Tai Hsuan Ching a GoGo

[MythMath]

81 Tetragrams
among the
Nine Elemental Realms


http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/AscendingTetragramsINWARDFRACTALcop.jpg

[MythMath]

Here's a re-post of the
Animated Tai Hsuan Ching

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/THC-LSD-widders-only-for-IR.gif

[Naomi]

thanks, because this morning I was staring at your THC a go go (cute title btw) and it was really bothering me that the points have a broken space between them. I want to see it monochromatic too, I don't like color too much it distracts me from the meditation. So I like the monochromatism of the first image but the layout of the second. My mind wanted to make the large circles overlap.

[MythMath]

Funny, after I was finished I was feeling the need to overlap that gap too...


Like in this depiction:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TriowithToLFoLcopy.jpg


The reason for the difference is that the 'go-go' image
was an inward fractalization and the animated
layout represents an outward fractalization...

New generation nesting within the previous generation
vs.
new generation orbiting around the previous one...

[Naomi]

Yeah. Well I like the black and gold, but the primary color scheme just ruins it. I have thrown away kids furniture just because I could not stand it any longer. (You have kids too, right?) ok so enough of that, I just thought I'd mention it.

I like the trillium in the middle there. Must be a clue, right, if we're both keying into that part. Ok well I have no idea ....I like the first one though just not the gaps. Maybe there is no clean break between the worlds in all actuality.

[MythMath]

Yeah the primary one was an earlier attempt,
I've been 'reigning things in' lately...

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/borromean.jpg

Borromean rings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borromean_rings)

[MythMath]

81 Tetragrams

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/AscendingTetragramscompressedcopy.jpg

[Naomi]

Well yeah, it's like looking up into the sky (a cone)

mm, ice cream

[MythMath]

Shou Diamond
{81 Ternary Tetragrams}

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/9X9DiamondTetragramscopy.jpg

[MythMath]

64 Binary Hexagrams
{chronologically sequenced}

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/8x8DiamondHexagramsbinarycopy.jpg


see also: I Ching subsets of Tai Hsuan Ching (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2133)

[Naomi]

The Tai Hsuan Ching one is activating my crown lotus, I can hear ringing as soon as it starts up. I'm not synchronized with the THC at all - I rarely view the Lo Shu Square.

You know, I strip down the twin trees mirrors too, I still use the cloud swirl background occasionally but for the most part I have a boring ecru background with the P'an Ku side dressed in the color of dried blood.

This tends to make the mirrors more effective for me, for some reason, I need that to absorb them more clearly.

[MythMath]

I 'found' my avatar sigil again:

http://www.penninetaichi.co.uk/index_files/image8711.jpg


http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.penninetaichi.co.uk/index_files/image8711.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.penninetaichi.co.uk/index_files/Page351.htm&h=302&w=382&sz=13&hl=en&start=36&um=1&tbnid=cNF4LexrkTx0qM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=123&prev=/images%3Fq%3DFu%2BHsi%2BDNA%26start%3D21%26ndsp%3D 21%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

[m1thr0s]

holy shit...I should have noticed that...that's a big deal...

well that cinches it MM...it's a keeper...

m1

[Naomi]

Yeah, wow, cool....how did you make that thing again, MythMath?

[MythMath]

Sacred Solfeggio Frequencies ;)
(http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2108&highlight=SOLFEGGIO)

[Naomi]

that's nuts, I can't stop laughing

[m1thr0s]

yeah...it's very strange...we seem to have backed our asses into this thing with all conceivable caution only to arrive right back at the beginning, facing forward somehow...

that's a magickal process of its own order and always quite remarkable when it occurs...although in this case it feels a little like having discovered matches (or maybe fire itself) through the process of nuclear physics...

it'll take awhile to reconstruct all the connections going on here now...

note: obviously we will want to reexamine that 45 degree slant...funny...feels like a planetary tilt all of a sudden...

m1

[MythMath]

Remember "Saturn Slant"...?

{The first track of the Making Waves DVD}

[m1thr0s]

Cronos is all about Time, historically, and I have repeatedly felt as though this is what must be going on with the ternary system in general...this is all time tech stuff ultimately, which, in itself, may account for why it's been so difficult for people to really wrap their brains around it...

We have more or less needed to exhaust the limits of the binary as a logical precursor to knowing how to place the ternary in any context we can actually manage.

m1

[MythMath]

This is from the dvd I finished just a few weeks
before I drifted in here back in 'Ought Six...



SATURN SLANT

[m1thr0s]

http://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn01.jpg

This actually qualifies under what has been historically called the Great Seals of the Planets...in this case, the Great Seal of Saturn... Western Magickal tradition has somehow missed the boat on this one but the proofs built right into the sigil should leave no doubt.

