The Myth of the Too Emotional Woman

[Naomi]

"Those with a hankering for this ubiquitous myth contend that a woman is poorly suited for positions of significant responsibility (power) because she will panic under pressure (and therefore cannot be counted on in a crisis), will crumble or explode if criticized, cannot stomach confrontation, and generally allows her heart to overrules her head. The old logic is inescapable. To hold on to her career she must exercise judicious control over her nine-to-five emotions (to do less of course, would be reacting like a woman instead of thinking like a man).

But the office has always been emotional territory. Giving men the same go-ahead to rant and rave doesn't guarantee women the same privilege: the woman who shows anger or admits she has career plans is scorned -- a barracuda, something predatory, with teeth.

Emotional Management Works. When learning the ropes of corporate politics, maintaining professional reserve and keeping a lid on one's emotional life may be well-spoken advice. But when the issue is productivity, distinguished performance, and extraordinary leadership, the operative words are ownership, commitment and caring -- conspicuous in all corners of exceptional organizations, sadly lacking in the also-rans, and emotional as all get-out.

Traditionally, women employees have been regarded as the keepers of emotional flame in their companies. When found in men, that emotionalism is often respected as company spirit, but in women it's a sign of weakness. It's still the department secretaries who make sure birthday cards go out, one of the few approved emotional expressions for many working women. At the same time, what might be the assertive expression of frustration with friends doesn't translate as such in the office. The secretary who complains to her associate that "I can't stand it when Ms. Jones gives incomplete directions," or "It drives me crazy when Mr. Thompson wants me to tell callers he isn't in the office when he is," is clearly communicating her frustration, but such commonplace expressions only diminish her effectiveness. When an emotional response is sparked by impatience, for example, it is usually read as weakness, not strength --- both in women and men.

But when emotion accompanies strength --- rallying support to meet a deadline; expressing clear, firm support for a desired change; mobilizing a group to improve its work performance -- the emotional component is not only helpful, it is essential.

The irony of course, is that this new approach depends on the same characteristics that women have been advised to abandon for the sake of their careers. Look at the people who have built great businesses during the last couple of decades; they're overtly emotional. They care about these businesses of theirs, and they emphatically do not owe their success to a cool, numbers-only rationality. Think of Anita Roddick, who could not have launched The Body Shop and made it thrive over two decades unless she hustled like crazy chasing her goal and refused to stop until she had mowed down every barrier in her way. Ditto Bill Gates at Microsoft and Carly Fiorina at Hewlett-Packard. The truth is that analytical prowess is never enough; it takes real passion to build a business, as every entrepreneur knows."

- The Mythology of the Working Woman, from The Assertive Woman by Stanlee Phelps and Nancy Austin

[Deimos]

No offense but I think this is a load of stinky brown stuff. If women weren't too emotional then most women I talked to would at least factor in logic or evidence when forming a political opinion. Have you ever tried talking about politics with a woman? No matter what evidence you provide or what the reality of the situation is, almost without fail the woman will go with her emotions by choosing what "feels right" or just choosing the person she thinks is more likable or popular than the other.

As it is, it appears that women's decision making processes rely heavily on emotion or at least far more heavily than the average man's decision making process.

[Naomi]

I think women are more psychic too.

I was dropping off one of my guy aquaintances at a Porsche mechanic and I got this real bad feeling suddenly and because the mechanic wasn't open I had the guy I was with pull around and I shouted to him "Are you sure you're going to be ok?" and he said "Yeah I'm fine" so we drive off and I keep saying, "Wow I just got a really bad feeling about that car" and so we leave and later we learn the engine just fucking blew up about five feet from attempting to drive off, he had to walk all the way home. lol

SO later (the porsche owner) he tells me "Never ignore a women's intuition!" and I think that's about right...

Women in evolution have had to rely more on their flight abilities and caution than brawn and so if there is such a thing as psychic prediction using quantum physics, nature, if not human scientists would have access to this at all times and the evolution would dictate that women would have a natural prediliction for psychic response.

Anyways your views are disgusting Deimos but I won't hold it against you too much, since you're young and havn't yet gotten the hang of viewing things from another person's moccasins. I have to deal with sexism every godamned day and the only relief I have from it is the fact that I'm old enough now not to be looked down on for being a highschool student or anything like that.

