How to Kill Zeus

[Naomi]

I need a good way to deal with Zeus and eradicate him from my consciousness. I think he's causing me some problems and needs to be extricated somehow. Zeus is one of the foundational 12 of the human consciousness so this can't be done very easily, any parallels in other civilizations besides Greece might be helpful to me for getting a grasp on the root of the main center he's connected with. Cronus is his father and I have no problems with Cronus, so if i could get him absorbed back into cronus that would probably be the best bet....

Any ideas on a good meditational form to use?

Cronus is very similar to the Indian demon Kroni (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kroni), who is associated with the six aeons. When Kroni tried to destroy the universe, Siva granted a boon to Mayon to kill Kroni but warned him that he would have to destroy all six pieces of Kroni once he was cut into pieces. These pieces are the aeons, time, like Cronus.

The name of this sixth demon fragment is called Kaliyan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliyan), Kaliyan manifests as maya to decieve.

[Amur]

Give him a rubber shrubbery and he'll go away :laugh: For me most things just disappear when I just let go of them, like non-attachment or change my ego so that "I just don't care" and then it just goes 'poof!'.

[m1thr0s]

Zeus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeus), huh? Zeus has a steroids addiction so you could try withholding his meds...


http://www.karendecoster.com/blog/archives/steroids.bmp

Hi, I'm Zeus...you probably want to have sex with me.
That's understandable. I want to have sex with me too but I can barely move...



Otherwise all the gods can be assimilated back into Logos, requiring mainly that you aim the Tetractys directly at him until the process of assimilation is completed...which he will resist, since at this point the only thing that really remains of Zeus in this world is probably Kroni anyway...

The Tetractys trumps all godforms straight across the board...sometimes the only way to really know this is to verify it through hand-to-hand combat, although it is possible to understand it logically...

Or you could try some other technique...usually involving canceling its properties via its opposite, in which case you would be looking for a powerful Yin sufficient to zero his ass out...more difficult, less certain, but more engaging for some. Might as well get some entertainment value from it, although the Tetractys can be very entertaining as well when it's in the groove...

Another technique involves honing in on his emblems of power and reducing these to nothing...in this case the Lightning is a key. Now it happens that the TwinStar is running Lightning bolts as well of a higher caliber and voltage than his, so this is also an option...again the method involves taking specific aim, ie, firing the TwinStar directly at him which can be set up talismanically...again he will resist...and again it will prove futile in the end, but you must persist. What must happen is that the TwinStar must absorb his energy completely, leaving a perfect nothing behind but itself.

As for Cronos, there are various ways to attempt this...magickal squares have something to contribute to this where the larger squares become collected up into the smaller. Cronos = Saturn whereas Zeus = Jupiter for instance, so we are talking about collecting the inertia of the 4x4 grid (binary tetragrammaton=16) into the ternary 3x3 grid (ternary bigrammaton). Here we are dealing primarily with ways of achieving a kind of reverse engineering since what emanates from a thing can also be returned to it...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I started calling those guys turds a while back because they look like a big pile of shit with grease poured on it.


As for Cronos, there are various ways to attempt this...magickal squares have something to contribute to this where the larger squares become collected up into the smaller. Cronos = Saturn whereas Zeus = Jupiter for instance, so we are talking about collecting the inertia of the 4x4 grid (binary tetragrammaton=16) into the ternary 3x3 grid (ternary bigrammaton). Here we are dealing primarily with ways of achieving a kind of reverse engineering since what emanates from a thing can also be returned to it...


Wow that's so incredible, thanks for pointing that out.

I turned on Ravana earlier on accident by listening to his composition, the famous Siva Tandav Stotram, that was pretty cool. Ravana is one of the six aspects of Kroni. I think it is probably the later aspect, Dhuryodhana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duryodhana), who is more prevalent in Zeus and causing the problems. Dhuryodhana is said to have been made out of thunderclouds. Again Dhuryodhana is another aspect of Kroni and is the king Arjuna battles in the Bhagavad Gita (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavad_gita) alongside Krsna (Krsna refuses to fight in the battle though, signifying his nature as a godhead type symbol)

The interesting thing here on Mithras too, you know I was working with Mithras and it may be the slack on the changes are activating Zeus's defense mechanisms if Saturn absorbs Jupiter, I may just be shifting into a higher gear.