And this is how it looks when righted on the Tree of Life. I'm going to keep reasserting this principle until people begin to get it. It is important how we approach these keys with respect to the Body of Light itself. In general, the explanation is to be found in the middle column which is aligned *as a man stands* with Heaven in the Above, Earth in the Below and Man at the Middle. This has nothing to do with compass coordinates actually...that is just a happy coincidence for those living in Northern latitudes but is not the underlying principle as applies more universally.

When we employ these tools as energy guides it is important that we approach them is such a way as to afford ourselves the best possible chance of success with the least amount of unnecessary deviation. People who have only an intellectual grasp of these issues will not get this very well since it will seem as though the arguments run 6-1, 1/2 dozen to the other, but this is not the case in practical application. Whenever possible, it is important that we develop the habit of drawing down from the above and cycling back to it as well...this *drawing down* action amounts to a torque & thrust principle that consistently propels us upwards, towards Crown itself...

So it matters.

m1

[Naomi]

The Western Magickal tradition is too busy tracking down copyright infringement violations on outdated OTO texts to bother....lol

When we employ these tools as energy guides it is important that we approach them is such a way as to afford ourselves the best possible chance of success with the least amount of unnecessary deviation. People who have only an intellectual grasp of these issues will not get this very well since it will seem as though the arguments run 6-1, 1/2 dozen to the other, but this is not the case in practical application. Whenever possible, it is important that we develop the habit of drawing down from the above and cycling back to it as well...this *drawing down* action amounts to a torque & thrust principle that consistently propels us upwards, towards Crown itself...Yeah that's very tantric actually....cool.

Saturn courses through one of the most pragmatic and difficult paths in the universe for occult research, yet I've always accounted it as the only way to really do things around here, I don't get why people shun it as being grim and unyielding. You take care of business and then you get to reap the rewards right? Anyways it's a cool looking planet, too....it has some of the greatest moons in the solar system...

[MythMath]

I do a little daily ritual with this
angled, caduciform variant:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/LoShuSigil-1.jpg
I start at the bottom and zig back and forth,
up (and down) to the apex, with the last
stroke going straight down to the base point...

(and from what I can tell, it's 'working')

But from m1's last post, I seem to have
the darn thing flipped and crooked...

Back to swastika comparisons...

These crafty nine dots...

[m1thr0s]

This one follows 4/4 time...very rhythmic. You can count it out just like musical conducting *one-two-three-four-five-six-seven-and...* - also *one-and-two-and-three-and-four-and...*

I'm not sure yet what the most effective mantra properties would be...I need to see more data on the egyptian ogdoad and other related criterion...we could also align the bijas to this one with very little effort.

m1

[m1thr0s]

it's nice MM...but look closely at the force being generated between 8 & 9 in the slant version...it's fucking formidable...comes crashing down like a lightning bolt on acid, originating from Heaven itself...

Many things are possible and no one thing is entirely incorrect but we also need to cut through the crap here in as little time as possible...it's a lot to be attempting at all...every little drop of advantage is required to pull it off...

This is my assessment but I am surely amenable to discourse...you are doing fine work thus far so your methods are working. I am not addressing the good so much as the strongest thing I can qualify here...

We can also reverse directions with this following the TwinStar pattern running two slant versions left and right both originating in the above...although...it's got my brains flipping cartwheels reflecting on it...directional poles are reversed...I think we're actually standing on the other side with this one...

f*ck...this thing is dangerous dood...:eek:

let's run few a few scribbles and see what the cat drags in...

m1

[m1thr0s]

Anyways it's a cool looking planet, too....it has some of the greatest moons in the solar system...Saturn's rings have always impacted me the most. Every time I see them I can't help thinking...oh yeah, that's what civilization looks like...

and we're not there yet campers...

m1

[Naomi]

What are you calling this thing MythMath? I need a label for my desktop manager when I switch out my meditations...I'm going to add it betwen the P'an ku mirror and the Twinstar until I can figure out what it's doing, the clean black on white one you just posted is extremely forceful.

It's really strange. I got the initial feeling of the crown lotus recieving, and then, now I am not looking at it, yet there is a sensation like a cold steel ball being held against the back of my skull on my left side, just slightly off center. Then I can feel a line running up over my left brain hemisphere right along the edge of the partition and into the third eye, and it feels like it's trying to loop under the third eye area and back over the right side. It feels like the maxillary nerve.

I get lots of activity of course but this is too strong to be anything else, I didn't do the Twinstar or the Trees this morning.

[m1thr0s]

been trying to find a copy of the traditional great seal of saturn on the web:

this is the best I have found so far: http://altreligion.about.com/library/glossary/symbols/bldefssealsaturn.htm

http://z.about.com/d/altreligion/1/0/H/J/2/ssealsaturn.jpg

It's easy to see that the essential concept is intact but the principle itself has been demoted behind a mere graphic shell...

