YHWH - Thread

[Amur]

http://www.enlightenment.com/blogs/m/markallankaplan/archive/images/yhvh.jpg

To me YHWH has the color of the desert at sunset, and it was a very powerful Egyptian man who came up with something to ignite. With the feeling YHWH gives me, he was a very strict man, which might fit regarding the time he lived at. He was a magickian and knew secrets about the human body and some other things. He was fond of Fire(of course). Well that's YHWH in a nutshell for me.

What does YHWH mean to you? What does YHWH feel to you? Would be interesting to know what you think about him. This thread would generally be about everything related to YHWH and the origins and so on.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yhwh

[fr.novumorganum]

My work with YHVH still very much centers around the 4 fold formulaic uses in ritual, especially in relation to elemental balance and control.

[m1thr0s]

The masculine slant on YHVH always strikes me as a little curious, since from a strictly alchemical point of view the formula should actually be yin-dominant and works out to the Earth Line in trigrammal constructs etc. Technically it combines a balance of 4 elements of course but it would seem that because it begins with a Yod, it has somehow come to be viewed as principally masculine, even by those who really should know better...Would it make any difference if the Yod resided on the butt end of the word? I have wondered about this but I really just don't know for sure.

In my case I actually have no sense of YHVH as possessed of any particular personality. It may be that I have simply disallowed this because I use the formula in a tantric capacity and simply cannot afford it the luxury of being either one kind of asshole or the next. I recognize my take on this to be a Hermetic one and I do not confuse its historical notoriety with my own more technical applications.

In order to fit YHVH to a nobler task than was its usual accustom I had to sort through a lot of psychic garbage to extrapolate the "nugget " I was after, so I am at least aware of an inordinate amount of garbage that has accrued in its name. It actually took me some years to get it cleaned up enough to be able to do the work I had assigned to it. These were difficult years requiring a relentless barage of banishing work that was forced to become rather violent for awhile since it persisted with an inappropriate negative-energy "echo" activity that had to be harshly dealt with until it eventually came under control. So I am aware of its liabilities in this respect and have never actually had the time to analyze this thoroughly. It is no fault of the word nor any of its technical properties and to this day I am not entirely clear why this particular formula should have garnered so much crap. I was fortunate, in a sense, that understanding this was not essential to the task at hand...

Ok, well...I could go on but there's probably not much point. I don't think my take on YHVH is likely to make too much sense to most people when discussed in this kind of way. It essentially does not exist as a character in my world. It exists as a principle, an intelligence and an entire rung of universal mind/matter continuum. Perhaps it is possible to see in that case why its character is a completely moot matter, relative to its function...at least for me. Too important to afford a personality per se...

m1thr0s

[Amur]

Lol. Here are some fun links about the matter also:

http://www.unitedisrael.org/General-Interest/The-Second-Coming-of-YHVH.html
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-hebrew/2005-May/023388.html
http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/t/tetragrammatiom.html

From the first link, the only thing that I can derive is that the only person being equally pissed off as is described is me, myself and I.... Celestial prosecutor indeed. *grin*.

Something more for the story-man part:


Although Jesus Christ plainly, and authoritatively, stated, centuries after Abraham, that no man has seen God (The Father i.e. John 1:18), a number of people of the Old Testament (including Jacob, Moses, Hagar and seventy of the elders of Israel) did see, and speak with, and even eat with, YHVH, or Jehovah. Examples involving Abraham, from the American Standard Version:

Like Terry Pratchett states, it's very hard to believe in a god when you see him over for breakfast every morning :D Perhaps he decided to drop over for lunch? Well that's that with the story part.

According to the 3rd link YHWH is derived from the radical HWH meaning 'being', 'life' or 'woman'. So everyone are infact praying to a Femine-instituted God-name who is disguised as a Man. What kind of cosmic soap opera is this? rofl...

Does the name have any explicit meaning in itself?

I think that your point m1thr0s made a lot of sense. I can imagine the warfare period quite well, and most conclude that it's a quite annoying phase. Currently having a 'bit' trouble with the xtian egregore for echoing/testing in the church that "I'm jesus". Now they want to crucify me into eternal damnation, along with a bunch of other weird things...Anyway, stripping the name from it's emotional/humanism symbolical overtone is very scientific and something which in my opinion is waiting to be done yet on many various layers. Did you come up with any efficient way of cleaning up the emotional garbage of something?

[m1thr0s]

It was annoying Amur, and a little exhausting to some extent, but these various psychic conflicts we sometimes incur can be very curious things. I don't think anybody really comprehends the mystery behind them. Handled properly, these conflicts can be the gateway to tremendous boons which makes me wonder that they may not always earmark special areas of heart and mind that especially require attention.

