truth then they will be removed(or of course they can withdraw from what they have done and take responsibility for it and humble themselves before it, I suppose that would fix alot of things), as simple as that. They can always remain as spectators looking at how things go forward, but they will surely not be involved in the plans of Manifestation. With this I testify with my own Fire. And with it I too am quite merciless and certainly very dangerous. (And of course I am _NOT_ excused from this Fire even though I would be the Creator of it as it harms me also as it does to others) I actually found a passage that supports this very strongly(from Baha'u'llah's Hidden Words (http://www.bahai.com/Bahaullah/hiddenwords.htm)): "55. O SON OF BEING!
Busy not thyself with this world, for with fire We test the gold, and with gold We test Our servants."
Here is another passage speaking about the same Truth:
"51. O SON OF MAN!
My calamity is My providence, outwardly it is fire and vengeance, but inwardly it is light and mercy. Hasten thereunto that thou mayest become an eternal light and an immortal spirit. This is My command unto thee, do thou observe it"
I think I need to blow a bit on the Fire already burning in this world, will certainly be interesting to see what it reveals *grin*... Anyway sorry to deviate from the original topic of this thread.
I think it would be very beneficial to find somekind of engine that correlates to our own DNA and gene-pool, and with our own Astrology. As life certainly evolves around those two important points. Another thing that came to mind is that salt-water seems to clean out energetical impurities, and looking at how our own DNA is in a salt-water solution, it should be very pure inside. What's your own experience regarding salt-water and energetical imprints?
m1thr0s
02-19-2008, 11:51 AM
I think it would be very beneficial to find somekind of engine that correlates to our own DNA and gene-pool, and with our own Astrology.
I think you are completely missing what is right in front of you Amur, but I'm not going to get looped into defending it. What you need is already at your disposal. If there is something else you require...some other form perhaps...my best guess is that you already know what and where it is...
m1
Naomi
02-19-2008, 12:00 PM
Well I didn't used to think so either, but I was forced to re-evaluate my position when I moved from wild and natural to city enviroments, it was a very difficult adaptation for me I assure you, but it enabled me to come to terms with the fact that the city is not so separate from universe as we think it is, it's just a stepping stone to the greater natural world of stars and extra planets.
I use salt water for cleansing things with witchcraft, also salt and H2O have a special pertinence to the Book of the Law (imho)
I think it would be very beneficial to find somekind of engine that correlates to our own DNA and gene-pool, and with our own Astrology.
Hmmm....I wonder...I wonder what engine that could be (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/forumdisplay.php?f=70) lol
I think you are completely missing what is right in front of you Amur, but I'm not going to get looped into defending it. What you need is already at your disposal. If there is something else you require...some other form perhaps...my best guess is that you already know what and where it is...
m1
Lol, I'm sorry for being such a fool but I can't really help it, have to go through this shit on my own pace as I got it so hard with it that I literally de-evaluated into a fucking retard, quite disturbing to be honest but I guess there's nothing else to do but work hard in getting it fixed again. In plain words it means that I got stuck inside my reptile brain for quite some time and got into a fear-loop and in what not limbo states etc. Quite an interesting process really, but I suppose that one has to destroy oneself and rebuild it again to learn some of it's secrets. From start I do feel that we share somekind of mutual destiny m1thr0s and some miracles have even shown this to me in plain experience. What I really need is something to be able to adjust to huge and huge amounts of emotional pain. Cold showers certainly help a whole great deal in this matter.
Well I didn't used to think so either, but I was forced to re-evaluate my position when I moved from wild and natural to city enviroments, it was a very difficult adaptation for me I assure you, but it enabled me to come to terms with the fact that the city is not so separate from universe as we think it is, it's just a stepping stone to the greater natural world of stars and extra planets.
I use salt water for cleansing things with witchcraft, also salt and H2O have a special pertinence to the Book of the Law (imho)
I'm sure it would be easier to live in a city enviroment if one was more healed than what I am, but since I'm so destroyed it's quite hard to go day in day out looking at demons and what not shaite from other peoples. It even makes it worse because it feels that either the world of stars and extra planets communications center has gone off, or then those stars and extra planets have gone completely crazy (like this planet). I kinda blame the sun for running amook in this thing and not letting those other frequencies come. (Btw these are all my own symbolics that I have experienced and that are probalby linked to something).
