Age & aging

[deviadah]

I've always been older than my peers, and I've always been able to converse with older folks pretty easily. I've got, what some would call, an old soul. At the same time I am tuned in to children... but kids and old folks are pretty similar (they both drool for instance)!

Now I work a lot with people about ten years younger than myself, and this age group I find really difficult. And I get annoyed by their lack of knowledge - especially when it comes to the arts.

When I was their age (fuck I sound old saying that) I watched and listened to things decades older than myself, but it seems these kids don't know about anything pre-1985 (apart from The Beatles and Star Wars)!

It is especially apparent when it comes to films since half the shit that is made these days are re-makes.

Repetative behaviour is a negative human trait and this is probably why it took 2500 years for women to receive - at least in concept - an equal status from the time it was first discussed by those in charge (in this case Buddha himself)!

The real problem I have right now is the age group I am soon a part of (middle age 30-40), which means I have to start acting like a man. My Peter Pan-ism qualities really cause problems for me, but none that I am not really enjoying.

The refusal to become an adult does not suggest the refusal to become old nor wise, and I think this is the false assumption a lot of people make!

End of rant!

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[Naomi]

I rank ageism right up there with racism and sexism

ie i dont like it

i don't like being called a kid

I don't like being talked down to based on age, sex or femininity, so i don't do it to other people as far as age groups go

it annoys the piss out of me, one of my pet peeves that I allow because it's beneficial

Got this email this morning:

"People around you might think that you have never matured, naomi, and that you still have the mind of a child. It might not seem obvious at first, but your light-hearted attitude is also a symbol of great wisdom. As others, who have committed to long-term romances, you will find out that you will never lose your light-heartedness. "

astrocenter.astrology.msn.com

[deviadah]

I know what you mean.

I am still viewed as a kid by adults, and by kids I am viewed as an adult. Age is relative... it's not really how long you've done something, but what you've done!

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I got to go to work now...

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[Naomi]

Kind of like sex, eh....

[m1thr0s]

I don't know...I think age makes a difference when the time has been invested well. Otherwise it doesn't mean shit to beans basically. We can all find good examples of worthless old farts whose acquired years only really means they have been actively screwing the world longer than teenagers have. It is disconcerting how many of them we find in politics and other fundamentally dishonest and corrupt professions.

Consumerism, in general, and a whole economy built upon consumerism, has produced a caliber of old folks difficult to justify and this is a great injustice to those who have spent their years well since they seem to get the lion's share of attention. It hasn't always been this way and in many cultures it was absolutely never this way with the elderly. The old were a cultural treasure and should be a cultural treasure unless the culture itself has become morally bankrupt on some level.

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[deviadah]

It hasn't always been this way and in many cultures it was absolutely never this way with the elderly. The old were a cultural treasure and should be a cultural treasure unless the culture itself has become morally bankrupt on some level.
This is where we get the Shamans from... and it is true that in the modern world there is no longer room for such men (or women for that matter). The closest thing we get to a shaman these days (in the mind of the masses that is) is with Rock Stars!

And instead of ayahuasca their drug of choice is heroin or cocaine...

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Kind of like sex, eh...

Yep!

[Amur]

This is where we get the Shamans from... and it is true that in the modern world there is no longer room for such men (or women for that matter). The closest thing we get to a shaman these days (in the mind of the masses that is) is with Rock Stars!

And instead of ayahuasca their drug of choice is heroin or cocaine...

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Yep!