This is the problem with people going out of their way to conceal what little they know...it doesn't take but a few generations for everyone to have completely lost track of (what might or might not have been) the original understanding...

m1

[Naomi]

Oh I flipped the image horizontally and that seemed to ignite the right of my brain...it's got to catch up now. I think I will do it like this:

http://www.dazimua.com/images/occult/double-unknown.jpg

[Naomi]

yeah..ok...woah...way to much I'm going to have to put this one away for a while until i figure out what it's doing....it feels like someone just stuck a planet in my head

[m1thr0s]

Try the 4/4 time count and see if that helps naomi...from the top:
one-and-two-and-three-and-four-and...[center & ground CCW]...then
one-and-two-and-three-and-four-and...[center & ground CW]
final center & ground...[CW]

repeat until toasted to a nice golden brown... :cool:

Personally I think the slant form has more punch but I'm still scanning it...

m1

[Naomi]

That's very interesing m1thr0s. (I just saw your post after writing this, I will try that)

It seems like the P'an Ku mirror neutralizes the effects of this thing, but then as soon as I view it again, bam, it's like being immersed in water at a depth of a 1,000 feet...

I'm getting a lot of weird feedback in my throat chakra area too. That one is traditionally a dark blue...who else was blue? Ravana...I already discussed how Ravana is associated with Saturn in this thread:

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=2732

In the Rigveda, Vishnu is mentioned 93 times, for you Thelemites.

One of Vishnu's weapons is called the Sudarshan, which has six spokes, and resembles Saturn's rings -

http://www.dazimua.com/images/occult/Vishnu.jpg

In Indian cosmology, the three worlds are comprised of Siva, Vishnu and Brahma. Brahma is unchanging reality, sometimes referred to as Parabrahman to denote the whole beyond this - we are each Brahman yet that is only a portion of Parabrahman or Param Brahman. Vishnu is the unchanging Seed, capable of manifesting all material worlds, everything that can exist. Siva is unchanging consciousness.

[m1thr0s]

one of the advantages of the center & ground action is that you can pace things in a variety of ways. you needn't cycle through just once for instance and immediately go to center & ground...sometimes I might cycle through 3 times, 6 times, or some random number based entirely on the feel of it. The point of doing this is that you can really explore the inertia in motion which will reveal things important to know. It also builds up a more aggressive charge. The main thing is to try to maintain a balance left and right, when you are working the twin form...

m1

[Naomi]

It's still too much, (but that did help tremendously) I'm going to have to sit this one out for a week, then introduce it again once a week or so. How does this relate to the tree of life?

[m1thr0s]

Saturn has a dual function in the ToL...as Father it resides in Daath and gives us the Father Time sort of dynamic. As Mother it resides in Binah and gives us the principle of Formation as it corresponds to Matter, moreover...in either case we get an archetype of Macrocosm we can (more or less) fathom...

The Key of Saturn is the first magickal square possible in numbers so it's head-up to all other magickal square arrangements...The Key of Saturn is something like a Master Key that unlocks any door in the house...

m1

[m1thr0s]

http://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn01a.jpg

here's a copy with the bigrams laid in...I'm still comping the reversal since it brings up several complex issues...not sure the best way to approach it yet.

m1

[m1thr0s]

Ok...this is a little intense...I'll try to explain this in one fell swoop. The most intuitive way to arrange the reversal on this one is just to flip the image around and then adjust the numbers to match, without considering the bigrams at all for the moment. The problem is determining which one should run widdershins and which one deiseil, since it's not really all that certain. For the moment, let's just assume that a left slant leans to the Yin side on the Tree of Life, so should be the Yin=Widdershins. The right slant leans to the Yang side so should be the Yang=Deiseil. We don't really know that for sure yet and it's a fairly weak assumption but not a bad guesstimate just as a starting point.

So then what we will get looks like this:

http://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn02.jpghttp://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn01.jpg

Now ordinarily I would have thought than when we went to lay in the bigrams, we would logically expect to have to arrange a reversal on these as well, thinking that our chronological order would surely be disrupted if we didn't do that. But I thought I noticed something unexpected going on here so just as a starting point decided not to reverse the bigrams at all and see what we might get...see just how big a mess we would be dealing with etc...

So in that case we get this:

http://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn02a.jpghttp://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn01a.jpg

Ok...so here's the mind-boggler. If you look at this closely you'll notice that both arrangements are, in fact, numerically chronological, only the one on the left is following a reverse numerical order, the same as the Inner Heaven (Fu Hsi) arrangement...which is also called Earth Ascending in the Four Pillars. Check those tables and you will see: 9=1, 8=2, 7=3, 6=4, 5=5, 4=6, 3=7, 2=8, 1=9...So somehow, without moving the bigrams around at all, the left side = Earth Ascending and the right side = Heaven Descending...and I need a drink. That just doesn't seem like it should have been possible...let alone easy!