The only advantage one has as a women is tremendous sexual appeal which is present in perhaps 10% of all females and I have access too, but even this is not enough to cover the sheer bullshit I have to face based on my gender.

I hate it so fucking much you don't even know...the point of the article if you examine it more closely is that emotional response is not a negative at all, it was the driving force behind many successful female and male corporate entities.

[Deimos]

My views may be disgusting to you but it doesn't change the most women tend to be very emotion when they come to a decision, politics being the most obvious example. Frankly, if you can say that women have many examples of how they are superior in mental function to men and not be called sexist, I think I am just as capable of saying that there are also ways in which women exhibit problematic mental behavior as compared to men as well( or else worded different that there are ways in which men are mentally superior to women) without raising cries of sexism.

[Naomi]

You didn't find it disgusting that I suggested you were too young to understand this sort of thing? Ageism is one instance where you can sort of feel what sexism feels like to women. What do you think of it? Is it unfair? Of course it is. Largely it's not true either. Ageism is also something that should make you mad, if it doesn't, you're not paying attention. The presidency is one absurd example of ageism. If we didn't have so many godamned good old boys in the White House, maybe we wouldn't be having, I don't know, good old boys in the White House bombing countries for profit. Kennedy - one of our youngest presidents was shot for his forward thinking ideas. Obama is spoken of as being the next JFK. I think he has a good chance in office and I want him to win, not based on how he makes me feel sexually or emotionally either. I looked into all the facts and figures that makes up his campaign and found them to be pretty reasonable. SO of course I find it abhorrent that you would conclude I was basing my vote on emotion.

Emotions are based on logical fact finding on a different level than what a non-emotional person is capable of. Emotions are difficult to control for anyone, regardless of sex. Women are also abused moreso than men (also statistical) this leads to problematic emotional development over time where most sexual abuse is not reported and subtler emotional abuse can go unchecked forever and is never addressed because it is so subtle and insidious. Beauty contests for instance, are female only. They are the most rediculous parade of cows I have ever seen in my life. Equally retarded? Women's basketball. Height restrictions should be put in place so that co-ed basketball is the norm, not the exception.

The sex of females is the driving force behind the emotional growth of women taking a turn for the worse. We are discriminated against constantly from birth to adulthood and it never stops, I think men would be pretty emotional about that too if they could go through it. We are generally ignored, and when we're not being ignored we're being noticed only because of our sexuality, which we learn to utilize at a very very young age to get what we want - a source of catty competition driving a wedge between all females. There is no female to female camraderie as there is in the male world.

I think the basis of emotions being polarized to the point of where men are encouraged to channel their emotions into anger and explosive behavior via stuffing their emotional responses inside, and women are expected to be emotional wrecks who cry at the drop of the hat are stereotypes encouraged and brought about by society and not based at the genetic level at all.

However, on the one hand while both are being addressed - women are now in America encouraged to be more aggressive and strong, and men are encouraged to get in touch with their feelings, we're still not sharing the business side of things fairly.

Fact is if you're a corporate executive making a six figure salary, you're still going to be making less than your male counterpart and be working harder, this is revealed statistically. Where women actually win they are seen as the workhorses of society who will try harder just to make ends meet or prove she can do it like a man. This is completely fucked up. Then there's the whole issue of child rearing which is not accurately looked at by society as a profession in itself nor does society support children enough. Look at all the moms forced to work instead of being there for the child for the first four years of life. Talk about a societal disaster - well, my generation suffered the consequences of this, exactly. a whole generation of latchkey kids who becae cut off from society and generated a whole trend of teenage mutants who couldn't relate to society because they were so angry at what society had done to them. Maybe that's a good thing, no? Then again, these male children go on to pin the blame on their mothers instead of a fucked up society that forces women to work just to achieve the middle class. It perpetuates misogynism on all kinds of levels.

