AF Talking Points - The Twinstar [Archive]

Naomi

03-10-2008, 02:41 PM

Introduction: The Twinstar is a geometric equation brought to light by m1thr0s (invented by geometry, discovered by m1thr0s) that relates specifically to the Abrahadabra grid by way of approximation to certain key elements. When overlayed on the Flower of Life the six points of the Twinstar and four of the six crossover points rest precisely in the center of the floral axises. When overlayed on the Abrahadabra grid it touches all three sides perfectly with each point. The Twinstar also encases two distinct pentacles. Visible are the common themes of The Phoenix, Two Dragons, The Lovers and weaponry among many other symbols. Any other details I forgot feel free to bring them up.

Main Resources:

Twinstar 001 (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar001.htm)
Twinstar 002 (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar002.htm)
Twinstar Counterclockwise (Animated) (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar.ccw.numbers.htm)
Twinstar Clockwise (Animated) (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar.cw.numbers.htm)
Twinstar Final Close (Animated) (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar.final.close.htm)
Twinstar Complete Number Method (Animated) (http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar.numbers.complete.htm)

Auxiliary:

Cellular Burn Twinstar (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=8024&postcount=36)(m1thr0s)
Silver Twinstar (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=8056&postcount=41) (m1thr0s)
Twinstar Hex (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=29720&postcount=1)(MythMath)
Water Twinstar (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=804) with FOL (m1thr0s)

"Try and try again I think...you punch enough buttons and sooner or later something's got to godamm give..."

- m1thr0s

Radiant Star

03-10-2008, 02:56 PM

Ah very cool.

I have an I Ching book here so I am off to look up those line things. Its not the favoured book but I think it is a start. Its by Alfred Huang.

Naomi

03-10-2008, 03:01 PM

Let's see I first saw the Twinstar about...hmm...6-7 years ago? Well whenever m1thr0s posted a link to his site on OF. I must have seen the Twinstar then....I remember glazing over at the first site of the complex geometric diagrams, but I bookmarked the site because it looked fancy...I visited every once in a while, still nothing clicked.

I did look at the Twinstar again more carefully in 2007. Despite having traced the pentagram, nonagram and octagram very frequently over the years it never occurred to me to trace the Twinstar, as I didn't yet realize the significance of it and tracing lines in general has never struck me as an art in itself, I was just going through the motions with no real understanding of what I was doing, except with the circle then I sort of understood I was recreating the universe...

SO then in January I did a little bit of vibration of the Abrahadabra formula using Anibis's thread. and just before Easter weekend...April 8th night, I got on the P'an Ku mirror thread and just STARED at it, trying to ellicit a response, and man did I get one.

That's when the Twinstar started interacting with me, see I wasn't really interested in it yet, but m1thr0s had a gold version in his avatar on a black background, and in the chaos of the aftermath of viewing the P'an Ku mirror it seemed like I just couldn't stop staring at this THING....the twinstar (in the avatar) there were like, a few moments where I couldn't even move at all like there was this weird mental gravity.

mental gravity, there's a cool term...

SO anyways, a couple of days later I think m1thr0s changed his avatar to the spinning gold star thing, at which point I saw it and backed up into the wall behind my computer because I thought I was hallucinating again (I never get hallucinations so the whole ordeal was just freaking me out) hahaha

After that I had to go find another Twinstar....

Ok, then....then...something weird happened, and it was with Crowley's stuff, the Book of the Law and that Egyptian goddess, Nuit. I don't know if it was her but it was the distinct impression I got, and the next morning after that I woke up and everything looked skewed...

Like you get into one of those funhouses with the weird mirrors and the optical illusion tricks? Yeah, my hallway looked like that.

:D

tbc I can't stop laughing now...

Radiant Star

03-10-2008, 03:28 PM

I first saw the Twin Star in the avatar and was not the slightest bit interested, in 2006 I went off to the Abrahadabra site and started looking at the nice pictures and patterns, because I really like that kind of thing and then I started reading bits but it didn't make sense, it was too much to take in all at once.

Not very long after that, I asked about the Twin Star and m1thr0s mentioned the wings and that is when I saw the dragon in it and of course, it was irresistible to me then, so I decided not to read any more but just to explore the Twin Star as it stood.

Exploring the Star was fun, I built a 3D version in my head and climbed and crawled around in it. I studied it and saw two skaters, the male and female or yin and yang as I heard it called and I saw the dragon and the bat and it looked wholesome to me.

Around that time and I suppose it would have been late 2006 and early into 2007, I started looking at the numbers and counting the triangles within the triangles and generally just drawing the Twin Star and adding numbers and consulting gematria and its meanings.

It had become a bit of a fixation, I kind of liked it, well I would since it had the dragon in it. It had become very meaningful for me and I knew that it was and is the map of where we are now, and where we will be as a fully developed human being in a psychological and spiritual kind of sense. I cannot explain it more than that but I knew it stood at the heart of magick and our development. It is the point of it somehow.

