Gender Issues who's right

[IsissisI]

This topic is about what is society’s box; it came into being because my meeting of quite a few close-minded people on the occult circuit. So I pose you this questions is being Gay, bi, Transsexual ect Wrong and if so why. Now my second question, have you ever thought that maybe u refuse to accept them because society said so in turn wouldn’t that make you an hypocrite as society also believes all occultist’s are evil devil worshiping people who commit acts of incredible evil. Or is what society says about occultists only incorrect because it applies to you, and that having no gender issues yourself automatically makes it wrong?

[m1thr0s]

People's sexual preferences don't much register with me one way or the next I guess. So long as people can be respectful of my space I have no problem extending them the same courtesy. I don't particularly relate to being hit on but even that...you can just say...hey look...thanks but no thanks...

So what's the big deal...people have been experimenting with sexuality ever since this whole civilization thing got started...and if it's your true nature to run against the norm in some way, what can you do...you can be a miserable phoney or just be who you are and take your chances...

The latter choice is much more worthy of respect in my view...

m1thr0s

[fr.novumorganum]

I'm not sure I can follow too much of you line of thinking, especially in those last two sentences, however, I feel sexuality is a private matter, and I do not let society's tunnel-vision determine my feelings.

[Luciftias]

Sounds like you're raging out, IsissisI. Your second question is loaded with the assumpton that we reject people based on their sexual identity. I don't think you're going to have much success in finding people here to vent your frustration against in that regard. The occult tends to attract free thinkers and taboo breakers. Sure, there are lots of close-minded occultists out there, which you've obviously encountered, but this forum in particular is focused along unconventional lines - lots of LHP practitioners here for instance. So welcome and enjoy the atmosphere! Come on in, the waters' warm. lol

[IsissisI]

Yes I must say I havent found people to be kind, rather the opposite. But anyway Im a water elemental so Ill join in. lol, as in my strongest element is water.

[m1thr0s]

lol...we've been lucky around here so far that's all. We've sort of geared things a bit to the so-called "elite" and little by little they seem to be finding us...

I understand who you're raging at...there's just not many of them here.

but hey...there's always other topics!

m1thr0s

[Copuldaemon]

This topic is about what is society’s box; it came into being because my meeting of quite a few close-minded people on the occult circuit. So I pose you this questions is being Gay, bi, Transsexual ect Wrong and if so why.
Personally, I don't think it's wrong because in another aspect, someone might feel that being born of the "negro" race is wrong and therefore, an actual sin against god.
On my myspace page, I had a request from a transgender/sexual and it's funny how I found this post because eversince learning of this fellow/female?, I have seen transexual gangbang adds while I was shopping for my local filth.
Anyway, he/she requested to be added because of the satanic/LHP association I figure and the old me would of been like hell nah, but then I thought in the aspect of how could I be like that when it's possible that many look at me as a freak of nature for my many tastes that don't seem to be astuient with the profile of my racial features.
But I do have say this though. Alot of people, I'm guessing, don't like the ideas of gays being around them not so much for their preferences but for the fear of being hit on or approached by them and I have found that gay people do hit on straight people and hit on them hard.
I have witnessed quite a few bad scenarios due to this and I think they do this because they are so desperate due to lonliness or something that they figure that they have to try something but that also signs their death warrant with many and most people. You don't have to like what I've said but I have seen some scenarios go down which wasn't cool.

"Now my second question, have you ever thought that maybe u refuse to accept them because society said so in turn wouldn’t that make you an hypocrite as society also believes all occultist’s are evil devil worshiping people who commit acts of incredible evil."-
I take stuff like that not too seriously because these days, you can be a Neo-Nazi and a satanist which is rediculous when you think about if a great etheric prototype cares about races issues, and then you have KKK who burn the crosses calling themselves Christians when they don't like Jews, and it goes on and on and on. So the point to that is, names don't have any traditional definations that outlasts time for the meaning of a name or a word changes as people seem fit.

