New Mirror: Great Seal of Saturn

[m1thr0s]

http://abrahadabra.com/images/seal-of-saturn-combined.jpg

Note: This is still just a draft but I wanted to have all these elements in one place so they could be examined together.

The central image is cool but it's not the coolest image we've seen around here by half...it's *coolness* is not its important quality so much as its instruction value. It simply informs us of what we get (structurally) when we combine both rotations, and its three vertical *pillars* is a remarkable turn of events...not to be dismissed lightly cuz that's actually a pretty big deal...

Lots of information embedded in this one but it's not a done deal graphically yet...like I said, I've just been aching to see all this stuff together in one convenient place...

The image at the very top is the classical western magickal tradition's Great Seal of Saturn. At the very bottom is its inverse. Everything else is Lo Shu calculations, numerical, geomantic and sigil...

bon appetit,

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

ok...

wow that's a lot to take in...I'm going to need a little time with this.

This looks fabulous. Great colors, and wow what a background.

[MythMath]

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It's kinda weird seeing all of them like that...

I draw this thing a few times a day on my fridge's dry erase memoboard...

I 'recharge' it periodically when I walk through the kitchen...

Mundane Magick, indeed... ;)

[m1thr0s]

The actual meditation thing I'm employing isn't complicated at all...it's just the numbers method, converted over to the *one-and-two-and-three-and-four-and...* unicursal repeat. I really like the numbers method for basic structural analysis because you can explore the inner workings without getting too personally involved. The left side tables should go along with a counter-clockwise circular pattern for centering/grounding...right side tables go along with a clockwise rotations...

left side should be yielding ascending and right side descending energies but there are some twists in this one so observe things closely...all is not exactly as expected. One thing is sure...its altitude is serious business. This thing is definitely banging on Saturn's door one way or the other...

m1

[MythMath]

What kind of 'results' have you been getting...?

[m1thr0s]

Earthquake stuff so far, heavy rumble...there's a lot of backlog on this puppy...the 4/4 time technique is useful in that regard...keeps a good strong timing and is musical in nature...

Saturn appears to be a lot more musical than I thought it was...I'm not sure why that should surprize me since *sound* is said to be the outstanding quality of the 5th Chakra corresponding to throat = Daath = Saturn via the Tree of Life...

note: the way I set this mirror up, you've also got a fall-back position if things get too intense via the LoShu tables...you can also run Hexagram of the Planets patterns between all 6 + 1 tables, using whatever unicursal hex mantras and scry patterns you like. This can be helpful and is no coincidence...that is...I set it up that way on purpose. It's good to have lots of options when targeting very high altitudes...

m1

[MythMath]

Ok, this is rather strange and it's late, and all...

But I was just running the sigil,
and I had a strong flashback...

I was reminded of a time (1971 again) when
I would periodically practice 'signing' this:
http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/Hitsig.jpg

I never understood why I learned to do it,
let alone why I repeated doing it... :no:

[m1thr0s]

I'm having trouble making it out MM...is it a name you know or something? Or maybe one you don't know?

m1

[MythMath]

I came across the signature at school in the
1970 ed. of the World Book Encyclopedia...

The article was the entry for Hitler...

The article also featured a symbol
that captivated me...I suppose it's
merely coincidental that the swastika
is 'built over' the LoShu diagram... :eek:

{post #9, btw}

[m1thr0s]

hmmm...I have no idea for sure but that's very interesting. It's after 3AM here so maybe I'll think of something later...

It seems like some kind of psychic keying mechanism though. Sensitives are famous for this stuff and it often occurs on a subconscious level mostly...keying into the psychic signatures of certain people who may have played a pivotal role in history can also be a way of unlocking entire panoramas of data corresponding to those keys...

It doesn't mean you're the reincarnation of Adolph Hitler for instance, though people sometimes do put that kind of spin on things. It's not an especially common thing, that's certain...but it's also not a completely isolated thing...

very interesting though...you seem to have been tasking on this stuff for some time...

m1

[MythMath]

I just found this link looking up the Hex of the Planets:

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/enoch/hexagram2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/enoch/enoch2.htm&h=300&w=300&sz=18&hl=en&start=3&um=1&tbnid=fbHja0590vgDXM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=116&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dhexagram%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bplanets%26um%3D 1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/TOL/hexagram.jpg

It has many pertinent images including this one:

http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/enoch/MagicSquarefiguresr.jpg

And this 3D depiction of the FoL:

http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/enoch/cubeof3.jpg http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/enoch/flower_of_life.jpg

And even this:

http://www.geocities.com/jussaymoe/enoch/pg334.gif

I going to bed...what sort of dreams am I in for...? :laugh:

[Naomi]

Look under the gallerie, second column, second row.

http://enenuru.net/html/main_html/mainframe.htm

[MythMath]

I guess I might mention this time
of year is rather significant re: AH...

born: April 20, 1889
died: April 30, 1945

And I may as well point out, to dispel any potential
confusion, that I've never been a proponent of the
man nor any of the associated nefarious activities...

And as m1 pointed out,
I'm probably not his reincarnation... :laugh:
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Today Abrahadabra.com,
tomorrow the World...! :p

[m1thr0s]

I'm not sure yet what the special application of this key would be but it isn't trivial...there's something really big going on with this thing. Like the TwinStar, we get a synergistic *1 + 1 = 3* dynamic going on since the resulting Octagonal Star is a significantly different structure than either of its component parts.

We also get a very similar kind of action going on with the drawing down against 1, which would logically center at 5 when running sets intended to break off at some point...say when we go to center and ground any particular rotational set. So this is also interesting because it balances out very similarly to the TwinStar.

The 4/4 timing allows that we can run the entire Word of Perfection in 3 rotations: I don't have time to do the extended article on that right now so the short form goes something like this:

Beginning at the Top and treating the distance between any two points as a whole count:
1-2=*one* | 2-3=*and* | 3-4=*two* | 4-6=*and* (no need to stop at 5) | 6-7=*three* | 7-8=*and* | 8-9=*four* | 9-1=*and*...to complete the loop. To stop the looping, complete 9-1, fall back to 5 and hover there...

It shouldn't take very many passes for this to become quite easy to do. If you are rhythmically impaired or seem to have other issues going on, just keep working on it and this should all work itself out eventually.

So...to link the Word of Perfection, we're just going to follow the same 4/4 time, replacing *and*'s with an extended sounding of letters.

• For the Heaven Line (AHIH) we would just count out:
*AH* (=one-and) | *UH* (=two-and) | *EEH* (=three-and) | *UH* (=four-and)

• For the Man Line (AHVH) we would just count out:
*AH* (=one-and) | *UH* (=two-and) | *OH* (=three-and) | *UH* (=four-and)

• For the Earth Line (IHVH) we would just count out:
*EEH* (=one-and) | *UH* (=two-and) | *OH* (=three-and) | *UH* (=four-and)

...where the pronunciation *UH* is carrying the H's...