Soon Anibis came along and invited us to the Thoth Count Cycle and I started working with the Triangle and its inner stars and that is when it came alive for real for me. It spoke to me, it guided me, it gave me images of symbols and later it was to challenge me about some parts of my life - I do not know how or why this happened, I only know that it lives and guides and assists in many ways, maybe that is just my experience of it, maybe it will be the experience of others too, I cannot know that.

Today, the Twin Star lives in me and with me and will always be a part of me.

My next step is to learn about the associations and things written on the website to understand more, I believe I will get a lot more out of it if I do this.

Naomi

03-10-2008, 06:15 PM

That's interesting what you say about the Twinstar living inside of you, this is the weirdest part of it is that it is like something foreign that lodges inside of you and completes the human mind matrix.

I remember one time I was laying in bed and fell asleep in the sun and suddenly I wake up and get the strangest distinct feeling of a gold light tracing a twinstar inside my body in full 3D, it felt like warm oil and then I saw it too, using the inner sight. Afterwards I felt great, so I tend to think this baby manages things all on its own...

Radiant Star asked how I work with the Twinstar - actually most of the time, or half the time I just stare at it and assimilate the entire structure at once, also a practice I use on my food

I like the blue on blue Twinstar the best, I don't use any kind of rigid structure, some days I trace the lines but not always, and I don't use it everyday face to face, I only practice the P'an Ku and Nu Kua mirrors - one, or the other, nightly and often daily, I've only missed about 7 days total since June of 2007 approximately. So the Twinstar acts as more of an attack weapon and a protector for emergencies, it keeps the tree aligned and I........I....I....I don't understand it...that's about it....

:D

Now that I have a PSD I might make a new Twinstar with some interesting colors...damn I might just do that right now...

Naomi

03-10-2008, 06:52 PM

http://www.dazimua.com/images/twinstars/rahoorpakraat-ursa-star.jpg

MythMath

03-10-2008, 10:02 PM

Wonderful thread...

Beautiful image N,
(is it your work or m1's)...

I'm working on a series right now that appears eerily similar
(i.e. 3D tubular lines, spectral color gradations, star fields)...

Something's definitely in the aether...
________________

The first time I saw the TwinStar:

Two wikiclicks away from A. Crowley's page,
and wham...there it was, mocking me... :laugh:

http://www.abrahadabra.com/images/index_01.gif

I kid, but when I saw it, I immediately and instinctively
reached up, touched the screen (something I don't do)
and traced the lines with my right index finger...

I used to work a lot with Celtic knot designs, etc.
so I wanted to trace it to figure out what was what...

Since then, it has been busy revealing the simply complex
interconnections of things (time, matter, etc...) and answering
many of the questions that have long puzzled me...

The Tetractys itself may well prove to be the fundamental seed...

And if Tetractys is the noun, TwinStar is the verb... :yes:

Naomi

03-10-2008, 10:41 PM

It mocks you? How clever. It did that to me also it was very liberating.

Are you doing aether now MythMath?

The tetractys is very interesting to me now I must say, yet I don't understand how a couple of little dots could constitute the seed of all? How do you figure that one out?

MythMath

03-10-2008, 10:46 PM

Now you're mocking me... :laugh:

I guess I'll have to take your great
example and start this thread:

AF Talking Points - The Tetractys ...

Naomi

03-10-2008, 10:59 PM

Yes you should I want to hear more about this. You seem to latch onto completely different things than I do. Like today I noticed you don't investigate the same parts of the Book of Mirrors I do, I didn't even pick up the elemental symbols.

And no I am not mocking you I have good reason to believe you're doing aether.

Also: yes the twinstar is by m1thr0s he sent me a PSD because I can't draw. The background I traced over a picture of the Ursa Major constellation.

MythMath

03-10-2008, 11:09 PM

...I noticed you don't investigate the same parts of the Book of Mirrors I do, I didn't even pick up the elemental symbols.
What are you referring to here...?

Which parts do I investigate...?

Which parts do you...?

Naomi

03-10-2008, 11:21 PM

Well you know the lamps and triangles and circle thingies...

Here this:

http://www.abrahadabra.com/first.things.first.htm

I didn't even notice this until you posted those weird mirrors with the symbols like that on there.

OH

I just noticed the book is arranged by topics...well I like all of them but I think I focus on Trigrammaton the most.

MythMath

03-11-2008, 01:03 AM

The primary equilateral triangle is the
form that embodies the Tetractys...

(Simply overlap two opposing equilateral
triangles and the Tetractyl points are revealed...)

http://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/15/48/23304815.jpg

Tetractys of the Decad (wiki article) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetractys)

Tetractys of the Decad (m1thr0s article) (http://www.abrahadabra.com/tetractys001.htm)

The Tetractyl form emerges from
within the very nature of nature...