In my case the whole issue surrounded the Word of Perfection since I have no need of YHVH otherwise...no connection to the word at all and no affinity for any of its personas. The battle waged until at long last YHVH gave up what ultimately turned out to be its most prized possession. In other words, it was out of this conflict that the principle of the Man Line emerged and it was not until after this had become manifested that the battle turned in my favor to a marked degree. It turned out that the key to governing YHVH's ill-dignified aspects revolved around being able to bring the full weight of the Word of Perfection to bear against it. Until this was accomplished the battle just went on and on and while I must admit I had little problem holding my own, it nevetheless was able to regroup an attack from an infinite range of alternate positions.

So this was all a part of some bizarre sort of dance that I needed to play out for my own higher purposes. It does make me wonder about magickal conflict scenarios in general though...how many of them may actually contain the seeds of some core variable or factor especially required by the magician himself. Some kind of crisis strategy we may employ in certain instances perhaps...I'm not completely sure.

In any case the conflict is ancient history for me now...though in some ways it has just moved on to another level, having to do with the world at large but is no threat to me on a personal level one way or the next. In a very real sense I succeeded in destroying it with its own damn name. Funny that this is commonly regarded as the key to gaining dominance against powerful demons in general...

m1thr0s

[Amur]

I do believe in that we are creating something new and beautiful, whereas we seem to co-operate on some level or another.

Regarding YHWH and Christianity, it seems to me that it takes either a spectacular cosmic event or then a human being as Christ to dissolve the religion. Everyone seem to be more or less waiting for the return of someone(s). And it seems to be quite clear to anyone who has digged a bit deeper that continuing religions based on ancient 'Scriptures' are no way for humanity to advance further, which means that there must come an end of somekind to this.

There seems to be a peculiar relationship between any 'egregore' or entity-contact and the magickian. One almost seems to blend into the other, which at time can become quite "#"%#"# irritating. Behold! lol. Try going to the grocery store speaking in the way many has understood and read the Bhagavad-Gita as for example. Even worse, try going to the grocery store, speaking like LORD in the Bible. But things would probably be easier if handled through a self-subsisting emotional part.

The Word of Perfection in itself is already a very fine concept. Having been in that state of Perfection, it is very possible to somehow come to it through magickal and alchemical workings. If only the emotional part would believe instead of being traumatized to a bloody pile of mush :D

[m1thr0s]

Emotions are a big factor, you are quite right. Most people seem to be operating on the emotional level of a five year old and they still really want their Mama to bail them out essentially. One has to trade that UP or it will simply drag you down...there seems to be no middle ground on that one.

Trading up means taking some risks most people are unwilling to take. And, in general, unless their whole emotional security system comes crashing down around their ankles and can't be put back again, they'll very rarely take that kind of risk. Possibly never. So the emotional is a huge factor indeed.

As of 2002, a conservative estimate of all people ever born in this world (starting from 8000 BC) is 106,456,367,669. Compared against the estimated 144,000 "chosen" ones of the *rapture* you are necessarily left with a lot of seriously disappointed people. No matter how you duck and dodge it, the numbers simply cannot support the kinds of special consideration people want or expect and still work out to any kind of justice of any kind. The most likely scenario of all is that it was all a metaphor to begin with and that "god" can actually only redeem those who somehow manage to redeem themselves.

And what "god" would really like to know is...what the hell are people waiting for? That's just a guess of course, since I don't actually claim to have spoken with "god" recently...

m1thr0s

[Amur]

Guess it all comes down to this: http://boingboing.net/images/pluto-astroid.thumbnail.jpg

Looking at the Bible and the amount of contradictions in it, along with the "Bible is God's words" is only bound to make the whole civilization who is reading it more or less traumatized into a sort of paradox reality-tunnel which has no sense in it.

[m1thr0s]

that's your asteroid link Amur...is that what you intended?

m1thr0s

[Amur]

that's your asteroid link Amur...is that what you intended?

m1thr0s

Ahh yes. It was something of a metaphor to the redeeming part. Whatever one reflects to the 'higher' things, seem to fall back more or less as one has reflected them. Be an asshole to yourself and I bet yourself will be an asshole to you lol. Then checking about the amount of 'judging' and strict laws about YHVH, it is bound to be infested with alot of psychic garbage over the years. I think you've done a great job in getting the nugget out.

