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Naomi
04-13-2008, 01:18 AM
I wanted to recount this experience I had that was pretty far out, ,since we've been skipping around the topic of time under the archetype Chronos or Cronus recently, as a group...I don't know if this is true or not, it's just what I garnered from several hundred minutes of evolved tantric meditation....I'd like other people to go ahead and share some thoughts about time. I usually go with Einstein's idea that time is relative...I think that is very much correct.

I was talking to Mahakala once, just once...you see, Mahakala is this Tibetan demon god who was assimilated into Buddhism when Buddhism arrived in Tibet. All of the native gods were suddenly made into "good guys" - dharma guardians, because Buddhism just accepts everything. Everything. Some of the Vedic philosophers will have you believe that Siddhartha, the first person known to have attained buddhahood, if there is such a thing, was actually an avatar of Vishnu, the preserver, who floats on the ocean of bliss and sustains all of the three worlds, floating on the back of his daddy, Ananta, the giant serpent who's name means "endless". They say Vishnu/Krsna created Buddhism to trick people into ceasing the killing of animals. Who knows. Who cares, really?

Mahakala Panjaratha looks like the attachment I've included.

So this conversation was triggered by the Abrahadabra system, specifically the P'an Ku mirror and the Twinstar which I use nightly.

The path to Mahakala is fraught with peril. You are out of your godamned mind if you think you can rise to the level of *timelessness* without blowing a few circuits. The Buddhist concepts of "no-self" can come in handy here as a valuable mindset. Mahakala is black, because he transcends time, like a black hole, no light escapes at all. He rescues even the most terrible beings from the lowest hells. He has fangs like a vampire, and a manicure like a freaky bat that clutches an offering bowl full of blood in it. Around his waist are tiny human heads...

The explanation he gave me about time is that from the outermost reaches of the universe, time reaches into the innermost sanctuary, like light streaking through a diamond (ie facets of geometry interacting). Matter, such as humans or even great galaxies and planets, block the light from reaching into the center, and again - no god can ever survive going to the outermost reaches of the universe. The shape of the universe is like a cat, it can curl into a ball and stretch out again. Dharma is the cause and effect of these two actions, manifesting in the great void, or again "the belly of the cat"

Again, you have already read this before....do you get it yet? Nobody can!

Great lords of time, such as Mahakala, can oversee this process by simply absorbing themselves into the constant process of capturing light. They absorb it all and it does not create reactions in them. They can absorb so much they become timeless. And then they can alter the reality of the lower worlds. They are quick, because they are not taking up time. They are completely without ego and our dharma (our dharma) is split in half because of this....it creates the imbalance or balance known as god and man. Yet in all universe, there is not a single instance known that creates this effect, except the illusion of the mind. It is the great folly of the universe that such a debate exists between god and man.

Play....

The conclusion i arrived at was that I actually don't really exist at all...considering my ego's opinions that seems rather far-fetched but it might actually be true...it feels good believing that, oddly enough...

Naomi
04-13-2008, 01:34 AM
Omg I just realized - saying Mahakala looks like that picture is about as honest as saying he looks like my houseplants. It is honest, yet rediculous! If you can see Mahakala you're probably already dead!

m1thr0s
04-13-2008, 03:50 AM
The conclusion i arrived at was that I actually don't really exist at all...considering my ego's opinions that seems rather far-fetched but it might actually be true...it feels good believing that, oddly enough...I don't trust this conclusion...even Mahakala is an expression of Self. This conclusion works at the level of Matter but not so much at the level of Being...

I think we are stuck with our existences...we can only trade up...there is no other way out. We may be splintered...fragmented...mere shadows of our True Selves on almost all levels but we cannot even hope to *not exist*...

It's too late for that now...if you can ask the question, your ass is on the hook.

m1

Naomi
04-13-2008, 11:35 AM
Nagarjuna (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagarjuna) said,

'I am not, I will not be.
I have not, I will not have.
This frightens all children,
And kills fear in the wise.'

I don't buy it either actually, but it is a useful meditation. I didn't recieve any answers to it either. My thoughts are that the way to absolute supreme is through the foundation of 'nothingness' ie neti-neti like you mentioned before "I am not this I am not that" and the counterweight "I am this I am that, I am everything"

I enjoy life immensely but I wouldn't care if I didn't exist tomorrow, it would just be.

Krsna, in the Bhagavad Gita says

“Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all
these kings; nor in the future shall any of us cease to be.”

Actually it was Shesha Ananta I was meditating on to come to that conclusion. That I don't exist except as a thought that is not seperate from Ananta and will be reabsorbed at the end of the universe. Then, i am the same as Ananta and these arn't my thoughts at all. Instead -

he is the observer
he is the one who acts
he is you and I

Amur
04-13-2008, 04:38 PM
Hmm my former girlfriend managed actually to go into timelessness by taking a shitload of psychedelics :D After that she has given quite alot of very wise knowledge :)

And then they have forbidden the ingest of psychedelics, quite odd ignorance. Christian of origin?

Luke Saint
04-13-2008, 08:36 PM
Hmm my former girlfriend managed actually to go into timelessness by taking a shitload of psychedelics :D After that she has given quite alot of very wise knowledge :)

And then they have forbidden the ingest of psychedelics, quite odd ignorance. Christian of origin?

Christian yes, but not for Christian reasons. It is more along the lines of the weight of the wallet as it were. Why are we denied the freedom to augment our minds as civil savants on the path of learning? It all goes back to marijuana, and hemp. Hemp is much cheaper to make into a palette for our writing needs than is wood. The wood harvesting companies, seeing their balls *ahem*, wallets, shrink, spent some of their past accumulated wealth to bribe politicians to hate on the drugs. From the criminalization of pot came the other, 'more enlightened' brain reagents. LSD, shrooms, peyote, DMT.... All worse than pot, THE CHEAPER PAPER, and thus bad!!

Luke Saint
04-13-2008, 09:17 PM
Amen brother maam, watch the dog's beg! (no mistake on the " ' ") There should be sexual intercourse allowed between employer and employee and their should be allowed a religion for sinners. Am I right? As a neophyte Thelemite, even I know that!!! ffs

Naomi
04-13-2008, 09:33 PM
TIME AND SPACE, PEOPLE.

http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showthread.php?t=309&highlight=drugs

Luke Saint
04-13-2008, 09:44 PM
very good post Naomi, and I say that not as an instigator or a doubter, but as one who really thinks that post is good advice...