In the workforce women tend to be equal to men, Deimos. This may not be true everywhere but it is at least true in the corporate world. I have watched both men and women at the workforce in offices and I do notice men get more sympathy for "emotional" needs and women are usually scorned for being emotional. They keep a lid on their emotions way more than men do. Of course that's to be expected, since they are scrutinized much harder than men. A woman in the corporate world cannot have a bad day, thanks to people, like yourself, who already have a presupposed notion of what women are like.

But you know, thanks for reaffirming that this stereotype is alive and well....it's always a good reminder for me to watch my back. My life sucks basically, men can't live without us right, but they can't treat us fairly or anything like that. What a joke. I think I should probably have become a lesbian when I had the chance...at least they know how to get stuff done in this world and don't backstab like heterosexual women. Even if they are staring at my ass.

[Deimos]

Men and women have brains that are wired differently and different natural hormone profiles. They will be and are naturally different and emotion is one such case where this is true. That's not a stereotype.

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/discoveries/2006-08-21-female-brain_x.htm
http://www.columbusdispatch.com/live/contentbe/dispatch/2006/01/29/20060129-H4-00.html


Karl Marx is dead and unlike things are not the same. I'm not going to ignore the facts just because they don't support your philosophies.

[Naomi]

Treating women as inferior because they are "wired differently" is not right, Deimos. If you cannot see what I am arguing against here then you should probably just shut up. I agree males and females are very different in physical ways. That is totally obvious. Taking away someone's livelihood in any way constitutes a threat to one's life. I take that very seriously and there is nothing I can do to stop from being a woman short froma sex change.

(and I like being a woman so there)

[Deimos]

Treating women as inferior because they are "wired differently" is not right, Deimos. If you cannot see what I am arguing against here then you should probably just shut up. I agree males and females are very different in physical ways. That is totally obvious. Taking away someone's livelihood in any way constitutes a threat to one's life. I take that very seriously and there is nothing I can do to stop from being a woman short froma sex change.

(and I like being a woman so there)


I didn't say women were inferior, just that men were better at being analytic and women were in fact more emotional than men. If there's any systematic gender oppression going on maybe women should digging their corporate high heels into men's balls and look in the mirror sometime to see it?

[Naomi]

Well look, the first thing you say about women is something negative - how they are irrational about elections, for instance. It seems to me men rarely have anything nice to say about women, and yet they can't seem to live without us. How is this fair? I think it's a bunch of bullshit.

So prove to me how exactly your generalizations apply at all to me. They don't. I am sick of being victimized by men's opinions of other women.

[Deimos]

Well look, the first thing you say about women is something negative - how they are irrational about elections, for instance. It seems to me men rarely have anything nice to say about women, and yet they can't seem to live without us. How is this fair? I think it's a bunch of bullshit.

So prove to me how exactly your generalizations apply at all to me. They don't. I am sick of being victimized by men's opinions of other women.


Well for starters, you're being very emotional at this point in time as you have been since I disagreed with the opening post and the thread's general premise. Instead of citing sources and evidence to support your position you went on a tirade about how all men were sexist and how that made you feel.

Men aren't verbal as women are. You have to just trust that we love and admire you without telling you so or expressing it verbally all the time.

[Naomi]

There's no way to tell I'm being "very emotional" what the fuck does that even mean anyways? If I get passionate about something, you'll know, because I'll either be very very quiet and won't talk to you at all while I'm absorbed in the mental fantasy of stabbing you in the head or i'll be trying to get you in bed with me. Neither of those are occurring right now - this is just how I express myself. Your judgement is poor.

The majority of men ARE sexist, and there is much evidence to support this. Evidence that backs the fact that women are abused and trodden upon in this world and there's no "trust" involved that has not already been betrayed. These are facts laid out very clearly for anyone to see, I cannot believe I have to go to google and do this for you Deimos. -