Phi ratio spirals can be seen
revealing the Tetractyl points:

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_spiralstetractys2copy.jpg

The circle in tri-fractal regeneration:

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_Roundascendingtriograms.jpg

Trigrammaton via the
Tai Hsuan Ching bigrams:

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_TernaryDecad.jpg
More here:
Fitting the LSD and THC onto the Tetractys points (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2274)

___________________________

And here's a bunch of m1thr0s quotes brutally
yanked out of context to support my position:

Pythagoras made a huge deal of the Tetractys, referring
to it as *The manifestation of God on Earth* (ie Logos)
and regarded it in the highest esteem.

It was considered to contain within itself all the mysteries
of the Universe and was the central object of worship in
Pythagoreanism generally.

Like the Tree of Life, it is a base 10 numerology that
makes the fullest possible use of 3's and 4's in particular.
It contains the entire Qabbalah of 9 Chambers within
itself and is said to be at the heart of Shemhamphorasch
and numerous other core numerological systems.

If there were no Tree of Life, the Tetractys itself would
soon enough reveal one...

Now it happens that the Tetractys of the Decad is a form
of the Lo Shu Diagram itself which, like the Lo Shu,
carries 9 "Chambers" as defined by the number of
equilateral triangles that 10 points arranged in this way
yields, which is always 9.

I suppose it doesn't hurt anything to quote the saying
"geometry tells no lies" here.

Naomi

03-11-2008, 01:24 AM

Are you going to make that Tetractys thread now? I'm still waiting!!! :D

MythMath

03-11-2008, 01:28 AM

Now I'm thinking a new thread may be redundant...?

Performing a search of the forums might
be a better route to absorbing this form...

m1thr0s

03-11-2008, 02:23 AM

http://la.gg/upl/rahoorpakraat-ursa-star.jpg
nice. the only thing I might remind people is that when you go 3D you really should observe the over-under patterns so it doesn't come off like a coat-hanger, tv antenna etc... these over-under patterns are important...there is pretty much nothing unimportant with something so *distilled* already...the slightest impurity will stand out like a sore thumb...

I don't bother with this in terms of 2D glyphs so much but leave it to the imagination to make the proper adjustments...

m1thr0s

MythMath

03-11-2008, 02:34 AM

I've found it pretty difficult to
depict the overlaps accurately...

This is correct, I assume...?

http://www.abrahadabra.com/images/index_01.gif

Why does the 7-8 path (widders) go
under the 4-5 and 5-6 paths...? (etc.)

m1thr0s

03-11-2008, 03:39 AM

It's the weave itself that matters...there really is no certain right or wrong...

People do have preferences of course and some feel very strongly that one way is correct and another incorrect etc.

I see no evidence unilaterally supporting any such arguments myself, but a uniform weave pattern in itself is a defining factor in the overall visual statement being made by the symbol. I took great pains to arrive at a weave pattern that seems to amount to the strongest consensus over time across the widest possible range of opinions on this issue and also the weave pattern is the same both left and right so this is also important...

But I do not waste inordinate amounts of time trying to assert one thing right vs another wrong. What matters most I think is that a certain organic stature is obtained through the weave that positions the symbol a certain way more suitable to magickal applications. The weave denotes a certain kind of energy interaction and that's what really makes it relevant.

Do you know any Wilhem Reich? Brilliant cat...too bad he suffered that brilliance in America...anyway, Life Force vs Electromagnetic Energies is one place much of this leads. Weave patterns denote Life Force Energy and if you take the same symbols and eliminate the weave you get something much more *electrical*, or *electromagnetic* in appearance. Reich was not unilaterally opposed to electromagnetic energy but he did warn constantly of a kind of competition between the two which is rapidly reducing Life Force Energies to almost nothing...and this concerned him. Why exactly the weave pattern denotes this is debatable...probably because plants do it is the simplest possible answer but really it puts us back at the whole *weaving* mystery in general, so I don't think the answer comes in just one form alone.

m1thr0s

Radiant Star

03-11-2008, 05:00 AM

I like the idea of putting the Twin Star on different backdrops; the astro effect is great Naomi; I wouldn't mind making one against a sun and blue sky effect though I don't have those picture making programs yet.

Naomi

03-11-2008, 04:27 PM

nice. the only thing I might remind people is that when you go 3D you really should observe the over-under patterns so it doesn't come off like a coat-hanger, tv antenna etc... these over-under patterns are important...there is pretty much nothing unimportant with something so *distilled* already...the slightest impurity will stand out like a sore thumb...

I don't bother with this in terms of 2D glyphs so much but leave it to the imagination to make the proper adjustments...

m1thr0s

Yeah that's weird I didn't notice it at first I don't know why it did that. I will have to fix it when I get home.

I tend to get some good effects if I visualize the Twinstar lines extending out into infinite space, as you mentioned sometime last year. Somewhat like that Ammit painting I did...where was it....

i did notice just a moment ago that I get a stronger buzz off the Twinstar when I focus very carefully on the lines and centering. It's not any kind of meditation designed for sloppy practice as I am wont to do, but the physical feelings from the meditation are extremely physical, I can feel a rush of *something* in my brain, whether it's a chemical stimulus, my electrical system or the scientifically undocumented energy of Ain Soph, this is not like regular meditation practice and I have been doing meditation non-stop since I was 14 officially and younger if you count parental guidance.