Or is what society says about occultists only incorrect because it applies to you, and that having no gender issues yourself automatically makes it wrong?
-On this not, screw society until she gets a Cell 24 type anal cream pie! I never cared to fit into the systematic mold and I don't care to now. And rather than saying something cliche of our wierdo/outsider cast to sound cool, let me point out that I suffered for such and that to master myself, I had to learn to mingle with the flock to get my leg of lamb.
But yeah, not to get pollitical but let's just say that people hate the current administration for all the ill's the administration has brung which in truth there was no surprise with that one, and then there' s the serious issue of global warming but alas, no one get's these people out of office, and no one is trying to do anything to change the atmos so why would I care about what they (who I have nothing to do with, yet we are involved in their BULLSH+T) think of me?

[Naomi]

No there's nothing wrong with it. There are some specific occult issues relating to the different energy work associated with each.

That doesn't make it wrong, just different, and interesting to study.

My father was homosexual and native americans traditionally accepted gays as holy people for reasons I am not fully aware of yet.

It's an interesting subject which I revisit from time to time, and there are some interesting clues on this subject left in Aleister Crowley's work.

I myself am bi, but very very picky. :D

[Radiant Star]

I myself am bi, but very very picky. :D
I understand this so well.

I have never fully settled on a label for myself but very picky sounds perfect :yes:

[Ci Celli Ddu]

I understand this so well.

I have never fully settled on a label for myself but very picky sounds perfect :yes:

Ah to be able to be picky...I wonder what that feels like...

[Radiant Star]

Ah to be able to be picky...I wonder what that feels like...

Honestly?

Well, I have had many people interested in dating me of both sexes, but I have never had romance high on my list; what it means in reality is that I have probably missed out on a lot of love. Sad but true.

[YsetEternal]

Well, being a postop trans myself, I know all too well the pressures and attitudes of sexuality out there. The problem is gender is inherently a condition of the mind that takes precidence over one physical genitalia.

Peope often just lump us in with the homosexual labels and this to me is the thing that really pisses me off. Being trans isnt about sex and sexual preference as where being Gay, Lesbian & Bi is, in most cases.

Funny thing though, in my experience, I was never attracted to women before, but now that I am more fully me, and the longer I am on hormones, the more attractive women are becoming.

Go figure!

[Ci Celli Ddu]

Honestly?

Well, I have had many people interested in dating me of both sexes, but I have never had romance high on my list; what it means in reality is that I have probably missed out on a lot of love. Sad but true.

Well, in a way I suppose I am in fact picky. I don't look for it and I rarely acknowledge interest from others (mainly because I don't expect it). It's British Culture that's the problem. The whole rigmarole of body language and small talk, coupled with the fact that everything has to happen in the pub. I lived in Spain where people really know how to socialise, where the pub is just one part of how you socialise (not the be-all and end-all), and where people are generally more open and, well, sociable. Oh, and I have bad teeth (The dentist situation here is ridiculous), which is another reason not to bother.

[Radiant Star]

Oh, and I have bad teeth (The dentist situation here is ridiculous), which is another reason not to bother.
There are things about me that I think are offputting, I expect I make too much of them, I think we all do that to some extent.

Funny thing though, in my experience, I was never attracted to women before, but now that I am more fully me, and the longer I am on hormones, the more attractive women are becoming.

Go figure!

That is surprising, do you know why this has happened?

[YsetEternal]

you know Ricci, I have no idea... Perhaps because when men arent around every woman is a bit of a lesbian? ;) LOL... a saying my friend uses often.

Actually, I think it just the fact that at times men drive me to the brink of hating them quite often. Though I must say, I am almost 100% sure that I cant live without penis. well at least once in a while... LOL...

[Ci Celli Ddu]

when men arent around every woman is a bit of a lesbian.

Aha! I just knew it! :laugh:

[YsetEternal]

Sure you did... ;)