In this way we can use the Great Seal of Saturn to build trigrams if we choose and I would recommend practicing three-fold loops + center & ground actions as a precursor to building trigrams. We can build on either the Binary or Ternary sides of the aisle here since the only difference is that the Ternary includes Man Line values where the Binary has none...

But I will return at another time and try to make the building of trigrammal fields more lucid.

And in the meantime, bear in mind that this is just an application of specific value to Mutational Alchemy since we do want to be able to build elemental fields based upon conscious light & sound criterion such as the Word of Perfection provides. But there are other options going on here than this alone...

m1thr0s

[m1thr0s]

One of the things I like about this thing so far is that it puts some very hard questions right at you, if you're paying any attention at all. It seems to have a great deal of authority on its own side and so I get this kind of attitude from it...like *who the fuck are you?* sort of thing...which I happen to like, personally...let's me know I've got something on the other end of the line...

But some of these questions are a serious bitch to answer...I don't have all of the answers just yet and that's a good thing too...there's stuff to be sorted out here so no sleeping at the wheel on this one... :cool:

m1

[MythMath]

Thanks for laying this out, m1thr0s...

It's finally starting to gel...

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Quite the unique collection of
powertools being amassed here...

Say, have you ever thought of writing a book... :laugh:

[Naomi]

Ah that's that thing that kept asserting itself to me, it was the seal of Mars...couldn't really tell until now looking at the old grimoire...

I like how the revamped sigil has that sickle appearance to it...

[m1thr0s]

Thanks for laying this out, m1thr0s...

It's finally starting to gel...oh good...I imagine just asking the questions you need to ask is probably the shortest distance for now...

For years I've just been creating the fields via the circle and there's nothing wrong with doing that but this is an unexpected innovation that has the advantage of uniting the entire LoShu with every pass...so it's definitely piqued my interest...

Quite the unique collection of
powertools being amassed here... yeah...I'd say so, and it's not just the tools themselves that is exciting. I think we are also coming into a sense of how to summons and shape those tools as needed...

so we're not just finding killer chariots lying by the side of the road so much as we are actually building these things...test-driving, tweaking...engineering them etc...

exactly what needs to happen.

m1

[MythMath]

I've been working a bit with your dice method
for selecting energy fields/tetragams:

Divining with three 10-sided dice (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=2051&postcount=3)

Could you suggest the way to work all this together...?

Such as, would I cast for a single tetragram (or 2, or 3)...?

If only a single, would I build this tetragram in one
direction, then 'switch seals' and run it the other way...?

Etc...

[m1thr0s]

First we need to decide what type of reading to take. In general, I have typically advised people to start with the 64 binary hexagrams because these have the greatest amount of background support so it's not difficult to learn a little something about the response you may get. The dice can handle either binary or ternary readings. On the binary side we would typically build from the bottom to the top and treat the dice as you would coins...odds=yangs - evens=yins. all yangs carry a numerical value of 3. all yins=2.

2+2+2= 6 = a *running* yin
2+2+3= 7 = a stable yang
3+3+2= 8 = a stable yin
3+3+3= 9 = a *running* yang

get your lines one at a time until you have all six.

to convert a hexagram to an elemental field it needs to be evenly sectioned into 4 parts, balanced together as some kind of *pair*, but it is permissible to pair a thing with itself, allowing you to focus on that hexagram and nothing else. It is inadvisable to pair with *changing hexagrams* on the basis of running lines at the beginning. Ultimately anything can be paired with anything else but this gets confusing very quickly and so isn't the best way to get anchored in the process. It is also possible to pair with a thing's apparent opposite but this will alter your context and you will then be operating within Tree Fields. The best place to begin is with the structures themselves.

So we have our hexagram and we have paired it against itself and now we have two of the same hexagram paired side-to-side...one trigram corresponding to each quadrant of the circle. How do we *build* this thing?

A little backgrounding is required to answer all the questions pertaining to *why* we do things one way and not another and I don't have time to delve into all of that now, so I will confine myself to telling you what is done and we can hash out the why in route...

We will be building our 4-part hexagrammal fields aligned as closely as possible with the inertia properties of the two directions of the circle, and we are assuming a general rule of inertia stipulating that counter-clockwise rotations are yin rotations that are rooted in the below and *aspire* to the above. Clockwise rotations are yang rotations, rooted in the above that *aspire* to the below. We judge this *aspiration* to be implicated in numbers as indicated in the four pillars by example. So we are not talking about simple gravitational properties here so much as chronological progressions...how things *change* from one state to another, essentially.

Earth is our normal anchor point so we will always want to begin from earth and return to it as well. We will first build our elemental field from the bottom up, moving from left-to-right. When we have a yin line we will assign it the Yin Word = IHVH. If we have a Yang Line we will assign it the Yang Word=AHIH. In the binary system we will have no Jen Lines, so the Jen is relegated to a background relationship in the binaries. One counter-clockwise rotation=one line value, so it will take 3 ccw rotations to give us our first trigram...these are continuous and flow without interruption one into the next. We draw from Crown and return to Crown with our Mantras but visualize the Lines being built from bottom-to-top. If we have 3 yin lines, we will run 3 rotations = I-H-V-H | I-H-V-H | I-H-V-H...back to Crown in Mantra but constructed Bottom-to-Top in lines. At the completion of one whole trigram we will insert a simple lock-action which is a straight drop from Crown to Tiphareth pronounced *Tau*, proceeding to Earth as *Hé* and floating back silently to Center where we begin building the next trigram.

We have four unique trigrams to build, so we repeat this process 4 times counter-clockwise and at the end of the fourth lock-down we close off with a full Circle & Triangle sweep A-V-M-GN (circle) | A-H-V-H (triangle) | Tau --> Hé (drop and center). And that's it...we have built our Yin field...

The Yang field simply flows in the reverse direction starting from top-to-bottom, progressing right-to-left, so our first Yang trigram will be the upper right-hand trigram facing our field head-on.

Now here is something I have not yet discussed but it has to be discussed regarding the mechanics of actually building these fields.

There are two (most) essential forms of each Mantra we need to be aware of.

From top-to-bottom these are:
Heaven: AHIH (Ascending) and AIHH (Descending)
Man: AHVH (Ascending) and AVHH (Descending)
Earth: IHVH (Ascending) and IVHH (Descending)

The reasons for this are well considered and there is much historical documentation confirming it, but suffice it to say for now that Bigrammaton itself defines all of this and at another place and time I will lay out sufficient proofs to demonstrate this protocol convincingly. I am a dedicated minimalist personally so I make every conceivable effort not to engage anything that isn't rooted in necessity.