I've become used to the feeling now but it is not like anything else I have encountered before. It feels like I'm taking a shower except when I had shaved my head and it only kicks up in response to the mirrors, the twinstar does this thing where it feels like it's gathering up lose ends and restricting/siphoning away bad influences.

The trigger for this seems to come at the center of the twinstar when I am just viewing the converging lines wthout tracing them...it's the lamp symbol....

Naomi

03-11-2008, 09:41 PM

Well, I didn't save the PSD, so I can't fix it but I know what I did wrong now so here's a new one. I've had this image sitting in my scrap folder for a while of the reciprocal fibonacci constant WAIKAHAN painted over the twin trees mirror in trance and I thought of it immediately when I applied the colors to the twinstar over this refurbished sunset.

Jacob's spooky demonically enhanced voice comes to mind from the "See me hold my brilliant form, shining down upon ye" from whatever song (EHEIEH) borrowed from who knows where...I get so pissed off that song is so short.

These are useless to me as scrying mirrors and I'll tell you why, they're merely journalistic relays of the experience the Twinstar promises, the means to which are found in a zen copy of the living entity of the Twinstar without excessive distraction. That's just how I see things though. Symbols of illustration and storytelling, that's it....I imagine there is a good application with starmaps though which is why I traced over the Ursa Major constellation - which also illuminates that it's not a bear at all, it's a cat....

When the twinstar really gets going it's not on the screen or page anymore...and it doesn't just sit there staring at you like its dumb little sister, the pentacle.

http://www.dazimua.com/images/twinstars/lordofthehorizontwinstar.jpg

wrath.

MythMath

03-11-2008, 11:41 PM

Hail Color...! :yes:

m1thr0s

03-11-2008, 11:45 PM

Xst naomi...that's quite magnificent!

I like bright personally, at least as much as dark...

m1

Radiant Star

03-12-2008, 11:22 AM

That sun in the middle of the Twin Star is perfect in my eyes :sunny:

Naomi

03-13-2008, 04:45 PM

I have less trouble with relating to people if I think of them as archetypes...I have an archetype for practically everyone - as human beings we carry many different variations of forms yet some come forward stronger than others.

Most arn't even aware of themselves enough to move beyond good and evil, so never achieve much beyond some kind of angel or some kind of demon, which I am not really interested in, though I have my own demonic influences and angelic ones (I suppose)

Since the Twinstar reaches out of the rims of the tree of life it captures most of the big archetypes and at least brushes up against some of the greater ones, Ananta, for instance, and other important deities who don't even have names in our culture. Yet these same forms act upon our minds all the same, just as unknown planets exist and influence life on earth through meteorites and displays of cosmic theatre. The drama of a black hole attacking a galaxy, a phenomenon only viewable through masks, like Kabuki....

I think we are all miniscule projections of the huge grand design the Eastern mystics refer to as The Supreme Absolute, a radiating fractal design that moves in a synchronized whirlpool of forms and action.

Oh, M-theory.

The only profound way to be in this world is to regard all as self, then you've reached the pinnacle of truth, where self is illusion and there is nothing but everything and your perspective from the point of authority on reality.

all alone.

I'm still working on the Baphomet piece but that's what the Twinstar is telling me...I think I've met a few things outside the triangle too...indescribable.

Also, thank you for the compliments. It's a start at least...

Naomi

03-13-2008, 09:59 PM

I havn't figured this out yet so feel free to input.

Ok so I had this dream last night, some sort of weird twinstar mutation showed itself, so I thought while I was painting it may have been due to overexposure to the Twinstar with Baphomet behind it.

This is an elevated version of Baphomet, more like the Great Cosmic Space Goat of Baphomets than anything mundane or androgynous. Hence I took off its boobs and replaced it with an authentic goat penis. The rest of the feminine side is represented by the presence of space itself instead of by the boobs and stuff. this Baphomet isn't trying to tell you to go anywhere, he's at home, that's why....

Importantly, this is the Lesser Magellanic Cloud, er, instance LH-9, which is special because what you see here is a photograph of a cloud that is birthing stars and you know with an erect goat penis that's just magically symbolic....

Daksha is the father of Sati, Siva's first wife who immolated herself because Daksha wouldn't approve of her marrying such a scoundrel. Siva chopped off his head for revenge (along with the rest of the palace inhabitants) but later replaced it with a goat's head.