http://www.endabuse.org/resources/facts/

Estimates range from 960,000 incidents of violence against a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or girlfriend per year1 to three million women who are physically abused by their husband or boyfriend per year.2
Around the world, at least one in every three women has been beaten, coerced into sex or otherwise abused during her lifetime.3
Nearly one-third of American women (31 percent) report being physically or sexually abused by a husband or boyfriend at some point in their lives, according to a 1998 Commonwealth Fund survey.4
Nearly 25 percent of American women report being raped and/or physically assaulted by a current or former spouse, cohabiting partner, or date at some time in their lifetime, according to the National Violence Against Women Survey, conducted from November 1995 to May 1996.5
Thirty percent of Americans say they know a woman who has been physically abused by her husband or boyfriend in the past year.6
In the year 2001, more than half a million American women (588,490 women) were victims of nonfatal violence committed by an intimate partner.7
Intimate partner violence is primarily a crime against women. In 2001, women accounted for 85 percent of the victims of intimate partner violence (588,490 total) and men accounted for approximately 15 percent of the victims (103,220 total).8
While women are less likely than men to be victims of violent crimes overall, women are five to eight times more likely than men to be victimized by an intimate partner.9
In 2001, intimate partner violence made up 20 percent of violent crime against women. The same year, intimate partners committed three percent of all violent crime against men.10
As many as 324,000 women each year experience intimate partner violence during their pregnancy.11
Women of all races are about equally vulnerable to violence by an intimate.12
Male violence against women does much more damage than female violence against men; women are much more likely to be injured than men.13
The most rapid growth in domestic relations caseloads is occurring in domestic violence filings. Between 1993 and 1995, 18 of 32 states with three year filing figures reported an increase of 20 percent or more.14
Women are seven to 14 times more likely than men to report suffering severe physical assaults from an intimate partner.15Women in the professional fields:

"During the period from 1985-1986, one out of every four U.S. women earned less than $10,000 a year (Rhoodie 259)--which is a less than adequate "living wage" for single mothers and divorced women with custodial children. For those women who do pursue a career and hold a university degree, that degree confers no advantage in the job market. "

"only forty women have served on the highest court of thirty states and the District of Columbia and only five have presided over their state's court as chief justice (Baer 270) and only 5.4 percent of all federal judges were women at the time of Sandra Day O'Connor's appointment (Rhoodie 32). Because influential women within the hierarchy of the legal profession are such a minority, it is harder for their point of view to come across in the shaping of state and federal statutes that affect their social and personal lives. "

http://feminism.eserver.org/the-glass-ceiling.txt

Baer, Judith A. Women's Rights in the U.S.A.: Policy Debates and Gender Roles. Pacific Grove: Brooks/Cole Publishing Company, 1991.
DeCrow, Karen. Sexist Justice. New York: Random House, 1974.
Hoff, Joan. Law, Gender and Injustice: A Legal History of U.S. Women. New York: New York University Press, 1991.
Kanowitz, Leo. Equal Rights: The Male Stake. Albuquerque: University of New Mexico Press, 1981.
Mezey, Susan Gluck. In Pursuit of Equality: Women, Public Policy, and the Federal Courts. New York: St Martin's Press, 1992.
Rhoodie, Eschel M. Discrimination Against Women: A global Survey of the Economic, Educational, Social, and Political Status of Women. Jefferson: Mc Farland and Company, Inc., 1989.
Woolf, Virginia. A Room of One's Own. New York: Harcourt, Brace and Company, 1929.

Men aren't verbal as women are. You have to just trust that we love and admire you without telling you so or expressing it verbally all the time.

By the way, this doesn't fucking mean anything to me, either. I find it incredibly strange when people tell me this because I never expect anyone to give me compliments or whatever - I don't need them. I never fucking needed anyone to tell me I was good enough or loved, so the whole argument is simply more of this condescending stereotypical bs I was born into, I didn't ask for it.

So yeah you can take your love and admiration crap and go show women they are loved and admired by doing something about it.

[Deimos]

Domestic abuse is a severe crime and one of the more horrible crimes anyone can face because of the lasting emotional damage, if not lasting physical. It is not, however, a sign of systematic male oppression of women, just short-temperedness and a natural male tendency to act instead of being verbal. I don't think I posted the link because it didn't list any sources but there as a fascinating piece by a woman about how high emotions are physically dangerous to mens' health and how that triggers an unconscious "flight or fight" response.

Regarding the wage gap: http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/Story?id=797045&page=3

Maybe you need a support group instead of a feminist battlecry? I know women who were battered and abused by their boyfriends. If you don't think that I've dreamed of killing the men who did that to my friend(and first love, but don't tell her because I was too shy to tell her when I knew her) every since and would take the first chance to do so then then you don't know ANYTHING about what men are like.

