Love + ? = profit

[deviadah]

Been thinking a lot about greed for about a year now and I have again and again seen the proof that greed is always a short-term sollution. On large scales, or small for that matter, greed - in the end - will always bite you in the ass.

But even if it is so it still does not stop people, and nations, to be greedy! So we have all these wars and horrors. Obviously love is the only cure, but yet it has failed to work.

Greed is a powerful emotion and the only way, I figure, to stop the nasty consequences of greed is to somehow make love, freedom and peace profitable!

If a profit can be made from love then peace will reign!

Problem is how can this be applied? How can one make love profitable?

For instance I employ a few people, and the other day one of them had been doing a good job and I really wanted to show my gratitude so I raised their salary. Now of course I have the greed that I want the employee to continue doing a great job, and the employee has the greed to earn more money so she (as it was in this case) will continue to do a good job.

But there is also a joy to do it! It is a gift since I am taking money from my own personal profit and sharing it with her. And she feels good too since it is always nice to be appreciated. So there is a form of love going on!

And yet there is not a visible profit! There is only the theory that she will work harder and increase my profit!

Sorry if this is getting long, just venting a bit. But I think it is a good query to answer: how can love become profitable? Because it will do good I am certain - especially for those people who lack empathy and strive only for earning that extra buck.

:cool:

The Top 10 Financial Scams of the 2002 Corporate Crime Wave (http://www.multinationalmonitor.org/mm2002/02december/dec02corp2.html)
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[m1thr0s]

Is greed really an *emotion*?

It is often classed as a *desire* but I am not even so sure that this is correct. I think it has its roots in Fear and is more of a fear-response run amok than it is an emotion, or even a desire, which is just an outward focalization.

Is it greedy to water your houseplants so they will be healthy and happy (as a plant can be)? We could perhaps argue that it serves the purpose of making you look responsible, and perhaps even "cool" when people come visiting! If this was your only motivation, perhaps it would be greedy but the simple fact that you may stand to gain some benefit from this doesn't seem to make it greedy.

I am hesitant to turn a negative into a positive just as the proponents of *greed is your friend* have done...greed is no one's *friend*...it is a kind of mental illness that many people share...a fear, at bottom, of going without...a *hoarding* behavior rooted in fear.

m1

[MythMath]

...a *hoarding* behavior rooted in fear.


I agree with this completely...

Share your energy, starchildren... :yes:

[Sibylle]

I don't think money and love make the best bedfellows, but the churches that pass the plate asking for a "love offering" want to instill that they are intimately related. Love is the greatest thing, but I don't carry it in my wallet.

As far as greed, I don't think that most working (or not!) people can be called greedy. There is greed, and there is need, and I see a lot more of the latter. The successfully greedy person would be wealthy.

[Naomi]

I love how positive you are MythMath.

The one thing I don't have a problem with is greed, yet sometimes I worry about money and it is all rooted in fear. The thing I do is always remember that somehow the universe attempts to provide for all of us. Yet it doesn't always come in the ways we expect. You can allow for the help, and you have to be responsible for those under you. I think that people starve and lose their lives because of irresponsible leaders. They in turn have to answer to a greater authority than themselves in the end. Nothing can remain dark forever and I think this is one of the most compelling evidences we have for the idea of returning karma, the universe is intelligent, it is a pool of mind that feels what is happening inside. I can't imagine that anything like war and famine would go unnoticed for very long and eventually I believe it will be corrected by any means necessary.

And yeah sharing is good because the more you share the more you allow to flow into you. that's what I learned over the years. I really can't help generosity because I know nothing belongs to me at all. It's all from the universe, it all belongs to the universe and I can't impede its will when it wants to get something done.

But I won't give money to bums or anything because I think they are usually being worthless and just drinking or being scumbags so I have to choose where it goes carefully because that's what being a smart Satanist is about.

Abrahadabra formula just gives and gives and gives without thought of any reqard realizing I think the person behind the mirror is the same. If we're all one being then there is no division. I mean really, literally I see myself in everyone, it's a simple perspective shift now.

Rather than the golden rule, I use the black iron rule, ie do unto others for your own benefit to improve yourself and not enable entropy and rot to overtake yourself. Allow what is rotting to finish rotting and what is old and wise and full of beauty to come out of the earth like diamonds (or something)

that is my perspective on a great many things, like Christianity vs. Sumerian religion for instance, or Lemons versus Oranges...