Anyway, if you know of a good method on how to ingest consciously large amounts of pain then please do tell me. The best solution would be something that wouldn't hurt the reptilian cortex inside either. Was thinking of getting some masochistic spikes and what not to get used to pain but the reptile inside doesn't really want that. But I suppose it could be hardened slowly over time.
Naomi
02-19-2008, 01:51 PM
BDSM studies....
get into the pain
that's how I do it
only when I have no choice about the pain though...don't go thinking I'm some sort of masochistic weirdo or anything, I'm just a normal weirdo. But I did pick up some great tips for BDSM when I first got on my highschool computers I worked through tons of shit early on - on my own. I'm very addicted to occult work and research. I've had to deal with tremendous amounts of physical pain at various points in my life. I also have a phobia of pills for some reason, so for a while I didn't even take any tylenol. I was afraid of mostly not being able to feel if my body was in pain or not.
As for the emotional pain have you tried talking to the mirrors? Might work...they usually just give me advice on how to fix my hair and what to eat but they're good emo support when you're feeling emo.
Tree Fields 001 (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=1276)
I think you would benefit from the solar grounding ritual too...judging from your descriptions of the problems you are having. It really helped me alot.
Hmm, I'm quite embarrassed to say that I thought going through a trauma on 5-meo-dmt (a strong psychedelic) would be a good idea as I would be in touch with the "inner light" or God or whatever. But unfortunately it was the worst I could do to myself, and after the experience I've been getting "spiritual experiences" on how the whole spirituality and reality leaves me all-together. And after that experience I haven't really been able to be inside my own body. My own body got dissociated into like 5-10 cm away from my own physical body. Another funny thing is that the God inside me or outside me which gets mirrored by different things is telling me that I'm going to somekind of experience of pain that will last a thousand years. Been getting all kinds of experiences where the whole enviroment is very fucking hostile in all manners, and the only way through that is to experience that hostility and pain. Well apparently because of what I've done it will be possible to relieve ppl who've gone through likewise soul destruction, to repair them and get them back to love again, but will take quite some effort to achieve this. Apparently there are quite many persons in a state of limbo also, where there is so much emotional pain inside that they can't deal with it and just stay in a state of 'ghostness' around. I'm not sure how to get them out from this place but I suppose it will happen through a 3rd agency. For me time was needed to get out of it, but was a quite crazy time of de-attachment when one simply wasn't there.
m1thr0s
02-19-2008, 04:33 PM
The TwinStar can actually repair this type of damage where many other things cannot...including the pentagram and other more well known symbolisms. The main problem is that when the damage is severe it typically requires hands-on instruction to effect repairs because every little nuance is at issue here...A skilled instructor needs to be able to assess exactly where you are at in each step of the process in order to know where to adjust your focus...if you side-step the meditation itself (which is possible if you are already outside the circle) then it will still eventually work but will take a great deal longer. You have to be able to position yourself dead center to the TwinStar itself or you'll miss its benefits...and you have to be able to pour a lot of energy into it...though not nearly as much as with other practices...
So I don't know Amur...I could help if I was there...from here it's sort of up to you. I can only tell you that I have definitely seen the TwinStar repair this kind of damage. As Naomi has indicated...grounding to Sol is one of the things that really helps here and this is something the TwinStar does regularly. It's a rebuilding process generally...one systematically reconstructs ones own immediate solar system where you yourself reside exactly at center.
m1thr0s
Naomi
02-19-2008, 05:30 PM
That's right, I stopped doing the solar grounding ritual after I began the Twinstar, and it did connect me to the sun - far better than before. Almost to much.....
naah
A problem for me is that it seems that they changed the whole thing (TwinStar) just before I got born here and made a mess out of it. When I awakened to the whole thing because something went wrong somewhere, they just got more hostile that I was in an awakened state and should not be there and did all kinds of weirdness and absurdities. Feels actually that I've been hunted ever since. I know the finnish spirits testify about how things really are but been doing quite idiotical things here without trusting the local spirits which was a real idiocy. Then there was another thing about sneaking a 'god' inside here, which was even more idiotical. There has come many abroad signals about how things should go forward and what not confusing shit that I wouldn't have needed in the first place, and now it feels like they would want to take over nature. That's where I draw the line, if they do it I destroy everything.