[Naomi]

WAIT, you're EXCUSING misogyny on the basis of natural masculinity?!?!?!?

Support group?!!?!?! Hang on let me get Ng on the phone - He says you're a seriously confused young man with no intellectual reasoning whatsoever and this is ok, he thinks humans are born this way.

Misogyny is not masculinity. period, end of story, no return flight from shanghai...

[Deimos]

No, I am NOT excusing it. Men who mistreat women should be shot. Unfortunately, it happens and I only tried to explain that is why it happens more by men than by women. I thought I made it clear that it was nothing that a real man would tolerate, excuse, or ever forget.

As it stands, men still make up 40-50 percent of the victims of domestic abuse so it's not like men have the monopoly about being dickheads or abusive.

I know you've been in an abusive relationship so when the first thing you post is about how men are evil because some abuse women it doesn't do much to dispel the idea that you're being emotional. I'm sorry but I just don't think you're being objective.

WAIT, you're EXCUSING misogyny on the basis of natural masculinity?!?!?!?

Support group?!!?!?! Hang on let me get Ng on the phone - He says you're a seriously confused young man with no intellectual reasoning whatsoever and this is ok, he thinks humans are born this way.

Misogyny is not masculinity. period, end of story, no return flight from shanghai...

[Naomi]

Abusive relationships, Deimos, like i said I have been putting up with this crap since I was very very young. I never said men were evil, you need to watch where you throw around verbage like that because it perpetuates the idea that I am somehow attacking men in general. What I am attacking is sociological constructs, specifically these ones that threaten my livelihood.

The sociological structure in Satanism, for instance, is quite different, men and women in Satanism are treated more equally and appreciate each other more than in any other philosophy or religion in the world that I have experienced. I love Satanic society, what few pockets of it I can find. I feel free there.

My objectivity is based on a lifetime of being a women and experiencing what it's like int he corporate and domestic worlds. My perspective comes from firsthand experience, and yours seems to come from...?

There's nothing wrong with being emotional Deimos, it seems to be the first clue you're lacking here...so let me key you in. To reiterate:


Look at the people who have built great businesses during the last couple of decades; they're overtly emotional. They care about these businesses of theirs, and they emphatically do not owe their success to a cool, numbers-only rationality. Think of Anita Roddick, who could not have launched The Body Shop and made it thrive over two decades unless she hustled like crazy chasing her goal and refused to stop until she had mowed down every barrier in her way. Ditto Bill Gates at Microsoft and Carly Fiorina at Hewlett-Packard. The truth is that analytical prowess is never enough; it takes real passion to build a business, as every entrepreneur knows."

[Deimos]

My perspective comes from a lifetime of being a man hearing the anti-male bias of feminists and having taken psychology and finding it to be a load of crap from people who want preferential treatment and who will invent bigotry-fueled inequalities when they don't exist. I grew up with the required reading in school preaching that women were braver, smarter, and more moral than men.

If you think women have it bad, just think about the crap men have to deal with from women. How's this for a sociological construct?

http://www.umich.edu/~mrev/archives/2000/09-27-00/men.html (http://www.umich.edu/%7Emrev/archives/2000/09-27-00/men.html)
http://christianparty.net/antimale.htm
http://www.jewishworldreview.com/cols/leo072500.asp (http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/l/l-misc/leo090402.htm)


How does Satanism contribute to society in ways that make it a reasonable example of how society should be? If anything, Satanic society is entirely anti-social!

Women really don't have the short end of the stick(and no I'm not suggesting that this is become men are beating them with the bigger side).

[Naomi]

The curious thing with this whole situation is, I think men would be much less abusive as a whole if they were simply allowed to cover emotional ground when they are young. Alot of the explosive tempers I have seen in males seems to stem from the fact that at a very young age they are encouraged or even forced to suppress their emotions, thus it only escapes in very destructive patterns of emotion - no one is unemotional, not for a second. Only robots are capable of this. Control over the emotions is much different than the idea of "Don't cry, you're a man" or so on...