All this really means is that when we build our descending lines, we will be employing the descending pronunciations. The line values do not change, but their pronunciations do. If our first three lines are all yang yines, we will once again be drawing from Crown and returning to Crown in the Mantras, sweeping in a clockwise direction with A-I-H-H | A-I-H-H | A-I-H-H back to Crown in the Mantras while descending top-to-bottom, right-to-left in lines. As before, we run our lock-downs with each completed trigram: Tau --> Hé, floating back to Center. At the end of 4 lock-downs we will run a Clockwise Sweep of Circle & Triangle: A-V-M-GN (circle) | A-H-V-H (triangle | Tau --> Hé (drop and center). This concludes our Yang field construction.

And finally at the very end we simply repeat the last Circle & Triangle sweep for the final close. This whole *formality* of the final close is much more economical than it is cosmetic...we are not just generating power here but also consecrating, stabilizing, honing and securing it. These little *formal* observances finally result in an enginery that is astute at all times and is mindful of itself as well as others. Look to the martial arts for parallels regarding the strength that comes from certain ritualistic observances of this kind.

So...that's a lot I know but it's actually not as convoluted as it may seem. It all becomes very smooth and very automatic in fairly short order...although I don't think there is any denying that a whole-on school would be very useful to all of us...it's not just you all...it would be a big advantage to me as well. For right now we'll just to have to make do with what we've got and angle our way to better days I think...

m1thr0s

ps...questions are certainly ok...

[MythMath]

OK, thanks...

This oughta keep us busy for a while...

Could you give a sneak-preview of the chapter that
discusses how to apply this to the Saturn Seals...?

Oh, also with the ternaries, would a tetragram
be subdivided into two bigrams and then paired
with a second subdivided tetragram...?

[m1thr0s]

Could you give a sneak-preview of the chapter that
discusses how to apply this to the Saturn Seals...?well...I already have, but I guess it isn't clear. Using the Great Seal of Saturn, you would just construct your *rings* on the key itself...everything else remains exactly the same...the lock-downs, drop & center, circle & triangle...all the same. The difference is mainly one of having an additional focal element engaged that is hyphenating Saturn (and thus the *intelligence* of Daath)...

But the LoShu is just a squared form of the Tetractys, so it's really all about the same thing anyway...

We can discuss this as much as needed but that's about the gist of it...

m1thr0s

[MythMath]

I edited in the bit about the ternaries...

Just wondering how to split up the tetras...

[m1thr0s]

yeah...bigrams above and below. With the ternaries I would tend to recommend balancing paired opposites according to how they normally interact with each other but this isn't crucial...it's all fair game...all allowable...

locks and finishing stuff is all the same as well...

on either side of the fence the nuclears are an especially powerful practice but we started out discussing how to build from a reading, which is also very dynamic stuff...

coolbeans...keep us posted MM...the thing is to advance into some hardcore physicality really...it's important to bring this stuff out of the head and into the body.

m1

[m1thr0s]

I'm tempted at this point to want to enter into another kind of discussion regarding where *magick* really comes from and what we should and should not expect from even the best possible tools...but it's a difficult conversation to say the least...especially in this kind of environment.

In essence, what I want to point out is that none of these tools actually make anything happen...that's not how it works. What causes the *miraculous* to occur is something outside the realm of analytical scrutiny...we don't really know what causes this and we may never know...it is the Great Mystery Principle itself in action.

So why bother with all these structures? The Mind itself is a machine of sorts and in order for it to be able to reach the correct *asana*, certain logistical conditions have to be met that enable it to operate freely in a contradiction-free environment. When we set about to simulate something like anatomical *completion*, the Mind has all kinds of objections it can't wait to interject, so we need a caliber of systems that addresses each and every one of those concerns...*correctly* as it were...so that all these issues are resolved internally and can be validated at will...

But for all of that perfection which goes down at an enormous cost and ultimately unites all the generations of Man into its tally by the time it finally succeeds...in a sense...it is worth nothing, if by its worth we mean to suggest that this will immediately produce the goal that we are after. It will not. But what it does do is to provide a platform...very much like an operating system...in which the *miraculous* itself is known to occur. So what we call magick, at the level of methodology, is a little like the business of wooing. The finest dance that the Berlepschs Six-Wired Bird of Paradise can perform will not guarantee him a successful mating, but one thing is sure: without it he doesn't stand a prayer in hell, whereas with it his odds are at least 50-50, if not a bit better than that.

To some extent, we are dealing with the same kinds of evolutionary criterion on a much more accelerated level. The tools we use have to be good...better than good really...they have to be the best that the Mind itself can summons and anything less than this will simply run our odds of success right into the dirt. Yet the tools themselves do not produce that success. So this is both a hard truth and an amazing one at the same time I think. And I am not suggesting we should in any way be discouraged by having access to incredibly potent tools because we absolutely require them and they do set the stage like nothing else will do.

Most of us know this anyway I think...moreso in this crowd than most others anyway. I only mention it as a reminder that all of this has been taken into account in the development of these tools and while I might make many claims as to the quality of these systems where those claims strike me as legitimate...I do not for an instant imagine that any system, no matter how good it is, can actually produce *completion* itself. We don't know for sure what accomplishes this and we probably never will know until at least one of us gets there first and can (perhaps) finally explain it all to the rest of us.

There is no substitute for the adage: "Maximum Inertia - Minimum Stress". This is what we can achieve with these systems.

YouTube - Berlepschs six-wired Bird of Paradise of Papau New Guinea


m1thr0s

[MythMath]

Thanks for your energy here...

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The hammer requires the carpenter to raise the house...

And the carpenter certainly prefers not to be hammerless...

[Luke Saint]

This is why I'm so trepid to post in these threads, though I'd love to. I see the sign of Saturn at the 12 and 6 'O Clock positions.... But what is the meditation involved? Just simple compteplation and thought on the icons? Or is there deeper understanding to be sought? I am genuinely interested and would like to know more.

[m1thr0s]

well there's all kinds of possibilities Luke Saint. From the broadest yantra (or mandala) standpoint, one only need to gawk at any enlightened symbol to derive something from it. Depending on how different people are wired (which varies a lot!), different kinds of conditions enter into things that may not apply to all. In this immediate thread I am addressing certain scrying procedures as they relate to a specific model of reality as I know it...namely this whole Mutational Alchemy business...and Abrahadabra by default.

So that's pretty much what is going on right here...tracing these patterns out using specific mantras as guides, much as you might trace out a pentagram or any other magickal symbol, using some combination of visualization & mantric technique...

For myself, this classes as a form of *alchemical projection* and can be superimposed on talismans or shewstones or any external objects as well as worked entirely internally...it is thus a bona fide form of reality creation, *causing change to occur in conformity with will*...

and a little difficult to completely explain from scratch... :cool:

m1

[Luke Saint]

I hear ya. (pregnant words if ever I could utter such) My thanks M1, I shall keep that in mind.

[m1thr0s]

Or is there deeper understanding to be sought?I should have addressed this better. The answer is yes, most definitely. Whether we are speaking in terms of alchemical projection, magickal ritual, or tantric assimilation, there are always an active and a passive sides to scrying itself. On the one hand we have the notion of active energy *weaving*, while on the other we are also always observing, or *gazing* into the continuums we weave. And in fact, this *gazing* activity can go down with little to no action at all, but lacks a certain dynamism accessible through action.