Make sense?

[Naomi]

I like these two quotes on sustenance:


"Who prepares for the raven its nourishment When its young cry to God And wander about without food?"

Job 38:41

"Who feeds the raven's young when the parents die? No one. They perish to feed the insects and plants"

- Naomi

[deviadah]

Really what I was going for was the fact that the people who create wars and fuck up the world are greedy - for power, oil or young boys (take your pick)!

Now is there a way to make love profitable so these fuckers can be manipulated into other business ventures?

I'm really thinking about a business idea that could be attractive since these greedy morons won't change from suggestions...

Or perhaps money and profit can never be married?

[Templa]

I'd rather go for creating a political ideology that is able to make money less important.
Sounds tough, but not as difficult as making love profitable.

[Naomi]

Yeah I think that's it really, if people are finding happiness in what they do rather than happiness in buying things they can afford through doing things that make them unhappy, then the problem is solved.

Yet take into consideration power itself is not well understand, based upon the fatally flawed notions of universe humans are cursed to carry around with them. So while power is attainable, and readily available, it is not being pursued or being understood in the correct ways at all, leading to knots in the design of civilization.

Bloodshed is not power, seduction and strength are. How do you create happiness out of greed? Revenge on the greedy, eliminate them...defense of one's children and home - greed is not that profitable for anyone but the loathesomely greedy.


Start at the center of your web and work your way out. Right now I put myself first, I'm the only one responsible for me, I make sure I have enough to live - food is a means not an end, that's what I keep telling people who eat just to eat. The human body can subsist on very little. I always remember the National Geographic specials on the Chinese farmers who eat only a bowl of rice for a meal and one or two pieces of protein with vegetable. The standards of food are nutritionally deficient where caloric levels are not high (France, for example and the croissant breakfast) or oversized in portion as they are in America. Often both. Food is wasted this way and what we are as a conglomerated organism of human ness is a devouring mass that just shits and eats and decays (Third World countries) the human race is in very poor condition right now. So I think alot of it comes down to food and breaking the food addiction, which isn't easy. We climbed to the top of this food chain by being very good at gaining nutrients and we have habits that support this.

I don't believe in going backwards - I don't think we could survive that as a species. The species is designed to upgrade not reformat. I totally believe this. I think if we have to hit the reset button so to speak, poof, that's it...nature won't try us more than once...

[Naomi]

Yeah generosity, what a joke, the whole thing is supported right at the anatomical level, there was a study which revealed recently chemicals are released when performing acts of charity that make the giver feel great.

I thought to myself, what an indicator that this behavior has the seal of approval of nature itself, and we get to watch this behavior in animals too, species not even related to one another such as the hippopotamus and turtle that were documented recently.

It's too bad I can't find the article again as it was a good one, if I stumble on it I'll try to bookmark it.

Anyways the point is, nothing is ours forever, if you've got to feel like it's yours to give away, fine, whatever makes you feel fancy, I don't think it is though, I think it all has to be given back, on loan forever from the Supreme Absolute, the sooner we accept this kind of rationale the sooner we can move on to bigger, better and more fun things, like a new playground for instance...and new toys, like spaceships and really awesome technology that makes you think faster...

[m1thr0s]

Now is there a way to make love profitable so these fuckers can be manipulated into other business ventures?who the hell knows...I kind of doubt it mostly.

But there are other money + love economics philosophies afoot already...the idea of doing what you love for instance as a prerequisite to making money. This pretty much can't even fail since even if you fail at the money you'll still be doing what you love so even if you lose you win...

and more often than not the ship does come in just because you are so powerfully motivated that it's contagious...other people pick up on the enthusiasm and eventually it all works out...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

he he he yeah

[deviadah]

I'd rather go for creating a political ideology that is able to make money less important.

I agree!

But I was just trying to think out of the box so to speak... trying to avoid thinking in utopian terms. Greedy fuckers will never give up their greed, and that is why I was thinking that perhaps it could be redirected!