Anyway...we have good reasons at this point to conclude that the left side really should be the Widdershins rotation and the Right side really should be the Deiseil and we can run this thing just as we would the TwinStar...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

I don't understand numerical chronology much at all as described in your book so I'll just take your work for it.

The P'an Ku mirror told me MythMath was Ouranos last year so this all makes sense actually...

[m1thr0s]

I don't understand numerical chronology much at all as described in your book so I'll just take your work for it.well that's ok...you actually can take my word for it but also...if there is a bug in my math...some cool cookie around here will find it and (hopefully) let me know...

I don't see it though...I just can't believe it fell together that easily. I'm totally trained not to trust that sort of thing but I think it's just how it is...

I think what sort of happens after a time is that you develop a high enough instinct for things that it begins to pay off in spades...but because we are dealing in anatomical parameters here...some things really do need to be numerically exact...then we know we have a tool we can get rough with...it will take all kinds of abuse being strong against all kinds of weather...

m1

[Naomi]

I really don't know what to think of all of this, it's strange. I'm not ignoring the thread or anything...it's just bizarre. They start scanning my brain as they scroll across the page just to get to the reply button...

OOhh no there's no escape now. :(

Yeah, for sure it pays off eventually, that's just the karma for following the straight and narrow path - however you define it. Man I'm rolling in so much occult phenomenon and knowledge these days I don't even know what to do with it...

[MythMath]

I had a very weird day... :no::o_O:

You kids flipping the sigil all over the
place have anything to do with that...?
_____________________________

The double chronology thing was already revealed
(then confirmed by you m1) in the solfeggio thread...

123, 456, 789...

147, 258, 369...

Hidden in plain sight... ;)

[m1thr0s]

Man I'm rolling in so much occult phenomenon and knowledge these days I don't even know what to do with it...
hmmm...well I pulled the numbers out of the second set. That might be too much visual information all at once...

m1

[MythMath]

Maybe my persistent tendency to 'straighten' this thing
either horizontally or vertically, has the unintended
effect of diminishing the power level to something
more functionally appropriate...

{You both have had an unusually strong reaction to it...}

You know, I don't like superstrong cannabis either... :p

[m1thr0s]

I don't know MM, but Saturnian stuff sort of gnaws at me more than usual anyway I think...or else I am just more keyed into it or something...

m1

[Naomi]

i feel weird

[MythMath]

This tie-in to the TwinStar form plays
with the same double chronology:

postcount=64 (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=30024&postcount=64)

[m1thr0s]

i feel weirdI really like how this thing flows out in 4/4 time...that's just amazing...it's turning out to be one of the simplest physical applications I've seen yet, despite its abstract altitude, which is considerable...

This whole thing is especially geared to Macrocosm, so it may be a little top-heavy in that respect. The slants really shake your brains up a bit as well...I can easily imagine this one leaving people feeling a little dizzy and light-headed...

m1

[m1thr0s]

http://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn03.jpg

might as well look at the combined while we're at it...

{stop dave...stop, will you?}... :laugh:

m1

[MythMath]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/LSDsigilwithMirrorscopy-1.jpg

[m1thr0s]

yeah...it's interesting that we wind up getting three vertical paths in the combined...we've also got two interlocking pents at 45° angles, a unicursal hex, vesica piscis, something that looks very like an eyeball with an octagonal circumference, all kinds of interesting stuff going on here...

I'm tempted to call this one The Eye of Cronos...

m1

[Naomi]

i dunno, I've had Vishnu practically crawling out of this all day...I was scrying this cassini photograph of Saturn:

http://www.dazimua.com/images/occult/saturn.jpg (http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Newsroom/NewImages/Images/saturn_cas_lrg.jpg)
and then I couldn't get this image of Vishnu's peacock feather out of my head as being the tree of life, so I had to make this image:

http://www.dazimua.com/images/paintings/krsnatwinsnake.jpg

I have the worst meditational enviroment ever right now so I havn't looked at the mirror anymore. I can't afford to get lick the walls and ningishziddas balls crazy, and I think this mirror might do it. The overlayed one doesn't have the same effect though.

[MythMath]

The eyes have it... :yes:

[m1thr0s]

xst that's a handsome planet...I'll take one of those please...

that's my idea of a bohemian coffeehouse... :cool:

starbuck's can suck my...dust.

m1

[Naomi]

I had dreams about hell last night, all night...I was wandering around like some sort of tourist. It was like being in Silent Hill or Half-Life 2 except the monsters wern't attacking me, they were just attacking each other.
Earlier in the dream I was in this swamp with nasty black water and there were flamingos in it. The flamingos were dying and I had been talking to a blonde guy in the corner of the swamp about enviromental issues. He was really distracted though, and there were people arguing about relationship issues on the other side. I ended up in this weird building with a crowd of people who I am absolutely sure wanted to eat my brains. They were all tormenting each other or just criminally insane. Then some voice said "Anyone who touches this visitor is going to get annihilated." that made them back off. Then I walked around bopping them on the head to see if they would get annihilated. They were tormented, but it seems they were affected by my aura and calmed down, and just stood there staring at me. It was awkward so I woke up...