So yeah...I think we are always hedging on gleaning out *hidden* properties and higher levels of understanding...it just sort of goes along with the territory. It's one of the few methods we have set aside for specifically training the intuitive faculty.

Meditation has gotten a bum rap in western culture generally...it's a lot more diverse than just sitting around in silence hoping to somehow merge with everything in some ambiguous (ie mindless) sort of way. That's a very narrow view of Meditation shoved quite forcibly down everybody's throat to no good purpose. It can be very active, very focused, very task-oriented, and very *populated*, for that matter. Magick and Alchemy are sort of in the vanguard of reigniting our sense of what is possible in terms of the greater art & science of meditation itself...

It's not what your parents think it is... :no:

Although - surprisingly - your grandparents or great grandparents may sometimes have a clue...

m1

[MythMath]

Hey m1,

I've been working with all of this for a few days now and I've got
some questions on these points that I still don't understand:

1. I understand that the Yin lines are visualized being
built from Bottom-to-Top, but what do you mean by
'moving left-to-right' in this context...?

2. When doing the 'simple lock action' would I pronounce 'Tau'
at the Center/5-point and the say 'He' at the 9-point or do
I 'drop through/go past' the 9-point...?

3. After floating back silently to Center,
how do I conceptualize starting from Center,
but starting the actual count at One...?

4. The diagrams on the right are the Yang rotations,
but why/how are they said to be 'clockwise'...?

5. Why, in the Circle & Triangle, do you show
A-H-V-H instead of A-H-V-A (for the Triangle)...?

In this animation (and others) it is shown as A-H-V-A:
http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar.final.close.htm

6. I'm still just working with the Binaries for now but,
with the Ternaries if Yin lines goes b-t/l-r/widder and
Yang lines go t-b/r-l/clockwise, which way do Jen lines go...?

[m1thr0s]

Hey m1,

I've been working with all of this for a few days now and I've got
some questions on these points that I still don't understand:

1. I understand that the Yin lines are visualized being
built from Bottom-to-Top, but what do you mean by
'moving left-to-right' in this context...?widdershins generally corresponds to a L-->R direction, deiseil to a R-->L direction. Here we are building two structures, side to side. On the Yin side build the left first, then the right. Reverse that on the Yang side.

2. When doing the 'simple lock action' would I pronounce 'Tau'
at the Center/5-point and the say 'He' at the 9-point or do
I 'drop through/go past' the 9-point...?The Hé should pierce 10 (kingdom on the Tree) and simulate an infinity drop, then float back to center (also 10 in the Tetractys). This is an active drop so throw energy into it...it's more like a dive, actually. Not reckless though...strong and deliberate...unbounded...

3. After floating back silently to Center,
how do I conceptualize starting from Center,
but starting the actual count at One...?yes.

4. The diagrams on the right are the Yang rotations,
but why/how are they said to be 'clockwise'...?same direction as conventional wallclocks rotate...I suppose some more digitally acclimated viewers might actually not know that.

5. Why, in the Circle & Triangle, do you show
A-H-V-H instead of A-H-V-A (for the Triangle)...?

In this animation (and others) it is shown as A-H-V-A:
http://www.abrahadabra.com/twinstar.final.close.htm good question - qabbalistic answer. The Hé balancing Aleph is sometimes expressed as a passive Aleph, usually to emphasize a certain numeration value. The Formula Hua - Athh = 418 (12 + 406 in Aiq Bkr) and Hua has been defined as a proper name of the ascending triangle. Now Hua also corresponds directly to the Jen line so we have options on this one, we can say AHVH or we can say AHVA and both things actually amount to the same thing. The main difference here is that we are also dropping into Th-h from the same exact coordinate (in Crown), so it is easier to express the passive Aleph as an Aleph. But if you understand what is occurring, AHVH is actually preferred...resolve on the Hé but take out on the Aleph etc... In an attempt not to confuse, I seem to have confused...

6. I'm still just working with the Binaries for now but,
with the Ternaries if Yin lines goes b-t/l-r/widder and
Yang lines go t-b/r-l/clockwise, which way do Jen lines go...?Jens are perfectly bidirectional as defined in the LoShu itself. In general, if you are working on the Yin side, treat them as Yins...on the Yang side as Yangs...

Good Questions MM...hope the answers are clear.

m1

[MythMath]

...hope the answers are clear.

Not really, let me try again...

1. Regarding Left-to-Right/Right-to-Left:

Are you referring to the direction of reading the pair of
'quarter-sectioned' Hexagrams themselves...?

2. I understand the 'pierce the 10' on the Tree,
but do I also pierce the 9 on the Saturn Glyph...?

3. So I kinda 'float past' the Center toward One, then start
the count, saying 'ONE' when I land on the 2-point...?

4. I understand the analog-clock-analogy, but when running the
lines on the Saturn Seal, the directions seem 'backwards'...?

5. So, think 'H' but pronounce 'Ahh'...?

6. I think I get this one, I'll check back in
when I start working with the Jens... ;)

[m1thr0s]

Not really, let me try again...

1. Regarding Left-to-Right/Right-to-Left:

Are you referring to the direction of reading the pair of
'quarter-sectioned' Hexagrams themselves...?yeah...if you are using the key of saturn to build these structures, the structures are your talismanic constant. The key is being superimposed over them but the structures themselves are what you are building...so you would be ticking the lines off just as they stand. In this case the fields become the mirrors, since what you see as left is left etc...

2. I understand the 'pierce the 10' on the Tree,
but do I also pierce the 9 on the Saturn Glyph...?yeah, sorry, the 3 pillars overwhelms me to some extent...the Tree is there at the level of its geometry but yes...same deal with 9. Use the final *and* as your guide back I think but consider the blast to go all the way through...an infinity drop as I said before. Very similar to lightning bolts this one.

3. So I kinda 'float past' the Center toward One, then start
the count, saying 'ONE' when I land on the 2-point...?No...use the 5 however it best serves you. In the floatback...rest at 5. 5=Center on the Key. Then do your reach to 1, but start your count on the downbeat from 1-2. Don't choke on upbeats with this. Downbeats rule the roost so use that to its best advantage. I think if you can really get focused on the downbeats, everything else should just fall into place. 5 is mutable...use it however it suits you.

4. I understand the analog-clock-analogy, but when running the
lines on the Saturn Seal, the directions seem 'backwards'...?yes, they do...but we are not backwards and we are not facing the LoShu from the backside either...it has to do with infinity loops...I've run into this before...sometimes they seem to be going backwards. It's a puzzle...something for the mind to engage in. It should be studied but the actions performed are right with the Tree and they are right by every compass coordinates relevant to us...so unless or until I have proof positive that things are are not as they should be I will stay the course as I know it and recommend the same to others.