:o_O:

[m1thr0s]

I have exactly no faith in political ideologies, though I agree with Templa in spirit I think. But I do not for a moment believe the answer will be found through political awareness or change. I think it's down to energy itself. What we really need is the equivalent of a nuclear human being I think...since we're thinking outside the box...fuck it...let's go all out. Show me just one human being in this world who answers to nothing but his own law on all possible energy levels and I'll show you a liberated human race thereafter...and not before.

It's a very high bar and I do not believe it has ever at any time been accomplished but for some reason I repeatedly conclude it is possible...maybe just because there are no other viable alternatives...nothing else works...nothing else has ever worked and I do not foresee any alternatives that can - and I have played out thousands of scenarios in my life trying to sort this one out.

Obviously I could be wrong...we are entering the Information Age afterall in which many of the excuses aristocracies have depended upon to justify themselves will no longer apply...and everyone will know they no longer apply...so in all fairness there could be something unexpected coming down on this basis alone. Even so...this is all a matter of technology and there will come a tremendous push to control that technology by those least qualified to be in any kind of control. I don't think we have the time required to make the transition without first passing through some kind of global holocaust. It is difficult to imagine passing through what would likely occur and have enough left to call a future.

It's down to the *godman* in my opinion...as an energy objective that can be achieved with or without the consent of the governing majority...and they will certainly not give their consent so let's not fool ourselves about this. It will have to take them completely by surprise. The idea is so damn crazy we can talk about it right in the open...hidden in plain view as they say. totally bananas...

Every man and every woman is a what - thermonuclear power plant? That would be interesting...and that would work.

m1thr0s

[Templa]

While we are talking about going "all the way"...

Make a society based upon a spiritual view that focuses on the reincarnation of the Black Flame, and create a strict caste-system where the lower castes supply the higher ones with all they need to aid them in the pursuit of self-fullfillment and apotheosis.

It's a win/win, since it's eventually going to be your turn! Reincarnation has an answer for anything.

[Naomi]

Hmm, sounds like the mistake. Hinduism also relied on this concept and that shit is a mess...

[frater luciferi]

greed is fucking juvenile imho.. some strange leftover mentality from our childhood-ie "these are all my damn toys and i need more". its the ultimate in selfishness and its too often combined with some form of social darwinism..generally people who believe that becuase they have a shit-ton more money then others people and are "Successfull" but not necessarily enlightened , feel that they have the right to treat the humble "Salt" like dirt. not that their are'nt people who are wealthy who are'nt enlightened and realize that money does'nt really buy superiority persae..

i dunno i think that the modern state of greed is always generally short-sighted and immoral..whatever the veicle to further the pursuit of greed the welfare of others is always secondary...its not a philosophy/mindstate/idiocy that i think is very beneficial to the furthering of humanity..and unfortunately the whole "profit at any cost" seems to be the motto of a lot of the modern american corporate gameplan..

im biased though because i believe in socialism..not the antiquated marxist red state kind of socialism but the left wing capitalist socialist kind that exists in a lot of countrys in western europe. within that paradigm sustanability and common respect for all classes exist..i guess that it could be called moral capitalism..

but anyways the current greed paradigm in the states has contributed to the first stages of our evironment moving towards a complete retalitory strike..and pretty soon enough their will only be "worker drones" and massa,

if you dont believe me study companies like enron..hell look at all the predatory lending places that the corporate banks are building everywhere-title loan places, payday loan places, sending credit cards to people preapproved knowing that they wont be able to afford to pay it off..and the interest they pay on it will last them til they are dead..because the banks pushed a measure to make it next to impossible to file for bankruptcy now..

its all on some assumption that profits are a good enough reason to ruin peoples lives and basically force them into debt slavery..all the while actually jobs that pay a living wage are fewer and fewer..while the rent is continually jacked up lol. .

i recommend you all watch the documentary maxxed out! its an awesome delving into how seriously evil corporate greed can be..if shit gets much worse i might just expatriate and move to canada where its a bit more sane..

[frater luciferi]

Enron - The Smartest Guys In The Room

a documentary on enron

Maxed Out

maxxed out!

The corporation

the corporation..

[Naomi]

Fascinating documentary on Enron Luciferi, my boss was an Enron shareholder, egads what an asshole....he lost about 3 million after sinking his life savings into Enron

hee hee

Probably some boddhisattva scheme/flytrap....