I know the swamp was the partially the Third Plate of Gehenna, the Mire of Mud and the city was Oreb Zaraq.

"I am Yama (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=1811), the lord of death."

Krsna, The Bhagavad Gita

(Krsna is Vishnu)

Yama is equated with Minos, the gatekeeper before the Mires and the City...

[Naomi]

xst that's a handsome planet...I'll take one of those please...

that's my idea of a bohemian coffeehouse... :cool:

starbuck's can suck my...dust.

m1

http://www.dazimua.com/images/humor/satanstarbucks.jpg

[m1thr0s]

interesting dream naomi but I'm not seeing any connection to this topic...did you think this dream had something to do with our recent discussion here?

m1

[Naomi]

Well, Saturn is traditionally associated with Hell and the reaper, there's a natural hexagon at the north pole, and Bardon's list of entities fails to list either the positive or negative spirits of both Mars and Saturn, citing that they are "too dangerous". I'm interested in what it's doing because I spend a lot of time attempting gates to other planets or drawing down their energy. 4 is also the number of death and infinity by x2. Krsna was the eighth avatar of Vishnu.

Laurie Cabot had a photograph of her coven drawing down the energy of one of the planets, and you can see these bright streams of energy coming down right into the circle which couldn't be explained by the photographer who was doing it for an article. She explained it was just the planet's energy reacting to the magnetism in the circle. She's this witch who lives in Salem.

Rediscovering the sigil of Saturn that turns on a dime is a huge deal. I've tapped into Saturnian energy before and I know how dangerous it can be just using visualization cues...

The energy pattern from yesterday I just recalled last night is following the same pattern I got when I manifested Ammit...right along the brain's central partition. Ammit is the devourer who resides by the lake of fire in Egyptian cosmology.

The two primary planets for opening a gateway to hell are Saturn and the Moon...it's my opinion that Saturn IS hell, and the entire mythology built around that domain is the way Saturn's energy manifests to most human minds, real or not.

[The Cove]

Greetings -

Played with one of the images posted by m1thr0s a few pages back - a mirror of a mirror...

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/askblog/sos1.jpg

Yo.
http://forums.abrahadabra.com/%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r39/askblog/sos1.jpg%5B/IMG%5D

[m1thr0s]

gotta love those ghosts...:cool:

m1

[MythMath]

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/LSDelementalroseblackwhiteGREEN.jpg

[Dragon]

now if you overlay the two, and shrink the 8X8 to fit the line grid of the 9X9....

[MythMath]

Dragon, could you clarify which
images you're referring to...?

If you mean posts #9 & #10,
that is how I created them...

The 8x8 grid fits on the intersecting lines
of the 9x9 grid...a further exploration
of the 'portal' between two realms...

Akin to how the Saturn kamea
'nests' within the Jupiter square...

[Dragon]

Got that...it's the planetary chessboard thing....just wanted to see it...;)

Those are excellent images.

thanks -


~D~

[Naomi]

MythMath I don't know what we'd do without you...

[MythMath]

Thanks friends, these graphic explorations feed my soul...


81 Ternary Tetragrams with 64 Binary Hexagrams

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/8x89x9Diamondscopy.jpg

[Naomi]

Man that is so weird how The Cove made that image that matches the rose one...

When you made that elemental rose, the night you posted it, I had put a big black rose background (to use as rocks) on that weird dragon tongue kissing scene I was making, and then you posted the thread with "Rose" in the title with that image and I was like woooowwwwww....

I like this new grey one it's very absorbable...the Tai Tsuan Ching

...

scary

edit:

ooh post #66 :(

[MythMath]

Is 66 bad for you (why the frown, gemini girl)...?

[Naomi]

saturn scares the shit out of me, I've seen what it can do....I don't know...give me some time....

XD

I'm still not looking at those things you made, btw...your avatar doesn't do it, it's got too much color and fade out going on I think....so it's easy to tune out...monochromatism is the nature of the subatomic...

[Naomi]

Oh you made it darker, I like that...

[m1thr0s]

saturn scares the shit out of me, I've seen what it can do....I don't know...give me some time....I can relate to that...all the really scary archetypes seem associated to Saturn in some way...the Watchers, the Elders you know...the Dead but Dreaming...

but that's only one side of things...there is also the Great Black Mother...no less scary but also not quite as quick to split your ass to ribbons just to see how they float...Buddha addresses this exact phenomena at one point...the Shredder...all linked to Saturn and Daath in certain respects. Most of this is a masculine dynamic, but Saturn has other tricks up its sleeve...