5. So, think 'H' but pronounce 'Ahh'...?yup.

6. I think I get this one, I'll check back in
when I start working with the Jens... ;)cool...

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[MythMath]

Thanks...

Ultimately, I'd like to try to animate some of this...

(Unless you'd be willing to do it...)

But unlike the TwinStar animation that shows the points
'lighting up', I think the 'paths' should be shown in motion...

What're your thoughts on this...?

It would also be great to use a voice-over
(your voice) to help clarify the rhythm, etc... ;)

[m1thr0s]

yeah...I think it needs animation...

re: directions...I'm not a closed book on this one (first of all) but we are dealing in squares here and they can be tricky when we start superimposing organics. We're following the numbers but we want to align with an anatomical physics best suited to our own bodies. I am currently of the opinion that the downbeats tell the whole story here and what are they telling us? Look to the final actions in particular...the downbeats between 8-9...these are correct with our usual understandings and these are dominant actions...dominant beats. In the Yin the final is a hard downbeat slicing left to right...just as it should be. Again the Yang is a hard downbeat slicing right to left just as it should be. This amounts to a formidable argument all by itself but there are other factors to weigh in as well...

So far...everything I've got says it's right just as we have it here...there's always room for more information but I am scanning this shit pretty hard...I think the appearance of running backwards is actually a simple trick in the gridding...it's mainly to do with magickal squares themselves and the rules chronologies have to follow in these contexts...

But you know...blast it through...the truth will out so just stay on it...

I have not once in my life cowered over the possibility of doing something incorrectly...I think that whole conversation is pathetic personally (not yours and mine...I am thinking of recent things I read by melchezedick in particular). It's silly to hold up a train like this on the anal fixation of doing things backwards...what harm do they imagine will occur? I know these tools very very well...when in doubt...throttle down, man...these things are self-correcting...

But all in all...I don't see anything actually amiss here anyway.

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[MythMath]

Hey man, I am a Gemini named Bob...

There is no backward where I am... :laugh:

[m1thr0s]

rofl...milk it dood... :laugh:

what the hell, if a bubble needs to pop it'll pop and we'll all be the wiser for it...

you just can't let trivial concerns screw up the process of discovery...inventors are messy people by in large...they make big ugly messes as a rule and thus come to a more intimate understanding of their various crafts...

you just have to keep ahead of what you're doing the best you can...

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[MythMath]

What do you think of the idea of augmenting
(or replacing) the spoken mantras with, say,
sinewave tones that would retain the unique,
individualized characteristics of the vocalizations...?

[m1thr0s]

f*ck-if-I-know...but this is a human tech ultimately and it's more about engaging the mind, so I would probably be sort of skeptical of what might come off like some sort of push-button immortality...

I am very interested in how conventional tech can play into things so don't get me wrong on that score...but these days every damn thing is driving us but us and I think that this is a huge problem...we need to sort out the balance between human tech and machine tech...

So unless people can somehow generate these sine waves themselves using their own creative faculties to do it, I would think it might just wind up being a fancified lava lamp... Fun trip toy but where's the *will* in this?

Maybe a sine-wand of some kind...I'm not saying it couldn't be sorted out...

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[MythMath]

You raise good points...keepin' it real... ;)

I was nudging this thing toward a potential
kymotropic structure of some sort, 'naturally'...

________________

Hey, maybe a vocoder...!

Do you believe in life after love...? :laugh:


Domo arigato, Mister m1thr0s...

[m1thr0s]

I have always thought that mirror tech held out the possibility of being sound and light tools of a very high order, but the tech I envision is only half baked so far as I know...crystal encoding and all of that and the wand idea may actually turn out to be the proactive element...the stylus or whatever...

But it's way out there on the cusp of my imagination...I can sort of see it working but don't have a clue what or how...

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[MythMath]

Yeah, I think that the idea of the practitioner interacting
with some type of animated display may prove effective...

Definitely incorporating some type of sound/voice (mantra)
and possibly integrating the kymotropic images (as yantra)...

Another aspect of this animated, hybrid approach is that
the meditation could be practiced in unison by a group...

Not a bad method of introducing/teaching this tech, either...

3D/IMAX TwinStar, anyone... :laugh:

[Naomi]

:stars:I don't quite understand everything that is being discussed here, and may I add, it's really confusing to listen to, but go figure, if you can't understand it it's probably not for you, so I'll take it on another day.

[m1thr0s]

yeah, maybe...but if we don't know what it is you don't understand, we can't really do too much about it, so it's sort of your call I think...

mainly this is all fairly conventional scrying talk at a fairly unconventional altitude, but the nuts and bolts are really all about the same...

you don't seem to have done much physical scrying work naomi...that's not a criticism since people do have different methods but it may be why a lot of this stuff seems so confusing.

but even that...I'm not really sure...it's not confusing to me! :cool:

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[Naomi]

Well, what do you think is wrong?

[m1thr0s]

I think that a lot of what seems to be my *mission* in life is not only about hammering out this whole star thesis, but in a broader sense is all about convincing people that scrying is ok! Not only ok...but actually a superior way to go about the business of meditation generally.

We seem to have developed a peculiar psychosis in the west...it's ok to talk to your pooka, discreetly or not-so-discreetly (as in the case of televangelism...) but scrying is decidedly not ok...yet one is passive (one might argue passive-aggressive) while the other is direct and hands-on, and you can still talk to your pooka anyway, so what the fuck is the problem?

I think the problem is that we've been brainwashed into thinking that taking the initiative is never ok when the matter turns to things *spiritual*...

and that's just plain stupid and altogether erroneous...

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[Naomi]

I think the problem is that we've been brainwashed into thinking that taking the initiative is never ok when the matter turns to things *spiritual*...

Well...yes....but I don't think I've ever had a problem doing whatever I want. Then again, maybe I have too much godamned freedom now and I'm freaking out about it, though I wouldn't know, I'm clueless as to how to define that from where I am. Maybe it's like pushing on the wall, and the wall finally comes down, and you're what - staring at a massive expanse of desert and don't know where to go...

That could be the reason why I grabbed onto Ng at all, he just happened to be there when I broke through and then I had nothing else to occupy myself for a moment. That might be good, because the only thing I can think of to apply this stuff to is causing mayhem and earthquakes and lava and all sorts of natural disasters...i can't understand why but somehow this intelligence was telling me not to partake in all of that ludicrous mayhem? I shouldn't listen, I guess...but well I'm just too confused to figure out my next move.

I guess that makes me weaker willed than Ng, even if he is a phucking pooka...(are you sure about that?)

Ok back to the really dumb question at hand...what is scrying, anyways, how do you define it as it is?