Not necessarily Baphomet, but an alternate view on ungulate gods in general from a dusty corner of esoterica. I also like Hathor, Yama and Cernunnos as well as Pan of course...Pan is my favorite. As a fox I have an ok relationship with them unlike wolves, who are nasty buggers and harass and eat them constantly....:laugh:

"Proceeding thus was with that head King Daksha, under the supervision of Rudra, reawakened from his apparent state of unconsciousness, upon which he the compassionate one (Siva) saw standing before him. At that time became the polluted heart of the Prajâpati from seeing him, the Lord who rides the bull, as clean as a lake [just filled by the rains] in autumn. Although decided to pray to Bhava, could it, with eyes full of tears, not be so because of the great surge of feeling upon remembering the deceased daughter. With great effort as well pacifying his, of his love and affection bewildered, mind, prayed the Prajâpati who had come to his senses to him in praise with straightforward feelings. Daksha said: 'What a great favor you did me in punishing me for the wrong I did; although you defeat, you never deny not even an unqualified brahmin. Nor from you, nor from Vishnu, my Lord, there is neglect and thus there is certainty for the one engaged in sacrifice. "

- The Srimad Bhagavatam, Canto 4, Chapter 7,
http://www.srimadbhagavatam.org/canto4/chapter5.html

<image edited out because it has bad extensions>

m1thr0s

03-13-2008, 11:21 PM

you've added something to the base of the TwinStar. What is the significance of that addition?

m1

Naomi

03-13-2008, 11:30 PM

I don't know...

m1thr0s

03-13-2008, 11:38 PM

I see. well, off hand, I don't trust it since it appears to serve no exact purpose. If it were an entirely separate construct that might be different but as it stands it just breaks rank with the TwinStar itself which is doing something at all times...is about something in every moment...it needs no extensions and in general these only serve to confuse things...

But it's your call...if you feel it has importance you will need to discover what that is. Otherwise - sooner or later will come a tug of war at that location...one I would not be banking on the TwinStar to lose since everything that makes up its character is about purpose...

m1thr0s

Naomi

03-13-2008, 11:45 PM

Well, I was trying to recreate the one I saw last night - this wasn't it, but as I was drawing I heard the Twinstar telling me to just stop what I was doing and pull the top diamond down to the bottom

I can't draw straight lines, so I just cut and pasted it on top. it is not similar to the thing I saw except it has two diamonds and two broad arrows.

I can draw the other symbol if you want to see it.

normally I wouldn't substitute anything for the plain twinstar, but I usually will listen to what they say so I left it so I could experiment and show it

it forms an extra pentacle, pentagon and the twinstar says it extends into a second triangle adjacent to us partially concealed.

whatever that means.

m1thr0s

03-14-2008, 12:01 AM

I don't know naomi. The mind plays tricks. If the TwinStar tells you to jump off a cliff I would advise you to tell it to go fuck itself...

There are many extensions...literally billions and billions of them but they are not the TwinStar itself...they are like its children, essentially...

That aside, maybe you should just follow it through and see where it may lead. Off hand, I have no idea what useful purpose it would serve...

I can draw the other symbol if you want to see it.that would probably be very helpful, yes.

m1thr0s

Naomi

03-14-2008, 12:32 AM

ok let me go get some coffee

oh something else, i think i should add wings and a some snakes to its penis

I'm trying to think for myself, really

Naomi

03-14-2008, 02:01 AM

http://www.dazimua.com/images/twinstars/baphelingdakshatwinstar.jpg

k, now for the other thing...

MythMath

03-14-2008, 02:05 AM

Oh, that's very nice... :yes:

Wallposters for the cool kids...

m1thr0s

03-14-2008, 02:06 AM

I don't know...I like all the visuals but the lines are completely out of balance...

I think I'm just going to leave this one alone for now...

The Bapho's great but he's at odds with the engine...that's pretty clear to see...time will work it out.

m1thr0s

MythMath

03-14-2008, 02:09 AM

I'm just responding to the
combination of visual elements...

Naomi, I was wondering why you
depicted the TS lines that way...

Naomi

03-14-2008, 02:15 AM

now...don't be mean I can't draw this stuff by hand

it looks a lot more symmetrical in my head

http://www.dazimua.com/images/twinstars/march13star.jpg

then it did this:

http://www.dazimua.com/images/twinstars/march13star2.jpg

than, from what i could tell it morphed into the unicursal hexagram

thanks for the feedback, this is all interesting to me

Naomi

03-14-2008, 04:21 AM

I think....what was actually occurring was a major defensive maneuver by the Twinstar itself.

Something was interrupting my session with the Twinstar and I just happened to be linked up pretty strongly to it when the invasive presence linked up to my sphere.

I was lying in bed in a deep trance, pretty much sleeping lightly in very absorbed meditation and all of a sudden I felt a distinct charge of power as the Twinstar flashed across my vision, my arms were flipped up forcefully over my head and my legs pulled up so my feet were touching. It felt like they were magnetized to pull up farther but I just remained like that as if my body was mimicking the shape of the Twinstar. There were a few moments of real heavy tension

then i saw that weird star shape morph into view and my feet were yanked up further and the Twinstar asserted itself. I think I saw the two battle together, which is a new thing for me, personally.

I think it was confronting the intruder and I just got tangled up in the astral yarn...who knows what it was though...curious onlooker, rogue archetype....unicursal hexagrams gone wild...

I never use the unicursal hexagram so it wasn't mine...no...yeah...that's exactly what it felt like, it felt like the Twinstar was shoving me backwards and covering me from some kind of attack...possible attack? Nothing gets through far enough these days for me to even tell...most of the time...