Shamans have actually got quite a different schooling system than most other do on this planet. While kundalini path can be very intensive for many and hard, it is like a walk in the park compared to a shaman's life. The shaman is literally a traveller between the world of dark and light. It occupies both polarities and can have very dangerous journeys to the land of the spiritually dead (*sadness*). While the kundalini path abolishes ego, the shaman path totally destroys the person in all senses (the shamanic initiation), it might take a life-time to heal it after the disease has struck (depending on the shaman's path and choices), many die in the process or do a suicide. The ego destruction progress gets to such intensity that the world is totally reformed to fit a whole new paradigm balancing between insanity and unsanity(beyond anything). The pictures of Mahakala and other deities alike describe quite alot what the shaman path is about. It's quite alot of rage and fire in the path and when most beings traverse the world at very lofty vibrations with love, shamans traverse both lofty vibrations and very very low vibrations filled with demons and crap and what not (healing it with the rage and fire). This is why many shamans reside in the underworld. Shamans do get ego-destroyed and tortured until they accept their path as a shaman, this process is also a learning process about the mind, the body and how the dimensions work and how the structure of reality is built. I honestly think that shamans should be embedded with the new world as trip guides and guides to investigating ones own spirituality and alternative worlds and so on. It's also efficient to have a shaman as the trip-guide as he/she is able to steer multi-dimensionally and steer away from negative energies into the positive energies. There's something about shamans for you :cool:

Oh forgot almost to mention, shamans are great space-bus book-keepers so you might want to book a spacebus to another planet through a shaman :laugh:

[deviadah]

There's something about shamans for you...

Thanks...

Finland right? If so then you got Sami folks over there, and have you any input if these have any shaman-culture?

Not to get too much off topic but shamans has got to do a lot with growing old and with age-ism. Nothing can be of a more out of date than a Shaman!

Sadly it is also probably something we need more than ever... especially Urban Shamans (even though they do find more ambience in the woods).

The other day some guy asked me why my business was doing so well. The reason he asked wasn't out of wonder, but because he was in a suit looking like a man and I was in a Nirvana t-shirt looking all grunge and punk!

Age is all in the clothes!

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[Amur]

Thanks...

Finland right? If so then you got Sami folks over there, and have you any input if these have any shaman-culture?

Not to get too much off topic but shamans has got to do a lot with growing old and with age-ism. Nothing can be of a more out of date than a Shaman!

Sadly it is also probably something we need more than ever... especially Urban Shamans (even though they do find more ambience in the woods).

The other day some guy asked me why my business was doing so well. The reason he asked wasn't out of wonder, but because he was in a suit looking like a man and I was in a Nirvana t-shirt looking all grunge and punk!

Age is all in the clothes!

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Yes, saami's still have shamans but I guess that they have dimnished vastly over the years of Christian idiocy and so forth. The saami culture has also changed alot in the last couple of hundred years with the new technology and electricity and so forth. But their language is still the same as before and it is very neat. Their language sounds very soft and loving and it's amazing.

Lol, read my own reply now and I find it quite funny in many senses :laugh: Funny how much one can change in a little time with a good technique hehe. Anyway, I would guess that most shamans evolve around being destroyed inside and emotionally exploding into insanity and what not, which in turn can trigger a kundalini awakening as a self-defense mechanism for self-healing, this in turn makes the whole experience blow into weird proportions and experiences and the shaman then takes on a long path of self-healing and what not.

About age & ageing, it would be neat to test around how age is affected by the amount of endorphins in the body/mind mechanism. I'm quite sure that with efficient mind/body controlling through the unconsciousness it should be possible to make the body be flooded with endorphins all the time, which in turn could help in living longer. Atleast my own path is to first heal me of every emotional turmoilt and trauma and then reprogram the whole paradigm into something which fits it more and better. The sexual energy and lust is the first to be programming so that it 'floods' freely around as sex can heal alot inside.

[Naomi]

We tag things as immature when they are actually not, same thing for the other side of the coin...

So our definitions are skewed as well, I don't think any of us will ever agree completely on what makes something old or young, because we measure on either short or broad scales, and time is cyclical, There's the saying 30 is the old age of youth and 50 is the youth of old age, where 40 is some nebulous in between area where there's a midlife crisis of some sort. I don't know I havn't lived it recently...

To me life is a hellish mess where you struggle to hold on to everything that is unchanging within and not allow external forces to take it from you. I was already on the right path by the time I was 8 so I have to backtrack about 20 years to recover the time I lost, it's all coming together slowly though.