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Naomi
03-28-2008, 02:38 AM
Spinoff tangent from the thread Gateway to Abrahadabra.

I think you are confusing people and ideologies naomi...

but all we have done is fuel the worst in all of that...we haven't handed them anything they haven't been dealt a thousand times before...it's the US that won't be able to maintain their equilibrium since it has now announced to the entire world that it is criminally insane.

and the world has noticed.

this thread isn't about politics though...let's steer back into topic or start a new one...
Ideologies only change at the cost of bloodshed, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes....people need to learn the hard way sometimes.

The U.S may fall to hard lessons as well...I'm not taking sides at all. I want death and destruction to rain down on both sides of the equation....let it all fall to ruin. It's too late for the easy road you know. The Arabs are no less *criminally insane* than the U.S. for instance, but this easily gets brushed aside as "cultural diversity" fuck that...the Arabians for instance, are a bunch of godamned misogynistic monarchists who deserve to have their balls eaten off by carnivorous bone worms. If people want to generalize national populace and group me with fucking Bush lovers I'll take the whole godamned world to task on every bit of human rights violations I have observed. I find the hypocrisy in the liberal anti-war agenda to be fucking rediculous. I've read Amnesty International's reports for almost a decade. People have no right to focus solely on the US without first exploring the other dimensions of abuse going on right under the noses of everyone. The same people who demonize Bush constantly probably never even noticed the issue with the shoe factories in China or the Children's Liberation Army for god's sakes...it's a world problem, not just a US problem. You won't catch me denouncing my US citizenship or nationality, by far that's the only thing that allowed me to get this far without being killed.

Same deal with China, Australia and Russia....everyone has a hand in fucking up the planet, and the U.S. is just facing the reaper's tally the same as everyone else...

It's not right what the US is doing in Iraq but it's also not right to ignore the other atrocities in the world at the expense of dragging down what is actually a pretty well established bastion of free speech into the mud. Whatever. Humans are hypocrites as far as I've observed. I mean it seems like a great bargain for men, the middle east, I mean - but from my perspective it looks like a nightmare....the last place on earth I would want to be is in the Middle East. I'd take any other country - even Uganda for fuck's sakes....

I knew this guy locally who was totally pro middle east and was completely screwed over by his ex girlfriend who took off with his son and two daughters who had dropped out of the Navy or something because he didn't agree with the war. He saw me once wearing a black head scarf in one of my I guess black madonna queen of the night outfits and he was really taken with that, but little did he know how appalling i find the whole Middle Eastern mentality. He also hated feminists so I think in part the middle eastern thing seems sorta alright to males but if you could see if from a woman's perspective, godamnit it's atrocious....

the sickening way men take advantage of the feminine ability to create a beautiful home enviroment is something that should never be ignored, I don't think the feminist movement was uncalled for and I really think the entire Yin equation is staging a revolt on the whole planet...you watch the macrocosmic trends and tell me you don't think this is the case....the only thing to wait for is the return motion from Yang which is going to be probably quite exquisite.

People always want to control that which should never be controlled, and so yes, being a very vengeful person in an esoteric sense I think Iraq got exactly what it was begging for. Don't think I havn't gotten down on the level with these people and tried to be open minded either. I have. I was very dissapointed with both the female and the males.

You know what they say - stupidity is painful....whatever...

m1thr0s
03-28-2008, 03:03 AM
Humans are hypocrites as far as I've observed.perhaps, but then just being human sort of forces that condition since humans are a contradiction with the rest of nature in total. They will have to decide what they are or we'll never really know...

Thus far they haven't ventured any particularly remarkable account of themselves and may have just about run out the clock to boot...

I suspect a lot more of the underlying problems are to be found in the area of economics than is generally recognized. Money, and the whole notion of everything revolving around money hasn't worked very well for human beings.

I recently saw a clip of something I know almost nothing about...something somebody was referring to as resource-based economics that would ultimately replace money as an economic standard that only divides and stratifies people anyway...

In the end I think *wrong thinking* is still our biggest failing...

m1

Naomi
03-28-2008, 03:08 AM
Right, well, money is king but nobody has to like the ruler...we just have to bide time until the right moment to overthrow it...which is where I think this whole Iraq fiasco fits in...just one small puzzle piece in a grand design.

I don't think humans register on a universal scale yet. The planet herself is asserting its personality and that may not be a matter of winning or losing. Humans may have never mattered at all....it may be just a symptom of the planet and how she is engaging the solar system and attempting to reach out to universe. The dinosaurs lasted much longer, as a matter of fact.

m1thr0s
03-28-2008, 03:17 AM
sure...until the ecosystem as a whole came under attack. I don't think it's any accident that human beings are the only animal on earth capable of migrating off-world under their own steam for instance. And with that comes all kinds of transmigrational possibilities extended to the rest of nature itself. Humans are nature's way of linking with *the rest* of nature on a universal scale, assuming they don't bring the whole house down with their rank stupidity...

which is not at all certain I think...

m1

Naomi
03-28-2008, 03:22 AM
Well maybe it's a case of nature being stupid....

some sort of bizarre cosmic dialogue

you know, it happens...

m1thr0s
03-28-2008, 03:28 AM
I don't think so...nature doesn't typically exhibit stupidity per se...I think it's more a rock vs a hard place situation...any animal smart enough to leave the planet is also going to be smart enough to take the planet right out and I don't think you can have it just one way...

humans were a forced hand nature had to play I think...

here's a link to the site that talks about this *resource economics*...it's an annoying site in my opinion and isn't doing much to make its point of view believable...

http://www.thevenusproject.com/

a few decent video clips though...

m1

Naomi
03-28-2008, 03:38 AM
Yeah I think so. I think humans are an expendable resource being used to root out and exterminate something entirely unobservable by most humans. What we can see and what we can do with the unseen is something else entirely. Physics doesn't need an intelligent and informed observer to function properly.

I like humans, I really do, but they sure do piss me off sometimes...

Site is pretty, but it is annoying. A little outdated and wordy. I'd like to see actual applications instead of piles of 70's era concept art and nerd buildings...