Meet Your Meat: Video

[m1thr0s]

pretty disturbing video from PETA...

http://www.meat.org/

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from an activism standpoint my biggest issue with this presentation is that it's playing so hard to the extreme negative end of the spectrum that most people will just blot it right out of their heads...

when you bomb people with this stuff you need to try to open up some options instead of just expecting everybody to puke up their lunch and stop eating meat forever...

there is such a thing as humane meat production standards, for instance, or else there would be if enough people insisted upon it. I think that this whole mindset of callous butchery for profit is more appalling than anything else. If that's the only way people can manage things, then they have no natural right to manage them at all.

But in general, this is the kind of crap that's going on very prevalently right now in the good ole usa...

m1thr0s

[Naomi]

Well, China too, and the UK to be fair, and anywhere else humans raise livestock for whatever reason is going to ultimately be cruel. The whole idea of raising anything seems to unbalanced to me. People are crippled though, we no longer teach our kids how to hunt or fish, or gut and skin an animal, nor produce the tasty foods you can make out of animal parts, like, haggis for instance....

I've seen the video more than a few times and showed it to my kids, I think everyone needs to watch it before they eat meat, because, you know, you're putting that psychic energy in your body when you nosh on a chicken patty...some meat just tastes sick.

Anyways I like hot dogs though...I don't know how to make them though. I do know how to survive in the wilderness but hell it takes a lot of work and time. I'd like to see some kind of reform here but it's going to take people going on a diet where they only eat as much meat as they need.

People are cruel, and if you eat meat, you're partaking in that cruelty in some form, whether you choose to believe it or not. I don't let it really get to me, I've seen enough to know that friction is inevitable in the world, but I do try my best not to overindulge, as I say, food is a means not an end in itself. I think that most people try to use food as an emotional filler and that's where we go wrong, because there's no other option for a great many people, food is really their only way of coping with reality. And flesh tastes good...it does....

[m1thr0s]

yeah, the cruelty factor with humans is way off the map...and how terribly proud they are of that...it's what really distinguishes them from the rest of nature afterall...stupid, pointless, selfish cruelty...and humans are better at this than anybody!

and at bottom, they still want somebody to wipe their godamm asses and sing them to fucking sleep...it's really quite pathetic.

If we are not stars, then we are most definitely, all the way, fucked. :eek:

m1thr0s

[frater luciferi]

ive had friends who were vegans who got me to give up meat..and i do a lot of labor type work, well you can only guess that my health went to total shit because i was in no way getting close to the proper amount of protein and other nutrients i needed...blah blah blah..but i mean how many vegans do you know that do labor work lol....its a good sedentary diet for people who are sedentary...

funny thing is ironically enough a lot of vegans that i know are classist..or social darwinists to some degree, so i guess they want us to be humane to the animals but screw the plight of the working man..makes me that much more hungry for bacon lol...

[Naomi]

yeah, the cruelty factor with humans is way off the map...and how terribly proud they are of that...it's what really distinguishes them from the rest of nature afterall...stupid, pointless, selfish cruelty...and humans are better at this than anybody!

and at bottom, they still want somebody to wipe their godamm asses and sing them to fucking sleep...it's really quite pathetic.

If we are not stars, then we are most definitely, all the way, fucked. :eek:

m1thr0s


lol, that's clever....

Yeah, well, in India, Tibet and China amongst the Buddhist sects they believe if you eat meat, you're going to be reborn as a tiger, always craving flesh...well it's all symbological as far as I'm concerned, but really, think about it. If we eat meat the way we do we really deserve to live in a wilder sort of state, more like the zombies on the movie I Am Legend, for instance...that's the only sort of existence that could justify us as in harmony with nature...you can only come out at night and never get to see the sun....

Anyways I had a quarter pounder this morning....mmm downer cows...

I still feel pretty in balance to be quite honest...it was either the cow or the two squirrels having sex in the front yard tree this morning....

All we can really do is trust that we can watch our own karma and be responsible for it. Some people choose to go vegan and I respect that, but if you're making yourself sick because of it, mentally or physically, then how the hell is that balanced either?

anyways...

[m1thr0s]

ive had friends who were vegans who got me to give up meat..and i do a lot of labor type work, well you can only guess that my health went to total shit because i was in no way getting close to the proper amount of protein and other nutrients i needed...blah blah blah..but i mean how many vegans do you know that do labor work lol....its a good sedentary diet for people who are sedentary...well it shouldn't be approached like some kind of new age religion, that's for sure...it sounds to me like your friend drew you in and then abandoned you to your own devises and that's pretty chickenshit actually...you would have needed more help than many figuring out how to make it all work.

I'm no expert but I actually do know a number of very active hard-working people in Olympia that are vegans, but you have to kind of relearn food and I'm not the expert on this stuff myself. I do know that protein itself is not as big a problem as you might think...it's one of the most abundant properties in foods of all kinds. Certain vitamins are a little more challenging (b12 and so on) but it's all doable without having to go hungry and eat freaking lettuce all the time...

It's not my job to try to sell the idea though...I eat meat as well, though nowhere near as much as I used to. But I do know that a lot is rooted in misunderstanding and the rest is rooted in addiction itself...meat is an extremely addicting sort of food source and the body will typically put up a pretty good fight to keep it going...

I think the problem we see depicted in the video is due to people overindulging more than anything else. The meat industry has invested untold trillions of dollars to convince everybody that they need meat 3 times a day plus snacks... that just isn't true for anybody. That kind of out-of-control situation in the industry is the result of gluttony on a mass scale, which is also why so many people are willing to turn a blind eye to it.

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[frater luciferi]

i guess in retrospect its hard to transition ones diet..especially when your doing hard physical labor and such...i dont really blame them i guess, it was just scary how fast my health went downhill trying to take on a totally new diet paradigm and not really knowing shit about it at all..you know..if someone is going to help convert someone from one diet to a totally new one they should at least teach them some essentials...it was basically though--meat is evil, you need to stop eating meat , and after that i was left to hang...later on after some heavy research i managed to adjust my diet enough but nothing really can replace animal protein as far as slow burning fuel..maybe refried beans lol, i learned a lot about that from some mexican migrant workers who taught me the joys of some of the finer points of hispanic cuisine. :)