What we need at this point is more comparisons between Saturn & Moon cycles to emphasize its harmonious aspects and how these figure in...it's not all about shredding flesh and bones to ribbons...Understanding these time cycles is a good way to grasp what Saturn is after in a more harmonious vein.

m1

[MythMath]

Oh, 6th planet from the sun...

[Naomi]

You know the 72 spirits of the Goetia are probably all Saturnian...


but that's only one side of things...there is also the Great Black Mother...no less scary but also not quite as quick to split your ass to ribbons just to see how they float...Buddha addresses this exact phenomena at one point...the Shredder...all linked to Saturn and Daath in certain respects. Most of this is a masculine dynamic, but Saturn has other tricks up its sleeve...


Oh, grandma

http://www.mindwidth.com/ereshkigal/index.php?cat=3

http://www.dazimua.com/images/occult/erishikigal.jpg

Bardon sometimes said that the secrets of the occult were often hidden from view by forces beyond the veils of what we can percieve initially as existence...it's not so much the sphere of Saturn that scares me so much, as being reminded that I have the resources to tap into it and use it. Imagine if you will how Einstein or Oppenheimer (both avid readers of the Bhagavad Gita) felt when they unleashed nuclear warfare on the world. This key is just a shortcut to total oblivion and I'm a little scared of myself in some ways....

[MythMath]

"If the radiance of a thousand suns were to burst at once into the sky,
that would be like the splendor of the mighty one.

Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds."


The more correct meaning of the Sanskrit words is,

"I am Time grown old to destroy the world,
Embarked on the course of world annihilation."

(This is how J.A.B. van Buitenen translated the above passage in his version of the Bhagavadgita).

[m1thr0s]

You know the 72 spirits of the Goetia are probably all Saturnian...yeah, maybe...I gotta be honest though...that garbage doesn't even warrant my attention these days, let alone impress me...

I know everybody around here is really gawgaw over the graphics and that's really cool and everything but I'm first and foremost a Body of Light practitioner and there's a limit to these gadgets in my view...just going from toy to toy without really looking at what they do is getting a little annoying so I guess that's one area I will have to try to take up some slack in...

There's a very important principle going on with the Key of Saturn I want to point out here as regarding Daath...I am almost certain that the entire instruction in the Key of Saturn is all about how to turn around...how to go seamlessly from approaching Saturn from Below to approaching it from Above. The instruction seems to be laid right out in the Great Seal itself, so I want to take a minute to emphasize something that might actually amount to something pivotal in actual energy working...

For simplicity's sake let's just look at the numbers...

http://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn02.jpghttp://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn01.jpg

Ordinarily, the triangle is about as sacrosanct as it gets and under normal circumstances if you are starting from a central apex point drawing down to the left side you are going Widdershins back to apex no matter how many little detours you might take to get there...it's one of the guarantees built right into the Triangle and something we can almost always rely upon...but something else is occurring here. When we compare this energy pattern against the bigrams as they would normally be facing the Tree of Life, we get an exact opposite assertion from the Key of Saturn itself...in other words...it is telling us that what should ordinarily be Widdershins is now Deiseil and what would normally be Deiseil is now Widdershins and that's not a trivial thing to be stipulating...that's nothing to just gloss over lightly...that's fucking magnetics man and if you get that wrong you'll literally wind up speaking through your asshole so we need to look at it.

We could argue that we can flip things around any which way and blah blah blah and all of that is true up to a point but I know forwards from backwards with respect to the Tree of Life and the Lo Shu Diagram and I think something more profound than this is occurring. I think the Great Seal of Saturn actually is reversing polarities on us to the general effect of turning us around on our own internal axis! I think that as you work this sigil over and over again a subtle energy shift is occurring that is ultimately placing you in the position of looking back at yourself from the other side of Daath. If this is correct...this is freaking huge....this is a major yantric key here.

So I just want to point that out because with all these godamm gumballs flying every which way I think we are in danger of losing site of a few things perhaps a little more important than the rest.

Don't get me wrong..I like gumballs too...I figure it's gonna wind up being my job 9 times out of 10 so I'm just gonna go ahead and do it...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

oooh

[MythMath]

I close my eyes and I see an image,
I go to photoshop and fabricate...

I post it here as a question
that I can't ask with words...

I don't really know what is
critical vs. what is frivolous...

I am learning to discern the difference
between the 'toys' and the 'tools'...

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What does this mean...?

"Don't get me wrong..I like gumballs too...
I figure it's gonna wind up being my job 9 times
out of 10 so I'm just gonna go ahead and do it..."