[m1thr0s]

I only use the term *pooka* to emphasize a point...

scrying...tracing...spirit drawing...weaving...assorted other terms...denotes an active form of visualization involving imagining, and then moving a *sum* of energy from Point A to Point B, according to some predetermined talismanic property or symbolic representation (pentagram, circle, triangle, etc). It is the most fundamental form of esoteric reality-creation known to humankind...it is how one may go about the business of *building* astral structures of any kind and also how one may attempt to *simulate* anatomical perfection itself. There are all kinds of variations on its theme...visualizing red blood cells becoming white and so on...already commonly employed in alternative (and even mainstream) medicine etc...

yet when I speak with occultists about this I often seem to get this blank puppy-dog expression!

It's a very curious thing but I place no real judgment on it, save only that it bookmarks a general deficiency in most people's understandings of what can be done...in a very physical sort of way...to achieve many of the stated goals of occult philosophy itself...such as *raising the foundation* of man, for instance...

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[Naomi]

OH I get it...

Thanks. This conversation is disturbing...

[m1thr0s]

The Abra system, generally, is much about building a kind of house, or *island* as it were...a tangible energy platform whose rules are as solid and rational as any of the laws of nature...In Abrahadabra, as in Trigrammaton generally, we build the Body Perfect and channel against this ongoing creation towards the end-goal of what has been called *Completion*...

Not that it ever really ends...but this is fundamentally a transhumanistic sort of tech...so we are actively interested in realizing a greater physiological transmutation...a literal changing of *lead into gold* etc...without being altogether certain what all of this may amount to I should add. One way or another, it would eventually amount to a significantly enhanced energy abundance as well as the ability to access Universal Nature in ways that are otherwise sealed off to us and would fry us to a cinder anyway without the advent of some solid higher framework to act as mediator...a kind of armor in that sense (note the chariot symbolism).

Thanks. This conversation is disturbing...good...if it doesn't *disturb* it isn't registering at all...

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[m1thr0s]

you have experienced what strikes me as a launch naomi...but you may not yet fully comprehend what this implies. It can be lost...in a sense...not always lost, but in the immediate it can still get away from you. A lot of what needs to be accomplished has to do with securing that foundation...that's what a lot of this work is really about...securing it and ultimately controlling it with pinpoint precision...

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[Naomi]

yeah, hard ride....sturdy, though

It's interesting how this whole technology unearths almost all of the old topics and artifacts themselves, requiring them to even function properly. If you don't know the meaning of these symbols traditonally, it STILL works, and you get a chance to rediscover this later in retrospect - but in transit, forget it, it runs on base elements as far as I know, you can take this mind and body technology onto a spacecraft and still be able to have all of the tools with you as long as you have a body. It's just that simple, and it's drawing from someplace else apart from the world of man and earth, it's fucking drawing on heaven itself. I don't know how it's doing it or why, but I'd like to figure out how to persuade the technology to cough up some more upgrades, although with each passing phase the oncoming weave becomes harder to understand and assimilate. You have to catch it just right. So a lot of it is timing, I'd wager, and how to incorporate these unknown onslaughts using the right tool for the right thing, and when not to use certain tools.

I still don't know exactly what the two trees are doing, although I know it's potent and powerful, the guesses I have are pretty foggy at best...

I'll be back later, to read your next reply you inserted there, I have to take a shower.:coffee: Hmm...no yawn smiley...mmmk :bedazzled:

(I'm sleepy, not bored...I'm trying to concentrate on this)

[m1thr0s]

well...it's big, so people's personal explorations might go anywhere at all. My job...or the task I've undertaken...is to attempt to consolidate the basics into a comprehensive whole. But the variant possibilities are as numerous as atoms themselves as near as I can tell...

I'm not 100% certain that the TwinTrees is the most profitable way to go...just so you know. I have logged it mainly because I can't dislodge it but it complicates things more than I think may be useful...

The P'an Ku I am certain of...it follows the logic of the Tree to the penny. It conforms to the traditional Tai Hsuan Ching flawlessly. The Nu Kua is essentially contrarian and I don't altogether trust it and I am not convinced it is absolutely required...

It was there at the time so I logged it...

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[Naomi]

Getting from point A to point B is a simple matter of following everything step by step. For whatever reason - karma or dharma - I think subroutines going from point A to point C to get to point B are required, especially if you want to make as little of a mess as possible.

So it seems to me that despite the apparent abrupt and violent nature of these tools, it is only as dangerous as going for a really fast roller coaster (ignoring that there is such a thing as roller coaster accidents)

If it comes to a halt, maybe an internal checklist of what is in the way could come in handy periodically. Otherwise we can't really gauge the target very well, or we lose track of it somewhat.

So, what I really mean to say is, if you've got the chariot it will only move if your will has a place to go...where taking Shakespeare out of context actually has some real meaningful application "now is the winter of our discontent"

gotta run...I want to address this other junk in my mind but it will just have to wait...

[m1thr0s]

For whatever reason - karma or dharma - I think subroutines going from point A to point C to get to point B are required, especially if you want to make as little of a mess as possible.two steps forward, one step back...absolutely...that's how we learned to walk, talk, you name it...

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[Naomi]

I'm thinking maybe I keep overshooting the goal...

"OK you want everything, here you go"

"Now what?"

:\ I think my perspective is....fine....what I need is a goal...the right goal...since I havn't had one I've just been doing a step-by-step grope in the dark with the Tree of Life (via the P'an Ku which enables rapid transferals of energy) and going where my nose leads which is really what I always did before, but I get the feeling the hexagrams plot via binary language so it's a much quicker route, yet I have no real idea of where I am going except for a handful of common denominators - Ng mostly, and upheaval as well as theft, or rather, taking back what is rightfully Kether's and replacing shells with substance...

Still, I have a few bookmarks as I go along, so when i do come back down I at least know which page I left off...

I really think the Nu Kua mirror is important, just a guess....it's definately got a unique flavor.

[m1thr0s]

*everything* sounds pretty cool but I don't think I need it all at once.
within maybe the last 10 years or so I have become a lot more interested in *the next thing*...
seems to me if you got pretty good at nailing that on a regular basis *everything* would just naturally fall into place when the time and situation was right for it...
it's a little harder to pull a bead on *the next thing* than *everything*, strangely enough, but there are some pretty good clues scattered about...it's just that nobody much seems to believe in them. All things considered, that may actually be the best of all possible worlds though...

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[Naomi]

Yeah i don't have a frigging clue how to plot just the next thing, brain's too scattered...it's probably mostly coming down to sensory input, of which Saturn is a dominant force in both percieving and controlling...being so intimate with the hells or shells. I'm not saying this key will exacerbate the problem, quite the contrary, I rather think where this is all leading is to encasing the senses in chains so they can be driven towards a higher purpose, that is the traditional attribute of Saturn and the gold there is in accepting this as a precious commodity and not the doom and gloom everyone gets into with the planet. It's great being a kid when you don't have the burden of old dusty texts to tell you Saturn is some kind of burden, it's not...it's a powerful weapon and ally if you can get over yourself enough to accomodate it.