Anyways you were right about the show, m1thr0s, there's been a huge thunderstorm here for about five hours....I like the Twinstar more than ever now that I've been connecting with it for hours by painting over it.

Radiant Star

03-14-2008, 05:54 AM

The latest Baphomet / Twin Star looks out of balance to me; it seems to suggest that Baphomet has power over it and wears it like a trophy. In fact, when Baphomet was inside the triangle, that seemed more realistic somehow, I don't believe the Twin Star would allow any entity to toy with it at will; the joke is on Baphomet here.

The background of sky and star effects is beautiful though sa is Baph himself. Eminently s*xy.

Naomi

03-14-2008, 03:53 PM

http://www.dazimua.com/images/twinstars/CA-FIRESTAR.jpg

Kuroyagi

03-14-2008, 04:11 PM

^^This painting has very strong shamanic magic in it. Intense. :cool:

Kuroyagi

03-14-2008, 04:57 PM

I think that one needs to familiarize oneself with some form of "higher abstract thinking", too when dealing with the hexagramms cause neither treating them as fetishes nor applying "simple" imagination alone (both very practical etc) can fully "exhaust" the whole potentiality of them.

At least in my -admittedly- superficial experience with them...

Its like discovering that philosophy (for example) doesnt only teach you to win an argument or to seem cool (aesthetics) but should be persued for its own sake itself- to train the mind but also to acquire some higher cognition and insight out of an urge to know nature...I think that all combined should yield the best outcomes..."imagining" things that can never ever be pictured...or else ones studies could stagnate...

Naomi

03-14-2008, 07:47 PM

Cool, yeah, i like all of that Kuroyagi, I think this concept needs to be instilled more into the general public outlook on life.

Naomi

03-14-2008, 10:05 PM

When we're looking at the Twinstar we're looking at what we are supposed to become, arn't we?

That's what the P'an Ku interface device meant when it kept telling me to raise the foundation, when the foundation is raised every human will unfold properly into a Twinstar formation rather than a pentacle form.

And it's based on cooperation isn't it? The whole ability to raise the foundation depends on the twin current.

m1thr0s

03-14-2008, 11:52 PM

When we're looking at the Twinstar we're looking at what we are supposed to become, aren't we?
That's what the P'an Ku interface device meant when it kept telling me to raise the foundation, when the foundation is raised every human will unfold properly into a Twinstar formation rather than a pentacle form.With certain cautions, that's roughly correct. There is no competition between the TwinStar and Pentacle or any other symbols. The TwinStar is a symbol, yes, but more importantly it outlines a complex mathematics...illuminates a certain principle we have misapprehended and corrects this (in time). So it's not so much that we become TwinStars per se, though you could look at it this way and no harm is done necessarily...but it's more like a key to a certain lock that has eluded us for millennia. Once we master that key we will be able unlock an enormous potential, essentially dismantling all technical barriers between temporal and celestial continuum...all according to an actual technology that makes this both physically possible and analytically exact.

And it's based on cooperation isn't it? The whole ability to raise the foundation depends on the twin current.yes, well, that's where the thing gets bigger than my own poor brain can effectively manage it entirely. this system is all about synergistic relativities as demonstrated both at the level of simple plane geometry but more importantly in the interplay between Tree & Star, Binary & Ternary, Space & Time etc...pretty much any way you approach it you run smack into this synergistic phenomena and it's not just on one level or two or three...it's like it's flat out infinite...so much so that one begins to actually see how it all works...the way Mind & Matter ultimately become the exact same thing...always unique and independent, yet always cooperatively aligned...always *married*, for better or for worse, and so in that sense one and the same thing on a subatomic level...

We know these things already...or at least some of us do. But we don't really know enough of what we know to make a living at it...the TwinStar is going to change all of that...little ripples at first, but there's nothing that can stop them...well...there are things that will try...we should expect that I think...but it's already too late. This train is coming through...

m1thr0s

Naomi

03-15-2008, 01:02 AM

I know I used to think of myself as a pentacle so it's kind of a joke....I have fun with my symbols you know...

this is sooo interesting m1thr0s, I'm learning alot

I think I'm getting a little high off of it. my cat sure likes it...I've seen the grid do stuff like cause animals to come up and talk to me and perform weird little tricks when I'm well connected if I think about them doing some things, so it's sort of a hint at what's to come.

I like to think it's not nearly as melodramatic as Hollywood paints it, but there's going to have to be some changes to ethical behavior for one thing, to gain access to this system. I want humans to succeed but they're pushing the limits so hard of the ecosystem and of mind itself - mind in the sense of the great mother - the abyss. Ningishzidda says to me that the world has to accept every form of creature to ascend further up the chain of command. What I mean is b the symbol with the gryphons and serpents. When you look at history, and how far humankind has come, it's clear that the amalgam of creature forms as engraved on that ancient cup was a concept far more breakthrough than we may lend thought to in this day and age - where such ideas of the union of opposites - ie birds and cats in the gryphons, is quite commonplace.