"Finally, it makes sense because the grade Pater corresponds to the figure of
Mithras at the banquet, and as we have seen, Mithras repeats the deed of
Saturnus by wounding Heaven and generating the human race (Giants with both
eartly - serpent legs - and heavenly nature - human torso).


>You also can't say that the snake is a saturnine attribute - the snake was
>universal to all the gods and in no way uniquely related to Saturn (if
>anything the snake was sacred to Phoebus Apollo for slaying it at Delphi).
Yes, but the polar snake Draco was identified with Chronos.

>Regarding Mithraic iconography it is Oceanus that is occasionally shown
>entwined with a serpent.
As I have said, Oceanus is a kind of Underworld Saturnus (Kronos?). Maybe
the Chronos and Kronos aspects are distinguished as Upperworld and
Underworld Saturnus."

- The Mithras List (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mithras/)

I don't run Mithras as persistantly as the Ningishzidda intelligence or other Parabrahman level symbols, but he does work really well as a specialty application and is good for when you need a victorious attitude especially in the face of overwhelming odds. Oh and even sixth generation deities like Pan (son of Hermes fyi) are very important to me and as troublesome as grandkids can be to the Titans, so I can definately see why Zeus would be doing some particularily nasty things in my head like sending whoever those two creeps in my dream last night were.

I know it's him though...I had to think it over but it feels like no one else but Zeus. I think it might be funnier to have a long drawn out battle but I want to be careful so I am just going to use the Tetractys. At least if I have a good link to Ravana I have a way to get leverage up the mountain, since Ravana will have authority over Zeus by way of association with a Chronus/Kroni form.



Give him a rubber shrubbery and he'll go away :laugh: For me most things just disappear when I just let go of them, like non-attachment or change my ego so that "I just don't care" and then it just goes 'poof!'.


Yeah, well, if you use them a lot they're a little harder to extricate from your brain without damaging stuff you don't want to damage...Zeus is also the father of Aphrodite. I went through this sector last year with the archetype's nobler characteristics presented as Wotan who is sort of a Zeus/Mercury hybrid. Odin is even compared to Lugus, an Celtic story with later editions having Lugh defeat Balor, a monster similar in nature to Chronos.

None of this is anthropologically sound, but psychologically if you look at the stories the human brain is formulating you can draw a bead on the thing itself as it is, and not how it's told in fairytales...the Irish may have never heard of Zeus but they are the same species and have the same kind of brain.

Zeus is the worst of the lot though, and the most popular one, just as Venus is the most popular archetype for women in this age of darkness....

[m1thr0s]

here's a little ditty from some Xian numerology site that might actually be useful to some extent. the author refers to the term "mathematical metaphors" as a way of understanding the gods at a principle level. Unfortunately this is not the way most people understand these things so that very often what we really want to rid ourselves of is all the garbage that has collected in their names...

see: http://jesus8880.com/chapters/gematria/zeus-apollo-hermes.htm

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[Naomi]

It's funny but I always associated Raven of the Pacific Northwest with the Zeus/Wotan fragments but until seeing these direct correlations with Ravana and Chronos I think I finally have him by his tail feathers after eluding me for years. that explains the blue feathers on my portait of Raven - (Ravana is blue) my art never makes sense to me at the time....

for those unfamiliar with Ravana here's a very entertaining bollywood introduction....I meant to get this on video some time ago but never looked into it. I have no idea where the indian grocery is in this town...

Ravana is famous for playing the veena so i don't know what he is doing with a drum, but it's probably more danceable anyways...
YouTube - Ravana


YouTube - Shiv Tandav From Raavan on Zee TV

[Naomi]

thanks, looking at the link now m1thr0s...

[MythMath]

Possible visual aids...?