Krsna states repeatedly that the fall back into the material pool is caused by sense perception, so powerful are the engagement systems for feeling pleasure or displeasure.

As tantrics we want the best of both worlds and we can have that but it's so tricky to pinpoint the exact spot that carries us through unscathed and without forcing us into becoming monks.

I keep coming back to Hexagram 64, as in "you've gone too far" alot of it is about missing chances, but they always keep coming back in so perhaps astute observations are the clearest way towards victory. Anyways that popped into mind when you mentioned the clues...

[m1thr0s]

a surprising number of variables are deducible by process of elimination alone. too many human problems are directly associated to their confined humanness to be dismissed as moot. Yet we face extreme hazards diving off into space before we are ready to do so and our technology has not been focused on resolving these kinds of problems because tyrants, in general, really don't want to encourage an off-earth standard of civilization. They know godamm well that it wouldn't take but a generation or two before any such group of humans would secede from earth authority altogether since that authority is literally criminally insane and once this could be observed indisputably for what it is...no one in their right mind would suffer it if they had any choice at all.

Off-earth colonies would very soon have that choice...but again...we are not really anatomically suited to making that kind of transition just yet...

It happens that the Abra system is addressing that issue ahead of the curve, though people generally don't see this or else don't recognize the power it commands towards this exact issue. The future rulers of earth will most likely not be rooted in earth at all but rather, like the mythological *gods* before them, be rooted in *heaven* (ie, the heavens)...

There are many things suggesting this and of course it runs against the earth-muffin grain in things to suggest it, but as I have said...some things are a matter of due process and a simple process of elimination will eventually resolve any of those questions...it suits me just fine that people would not believe it though...what they don't know or won't believe generally can't hurt me anyway.

nor is it necessary to subscribe to these projections to derive some definite benefit from this emerging praeter-human tech...so yeah, I do think Saturn is calling the shots here in more ways than people even vaguely suspect. I can say that the recent plasma-sun theory is one of the most lucid theories to come along in many years defining what is actually going on with this whole Abrahadabra business at the human level...we are pooling from our surounding *aethers* here in no uncertain terms. This eventually becomes evidenced as a bona fide energy supplemental tech that can radically accelerate human beings ability to adapt to space itself...our first and final *mother*, afterall...

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[Naomi]

I definately recognize it, you know, the first thing I noticed about the *Spaciness* of it was when I stopped associating with gravity, there was a period of time where I could not percieve up or down and my body was relaxed enough go into weird distorted forms without missing a beat, and the only thing similar to this effect is the nature of the bodily system in the absence of gravity, where one no longer percieves up or down until you press hard on your feet to re-establish a "normal" feeling. In actual outer space we are more stars in the sense of omnidirectional focus than anywhere else...except through the meditational practices discovered through meditation on the abrahadabra grids.

The triangles have a lot to do with this I think, it incorporates a solid foundation in the ethereal without destabilizing consciousness itself into the watery world of the hells, whereas with any circular meditation you're just going to loop back down into the underworld. Does that make sense? good lord.

I'm very excited about the plasmic sun/electric universe theory myself, it's far more than outstanding, in fact, I only see alot of good coming from that collection of thoughts....

So WOAH earth muffins, there's a terrible name...

[m1thr0s]

So WOAH earth muffins, there's a terrible name...well, for what it's worth, the future Kings and Queens of earth are quite committed to that particular *muffin*...
but we are choking it to death and this cannot inherit...

If any space program in this morbid little asylum had any brains at all, they would be funding me to the godamm teeth to develop this thing unimpeded...but they don't, so I won't hold my breath in expectation...but there is ample evidence to show that simply hanging out in space itself is sufficient environmental stimulus to crank this puppy up to full throttle...space is actually the ultimate hallucinogenic so far as the human brain is concerned...

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[Naomi]

Ooh we need an anti-gravity simulator

I wonder where you can buy one of those?

[m1thr0s]

it's only partially a question of gravity...light and sound play a huge role as well. do you know what happens to the optic nerve after a couple of months in space? all of a sudden the naked eye can see nearly as well as the hubble telescope...and there is the so-called music of the spheres to weigh in, solar winds etc...these things impact consciousness in a huge way...

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[Naomi]

No, I didn't know that...I wish I could go up and check it out, but I guess I'll have to make do with the tools here on the ground, at least until space flights get cheaper...

:\

[m1thr0s]

right...and that's another can-o-worms completely...
as it stands, we may have to make a mad dash for it just to save our asses from our own godamm stupidity...
but I am not confined to that environment...it just happens to be the ultimate mutational alchemy laboratory...

knowing this may help somewhat with sorting out the *what*...the *next step* as we were discussing...
I don't really have any idea what will happen here...too may variables to be sure...but I do have some idea where Abrahadabra itself is pointed.

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[Naomi]

mmmm power power power....

I just had to say that.

[m1thr0s]

yes, power of course...but also sophistication, curiously enough...we have certain assumptions...all of us do...sometimes these work against us...screw up our abilities to capitalize on what we've really got...those things need to come down, each in their turn...

then we can steer our course more effectively...

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[Naomi]

Something going on here is the polishing of the shadow sides....abrahadabra is doing this anyways, yet the Saturn key really seems to affirm those parts of the psyche that have always been shunned by humanity. These are not necessarily bad at all on a universal viewplane, but they do distort power so that many of us are not actually being all we can be.

Saturn seems to be saying it knows how to utilize and reward our shadow side more than anything. This I went over with the P'an Ku mirror as well but Saturn seems to be approaching that facet directly.

Earlier you said something about earthquake stuff, what did you mean by that exactly?

[m1thr0s]

Earlier you said something about earthquake stuff, what did you mean by that exactly?exactly??? that wasn't an exact sort of assessment...just an energy read...the key of saturn has a lot of history behind it...a lot of time in circulation...and in all that time, how many people do you suppose have come along and asserted its principle correctly? So in working through these simple meditations I get a sense of a great deal of power backed up behind this particular door...literally busting loose at the seams in some respects...there's a backlog on this thing and it seems to be aching to cut loose.

my initial sense of the consequence of that is one of shaking a lot of shit up...but I don't really know in what way exactly...so it's not an exact sort of commentary...

I have a recommendation on this one though: I recommend charging it up until it feels like it's about to blow and then try switching to the Opener for awhile...I still prefer Ptah for this but use whatever you like. The way I run this is very simple...just like with rings you run a counterclockwise circle (A-V-M-GN), followed by the ascending half of the Triangle (A-H-V-H) but instead of the straight drop you pull the energy hard in to your lips, following the sign of Harpocrates (thumb against lips) using an abbreviated word (I use *PT* for this)...then a straight shot forward using the whole word *PTAH!*...then complete the drop (A-Th-H)...then run another (widdershins) circle and triangle to settle it down. Next run the same actions Deiseil, step for step and conclude with a final closing action...