Yet even though it's spoken of in a very ancient symbolic language. There isn't really much of a difference in the pool of pure mind between the Ningishzidda gryphons and the Taijitu. SO I can see that the serpent element is a very close approximation to the Jen element as you described earlier in the other thread (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2340).

m1thr0s

03-15-2008, 01:15 AM

Yet even though it's spoken of in a very ancient symbolic language. There isn't really much of a difference in the pool of pure mind between the Ningishzidda gryphons and the Taijitu. SO I can see that the serpent element is a very close approximation to the Jen element as you described earlier in the other thread (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2340).right...and even Hadit alludes to this serpent symbolism defining himself etc so it shows up there as well...but I don't trust the character speaking in that document for a moment...there's something fowl running through that text, even though a great deal of it is speaking important truth...

you are aware for instance that the *Hadith* is one of the most important religious texts among Muslims? Penned by Mohammed himself...it's like their rulebook or whatever...the whole concept makes me want to wretch...but Crowley was locked into this whole fantasy routine regarding Arabic standards of machismo etc so I believe something rotten crept in right there...right where his defenses were the weakest.

And it's not just that...there's a whole chain of things that don't add up but we should reserve that for another day...The good news is, we don't need any stinking Hadit to slam this pedal to the floor.

edit: you're good at visualizing naomi...let me recommend an interesting visualization to you. Picture in your mind the sound of a big gun being cocked just prior to the first words spoken in Liber Al vel Legis - as if some higher (and arguably angry) power were forcing the entire event...one that perhaps was slated to have gone down maybe 1000 years ago but somehow slipped through the cracks...

just an excercise in balanced equilibrium but it's a very catchy little visualization...once you've run it a few times you might just get hooked...I honor truth where I find it...doesn't mean I necessarily honor its source...cover story...whatever...

m1thr0s

Naomi

03-15-2008, 10:36 AM

LOL that's funny! yeah, it all makes sense now....I'd like to compare notes later in another thread

m1thr0s

03-15-2008, 02:22 PM

it doesn't prove anything of course...it's just very curious how much sense it seems to make and how many little incongruities suddenly all come into perfect focus...My money is still on Ng...I can very easily see him pulling that kind of move...impeccable shadow-master...and it's ultimately his own seed that will both recognize and make it all go anyway...it's his engine as far as I can tell.

m1

Naomi

03-15-2008, 05:50 PM

yeah I'm pretty sure it's his car as well

but you know, whatever, what are you going to do, tell people it's a bogus book that has to be carefully dissected and pieced back together with extreme care? I think it's probably going to be some time before people catch on to that fact at all. Or never.

Ningishzidda has his own ideas about how to run government, that's for sure.....I don't think I would want to fuck with him, isn't he like listed as chief of Hell's secret police?

m1thr0s

03-15-2008, 06:21 PM

but you know, whatever, what are you going to do, tell people it's a bogus book that has to be carefully dissected and pieced back together with extreme care? I think it's probably going to be some time before people catch on to that fact at all. Or never.well ai wass thinking of telling them that but you're probably right... :cool:

kinda too bad though...such a great story...

m1

Naomi

03-15-2008, 06:44 PM

Great well I don't care as long as Yaweh's Death from Above campaign gets replaced with Ningishzidda's Sex from Above campaign

Could probably do it visually/comic book style though, you could even have a little prologue in the beginning describing the whole scene and how it really happened...

m1thr0s

03-15-2008, 10:07 PM

yeah...this is all good stuff but probably should be exported to another thread. One of the things we find occurring with the superimposition method of the TwinStar over classical archetypes is a very high-powered magnification of those archetypes as they relate to the here-and-now. This is almost always disruptive to one extent or another since - as we have often hit upon in other topics - things that cannot keep pace with evolution itself pretty much have only two options, they can mutate or they can die on the vine. If they can't keep up, they might as well check out and get the hell out of the way. The TwinStar has a way of expediting those changes. Abrahadabra itself shares this acceleration feature in its own right as well, since we are really just talking about slightly different slants on the same essential model.

I don't know of any other sigils that have this ability even at the symbolic level. I can only guess that a large part of the reason for this is that the TwinStar is an archetypal standard in its own right and therefor sets a pace that some things can and some things cannot keep up with. I think it's embedded at the subconscious level, frankly...I've been studying this phenomena for some years now and that still seems to be the case, as near as I can make it out. Whether genetic or cognitive or both (or neither) I am still not entirely certain. The TwinStar itself would seem to be a product of evolution in certain respects, if you know anything about the laws of entropy and how these play out in the evolution of knowledge. In brief this means that the further down the line we get the less resources we tend to have per person so that we wind up making up the difference in increased efficiency. The TwinStar is an efficiency devise almost before anything else...when we train it on the Tree of Life it immediately sets about increasing efficiency...no matter where we train it it seems to do approximately the same sort of thing...it hacks and trims and rewires and tweaks things to meet a much higher level of energy efficiency so that things which could function effectively at say 5-50 watts, can now withstand 5-50 million...it's just something it seems to do intrinsically.

m1thr0s

Naomi

03-15-2008, 10:45 PM

What background should I try next with the Twinstar? I gotta paint anyways so it's a good exercise.