I've tried to imprint Word of Truth on my entire being but apparently this makes ppl very angry at things, in a way it hasn't been easy as even my own consciousness / emotional part wants to go against this even though I'm sure I can't go against it.
I would very much like to come to USA but it just feels like they would abuse me more and steal secrets that wouldn't belong to them in the first place, which is probably why I choose to take the other road.
Radiant Star
02-19-2008, 05:32 PM
That's right, I stopped doing the solar grounding ritual after I began the Twinstar, and it did connect me to the sun - far better than before. Almost to much.....
naah
Thats interesting because I too had a strong connection with the sun through point ten a few days back.
Hmm, because I stared into the sun merely pissed off about how matters were here, trying to send the signal through the whole universe and to every dimension I knew, I got into somekind of dispute with the sun heh, suppose I should make peace with it again. Saw the sun as a gateway that didn't let everyone get home so had to give it a lesson in those matters. Well apparently Krishna and a couple of other vibrations didn't like what I did so they turned it against myself lol. Apparently it is too scary to give freedom to humanity as they would certainly loose alot of attachments they made here :laugh:
m1thr0s
02-20-2008, 11:58 AM
A problem for me is that it seems that they changed the whole thing (TwinStar) just before I got born here and made a mess out of it.There "they" are again...I fear you will never be rid of "them" Amur...you are willing to assign to them powers they do not have and skills they cannot even vaguely comprehend..."they" have done nothing to the TwinStar Amur...not a godamm thing can "they" do...but perhaps dissuade you to think clearly...this is the only power "they" really have...
m1thr0s
There "they" are again...I fear you will never be rid of "them" Amur...you are willing to assign to them powers they do not have and skills they cannot even vaguely comprehend..."they" have done nothing to the TwinStar Amur...not a godamm thing can "they" do...but perhaps dissuade you to think clearly...this is the only power "they" really have...
Ok thanks, I'll see what I can do about it. Seem to be pushing on a shame factor here, might be that it's a way of seeking the boundaries back that got destroyed.
m1thr0s
02-20-2008, 01:00 PM
beware the trap of bonding with your tormentors...this happens all the time and you would hardly be the first to fall for this devious entrapment. If you set your mind to banish them...banish them...and don't let up until you cannot even invite them to speak any longer...
you have bigger fish to fry than "them"...though I am no expert on schizophrenia, if that is what you are dealing with...nevertheless the essential principles of magick remain the same. I don't doubt for a moment that a good many magicians have suffered from this condition to one or another extents historically...if it cannot be defeated, it can nevertheless be managed.
m1thr0s
That's actually one of the problem, "bonding with the tormentors". I think it's a part of the human psychology to do it as a means of survival, which again links to the reptilian brain cortex. It actually seems that almost all troubles come from this reptilian brain hemisphere that is focused on survival, foox and sex. I'm quite sure that many and many shamans have had to deal with the same shit that I'm going currently through and I must say that I'm very impressed by that a shaman picture I saw had the snake in his hand (which means that he had overwon the reptilian brain inside and thus won the internal battle for survival). Well I might be lucky also that I'm not that far yet as I would've probably killed myself already if I had conquered it which might or might not have been good for the surroundings. (I guess it wouldn't had been good).
It actually feels quite good to start raging inside destroy everything that even contacts me, and certainly very cleaning. Now it has actually escalated to the point where it feels that when I get in touch with this side again I'll destroy the universe lol. I suppose I can always try to do it :laugh:
It's actually schizophrenia that I'm dealing with but it's quite hard to get the boundaries back as they either hurt like hell or make me ashamed like hell, usually coming with somekind of internal 'spiritual' experience. Having the kundalini awakened doesn't either help alot as I suppose I manifest quite weird events all-around the clock. And the torment is quite ridiculous as I've been raped and the kundalini arises in that exactly same route, causing a lot of pain in the process, no time to open up the chakras, I'm coming :laugh: Another problem with this schizophrenia is that ones own integrity is obfuscated into alot of weird parts that are either de-attached from each other or then something else. Another problem is "seeing before-time" which means that one can get information that doesn't belong to one yet as it's 'before it's own time', which obviously also sucks for ones own development heh. But I suppose somekind of synchronization work could do alot of good.
