What is Kabbalah - Website Link

[m1thr0s]

There are many links available regarding Qabbalah, Kabbalah, Qabala, etc but I found this one to be especially lucid and concise:

see: What is Kabbalah? (http://www.templesanjose.org/JudaismInfo/tradition/kabbalahindex.htm)

I am also frankly thrilled to finally see at least one other Tree of Life out there someplace that links En Soph (or what I sometimes call the Highest Crown) to the rest of the Tree. This may serve as a little proof that I don't just make stuff up as I go along with respect to Abrahadabra et al...

There are also some very useful downloadable pdf files of key importance to properly understanding Qabbalah...

Hope people find this link useful, I know I did...

On a side note, here is a very useful web presentation of the complete Zohar (https://www.kabbalah.com/k/index.php/p=zohar/zohar)

m1thr0s

[Kain]

Hope people find this link useful, I know I did...Great link m1thr0s, thanks for sharing!

Kain

[m1thr0s]

I always have mixed feelings about Qabbalah, Kabbalah, Qabala etc etc etc...

On the one hand there is obviously some very powerful stuff running through it. On the other hand it has become so thick and convoluted over time as to render it a nearly ridiculous task to attempt to actually learn it. You'd almost have to do nothing else at all for the next 200 years and there's no guarantee you would have mastered it by then. There's something wrong with anything that gets to be that pushy / demanding, like some sort of relentless intellectual mouse trap. So I have a real problem with that. I appreciate complex ideas but I also know that they can easily become and end unto themselves.

But, in general, I keep pace with it the best I can...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

I know exactly what you mean. I suppose my approach on the subject is that I try to do the best I can in learning more about it without letting it consume me...it's a thin line, and Kabbalah tends to do that, but it can be done if you are alright with approachnig things from a slightly "informatory" angle and a keen eye for synchronicities and possible global applications, while working with other things as well.

Kain

[fr.novumorganum]

At this moment in my development, I'm inclined to think the best things to know about qabbalah are the various tools (gematria, nine chambers etc) that it developed which still seem close to the best we have for interpreting much of the information we generate here in the wierd sciences. The rest seems much like systematic window-dressing (no offense meant to any)

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I suppose my approach on the subject is that I try to do the best I can in learning more about it without letting it consume me...

I can hardly remember a thing I've read about the Qabbalah (or the Qipploth, and I was reading up on that two days ago!), and that's because I don't try to memorise any part of it at all. I use/learn whatever I have to use at the time of use, if you get what I mean. I've found from my own experience of trying to create/recreate/use or memorise cosmologies that one more often than not finds oneself in a cosmological quagmire which if anything hinders the practice of magick.

[Radiant Star]

Thanks for these links - I have wanted to take a good look at the k., q., errr, tree for a while now, I think the Zohar link will be most useful to me at this juncture.

I don't have a couple of hundred years left down here to go the full hog, but I would like to compare it to, or understand it as, key stages in psychological and spiritual maturity. The question has always been where to start; looks like right here LOL

[DocHolliday]

Excepting the fact that the web site belongs to a Reform synagogue, I actually can't complain about this one. It gets a semi-seal of approval from me :P

[Radiant Star]

Is there a tree site that gets your full approval Doc? Share it? or them? ;)

[m1thr0s]

I guess that makes us *Syncretists* Kain, Ci Celli Ddu...lol
What the hell...I can live with that. It's mostly a matter of keeping your ducks organized really. I try to keep exploratory stuff separated from traditional stuff and not confuse the two. That's where a lot of people miss the boat...just because you reference something doesn't mean you are aligned with its traditional concepts, applications etc... If you know that and are careful to observe the distinction, I don't see where it's necessarily a problem. It can be a significant advantage actually. Magick (or whatever) always boils down to the skill of the Mage him/herself...

m1thr0s

[Kain]

I guess that makes us *Syncretists* Kain, Ci Celli Ddu...lolDamn right...lol...
What the hell...I can live with that. It's mostly a matter of keeping your ducks organized really. I try to keep exploratory stuff separated from traditional stuff and not confuse the two. That's where a lot of people miss the boat...just because you reference something doesn't mean you are aligned with its traditional concepts, applications etc... If you know that and are careful to observe the distinction, I don't see where it's necessarily a problem. It can be a significant advantage actually. Magick (or whatever) always boils down to the skill of the Mage him/herself...

m1thr0sI very much agree with your viewpoint here, and I always try to keep the experimental endeavors seperated from the ones I accept in their traditional form and structure, thus always working in at least two distinct layers in my personal practice. Often, I even put otherwise perfectly traditional attributions in the experimental sector/pen, so that I can see and familiarize myself with the system in question from a certain "distance" and see how it rolls in synchronicity with my personal model.

Kain

[DocHolliday]

Is there a tree site that gets your full approval Doc? Share it? or them?

It's not that I disapprove of the model(s) presented of the ToL. All the ones I've seen are quite valid. It's more the overall description of what Qabbalah is that I often take issues with.

[Dragon]

It's not that I disapprove of the model(s) presented of the ToL. All the ones I've seen are quite valid. It's more the overall description of what Qabbalah is that I often take issues with.

Please elucidate. Specifically what set off your alarms?
Is it inauthenticity or discrepancies in philosophy? Is it a cosmological issue? Please drop the other shoe.....I'm genuinely curious, this thread has substance.

Supercalaqabbalisticalexpialidocious.

Dragon