[m1thr0s]

I know MM...and you're a great wealth of energy and talent. We have to sort out how to work together here, right? I don't want to limit your work and I also cannot afford to let some things pass by as even-steven with everything else.

Some things have their merits at the level of matter...other things space or time or any one of a billion various processes in life. Some things have an immediate bearing on Body of Light work at an accellerated level...right on par with Abrahadabra itself.

That's my special skill...that's the difference I was born with so when I see one of these pass by me I'm gonna flag that sucker and make sure everybody knows I've flagged it...

beyond that I can do no more...but perhaps discuss ways of implementing those things which I usually do at least a little anyway. So it's not a pissing contest and it's not a rank issue or any of that shit...

edit: rather than discuss any non-existent competition between us, I'd rather know if you are following the point I am raising with respect to the Key of Saturn itself...at the level of energy I mean...because to me it's an immediate reaction...as soon as I start working this thing I get a certain agitation from it and I think I understand what that is. But I have been test-driving these suckers for many years so I'm pretty quick at getting to the nitty gritty...not everybody is able to follow that kind of logic and it's hard to know when I am making points clear or not clear at that level.

m1

[MythMath]

Oh, I feel no essence of competition...

I'm responding instinctively to whatever
'visions' I'm receiving...intellectually
I don't have a clue what I'm doing...

Even though I was constructing paper
pyramids and swastika armbands in
6th grade (1971), I'm new to all this... :laugh:
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There is a need for you to sort these various
things out and to prioritize their value...

I welcome any and all input...
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edit (answer to your edit):

[Ahhh, cross-posting fun...]

I'm following, but like everything around here,
it's gonna take awhile to 'synch' in... :yes:

[m1thr0s]

good...it's all good then...and that's sort of what I am getting at. It's a paradoxical situation...on some level we do know what we are doing or we wouldn't be able to keep on doing it. We're building on something already ablaze internally. I have always been especially keyed into the Body, and finally the Body of Light once I began to understand that distinction...and I've been doing that for a long time now so a lot of chinks have been worked out.

But I still don't know the final outcome...don't know all the vital ingredients and the exact best way to combine them or I'd probably be cruising along at 50, 000 watts or something and I don't make such claims cuz it just ain't so... So in that sense I am still flying by the seat of my pants the same as you...

But there are some things I am uncannily good at...significantly better than the odds should render it...so I have to acknowledge that on some level I do seem to know what the fuck I'm up to here.

It would help enormously of course if I knew exactly whatever the hell it is I seem to know but I think that's just the process...we're just playing it the way it has to be played in order that everyone can ultimately share in the wealth that does ultimately follow on these meanderings.

m1

[MythMath]

BTW, heard any good mantras lately...?

I'd love to know what these things sound like... :yes:

[MythMath]

"Symbols are oracular forms–
mysterious patterns creating vortices
in the substances of the invisible world.

They are centers of a mighty force, figures pregnant
with an awful power, which, when properly fashioned,
loose fiery whirlwinds upon the earth."

—Manly P. Hall, Lectures on Ancient Philosophy, p. 356.

[m1thr0s]

BTW, heard any good mantras lately...?one of the best ways of attacking mantras is to first identify the natural beat or rhythm inherent in the yantra itself, once you begin to make it move in some way...

In all the years I have been working with the LoShu I have only just now really examined this Great Seal business and I have already mentioned that among its stunning qualities is a very clear 4/4 timing...it's unmistakable: 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 &...puts you right back at the beginning...

So the rhythm tells us certain things about what is possible at the level of sound and here we can easily determine that any 4-fold mantric formula can be easily applied to this sigil. As seems to happen so often we have another fine application for the Word of Perfection if we want it since we are not limited to just one rotation...we can run as many loops as we like...so we can build whole trigrams on this puppy if we want to both widdershins and deiseil...we can just loop them around in 4/4 time: heaven line, man line, earth line or opposite directions if we choose. This thing is wide open to mantra...it's one of the most accommodating sigils I've ever seen...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

...another fine application for the Word of Perfection if we want it since we are not limited to just one rotation...we can run as many loops as we like...so we can build whole trigrams on this puppy if we want to both widdershins and deiseil...we can just loop them around in 4/4 time: heaven line, man line, earth line or opposite directions if we choose.

This is precisely where it goes all fuzzy for me... :o_O:

More new articles with copious images, please... :laugh:

While you're working on those, I'll go
back and (re-)re-read the old ones... ;)

[m1thr0s]

yeah...I've noticed that...you seem to get stuck at the level of mantra. I've never quite understood it since you are so good at the visuals and you are also experienced with sound...so it doesn't make a lot of sense...

I think what you have to know is that with sound...less than with light...the lines between right and wrong are a little fuzzy...you pretty much need a word or phrase that serves to focus your attention in the moment but there isn't ever going to be just one perfect word or phrase that cuts it in all situations. There's a lot more mixing and matching that goes on with sound...