Btw, now I know why the scriptures say about "Fear God" and so on. It has to do with the reptile-brain also. When one fears something, it is a form of submission to it, which hinders the reptile-brain from taking control over our own God-consciousness. So in this submission one actually makes the consciousness ascend towards ones own Godhood. I've very long been towards those passages like "wtf is that shit" but apparently that was the key in it.
m1thr0s
02-20-2008, 02:56 PM
I have seen the TwinStar perform remarkable reparations on at least one pretty severe multiple personality disorder but I have never been in a position to combine my knowledge and skills with the medical community at large, unfortunately. It is my distinct impression that there is a tremendous goldmine here in terms of medical applications of all kinds. Historically, Abrahadabra was always linked to medicine just as Trigrammaton has been so I think that anything I may have uncovered can only possibly continue along a similar vein...
Sadly, you are somewhat left to your own devices on this although please feel free to consult with me on anything at any time...doesn't have to just be in terms of public posts or anything. You are in a unique sort of position actually in that you do have access to something both powerful and unknown in terms of modern psychiatry at least. The downside, for me, is that not being more intimately aware of your condition from a physical standpoint, I am not 100% sure which types of applications to focus on...and we have many dozens of choices to pick from...this thing is hardly a one-trick-pony...
It would of course be more than just a little exciting if you were to find the way to employ this tech against your condition successfully but I recognize the problems must be daunting. What I don't want you to do...and what I am likely to keep challenging you on periodically...is to succumb to *reducio ad absurdum* with respect to this tech and what it is capable of...this is all part of the condition itself as I know it and while I am not an expert, I am also not a complete stranger to this condition.
So if I seem to get a little huffy periodically...please bear with me on this...it is only that I do know this system very well and have very good reasons to think it can handle even very complex medical conditions...although we cannot be so foolish as to ignore any other options that may also apply in any given circumstance...the whole art is more about knowing how to mix and match things to utmost advantage...I would never be so mundane as to promote a one-size-fits-all solution...
Abrahadabra itself is all about achieving a "maximum inertia - minimum stress". In a very real sense it is all about maximizing our odds. From this position...from the advantage of an enhanced consciousness...we can better proceed to tackle highly complex technical problems which may have their final root in the physical and thus may ultimately have to be patched at the physical level. So it's not so much that Abrahadabra can immediately fix all situations...but it can greatly enhance our natural abilities to find these solutions. It is like a great Lamp or Prism that can be trained in all directions but things which have specific causes in nature will also have specific solutions, so I never try to assert that it is an end-all in and of itself. In many cases it can achieve direct results. In other cases it can tip the balance so that these results can better come to light.
m1thr0s
So if I seem to get a little huffy periodically...please bear with me on this...it is only that I do know this system very well and have very good reasons to think it can handle even very complex medical conditions...although we cannot be so foolish as to ignore any other options that may also apply in any given circumstance...the whole art is more about knowing how to mix and match things to utmost advantage...I would never be so mundane as to promote a one-size-fits-all solution...
Don't worry, you have no idea what kind of shit I have been through. Most would have ended their life far in the past if they were me, and I'm still amazed at this thing how it could be possible but apparently there's alot of work to achieve the state I'm looking for.
I do "know" things and I can recognize good shit once I see it and I do have alot of faith in your system m1thr0s. As I said it has been proved to me already by something more or less of a miracle. So no worries, you're on a good land :laugh:
Apparently this pain inducing does return myself to myself and gets the sad corrupting spirits away, which is apparently very good, what I'm quite pissed of about is that I didn't start to listen to this signal before it was 'too late' as much could've been hindered.
Fortunately I came here with technology prepared for this shaite, but there are many that are going to protest and be very angry but too bad, all the best to them really :laugh:
**EDit note: Funny that when I begun my pain inflicting practices, the (city) enviroment manifested an echo from it that I am Satan "As I torture myself and want to inflict pain on others(by telling them about Truth)". I'm sure that the planet itself only loves me more and sees that it is good for me. A pity that ppl in cities have become so reptilisized(food, sex, easy life etc. etc.)