4x4 and 3x3 grids:

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_ELEMENTALJUPITERcopy.jpg
By Jove, it's elemental (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2605)
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Dual TwinStars/Tetracti with
16 geomantic figures
and 9 elements:

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_KingofKings.jpg

Dual TwinStars/Tetracti with
16 binary tetragrams:

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_RatTwinStarfinalcopy.jpg
Jupiter Rex? Or Saturn? (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2396&highlight=saturn+jupiter)

[Naomi]

That first one is good I like the separating motion it carries, like a swastika blender...

[Naomi]

Another thing worth examining is the significance of Garuda, who takes the form of an eagle or a parrot, which is Zeus's animal symbol - along with the swan. This may have inspired and parallels the Pacific Northwest Raven story wherein Garuda and Raven both return the sun/amrita from imprisonment in the underworld. (the stories vary only in nature of the characters)

I have never had a problem with Garuda, and it seems the archetype only becomes contaminated when it is paired with the human instead of the animal form. Maybe this should never be done.

Garuda is the vehicle for Vishnu and so he carries the protection protocols and enables the faculties of preservation and beauty. Zeus is also known for having an appreciation for beauty and the arts so this also fits.

Ravana is more closely associated with Siva, however, and has a really strong mastery of magick and sorcery, whereas garuda is very martial, he spawned a whole series of mythological creatures in Japan known as karasu - crow spirits that impart martial wisdom and understanding on Samurai who either defeat them in battle or impress them.

[frater luciferi]

the morning star was appointed the number 888 in the christian kabbalah.. its not as well versed a science as judaic kaballah but very appocolyptic. each 3+5=8 ! lol
five pointed stars? versus the six pointed stars.

[m1thr0s]

really? how strange, since the 888jesus site seems to think it's the number of the Christ from what I can gather...I haven't looked at the site all that much though.

the Hermes connection is interesting since in the Sepheroth 888 would definitely correspond to Mercury, which also happens to be the 8x8=64 grid housing the 64 binary hexagrams etc...

It is interesting when people can at least partially come together at the numbers...I like that...makes me think there might be some hope for humans yet...small hope, but still...

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[Amur]

huh? Zeus has a steroids addiction so you could try withholding his meds...

Lol, thanks for pointing that out. I think the Christian God(Not the Christian Father) has somekind of like-kind of addictions of 'big dickedness'. I'm gonna cut his share of the pie and see if he calms down :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

yeah...these cats all have really lousy diets.

Jehovah lived almost exclusively on a diet of smoked animal fat for centuries...that's got to f*ck with your sanity after awhile...:cool:

Meanwhile cats like Shiva are going down on rosehips and rice and veges with a little milk and butter tossed in...nothing too heavy or extreme...

and what do you know...he didn't lose his godamm marbles!

go figure.

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[Amur]

yeah...these cats all have really lousy diets.

Jehovah lived almost exclusively on a diet of smoked animal fat for centuries...that's got to f*ck with your sanity after awhile...:cool:

Meanwhile cats like Shiva are going down on rosehips and rice and veges with a little milk and butter tossed in...nothing too heavy or extreme...

and what do you know...he didn't lose his godamm marbles!

go figure.

m1thr0s

Well, I don't actually wonder at all about Jehovah :laugh: Looking at how Christians tend to have their body literally killed by the amount of Chemicals in it (and then they have this golden astralic shield of Jehova around them so that no one noticed how poisoned they are including themselves).

But Cats have a natural tendency for healthy things and have a common tendency to keep themselves 'fit' for whatever that comes by.

Actually got pissed off with the Xtians sitting inside the Earth and removed them from the inner places of the planet and relocated them elsewhere, they just abused the shit out of this so had to remove them lol. Didn't get too happy about it but too bad the funnier thing is that they tell me that "I don't follow the rules", I suppose they wouldn't have gotten removed if they had followed the rules in the first place :no:

I've thought about starting to eat multicolored multi-dimensional lights, should really make an upgrade for the body :laugh:

I think Jahveh just had Big Balls :laugh: Perhaps he lost his marbles because of it. I seldom loose my balls, nor my marbles, and I VERY seldom get extremely violent, but because of personal things Jahveh has done to my life, I might become extremely violent. If he takes the power path and tries to squench my own power then I will hit him so hard that it will take him eons to heal from it, but if he takes a civilized path I think I'll just have him sued and get fired from his Position, the complaints and filings about 'Him' is quite intense and the list is long lol and I've merely been observing not acting yet, I really pity the fellow but I suppose he had it coming.