Really, I would just start with the count itself and see if you can get that moving comfortably...athletic and strong...Right now I have been looping 3 times --> center & ground, using the same center & ground as in abrahadabra. So 3 times widdershins, then 3 times deiseil and the final close...just to eck out the flow of the thing...

And honestly...if you can get that working we can reapproach mantra on a whole other level...looking more at what is optimal in this immediate context and altogether avoiding the idea of what is *best* in some generic sort of way. With your really powerful sigils that have the capacity of balancing whole elemental continuum, you do usually want to find formulas that roughly approximate the *4 Corners of the Universe* in some way since this is what they are capable of...so why waste that? But within this groove there are many possible options...

m1

[MythMath]

I do the count when I work with the TwinStar,
and use the words in closing, grounding, etc...

Your animations were critical guides in
informing exactly how all that works...

Most often I 'say' these silently in my head, but I'm
assuming that any real resonant/vibrational benefit
comes from actually 'verbalizing' these sounds...

Geez, a video with audio would be helpful...

Perhaps you could recommend something
that might already be on youtube, etc...?
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It's the whole 'building trigrams' thing that baffles me...

At this point, I'm merely visualizing lines
of energy/light coursing between the
points of these various yantric structures...

I don't clearly understand how to imagine/visualize
building trigrams/rings while running the lines...

[m1thr0s]

Ok...that helps to know. I guess it's time to do a topic on the Rings...

It's a lot simpler than it sounds but until you see it all laid out there must be thousands of ways to *guess* it wrong...

Tomorrow is tax day...I'll try to get something posted on the rings soon...

One of the reasons I have hesitated is that we also have to get into the whole molecular nature of fields, which, while not terribly complicated, is still a little unwieldy at junctions...fractal...things linking to other things etc...

m1

[MythMath]

Lord of the Rings... :p


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Good luck with the IRS...

[Naomi]

Are you saying I'm mother to all of these horrible devils?

Oh well...I guess there is nothing I can do about that...

[MythMath]

The inspiration for this...

http://s133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/th_LSDelementalroseblackwhiteGREEN.jpg

...was originally seen as this oscilloscope image:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/LSDelementalroseoscope.jpg

Pretty cool, huh...?

{Photo was snapped by my kymotropic kohort Judy Cole}

[Naomi]

I still don't know what a kymotrope is anyways...

I was picturing jello on slides under one of those sci fi screens from star trek that goes 'bloop' you know, it makes that sound...

So no, I don't know if it's cool or not because I have no rational sense of what it is....

[MythMath]

Message in a (Klein) bottle... (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=345)

Etymologically, kymotrope could refer to any "turning waveform"...

I coined the term to specifically identify various video recordings
made by analyzing sine (and possibly other) wave compositions
with an oscilloscope configured in X/Y mode...

Kymotropes are directly related to Lissajous figures and
especially to harmonographs, only they're cooler... :p

In their most basic form, they would appear as a glowing
green line on a black background, behind a graticular grid...

They also may appear, after processing, with various colors added
and with the original sine waves replaced with instrumental music...

[Naomi]

That doesn't make any sense but thanks for explaining....some things are unexplainable fully except in person, I think...

[MythMath]

I just noticed the 'embossed' THC trigrams
in the background of the Quick Reply and
Reply to Thread (etal.) boxes...

Have they always been there,
washing our little brains, m1...?
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Seriously, first Madison Avenue
exploits us all subliminally with their
X-rated inserts, now this...!
:p

:laugh:

[Naomi]

Omg you just noticed that? There's also lions in the bricks at the top of the forum...

This site is very weird...

Anyways the Key of Saturn seems to be working as a prybar...something to use when you other tools arn't working as efficiently...

[MythMath]

OIC, those little mithraic leos up there... :rolleyes:

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I had a strange 3-hour dream (kept waking, checking clock)
about our favorite magick square last night...


Please check out:

postcount=83 (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=35478&postcount=83)

[m1thr0s]

There's also lions in the bricks at the top of the forum...hey! that's supposed to be a secret! :mad:

Have they always been there,
washing our little brains, m1...?I have no (official) knowledge of any embossed trigrams...:p

m1

[Naomi]

m1thr0s tell the truth please

[m1thr0s]

m1thr0s tell the truth pleaseI have no (official) knowledge of any truth...:p

m1

[MythMath]

Great vid on the Borromean Rings, etc...

http://torus.math.uiuc.edu/jms/Videos/imu/rope.jpg
video (http://torus.math.uiuc.edu/jms/Videos/imu/IMULogo-big.mov)

[MythMath]

TriBall Magick

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/TriBallMagickcopy.jpg




{Myth=Art...Math=Science...}

[Naomi]

Oh, nice, you added text...