left hand path ritual for dedication to returning to the path?

[frater luciferi]

i left my asteticism and spritual lifestyle behind almost two years ago to pursue money and greed..now im pretty much in the middle not wanting extreme poverty and that suffering but i want to retain my magickal pursuits as a veicle to empower change. not mastebatory magick. but pragmatickly applied magickal discipline, the only solution that i can find is bleeding the pigs...is there a good ritual to realign myself to a "adversarial" role?

[m1thr0s]

strange question...rather the timing of it is strange for me personally. I was visualizing a hypothetical scenario today in which the Pope comes to me (in some obviously alternate reality) and seriously wants to know what went wrong...how did all these priests become pedophiles? What can he possibly do to correct or amend a situation like that which appears to run much deeper than originally thought?

And in this hypothetical visualization I told him that he already knew the answer but because it resides at the level of certain core assumptions regarding the proper worship of Christ, he was unable to see it...that catholicism, as a methodology, had so long ago lost sight of a fundamental rule of nature that an entire diseased forest has come to replace what once was a healthy one. I reminded him that there was no real evidence to suggest that Xst himself was celibate, so that those who commit themselves to following the standard of Xst by means of an extreme self-imposed celibacy were not following the standard of Xst at all, but rather some makeshift protocol of righteousness that neither Xst nor Man could ever successfully adopt without becoming psychologically damaged and disfigured in the process...

You really want to stop all this pedophile crap? Stop forcing your priests to adhere to a standard both unnatural and unrighteous.

And of course he rejected my advise, whining that it was just too much too late, so I collected my fee and went on my way...

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I don't know about any such *ritual* but I sure as hell wouldn't trust it. Rather I would be looking to those core assumptions that may have led you to the conclusion that spiritual and material wealth must somehow always be at odds. Whatever ritual can be derived will need to address that core assumption because it isn't actually true...that's just the way things have been structured for us without anyone asking us jack shit about it either way.

I don't think too much about money and I am no expert when it comes to material wealth but I understand the reasons in my case and they are all of them circumstantial and none of them reflective of any fixed philosophical position of my own. Sometimes the pursuit of one's art and money are not favorably aligned when perhaps months or years later they are. Since money alone cannot define true wealth, one may be forced on occasion to make a choice between a path leading to spiritual poverty vs a path leading to physical poverty...but the latter is not a permanent condition...it can be amended on-the-fly, whereas the former is almost always irreversible and fatal.

So I think your answer must be closer than it seems.

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Keep pope alive... :p

[Sibylle]

I think you need your magickal pursuits to work toward change, and you may be just in the right place to make it happen. You are in the adversarial role, as am I, but I think the ritual is in the scenario. You do what you have to do, but you do it your own way, and fashion your methods according to your own rules.

I do have to say again that need is not greed, and at least in America, huge amounts of money are needed for survival - mostly because of the lack of a basic welfare system and the monstrous health care industry that sends people into bankruptcy for minimal amounts of extremely inadequate care. While we do have to temper our responses to this system, we should seek to make the most of it - and if you find yourself on the inside, you may be in the best position to spark change.

[frater luciferi]

i do alright right not..i am relatively well off as an eccentric. my goal is to have my own buisness where i resell tasty vintage items. at least it would be an enviromentally sustainable buisness and i can still live within my own ethics. im really big on sustainability right now. but im also huge on bohemian culture so im fine..now if i could make a living off my art? i would be in paradise ten times over..i'd love to move back to sandpoint idaho and live in a cabin and write novels..but thats only for the lucky ones i guess.

[m1thr0s]

you lived in sandpoint? I've never been there but it's pretty famous...sort of the velvet hippie capital of the rocky mountain west I suppose (just rumors)...

didn't realize it had gotten so expensive to live there though...

xst...olympia's bad enough...

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[Naomi]

I hated Sandpoint, personally, it's pretty fucking racist there. At one point in the 70's the whole godamned Aryan nation decided they were going to make Northern Idaho their homeland. Library was shit...the stretch of highway I lived on was cared for by the local KKK...nice huh....anyways....

[m1thr0s]

huh...that's strange...never heard that report on sandpoint. I have a few friends who have lived there and they all seemed to really like it...

guess I have no way to judge for myself though...

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[frater luciferi]

ok to clear this up---there used to be a compound in hayden lake just over by cour de lane idaho.. a small one with no more then 200? people who would live there at any time. their land was siezed by the state? for some reason i think..i think it was property taxes? anyway a very small percentage of people in north idaho gain a huge buzz becuase they are arianists--ie the name aryan nation..you know white seperatists?

everyone in idaho hates those guys because they have tarnished north idaho forever with that whole looming image that people get..

its much the same as saying that everyone from norway listens to black metal..its a small percentage at best and is grossly overblown due to the controversial nature of their "lifestyle" and "politics".

otherwise sandpoint was like a hippie mecca for a while..lovely little town on a beautiful lake..lots of great country.

[frater luciferi]

my next stop will be bellingham for sure. i am hoping to hole up their in a communal house and go back to school for something like computers or journalism..would love to learn how to do graphic design.

[deviadah]

The only true wealth is health... everything else is just side-effects!

Writing novels in a cabin in the woods is a dream many writers have, and not so difficult to achieve. My suggestion is that you work like a scum for a year, save all the money you earn and then rent a cabin in the woods in a cheap country and you can probably live there for at least two years writing daily.

Then when you return to society you'll have plenty of material to submit for publishing, or self-publishing, and at least one tome should gain you some income!

And if not then do it all over again... to quote m1thr0s:
Perseverance Furthers
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[Neshamah]

Maybe I'm mistunderstanding this thread, if so, please feel free to correct me.

Being one that doesn't believe in 'extremes' of any sort, it just makes sense to me that a BALANCE of LHP and RHP are necessary for walking "The Path." Even the ancient Egyptians seemed to have followed this 'rule;' for instance, here is a picture of a depiction of the coronation of Ramses II:

http://neshamah.zoints.com/image/81028-SetandHoruswithRamsesII

On the Left is Set, and on the Right is Horus. Perhaps Ramses II is supposed to epitomize the working balance between these two Deities.

Just a thought . . . ;)

For a Peace Profound.

Neshamah

[m1thr0s]

sure have missed your insights around here Neshamah...great to have you back...

I suppose we have to acknowledge a difference of emphasis at least, but just as soon as you get into the details, the lines begin to blur...

and in the end there is either a balance or a bias still working itself out, as far as I know at least...

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