Anyways I've learned not to trust my gut instincts at all times. Reactions to phenomenon are often hard coded into our DNA and right now humans can't afford to trust their judgements because we're so polluted with social conditioning and it's killing us - it's killing the enviroment on the planet we live on. I was very careful when I was a teenager trying to avoid all of the pitfalls women fall into in going with abusive males. I had to be extra cautious because I was one of the many girls who faced emotional and physical abuse at the hands of males during childhood, so I was aware I would be prone to choosing difficult relationships. Unfortunately I think I ended up screwing myself over by actually picking the right kind of male but the wrong kind of position in the relationship. It's such a complex equation I don't want to go into it now.

One way to look at this is from the perspective of social movements. For instance take the emo crowd. I became aware of them first through the gothic subculture because they have similar ideals - goths are obsessed with death and vampires, emos are just depressed and focused on their emotions which can be addictive.

What I try to see in these movements is the underlying cause - nature itself is at work here and I think the real solution to all of these problems is embracing the emotional nature in such a way that creates a positive outlook. From what I can tell emos are pretty much unhappy with the world because they choose to feel it, to see what is going on in the world and not to shut it out like most people do. The only natural reaction is sadness. In the same way that the gothic movement addresses death and the occult, and the reintegration of darkness into the human psyche, emos represent sort of a reassertion of the same general feel good helpful and giving nature that the hippy generation was going to bring about in this world. If you look at these trends on the outskirts of human civilization you can sort of gauge where nature itself is going to either make or break humanity.

Of course this asserts an intelligent design at work of some kind, and not merely evolution, but it's not difficult to see once you take up some of the investigations of the Abrahadabra formula for instance.

Anyways the reason I am a Satanist is because when I am in that arena it feels less like "us vs them" with males and more like "humans suck, lets all be intelligent and plot a way to bring the end to civilization as it stands" so it's very cool....I would like to drop the whole chauvinistic thing on both sides, I am not exactly a male hater, but I do strike injustice where I see it...I struggled with these emotions very early on, I could see, for instance, that my stance towards males was wrong, and I felt extremely powerless because the problem was so complex.

On the one hand I knew I was being treated unfairly. At a young age I was aware of the extreme injustice in the world towards children and especially to, yes, women. I know it sounds like one of the feminist tirades but let me go on. To be a considerate feminist means to guard the domain of women and at the same time, do the same for men. I don't agree, for instance, with the practice of stealing a guy's kids from him and then taking his money and living the high life. I don't agree that women are suddenly owed something if they get pregnant through a mutual relationship. I think it's much more difficult for the female - having kids is so stressful to our bodies it knocks off a few years of our lives in fact, and in the past you were very likely to die.

The real tragedy is women are naturally inclined to be submissive in a race where being submissive is often a death sentence. Women simply cannot afford to let men walk all over them, she cannot allow herself to behave naturally or she is going to fucking die. That's the conclusion I came to at some point in the past, and since then I have always carefully guarded my femininity and not allowed myself to be taken advantage of or even be percieved as feminine because I know that it's a dog eat dog world, man...But you know I can be cute and sweet and innocent in private so it's ok. It's been ok but it took a lot of work.

Here's a great passage from Anais Nin, I know exactly where she is coming from here. It's underlying the whole submission complex conundrum women have to control if they want to just get on with their lives and live to see tomorrow in a way that leaves them with any kind of power:

"I do not want to be the leader. I refuse to be the leader. I want to live darkly and richly in my femaleness. I want a man lying over me, always over me. His will, his pleasure, his desire, his life, his work, his sexuality the touchstone, the command, my pivot. I don’t mind working, holding my ground intellectually, artistically; but as a woman, oh, God, as a woman I want to be dominated. I don’t mind being told to stand on my own feet, not to cling, be all that I am capable of doing, but I am going to be pursued, fucked, possessed by the will of a male at his time, his bidding."

It was around 1995 when I was reading the Kinsey report on sexuality that it suddenly dawned on me that women are really sort of backed into a corner on earth here so in fact I became a little indignant about it and it took me a while to be able to you know, come to terms with my will to survive and my will to hang on to my girly side...it's very tough. Nature is going to fuck humanity over if the destruction doesn't stop.