[m1thr0s]

One of the things that affected my own thinking with respect to YHVH was its Alchemical title as "King of the Elements". Elsewhere we see various kinds of technical applications of the word itself as in the Tetractys and at points in the Pentagram or cardinal directions, quarters of the circle, Tetragrammaton and so on. It dawned on me at a certain point that even if we were to somehow eradicate the "name" alongside any memory of its character, we would still wind up needing some word or another to fulfill all of these technical applications. Unless we were to also completely eliminate Qabbalah and perhaps a dozen or more parallel developments to this we are still going to be stuck with this word at the level of its practical functionality. That's a lot of "eradicating" just to finally replace it with another word that does exactly the same kinds of things and may even have to be structurally identical at the level of letter values themselves. We would also have to eliminate a substantial chunk of Greek history, just to give some example of the magnitude of this ridiculous task.

It may be that the best way to rise above any ill-dignified aspects of this word is to simply hammer down on its dignified aspects...to assert those qualities that make it a good thing, a useful thing and a powerful thing, without regard to its notoriety in any other regard. It is my general impression that the formula of YHVH has pretty much come into the public domain anyway and I very much doubt it will be going away any time soon, again owing to its practical applications.

Here's an interesting article addressing background and pronunciations: Tetragrammaton (http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Tetragrammaton)

I found this bit especially interesting:

Using the Vowels of YHWH

Josephus wrote that the sacred name consisted of four vowels. Many sacred name ministries who believe that YHWH consists of four vowels, pronounce these four vowels as "ee-ah-oo-eh" and believe that that indicates that God's name was either "Yahweh" or "Yahuweh". In what may be a coincidence, the Greek name "ιαουε" would have been pronounced "ee-ah-oo-eh", using the same Greek pronunciation rules that James Strong used. Gerard Gertoux also believes that YHWH consists of four vowels, and that it must be vocalized either "Yeho-ah" or "Yehou-ah"

This is curious to me since it's practical application in trigrammal field construction follows this standard, owing to the physical awkwardness of having to stumble over consonant pronunciations when trying to construct the rings...

m1thr0s

[Kazahel]

What does YHWH mean to you? What does YHWH feel to you? Would be interesting to know what you think about him. This thread would generally be about everything related to YHWH and the origins and so on.Well I look at YHVH as like thunder and lightning. I look at YHVH as everything animal and earthly(given)and YHVH also as like the lion under the rainbow(watching). I see YHVH as a family thing too and when written it makes me think of the individual members coming together to form the family. So the name makes me think of a strong bond under the father(Yod). But I also look at it as a single man with the power to create the family unit, which creates love.


Would it make any difference if the Yod resided on the butt end of the word? I have wondered about this but I really just don't know for sure. I think Yod begins it because it is the spark of fire,.. 'let there be light'.. which is traditionally the beginning from memory. It doesnt flow as well if it ends with fire imo because its ending on a high almost. And it wouldnt make the little man when standing it up. :P

[Phoenix]

Using the Vowels of YHWH

Josephus wrote that the sacred name consisted of four vowels. Many sacred name ministries who believe that YHWH consists of four vowels, pronounce these four vowels as "ee-ah-oo-eh" and believe that that indicates that God's name was either "Yahweh" or "Yahuweh". In what may be a coincidence, the Greek name "ιαουε" would have been pronounced "ee-ah-oo-eh", using the same Greek pronunciation rules that James Strong used. Gerard Gertoux also believes that YHWH consists of four vowels, and that it must be vocalized either "Yeho-ah" or "Yehou-ah"
m1thr0s

Just a thought...

Try out Jyehova

tell me if you like the result...

[m1thr0s]

I already know I don't care for the "J"...

I've got a lot more time in on this damn word than you could possibly know...so I really don't need any tutorials...I have quite honestly seen them all...

But I also don't expect that what works best for me will be universal in all cases. I think that's true of ANY magickal word/formula really. A lot of what really matters to you will have to do with what you happen to be tracking in the moment...something you may need to sort out or become better versed in etc...

So I try to stay away from the idea of right vs wrong applications per se...it's all relative...even the "J"...

linguistically the "J" is German in origin. There is no "J" in either Greek or Hebrew and I believe there is no "Y" in German...so the Yod became a "J"...Germans make great sausages...they don't always make great qabbalists...

m1thr0s

[Phoenix]

linguistically the "J" is German in origin. There is no "J" in either Greek or Hebrew and I believe there is no "Y" in German...so the Yod became a "J"...Germans make great sausages...they don't always make great qabbalists...

m1thr0s


True true, been there, done that...
and frankly i went knowhere, the word is lost even before the birth o chrit so its dam hard to find its origin...unless...


ill update the post in a few days, just remembered something...