Frater?

[deviadah]

Just something I have been wondering for some time now on this forum and others...

Why are there so many that use the title Frater before their name? Just here on AF there are several:

Fr. Lucian
fr.novumorganum
Frater CaO
Frater LL
frater luciferi
Frater Pyramidatus
Frater SI
Frater Yechidah
FraterDQNI

Just curious...

:cool:

[fr.novumorganum]

its one of teh campy things from the tradition i really like

kind of sop in the orders i've joined

i like the way it sounds

[Anibis]

No Sorors around, though..
-A-

[frater luciferi]

i chose the name frater luciferi actually in tribute to the catholic priest as a sort of slight to fundamentalists...i still dig on the whole old tradition thing though..

[Naomi]

No Sorors around, though..
-A-

What are you talking about, I'm around....

frater is just one of those gay occult things that isn't really gay....

[Anibis]

Of course... I meant people wearing the title...
-A-

[Radiant Star]

Soror is a way of showing you are female Anibis and some of us females have experienced a certain amount of misogynistic backlash in other places. With that in mind, a few years back, I rejoined a board (naughty eh? lol) as Frater something and had a completely different experience, the guys were friendly, inclusive and totally unaware of who I was.

Frater is a good way of saying, I am a male magickian and I take my path seriously, or at least that is why I tried it out. It was an interesing experiment.

[Naomi]

I automatically picture anal seepage....no reason

anyways I have a super sensitive male bullshit meter. anyone trying to pull the "i'm better because I'm male" card is definately going to earn my automatic disregard. I've written off several people without them even knowing it. You could call me a femi nazi or w/e but it's just my way of defending my stake in reality. Something impressed me about the sorry state of female affairs early on in my life and my observations of the world have lead me to conclude the best possible stance for women is constant vigilance and zero tolerance for men who hate strong women. It's easy enough to pretend you love women when you are adoring the weak little mouse type. It furthers the misogynistic agenda.

Often this can be asserted as a tendency to disdain as inferiority the advantages women do have.

But yeah...nobody escapes my scrutiny on this factor, they're never able to hide it...that and cats, if a guy just doesn't like cats I write them off.

I understand both women and men, they don't confuse me at all. I don't tolerate the human shortcomings of greed, ignorance and entropy.

Time for another round of sexism in magick discussion I think....whoever wants to start the topic be my guest....i read that old Sexism in Ceremonial Magic thread we made a few years ago and I didn't understand what I was talking about....

Anyways, the internet is one of the only places you can play around with gender...as I don't resemble a guy nearly enough to do crossdressing irl accurately...but online I'm a chick magnet when I am a guy. :D

[Dragon]

to actually answer your question...Frater means brother, and Soror means sister.

[Fio Praeter Humanus]

It makes you sound more official and esoteric...

Hmmm, maybe from here on out I will go as Archmagus Fio...

[deviadah]

to actually answer your question...Frater means brother, and Soror means sister.
Thanks...

:cool:

[Frater SI]

Its definitely a traditional order thing. These days I mostly go by Vovin (Enochian for Dragon).. But most everybody knows me as Frater SI ...

[Naomi]

i secretly call you blondie

also Kuroyagi

[Frater SI]

hehe it could be worse I geuss :)

[Kuroyagi]

the best possible stance for women is constant vigilance and zero tolerance for men who hate strong women.
I think one of the more common "misogynic" stances of men towards women is that they dont take women for full: it means that men will "grandely tolerate" womens every idiocies and quirks saying that "she is only emotional" and let them/her "act foolishly" etc...they "let" them act out their peculiarities, meaning that whatever the women do they (the men) deeply believe that former are "inferior" anyway and that its not even necessary to confront them and their critique or misgivings on equal terma; they tolerate them, in the modern sense of tolerance which means: indifference, which presupposes that they are not equal. Stupid idiots, you need to take care of this kind of processes much more than of directly hostile ones. Its workings are more subtle cause even half-unconscious to the men themselves; much more than straight forward misogynic behaviour which is obvious, anyway...the same also shows in some behaviour of men even on the net and these various fora etc..its not all their fault either, they simply dont have that degree of self-awareness and have been "subjected to" some deeply embedded cultural conditioning, thats all and thereby those men will often have "difficulties with women"...anyway, not my prob, just saying. ;)

On topic: I think that those who call themselves frater or soror are for one recurring to tradition as was said, since its the designation of monks and nuns under God who makes all equal (like siblings) in relation to Himself, and secondly are in some kind of middle stage in their developments- neither are they at the very beginning when one still doesnt know the lingo, nor are they at a more advanced stage when one sees the futility of all ranks and titles (cause then and only then one has even acquired some titles but only chooses not to mention them- be they mundane like noble titles or degrees, or esoteric or religious ones..), some are merely playing around with them but most dont mean anything at all by them- as always...

[Naomi]

I admit I don't have a lot of respect for either men or women. They remind me of inbreeds. I mean, copies of each other. There's an ideal somewhere in the mix but women have to forgive men first and men have to allow women to change for it to work.

And it'll be messy, there's no doubt about that.

And Kuroyagi, if you don't like my personality quirks and eccentricities, why on earth are you friends with me? Those didn't arise from my femininity I assure you!

[Kuroyagi]

And Kuroyagi, if you don't like my personality quirks and eccentricities
What in my post did incite such a statement I wonder? I was not talking about you but clarifying or deepening on something that you wrote...

[Naomi]

I don't know I thought it would be funny to say so, so I did...I make shit up alot these days just to get a reaction.....sometimes my questions have no other purpose than to incite discussion. I've had the best e-mail conversations this way recently....

but it appears you're immune, how strange is that...I think your feminine side is very nice!

[Kuroyagi]

So is your male...

But for me your "normal" posts are enough inspiration for further musings and studies anyway, so no "antagonism" would be needed but dont let that impede your freedom of speech and will, my friend! I also like to "try out" various different lines of reactions to others and its a very good method for sure...

[Naomi]

Well of course I know that I learned it from you cuz!!!

[m1thr0s]

I can appreciate the whole "frater" thing but for some reason it doesn't have any meaning to me on a personal level...I just don't feel like a *frater* anything...which is sort of weird...no real explanation for it...

In the case of "m1thr0s"...looked upon only as a personna...I think the name is probably just too self-contained already...although "br'er m1thr0s" almost works...but no...not really...it just doesn't make any sense...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

except that you're the easter bunny
I mean, if you were the easter bunny

yeah

[m1thr0s]

Ustur actually...Ustur Bunny...

although I think it might more properly be Hare...Ustur Hare...

I think that if a magickal name is sufficiently independent, even honorifics just sort of fall off badly...you just wouldn't think of a Sri Ningishzidda for instance, a Frater Set or even a Lord Apsu...maybe you could pull off a Frater Set just because the name has been sort of depreciated somewhat. It's got something to do with these titles running into conflict with the dynamics of the names themselves...and/or the archetypes they seem to represent. Brother Baphomet...yuck...seems like fighting words almost.

m1

[Naomi]

yes that's true, I didn't get very far with 'om namah ningishzidda" before i got told to cut that crap out.

Now I just use the name, and I have to refine all of my language this way, I find. Just to be clear and efficient. I see no need to add an honorific unless it really tells something we don't already know, and the brother-sister thing is a good lesson but if we havn't learned it at this stage of life knowing what we know at least here on abrahadabra.com then why do we need reminders? It's almost just a novelty I guess, silly and outdated by about a 1000 years.

Ok but what do I know.

Thanks for clearing up the bunny thing by the way, it's important knowing these little details. I need chocolate this year btw, dark, maybe with little rasberry bits