[Deimos]

Getting in touch with our feelings? If men are neurologically less emotional then how are we not in touch with our feelings when we're only being as emotional as we really are? I mean, for goodness sakes, my dad's a flower power momma's boy who talks about pacifism and being in touch with one's feelings but he rarely expresses emotion just because he doesn't feel it in the same degree or in the same way as women feel emotions. This is the same man who accused me of trying to "suppress emotion" when I was a young boy when I never did any such thing!

Btw, this is the page I was talking about earlier that mentioned the health risks to men of high emotion.
http://www.trans4mind.com/counterpoint/tyrrell2.shtml

[Naomi]

That article doesn't really talk about how men are at risk from emotions well-balanced. It just says that men have an emotional problem, to be quite honest. Not only that, it's written quite simplistically and with loads of sexist bias.

IN my own way, I've discovered that men don't talk about their feelings because they were attacked when they were younger for expressing it.

Also, why the fuck should I care what some no name internet flunky has to say on a christian or jewish site? I mean seriously. Jewish World Review? The Jewish culture is one of the most sexist religious enviroments in the world, they can't stand women. Same for "Christianparty.net" I suppose...I'm sorry I can't take that seriously.

[Deimos]

That article doesn't really talk about how men are at risk from emotions well-balanced. It just says that men have an emotional problem, to be quite honest. Not only that, it's written quite simplistically and with loads of sexist bias.

IN my own way, I've discovered that men don't talk about their feelings because they were attacked when they were younger for expressing it.

Also, why the fuck should I care what some no name internet flunky has to say on a christian or jewish site? I mean seriously. Jewish World Review? The Jewish culture is one of the most sexist religious enviroments in the world, they can't stand women. Same for "Christianparty.net" I suppose...I'm sorry I can't take that seriously.

The same article was posted at many news sites. I thought you'd like that one more because you've talked repeatedly about being part Jewish. An error of judgment, apparently. They most certainly did not write the article and if you can't stand that site then you can find it elsewhere.


http://www.batteredmen.com/batfact.htm
http://www.batteredmen.com/batrNVAWcjs.htm
http://www.batteredmen.com/youngsal.htm

This cites many sources. It is not something you can discredit for any religious reasons or because they are some sort of worthless no-name site.

Men are unfairly mistreated by a legal system that is biased against them and by widespread social bias founded by a movement of radical women who lack any understanding of men, seek no understanding of men, and seek to lay blame on man for all women's problems.

[Naomi]

Yeaaaah radical women man....right on. More power to them and so on and so forth....

How the fuck do you tell if someone is being "emotional" over the godamned internet anyways? Does the additon of an exclamation point suddenly make it "emotional? lol

It's all smoke and mirrors inside your own biases man....

[Deimos]

I've vowed to stop associating with occultists and magicians because they are all absolutely insane so unfortunately this discussion will have to remain unfinished. I mean really, talking to occultists about anything and trying to get them to explain their position based on evidence or some natural law of the universe or something that doesn't boil down to a leap of faith is like trying to pull your own teeth while fighting a rabid badger and I'm just fucking sick of it. Even insulting them and saying random things for comedy value isn't fun anymore.


Bye now. You will not catch me hanging around occultists again unless a mob of them has come to lynch me and I am, in fact, quite literally hanging. Not likely to happen.

[Naomi]

Ok, say hi to the aliens next time you see them.

[Ritual_Kiss]

What a crock. I've spoken to many women about politics, and their opinions and how they express them vary from person to person. Most women and men I've talked to have opinions that are based on both logic and emotion, and there is nothing wrong with the latter. I've also met plenty of men and women who exhibit a profound lack of logic, and are passionate and emotional about it.


When people have political preferences based on emotion alone or based on who's most popular, thats not a matter of gender, but rather mental laziness.
More often then not, I find the whole "You are thinking with your emotions" an excuse to dismiss a person's argument so as to make them irrelevant in a conversation. That way you don't have to bother considering their side.
But, if one has to invalidate another to uphold their own opinion, there is no faith that it can carry itself on it's own merits.


Having passion doesn't automatically make an argument wrong.

Logic and emotion cannot exist without each other.