As for the issue of the Twinstar making changes to bio hardware, absolutely, it does a fantastic job, and very gently too, nothing like the outdated exorcisms and psychological abuse one endures with normal treatments of mind. I still don't know exactly what I'm dealing with in regards to the Twinstar but it does feel good and it's always making noticeable improvements, I can't find any fault with it so I guess it's about as safe as can be for starters, and of course, tremendously powerful in comparison to the milquetoast kind of magick I was sifting through before.

And oh god you know me, I love power....

m1thr0s

03-21-2008, 03:00 AM

What background should I try next with the Twinstar? I gotta paint anyways so it's a good exercise.I don't micro-manage artistic tasks because I simply have no way to know. *follow the intimations from fate* is what the I Ching typically advises...even if I knew I wouldn't go there unless it were urgent. The whole relationship between your own best judgment and whatever level of dialog you have working with the system as a whole is simply too important to screw around with...

In a more specific scholastic environment where we might be attacking specific course material...that would of course be a different thing. But as to random intuitive/creative processes...I don't touch that stuff on a bet...take your best shot I think.

m1

MythMath

03-21-2008, 03:04 AM

I'll only add:

Take your shot, then post it...

It seems like things usually get a fairly accurate
thumbs-up or -down from the peanut gallery...

m1thr0s

03-21-2008, 03:14 AM

lol...yeah...good point.

all your die-hard gamblers say the next best thing to playing the game and winning is playing the game and losing...

when you finally come to believe that there will be nothing left to worry about really...problems, complications, barriers...just more fuel to the fire...

m1

Naomi

03-21-2008, 08:13 PM

You know, in the 72 Goetia there is a sort of response you can get where the dem goes for a joy ride and does some weird shit to you that isn't so good. You can get locked into self destructive patterns or even do violent things you don't remember or at least have no control over. The Twinstar was doing the same thing to me but it was going through this agenda m1thr0s speaks of, of causing transcendence through various means. It was working on my emotional and sociological messes to ascend. Although I kept falling because of these errors it kept working me through them in the strangest ways. I was aware of what needed to be done but I couldn't get past barriers to godhood until the Twinstar was showing me the way to do it. It was great. Imagine accomplishing what you have set out to become within the course of a few days, and then continuing on forever with nothing between you and the stars except the course set out perfectly That is the twinstar.

The demons are represented by sigils. The Twinstar was doing some really strange things, I think I was agreeable because it was fun. If it were anyone else I think they would have banished and killed the connection. I think the Twinstar isn't going to extend itself unless you're going to meet it halfway because it can't afford to pick you up if you're going to be stubborn. So you have to let go of your fear.

So getting back to the relationship between triangle, Twinstar and tree. The triangle was saying just a few things to me, and another thing - it's very mercurial. The twinstar encompasses al kinds of bird/winged archetypes. Te spirals of the coils of the serpent on the ng symbol bring to mind the rippled extensions of the circle emerging from the midst of the triangle where creation of new universe is on the horizon - Ptah for sure, he drops the seed of becoming in the primeval waters to produce the next universe ina fractal ever expanding pattern. Then the process occurs over and over again like the spiralling snakes spiral higher.

I think that the Twinstar is going to communicate with you on a basis of what you can handle. As you let go of fear and inhibition it's going to just become more potent. I mean, i am pretty good at doing what I do - ie letting go. But even the TS could find these sections of my mind where I had fucked up conceptions of reality based on my sociological programming. It can work through that as well. SO in a way it's a psychologist, teacher and communications specialist all in one. I think it is pretty much the swiss army knife of occultism now.

People who know me from occultforums as LadyHydralisk need to fucking pay attention to what I am saying here, because it is very important. You are not going to find the next big thing until you work through what is being offered here right now. If you can master the twinstar you can master everything else. I am not spending my fucking life focused intensely on the Abrahadabra system because I like the pictures. I am here for only one thing and one thing only -power, and more of it...as much as I can get. If you like that then you should pay attention right now. :msmile:

(sorry about that, pm box stuff and so on)

Naomi

03-29-2008, 04:50 PM

This is something I threw together this morning. I wanted to depict Durga. Durga has the position of the top goddess in the religious beliefs of Hinduism. She is created from the combined powers of Brahma, Siva and Vishnu. She destroys the bull headed demon while riding on a lion. She depicts herself with pink and gold attire when I call her on the phone. Kali is said to arise from her third eye.

Now, she says "I will obey your triangle because I like how it looks and you have a nice design here. but no cage can hold me so I will have to pretend I'm trapped, that way I will seem more appealing." then she goes on to say "The first spirit is Durga she is a mighty empress being of the same nature as Shakti. She is verie obediant unto Ningishzidda hee hee hee hee her office is YOUR MOM."

http://www.dazimua.com/images/twinstars/durgatwinstar.jpg