**note** don't exaggerate your shot...strong and deliberate...not fast and emotional...not hurried, but very sure...you can sort of tell when you're making an ass of yourself with the go-command...it needs to be strong but also cool and detached...even clinical... :3biggrin:

Why? I think this thing needs to be directed externally...it's that backlog again...it needs to get its ass out there and run amok...I think this is a powerful blasting tool and I tend to try to do with these things what they seem to want done with them in most cases...this thing wants to strike (ie, engage) on some level. But you know...as always...do whatever seems best to you to do...

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[Naomi]

I don't know all of this stuff, I really need to see this in person...lol

I'm going to use the short-bus demon for now :3sad:

You never did explain the go command, and for the record, I did ask...

afk crying...oh there's no emoticon for that.

LOL crying isn't allowed on Abrahadabra.com!!!!

[m1thr0s]

it's been discussed in pieces...it's really just a redirection of energy focused externally. I am always very hesitant to try to tell people exactly how to do these things since there are examples out there already via ritual magick and other avenues...

But the go-command is very useful in certain situations...

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[Naomi]

That is extremely friggin annoying m1thr0s, how the fuck am i suppose to know what the "go" command is while coming from the tantric/chod or for instance, aghori camps? It's completely delusional to assume I'm going to rationally go out and assume a retarded membership at OTO just to find out about this mysterious concept...

Is it that friggin necessary, if you can name drop some organization that will explain all of the missing parts i need to assimilate this then be my guest, I'll go and sign up right away..however, in case you havn't noticed this stuff is scattered in a million different kinds of rituals in more than a dozen major schools of magick, and none of it ever really clicked with me anyways, I got what I needed from my own self education in bloody highschool...

rawr

[m1thr0s]

paralysis by analysis is the phrase that comes to mind here. the *go* is just my personal rhetoric for something that exists almost everywhere you find people working with energy itself. nobody taught it to me...it just became self-evident over time working with energy hands-on. probably the most visual example of it is in the martial arts, like kung fu or tai chi etc...it just involves drawing energy down...then inwards to a central *bandha (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bandha)* or lock position...exploding outward in a focused strike action of some kind...which in this case is just a kind of forward thrust, as if with a knife or sword or wand, etc. then you need to smooth things out a bit after the strike, so you throw in another center & ground action to achieve this...it really isn't all that big a deal but is still a powerful action to have on tap...it can be used any time you want to physically direct a field of energy to some external target. physical distance is irrelevant by the way, so long as you can visualize the coordinates in some way...even a picture of a place or person without knowing exactly where it is...

people don't really need me to demonstrate every little thing...it's ok to experiment and it's ok to do it wrong...contrary to what may sometimes seem to be the case, most of these kinds of errors are not fatal...not life-threatening...do not invoke black magick or the antichton or any of that crap...these are just simple coordination strategies that get hammered out primarily through doing them...much as we learn to walk or talk without tripping over ourselves in the process...

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[m1thr0s]

That is extremely friggin annoying m1thr0s, how the fuck am i suppose to know what the "go" command is while coming from the tantric/chod or for instance, aghori camps? It's completely delusional to assume I'm going to rationally go out and assume a retarded membership at OTO just to find out about this mysterious concept...yeah, it probably would be completely delusional, if I actually *assumed* such a thing...

so...you're telling me you never heard of *evokation*? and you think I should take more responsibility for telling you how this works, right? but how you go about *sending forth* anything is going to boil down to what works for you and I really don't own any patent on that process (nor does anyone else that I know of)...I use this very sparingly and don't discuss it all that much and probably have the least faith in it of anything I might ever do, but I do employ it occasionally for strictly athletic/academic purposes...because some things really seem to need to get out there and run...so I have a means of facilitating that as needed...

I recommend considering this with the Key of Saturn but if you don't know how this works then you should probably look into evokation techniques a little more, including tantric and martial arts equivalents. It's really not that big a deal, and no, I never said I was the only person who could teach this stuff...that's just flat ridiculous. I may be the only person who can tell you how to do certain things that I might do, but I really prefer to stick to generic principles as much as possible and not get overly dragged into personal techniques. It seems to me the further down that road I go, the more buried I become by it all...

m1

[MythMath]

I can't help but think of
this star tetrahedron form
as inter-related to the LoShu:

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/StarTetrahedroninCubecopy.jpg
It is essentially a 3-dimensional expression of
the same 8-around-1 architecture...

One could imagine the Saturn sigil being
projected around within this form...

Weaving the leylines to and from the center point
of each of the eight stellated tetrahedra...

Or maybe not...

[m1thr0s]

depends on what you're after maybe...two dimensions has a way of bypassing 3 altogether in certain instances and going straight into 4...

I think that in a lot of scrying work that's sort of what you're shooting for, while 3d parameters are still there, though perhaps changing form with shifts in focus et al...

m1

[MythMath]

Well, it keeps staring at me... :rolleyes:



Eye of Cronos with Star Tetrahedron

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/StarTetrahedraandChronusEyecopy.jpg



Eye of Cronos with Star Tetrahedron {alternate view}

http://i133.photobucket.com/albums/q48/MythMath/StarTetrahedraandChronusEye2copy.jpg

{the colors used in these two graphics are for contrast only and
are not intended to correspond with the graphic in post #76}

[m1thr0s]

Hey...the Cronos thingy rocks.

You're getting quite the collection going on here...I've totally lost count at this point.

Ever envision going really BIG with this stuff? Make a great gallery walk by now...

m1

[MythMath]

Scroll all the way down:

missionignition.net magicsquares (http://missionignition.net/sacred_geometry/magicsquares.php)

[m1thr0s]

interesting...

and here I thought we were just balancing Mind & Matter...

Space & Time...Light & Sound et al...

m1

[MythMath]

Time for some Ternaries based on the LoShu Cube:

TriChromatic Sigil (http://forums.abrahadabra.com/showpost.php?p=36541&postcount=5)

[Raphael]

2+2+2= 6 = a *running* yin
2+2+3= 7 = a stable yang
3+3+2= 8 = a stable yin
3+3+3= 9 = a *running* yang



...and all music can be composed using 2's and 3's.

i.e. The meter is usually described as 12 = 3+2+2+3+2 time, but in musical performance, the metric 3s may be divided into four notes, and because of the speed, the metric accents may sound more like 3+4+3+2.http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l280/kachina2012/Plato.jpg


Let me ask you a question regarding the above sketch.
Re: Plato's Cube

Where have I seen that cube before?
Looks very very familiar.
Was it the silvery cube called the Allspark in last year's summer blockbuster hit the Transformers?

http://www.moviesnobs.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/allspark.jpg

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l280/kachina2012/Plato.jpghttp://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l280/kachina2012/Kaaba1.jpg



Or did Plato envision it in MecCa?
Is Plato's Cube the veiled granite stone called the Ka'bah?
Yes those pesky Muslims and their Allah are indeed a problem to the western philosopher who would be king.
Coincidences I assure you.
:o_O:

namaste

Raphael