http://www.sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2008-04-04.gif

[Naomi]

I ended up falling asleep moving Zeus through the tetractys and I realized in my dream I could trace the twinstar in my sleep...nice...so then I was working the tetractys so hard in my sleep the twinstar started to become sort of shaky, I don't know why, It would shift into other forms and I couldn't hold it together because the tetractys was asserting itself more so i just let it slide. then i was in a room with a pile of pillows and noticed one had a tetractys embroidered on it and another had another symbol on it and it had a woman's voice, I freaked out because I still remembered I was trying to clena out my house. So I sicked the tetractys on the pillow and then i used the twinstar but for some reason I started getting confused and couldn't remember how to use the twinstar so I just put all the energy and focus into the tetractys.

I hope it worked. Damn pillows...

The symbol was one I remember from a book on the tomb of Tutankhamun I used to own. It's a very obscure and strange looking relic, archaeologists don't know the meaning behind it yet. It's sort of an animal body with the head of a penis and a long wiry tail.

I want to honor this form but I have no way to do that at the level of Zeus, I need to find a way to bring it up to the caliber of Raven (kangi tanka) and I think this is a continuation of that effort.

I am very interested in carrion eaters - vultures, coyotes, jackals, ravens, crows, tyrannosaurs...

Here is a video of the cannibal birds of the Kwakiutl, I attended the smokehouse dances at Tulalip and Lummi so I have a real strong connection there (even physically because they use the mask with my hair on it every year in the spring) Zeus obviously has approximation to anything with a giant bird eagle in it. The double headed eagle is also the right form for this type. I think that is the really the epitome of what the eagle god is, so that they stop fighting you have to merge them. 2:48 has a good clip...

YouTube - Kwakiutl Native American Indian Red Cedar Ceremony dances

[Naomi]

Yup here it is - Anubis emblems....no clues here...

http://www.ashmolean.org/gri/carter/202-p0673.html

Oh well...mine now...

[Naomi]

Here is another video with the double raven/eagle emblem. I always thought these robes were cool but the hats are very tacky

YouTube - Raven Travelling

[frater luciferi]

sweet, now i got another idea for a tattoo design, i love inuit art and there art seems very similar..nice..and a raven on top of it..

[Naomi]

I don't know what to think of it, yet it helped when i targeted Ares as well, maybe they are connected? Who knows.

My problems went away after using the tetractys. I like the double phoenix emblem too, I don't know what it means...

[m1thr0s]

I like the double phoenix emblem too, I don't know what it means...called the Hermes Phoenix by several sources I have seen...I don't really know why anyone else would have called it that but it is appropriate...

Curiously, Cronos is one of the few archetypes that would have a direct correlation to the Tetractys via the LoShu Square, being the Key of Saturn etc...

All this nonsense about Zeus having castrated Cronos is pure propoganda...we see this pattern in other cultures attempting to redefine their own history but the Father is still the Father in any case...more than likely Zeus was simply a bastard son, ie, not a true son of the father so much as an usurper. The latter Greek Gods have never much impressed me anyway...it's all politics and posing with this bunch.

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[Naomi]

I'll tell you what, I've been trying to sort out this tridosha business for a while, and the Hermes Phoenix is a perfect fit for the two in one creature I need for the symbology affixed to it, to create a seamless integration with the four pillars as it transitions into the material world.

The history of the earth's magickal practices dates back 70,000 years, so even the titans of "ancient" Greece are no more than pale shadows of their former selves. it's all really vague coming from the myths themselves, so it is actually more helpful to use the inner space itself to view these archetypes.

Cronus is dark though, and like Ravana he also ruled during a golden age - in Ravana's capital city on what is now Sri Lanka, it is said even the poorest among the populace ate food from dishes made of gold and his entire country was prosperous and happy. Cronus is a kind of Satan by his mere affiliation with Saturn, which is all interesting, I love Saturnian stuff, it's my favorite planet...