Naomi
02-20-2008, 07:09 PM
Hmm, because I stared into the sun merely pissed off about how matters were here, trying to send the signal through the whole universe and to every dimension I knew, I got into somekind of dispute with the sun heh, suppose I should make peace with it again. Saw the sun as a gateway that didn't let everyone get home so had to give it a lesson in those matters. Well apparently Krishna and a couple of other vibrations didn't like what I did so they turned it against myself lol. Apparently it is too scary to give freedom to humanity as they would certainly loose alot of attachments they made here :laugh:
Strange....I used the sun as a gateway to a world trillions of miles away, probably after you did this...maybe we're working together somehow? I also think m1thr0s is right - there is not so much "they" that matters as much as you give them credit for...If we're powerful we often create enemies that are equal to our strength that don't actually exist. Perhaps you have no such competition Amur....mayb it's all just dried leaves and raking to be done...
Serpents arn't the only reptiles either. People often forget aout turtles and lizards, things like that. Snakes are different from all other reptiles. They don't have eyelids, so they never close their eyes like lizards or turtles, they don't have ears like lizards, they are all carnivorous and lots of them are very very deadly in very small packages.....
So don't get too wrapped up in the reptillian brain BS...that doesn't have a lot to do with modern reptiles anyways. It's connected to protomammals which were around during the time of the dinosaurs, and they descended from reptiles in the early Triassic and beyond I think. Not snakes, at all.
Serpent power is cosmic and embedded in our DNA reflected een in string theory, far beyond the limitations of the brain in your skull. Just look at Ningishzidda, he's not limited by the brain. Ok well, enough on that...good luck with the crossing...
Lol. I must be the bestest fool in the universe *grin*. No seriously I made my peace with teh evil reptiles of teh bible that are as bad as satan *rofl*. Actually the sun thing was a firing mark for the coming golden age to this planet. Unfortunately a bit too many ppl here or forces got a bit too interested in how it had so much power and what not, which made me very irritated actually. I think the best thing was that they were out to seek my technology and I used magick to break myself into a million pieces so that they couldn't get the technology. The funniest part was that I tried hiding this technology for a very long time and they just got more and more eager on how to get it and when they finally got to me, I showed it all and they got _VERY_ angry at me :rofl:. I have no idea what was embedded with that but I didn't really have anything to do with it myself, so all their fights were quite vain rofl...
Actually I think that this is a reptile world. As when you look at the DNA it's 2 serpents copulating with each other, which means that we should all have a LOT of sexuality inside.
Anyway, made quite a ritual with it that lasted a long time which made me insane in the progress, it was supposedly for the good of the planet and caused quite large forces to go around this place, then I stupidly told them to make me the 4th dimensional christ, so I suppose they got quite a few laughes lol...
Anyway, the whole ritual + the thing should've caused things to clean up the entire planet from everything, and those forces are still in emotion and will probably end approximately 2012 when it is completed. The funniest thing was that it feels like USA wanted to make me into Christ because of that thing rofl. And I've actually exploded into "Christhood" (insanity) everynow and then when my own traumas arouse up into consciuosness. Which caused alot of fuss in the cities. Ahh, finally, I'm quite glad to have got it done and told out, now I can finally start resting and enjoying this life.
And yes I was ALL ALONE, I am teh mightiest of teh God(s) into all Eternity :laugh: It's funny how some ppl want to give credit and what not shit and look at me like a spiritual leader or master of somekind and I'm all like "wtf?!?". I think I'm gonna start working as a cleaner and emitting that signal, I hope their egos will make them shut up or start thinking about something better to do than to 'see me as something Great'. Made it quite more difficult really as a part of myself blew myself up into something 'great', the funniest part was that this balloon exploded when it blew up too much :laugh: And now I have alot of pissed off ppl telling me that I'm going to suffer and die a terrible death and what not. I'm quite amazed as I was actually raped in this life, and I thought I had a tight ass, but apparently those ppl have alot more tight asses than me :laugh:
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